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2012-09-03 05:00:40 PM  
Amazingly. Under oath and asked, she tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

How did this person ever get even remotely near politics? Did she wander into the wrong office while looking for the restroom?
 
2012-09-03 05:04:17 PM  
FTA: cdn.theatlantic.com
A South Carolina voter signs in during the Republican primary last January. (Reuters)

You need to buy cigs when you smoke/
 
2012-09-03 05:20:20 PM  
Pardon me while I go bazooka barf.
 
2012-09-03 05:33:11 PM  

abb3w: Amazingly. Under oath and asked, she tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

How did this person ever get even remotely near politics? Did she wander into the wrong office while looking for the restroom?


It sounds as if she's just an appointed official who had no involvement with the law at all, except for being in the wrong place at the wrong time when the people who wrote it needed somebody to turd polish in front of a federal judge.
 
2012-09-03 05:34:34 PM  
Oh, that law sounds amazing. Pardon me while I just go grab my publicly available list of Republican registered voters and compare that with the list of people who filed a provisional ballot, and then file a challenge against any name on both list. What could be wrong with that?

If you design a system in which that is possible in order to prevent voter fraud, you have REALLY failed.
 
2012-09-03 05:45:39 PM  
Disenfranchising the poor is the entire point of ALL photo ID laws. Anyone that says different is either stupid, ignorant, lying, or some combination of all three.
 
2012-09-03 06:10:36 PM  
Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes.
 

Wow.
 
2012-09-03 06:50:43 PM  

abb3w: Amazingly. Under oath and asked, she tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

How did this person ever get even remotely near politics? Did she wander into the wrong office while looking for the restroom?


I'm guessing that they are very pissed that she was given that office.
 
2012-09-03 07:01:32 PM  

Dallymo: Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes. 

Wow.


^ that. It's engineered so that you can't possibly win. Vegas should take notes off these guys.
 
2012-09-03 07:05:10 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Disenfranchising the poor is the entire point of ALL photo ID laws. Anyone that says different is either stupid, ignorant, lying, or some combination of all three.


"Voter ID, which is going to allow Gov. Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done."

Mike Turzai (R - Penn)
 
2012-09-03 07:21:29 PM  

Rincewind53: Oh, that law sounds amazing. Pardon me while I just go grab my publicly available list of Republican registered voters and compare that with the list of people who filed a provisional ballot, and then file a challenge against any name on both list. What could be wrong with that?

If you design a system in which that is possible in order to prevent voter fraud, you have REALLY failed.


meh
just challenge all of their votes.

and we thought the floriduh cluster fark of a recount was bad???
sigh
 
2012-09-03 07:26:35 PM  
can we go a step further?
why is this shiat allowed to happen so close to an election?
Why isnt ALL election law automatically blocked until all appeals are done or until AFTER the next presidential election.

so fine, you can make your changes, but they dont go into effect until after the election.

better still, why dont federal elections have federal rules? federal voter guidelines, federal ballots,
federal election officials.
FFS, make federal election all by mail/write in.
Your ballot gets mailed to you 2 months before the election.
If you dont get it by the expected day, you go to the post office and demand your ballot.
You mail your ballot to the federal counting site. Which takes place inside a safe place, say a federal bank.

why the fark are all these tards involved? on both side???
sigh
 
2012-09-03 07:30:54 PM  

namatad: on both side???


Where are you getting that piece of it? There aren't any Democratic legislatures clamoring for voter ID laws.
 
2012-09-03 07:44:23 PM  
How is it discrimination to require photo ID again?

I hate the Republicans and all they stand for, but you should have a photo ID already.
 
2012-09-03 07:45:08 PM  
Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.
 
2012-09-03 07:53:42 PM  

doglover: How is it discrimination to require photo ID again?

I hate the Republicans and all they stand for, but you should have a photo ID already.


yeah, it's been a requirement in Canada since .... well... since before I started voting. I don't get the up roar over having to show ID to vote.
 
2012-09-03 07:55:37 PM  
Get in line South Carolina. Link
 
2012-09-03 07:59:59 PM  

Dallymo: Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes. 

Wow.


If she sinks, she's a witch!
 
2012-09-03 08:01:14 PM  

WorldCitizen: Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.


White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.
 
2012-09-03 08:04:39 PM  

Lsherm: Dallymo: Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes. 

Wow.

If she sinks, she's a witch!


Got that completely wrong - if she floats, she's a witch!
 
2012-09-03 08:09:36 PM  

doglover: How is it discrimination to require photo ID again?

I hate the Republicans and all they stand for, but you should have a photo ID already.


Well, it wouldn't be a problem if everyone was issued a photo ID on their 18th birthday that would automatically be renewed every X years, instead it's a quite complicated, sometimes expensive (for the poor), and extremely inconvenient process, which Republicans attempt to make even more inconvenient with crap like this..

The extremely poor, those who live in rural areas, and the very old are most likely to vote Democratic, but also are the least able to get to a place where they can acquire photo ID, usually government offices only open on week days during normal work hours, making it significantly more difficult for people who have a full-time job every week day, with normal work hours.

Those who don't drive have no need for a driver's license, many of these laws won't allow student IDs as substitutes, and there have also been moves to close down, or reduce the hours of offices in counties that lean toward Democrats.

It may not sound unreasonable at first blush, but that's only a fraction of what's going on. Not only that, but why should one need a photo ID to vote? A) voter fraud is a bogeyman invented by Republicans to do exactly this B) WHY would anyone fake-vote? Voter turnout in America is ridiculously low, and you think those extraordinarily low numbers are inflated by the thousands do to people voting more than once? Maybe in a local election, where there are only a couple thousand total voters, but it is literally impossible to effect a national election this way.

There are more efficient ways to steal an election.
 
2012-09-03 08:11:18 PM  

doglover: WorldCitizen: Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.

White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.


How would you know? Do you ID every person you meet?

Also, your assumptions and (probably incorrect) anecdote are refuted by reality.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:05 PM  
This column is very, very poorly written, but still on target. If you believe for one farking second that the recent push to create and then 'solve' a problem is anything but posturing or an outright disgusting attempt to disenfranchise citizens - well, you're not paying attention. You don't even need to be a liberal to see this. Republicans, I demand that you act in the spirit of Freedomtm you're always barking at me.

Just this once. Try it. It might feel good to not be an asshat. Stand up to those seeking political expediency because they can't win on their own ideas. Stand for America.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-09-03 08:19:21 PM  

doglover: White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.


Poll Taxes are illegal.

To get a photo ID that can be accepted at voting booths, you need to pay.

Ergo, in order to vote, you need to pay. These laws should be illegal.
 
2012-09-03 08:20:34 PM  

Dan the Schman: doglover: How is it discrimination to require photo ID again?

I hate the Republicans and all they stand for, but you should have a photo ID already.

Well, it wouldn't be a problem if everyone was issued a photo ID on their 18th birthday that would automatically be renewed every X years, instead it's a quite complicated, sometimes expensive (for the poor), and extremely inconvenient process, which Republicans attempt to make even more inconvenient with crap like this..

The extremely poor, those who live in rural areas, and the very old are most likely to vote Democratic, but also are the least able to get to a place where they can acquire photo ID, usually government offices only open on week days during normal work hours, making it significantly more difficult for people who have a full-time job every week day, with normal work hours.

Those who don't drive have no need for a driver's license, many of these laws won't allow student IDs as substitutes, and there have also been moves to close down, or reduce the hours of offices in counties that lean toward Democrats.

It may not sound unreasonable at first blush, but that's only a fraction of what's going on. Not only that, but why should one need a photo ID to vote? A) voter fraud is a bogeyman invented by Republicans to do exactly this B) WHY would anyone fake-vote? Voter turnout in America is ridiculously low, and you think those extraordinarily low numbers are inflated by the thousands do to people voting more than once? Maybe in a local election, where there are only a couple thousand total voters, but it is literally impossible to effect a national election this way.

There are more efficient ways to steal an election.


The only way I would love this post more is if I could gay-marry it. I think the logistics of this 'issue' are lost in the rhetoric about fraud that doesn't exist. This has been demonstrated repeatedly, buy apparently the GOP cares more about a successful dirty trick than the liberty they constantly screech we don't have.

/straight, still gay-marrying your post
//can decorate a room, though
 
2012-09-03 08:20:36 PM  

Dan the Schman: doglover: WorldCitizen: Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.

White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.

How would you know? Do you ID every person you meet?

Also, your assumptions and (probably incorrect) anecdote are refuted by reality.


I know because I live abroad jackass.

All citizens here have gov't issued photo ID, even middle school kids. All foriegners need a passport to get into the country and their own gov't issued ID to stay. Even really poor people have one.

No one's being disinfrachised for want of ID. If they are, maybe they should realize you need photo ID to function in the world and go get one.
 
2012-09-03 08:22:12 PM  

MBK: doglover: White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.

Poll Taxes are illegal.

To get a photo ID that can be accepted at voting booths, you need to pay.

Ergo, in order to vote, you need to pay. These laws should be illegal.


That whole argument is ridiculous. "Well, I've never met them, so it must not exist!" I've never met a gay Hispanic Jew either, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. I've never been to India, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

That argument is for children, and particularly dumb ones at that.
 
2012-09-03 08:24:02 PM  
I got my "practice ballot" or whatever it is here in FL and they said I have to have my photo ID, so it's in place here, unless they're lying.

What if you took a bad photo? I think a better solution would be to just show the deed to whatever land you own. That would do more to prevent voter fraud. I don't see how that would stop colored people from getting their fair part of a vote. Because 3 out of 5 ain't bad.
 
2012-09-03 08:32:36 PM  

namatad: can we go a step further?
why is this shiat allowed to happen so close to an election?
Why isnt ALL election law automatically blocked until all appeals are done or until AFTER the next presidential election.

so fine, you can make your changes, but they dont go into effect until after the election.

better still, why dont federal elections have federal rules? federal voter guidelines, federal ballots,
federal election officials.
FFS, make federal election all by mail/write in.
Your ballot gets mailed to you 2 months before the election.
If you dont get it by the expected day, you go to the post office and demand your ballot.
You mail your ballot to the federal counting site. Which takes place inside a safe place, say a federal bank.

why the fark are all these tards involved? on both side???
sigh


Because States Rights.
 
2012-09-03 08:42:53 PM  

doglover: Dan the Schman: doglover: WorldCitizen: Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.

White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.

How would you know? Do you ID every person you meet?

Also, your assumptions and (probably incorrect) anecdote are refuted by reality.

I know because I live abroad jackass.

All citizens here have gov't issued photo ID, even middle school kids. All foriegners need a passport to get into the country and their own gov't issued ID to stay. Even really poor people have one.

No one's being disinfrachised for want of ID. If they are, maybe they should realize you need photo ID to function in the world and go get one.


1: despite a lot of looking, researchers have only found about ten cases of voter fraud in a DECADE that would have been stopped by Voter ID. That's ten PEOPLE, not ten elections, or races, or precincts. Ten PEOPLE.

2: Given #1 above, any Voter ID law that is likely to disenfranchise more than one voter per year is unnecessary.
 
2012-09-03 08:45:37 PM  
Law = Asinine
Macri Andino = Hero
 
2012-09-03 08:47:13 PM  
Beeney: And if I wanted to, for whatever reason I may have, I could write down the name of every African American who voted by reasonable impediment and show up on Friday and challenge every one of those if I wanted to, right?

Andino:
Yes.
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-09-03 08:49:04 PM  

doglover: I know because I live abroad jackass.

All citizens here have gov't issued photo ID, even middle school kids. All foriegners need a passport to get into the country and their own gov't issued ID to stay. Even really poor people have one.

No one's being disinfrachised for want of ID. If they are, maybe they should realize you need photo ID to function in the world and go get one.


"Japanese citizens get free photo IDs, therefore, American citizens all have photo IDs*"

*that are acceptable at voting booths
 
2012-09-03 08:52:18 PM  

Dallymo: Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes.

Wow.


Throw her in the lake. If she floats, she's a witch.
 
2012-09-03 08:58:01 PM  

abb3w: How did this person ever get even remotely near politics? Did she wander into the wrong office while looking for the restroom?


It's not her fault. She didn't pass these laws. It's just her job to enforce them. Maybe being brutally honest is her way of showing how farking horrible this shiat is.
 
2012-09-03 09:01:02 PM  

Mentat: Dallymo: Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes.

Wow.

Throw her in the lake. If she floats, she's a witch.


What also floats in water?
 
2012-09-03 09:07:10 PM  

doglover: How is it discrimination to require photo ID again?


Because it has an inordinate impact on poor and minorities, and there simply is no actual problem with voter fraud in America. Being aware of both these things (helps nothing, hurts poor and minorities), then that's pretty blatant discrimination. It's not in any way different than a poll tax.
 
2012-09-03 09:11:47 PM  

MacEnvy: namatad: on both side???

Where are you getting that piece of it? There aren't any Democratic legislatures clamoring for voter ID laws.


note, not on the voter ID side. but ballot box stuffing in chicago is an Olympic event.
then you get into the games which are played to keep people OFF of the ballot in the first place to protect incumbents. Do you know that it takes more signatures to get on the ballot in chicago for alderman or mayor, than it takes to get on the ballot for the US senate???
so yah
both sides FARK with the whole election process.

sigh
 
2012-09-03 09:12:01 PM  

doglover: WorldCitizen: Well, they used black people as an example as in, you could take down the names of all black people to then contest their votes. Perhaps the Republicans didn't think this through as someone could do the same with old, white voters. I'm sure contesting the votes of a bunch of old, white who don't have proper ID would take down the Republican vote significantly as well.

Stupid law is stupid.

White voters, even poor ones, probably have photo ID. Black ones too.

I've never met someone without photo ID.


I had no car and no photo ID until I was in my mid to late twenties. I had no use for one. And, yes, I did vote. I have voted in every election, except possibly one - not sure, since I was 18.
 
2012-09-03 09:14:09 PM  

Generation_D: Because States Rights.


yah yah
and the only reason they had the electoral college in the first place was that communications took forever. send the electors to washington and they could figure everything out.

still, the idea of states having rights over federal elections is still a bit backward and sad at this point in our history.

without free elections, we no longer live in a democracy
 
2012-09-03 09:15:53 PM  

doglover: I've never met someone without photo ID.


Are you a cop who regularly stops random people on the street and ask for their ID? Then who cares how many people you know that don't have one?
 
2012-09-03 09:19:49 PM  
Is voting turned off for everyone else also? It doesn't quite feel like FARK if I can't go through a thread clicking the smart or funny buttons where appropriate.

Also, if it's okay to ask here: Do the people who get the most smart or funny clicks get some sort of FARK bonus points, coupons for a free ice cream cone, or something?
If it's not okay to ask, please, ignore the question.
 
2012-09-03 09:25:02 PM  

Lunaville: Is voting turned off for everyone else also? It doesn't quite feel like FARK if I can't go through a thread clicking the smart or funny buttons where appropriate.

Also, if it's okay to ask here: Do the people who get the most smart or funny clicks get some sort of FARK bonus points, coupons for a free ice cream cone, or something?
If it's not okay to ask, please, ignore the question.


Voting buttons aren't visible when it's greened but not on the main page yet.
 
2012-09-03 09:31:26 PM  

Lunaville: Also, if it's okay to ask here: Do the people who get the most smart or funny clicks get some sort of FARK bonus points, coupons for a free ice cream cone, or something?
If it's not okay to ask, please, ignore the question.


I don't even know what they do.
 
2012-09-03 09:34:45 PM  

GAT_00: Lunaville: Is voting turned off for everyone else also? It doesn't quite feel like FARK if I can't go through a thread clicking the smart or funny buttons where appropriate.

Also, if it's okay to ask here: Do the people who get the most smart or funny clicks get some sort of FARK bonus points, coupons for a free ice cream cone, or something?
If it's not okay to ask, please, ignore the question.

Voting buttons aren't visible when it's greened but not on the main page yet.


Okay, thank-you.
 
2012-09-03 09:35:02 PM  

Dallymo: Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes. 

Wow.


"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.
 
2012-09-03 09:37:39 PM  

Lunaville: some sort of FARK bonus points


That would be nice. Maybe an account karma score sort of thing.
 
2012-09-03 09:41:34 PM  

nmrsnr: Dallymo: Wow:

Beeney: Ms. Andino, just to follow up a little bit on some of the Court's questions. If my reasonable impediment is I have no transportation to the county seat, I have to get to the county seat to defend that, right?

Andino: Not unless it's challenged.

Beeney: Well, if it's challenged, the only way I can defend it is to get to the county seat, which might suggest to a county commissioner that a lack of transportation reasonable impediment is false, since you're standing in front of me trying to defend your ballot.

Andino: Yes. 

Wow.

"That's some catch, that Catch-22," he observed.
"It's the best there is," Doc Daneeka agreed.


+1

This policy doesn't seem racist, not one iota.

"True terror is to wake up one morning and discover that your high school class is running the country." -- Vonnegut
 
2012-09-03 09:47:40 PM  

doglover: I know because I live abroad jackass.

All citizens here have gov't issued photo ID, even middle school kids. All foriegners need a passport to get into the country and their own gov't issued ID to stay. Even really poor people have one.


So you're comment has what bearing on US election law, exactly? In the US (as you implicitly admitted) this is not the case, so... did you have a point? If you did, I missed it.
 
2012-09-03 09:50:07 PM  
I assume that South Carolina is going to offer ID's for free now correct?

I'm sure Fark Independents can agree with me that this is a good idea
 
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