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2012-09-03 06:53:21 PM
This is why it will continue to remain that way
 
2012-09-03 06:56:27 PM
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Now with working pic
 
2012-09-03 07:00:34 PM
Windows 7 overtakes XP. The same XP disabled by Service Pack 3?
 
2012-09-03 07:06:20 PM
Back around '09, Sergey and Larry were apparently dumping LSD into the Redmond reservoirs....
 
2012-09-03 07:12:21 PM
FTFA: However, there's also good news for Apple in the August stats: the total Mac OS X user base now outstrips that of Windows Vista. Apple's combined share of the desktop market -- counting versions 10.4 and after of OS X -- Apple has a 7.11 percent share, while Windows Vista takes 6.1 percent.

The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?
 
2012-09-03 07:22:06 PM

cmunic8r99: The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?


I just did a poll of the people at this coffee shop

Mac reigns supreme :)

Do not listen to global polls

They are not an accurate sample size haha :)

- posted from my iPhone
 
2012-09-03 07:25:59 PM
As much as I thoroughly hate Apple and their Mac OS, I'll pretty much be forced to switch to an Apple the next time I buy a new computer, if everything I've heard about Windows 8 is correct. Ugh.
 
2012-09-03 07:28:06 PM

Mike_LowELL: cmunic8r99: The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?

I just did a poll of the people at this coffee shop

Mac reigns supreme :)

Do not listen to global polls

They are not an accurate sample size haha :)

- posted from my iPhone


You are long overdue to be favourited :)
 
2012-09-03 07:28:23 PM
I'm amazed at two facts from this graphic:

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1.- How incredibly good XP and 7 are that their respective decrease/increase seem like a mirror of each other. People out there are going from XP to 7 seamlessly.

2.- How much Vista sucks. Jesus, what a piece of crap. It's probably where MacOSX is growing.
 
2012-09-03 07:29:39 PM
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2012-09-03 07:30:11 PM

cmunic8r99: FTFA: However, there's also good news for Apple in the August stats: the total Mac OS X user base now outstrips that of Windows Vista. Apple's combined share of the desktop market -- counting versions 10.4 and after of OS X -- Apple has a 7.11 percent share, while Windows Vista takes 6.1 percent.

The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?


The vast majority of Windows market share is corporations. Microsoft is just getting around to giving corporations an OS to upgrade to. That doesn't mean Mac OS X or Windows will be now be dominate in the future. However the way corporations and individuals use computers is changing.
 
2012-09-03 07:30:54 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Windows 7 overtakes XP. The same XP disabled by Service Pack 3?


I'm still using XP here. Strongly thinking about upgrading to 8. If I can avoid the Metro or whatever they're now calling it. It's supposed to handle dual monitors better than XP, though XP is fine.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:48 PM

gingerjet: cmunic8r99: FTFA: However, there's also good news for Apple in the August stats: the total Mac OS X user base now outstrips that of Windows Vista. Apple's combined share of the desktop market -- counting versions 10.4 and after of OS X -- Apple has a 7.11 percent share, while Windows Vista takes 6.1 percent.

The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?

The vast majority of Windows market share is corporations. Microsoft is just getting around to giving corporations an OS to upgrade to. That doesn't mean Mac OS X or Windows will be now be dominate in the future. However the way corporations and individuals use computers is changing.


I'd assume Windows dominates the personal/home market as well. People generally choose the same OS that they are familiar with at work, and if you go into any big box retailer they will have far more Windows models on display than Macs, and they generally display what sells.
I worked for a big box retailer until a year ago, and Windows machines, desktops and laptops, outsold Macs by ten to one easily.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:52 PM

gingerjet: cmunic8r99: FTFA: However, there's also good news for Apple in the August stats: the total Mac OS X user base now outstrips that of Windows Vista. Apple's combined share of the desktop market -- counting versions 10.4 and after of OS X -- Apple has a 7.11 percent share, while Windows Vista takes 6.1 percent.

The sum market share of every version of OSX released since 2005 has beaten out what is arguably the most poorly received OS version Microsoft has put to market in (at least) the last 12 years, and this guy calls it good news for Apple?

The vast majority of Windows market share is corporations. Microsoft is just getting around to giving corporations an OS to upgrade to. That doesn't mean Mac OS X or Windows will be now be dominate in the future. However the way corporations and individuals use computers is changing.


yeah, but how many corporations actually upgraded to Vista?
 
2012-09-03 07:41:13 PM
I wish Windows 2000 still had a lot of software support and was patched to support more RAM and drives over 147GB, because I would still use that. Windows 7 is nice but isn't as stable as 2000 was.
 
2012-09-03 07:42:39 PM
i surprised apple is that low in percentage.

based on the obnoxious fanboy user base, you'd think they had 90% of the market!
 
2012-09-03 07:43:26 PM

sure haven't: You are long overdue to be favourited :)


Hahahah you should see him in action in the politics tab. It's awesome.

rocky_howard: People out there are going from XP to 7 seamlessly.


I had my old computer for almost 7 years and it ran xp. My new one runs 7 and I really like how 7 works. It's like everything good from XP with graphics updates. From what I've read about 8 it's just something I really don't ever want.
 
2012-09-03 07:47:00 PM
Windows 8 is supposed to be a great tablet OS. Well, we have a nice touch-screen HDTV in our team room, so we put Windows 8 on it. Not a tablet, but still a touchscreen interface.

Wow. It's a pile of trash. We initially used Win7, and the touch interfaces on Win7 were pretty bad. They're not any better on Win8, but Win8 adds the confusion of metro vs. desktop applications. Metro IE is... not good. What IE is, though? Metro Mail is awful. The upshot: unlike Vista, it actually works.
 
2012-09-03 07:53:41 PM
I only use the Linux operating system on a computer I built by hand from 100% recycled materials. I use it mainly for looking at porn.
 
2012-09-03 08:00:41 PM
I use it mainly for looking at porn.

go on
 
2012-09-03 08:03:26 PM

DubyaHater: I use it mainly for looking at porn.

Well obviously, what else could you use a computer for?
 
2012-09-03 08:03:56 PM
Well, some Linux users on Slashdot were arguing Android phones should be listed for Linux, as they use the Linux kernel.

Though by that argument you could count all iPhones, iPads, and iPod Touches under Mac OS X, as they all use the OS X kernel and libraries. But if you did that Apple's numbers would be much, much higher.
 
2012-09-03 08:04:25 PM

t3knomanser: Windows 8 is supposed to be a great tablet OS. Well, we have a nice touch-screen HDTV in our team room, so we put Windows 8 on it. Not a tablet, but still a touchscreen interface.

Wow. It's a pile of trash. We initially used Win7, and the touch interfaces on Win7 were pretty bad. They're not any better on Win8, but Win8 adds the confusion of metro vs. desktop applications. Metro IE is... not good. What IE is, though? Metro Mail is awful. The upshot: unlike Vista, it actually works.


And that's saying something. Who thought "Giant full screen mail app with as little UI as possible and TONS of negative space!" was a good idea.?

I haven't tested it in the RTM release, but one upside is it had basic Exchange Active Sync support. But I'd rather pay the premium for Office than use it.
 
2012-09-03 08:06:42 PM

OriginalGamer: Well, some Linux users on Slashdot were arguing Android phones should be listed for Linux, as they use the Linux kernel.


Whoops, found your problem. I'm surprised they didn't want to count all linux mobiles devices as a beowolf cluster and call it the greatest super computer in the world.
 
2012-09-03 08:07:01 PM

OriginalGamer: Well, some Linux users on Slashdot were arguing Android phones should be listed for Linux, as they use the Linux kernel.

Though by that argument you could count all iPhones, iPads, and iPod Touches under Mac OS X, as they all use the OS X kernel and libraries. But if you did that Apple's numbers would be much, much higher.


By that argument, Apple's unix based kernel could be considered a non-free Linux and all non-GUI devices running linux could also be counted.
 
2012-09-03 08:07:24 PM

HotWingAgenda: As much as I thoroughly hate Apple and their Mac OS, I'll pretty much be forced to switch to an Apple the next time I buy a new computer, if everything I've heard about Windows 8 is correct. Ugh.


You haven't heard of Linux?
 
2012-09-03 08:09:24 PM

Devo37: i surprised apple is that low in percentage.

based on the obnoxious fanboy user base, you'd think they had 90% of the market!


Their inferiority complexes lead them to seek attention, so while there aren't a whole lot of them, they ARE very loud.
 
2012-09-03 08:10:00 PM

skinink: I wish Windows 2000 still had a lot of software support and was patched to support more RAM and drives over 147GB, because I would still use that. Windows 7 is nice but isn't as stable as 2000 was.


Out of curiosity, what are you doing on Windows 7 that ever makes it "unstable"? Other than hardware failures, I haven't seen a Win7 machine crash or blue screen in years. If not for Windows Update, you can go months without rebooting a Win7 machine.
 
2012-09-03 08:10:17 PM
The average density of population in the Universe is zero. So if you see somebody using a Mac, they are a figment of your imagination.

Cut back on the booze and drugs, kid. If you keep up at this rate, you'll start seeing the DTs* as drawn by Theodor Geisel, aka Dr. Seuss, during his years as a commercial artist.

Henery! Get the Flit!

*DTs: Delerium tremens, the hallicinatory phase of advance alcoholism, i.e, seeing pink elephants that ask you to support the Log Cabin Republican campaign for gay marriage and then burst into a technicolor explosion of paper snakes.
 
2012-09-03 08:12:00 PM

doglover: OriginalGamer: Well, some Linux users on Slashdot were arguing Android phones should be listed for Linux, as they use the Linux kernel.

Though by that argument you could count all iPhones, iPads, and iPod Touches under Mac OS X, as they all use the OS X kernel and libraries. But if you did that Apple's numbers would be much, much higher.

By that argument, Apple's unix based kernel could be considered a non-free Linux and all non-GUI devices running linux could also be counted.


Unix does not equal "non-free Linux"
 
2012-09-03 08:12:16 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Windows 7 overtakes XP. The same XP disabled by Service Pack 3?


Im not quite sure what you are saying here. XP continues to work with or without service pack 3, you just cant get updates anymore without it. Is that your definition of disabled? Just get service pack 3.
 
2012-09-03 08:12:23 PM

DubyaHater: I only use the Linux operating system on a computer I built by hand from 100% recycled materials. I use it mainly for looking at porn.


You can use a computer for looking at porn?

Why am I never informed of these things!?

By the way, what is this 'porn'?
 
2012-09-03 08:12:39 PM

Devo37: i surprised apple is that low in percentage.

based on the obnoxious fanboy user base, you'd think they had 90% of the market!


Yet in this thread the only people talking about it are the people that seemingly don't use it. Huh.
 
2012-09-03 08:14:27 PM

A Terrible Human: I had my old computer for almost 7 years and it ran xp. My new one runs 7 and I really like how 7 works. It's like everything good from XP with graphics updates. From what I've read about 8 it's just something I really don't ever want.


As an admitted MS fanboy/empoyee, I alwys find this reaction interesting. What have you read about Win8 that leads you to that conclusion? You're aware that there's a classic/desktop mode that's just a faster/smoother version of Win7, right? The UI is essentially identical, minus the start menu (the metro UI is essentially a big start menu). I suspect that most desktop users will run in classic mode nearly all of the time, and for them W8 will be much like W7.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:07 PM

I_Am_Weasel: DubyaHater: I only use the Linux operating system on a computer I built by hand from 100% recycled materials. I use it mainly for looking at porn.

You can use a computer for looking at porn?

Why am I never informed of these things!?

By the way, what is this 'porn'?


When you turn on your computer you will see words and things that aren't words. The part that isn't words should be porn.
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2012-09-03 08:18:17 PM
Windows 7 now dominant operating system... just in time to be abandoned for Windows 8. Someone at Microsoft seems to place a higher priority on a release schedule and product delivery than they do actual market share.

And here's what I still haven't figured out after Vista and Windows 7. What has changed so much about hardware in the last five years that XP is no longer an acceptable operating system? I like Windows 7 well enough, but outside of a few security features, I haven't figured out what it can run that XP can't for 90% of computer users. Nor do I see the slightest reason to upgrade any of my home machines to Windows 8.

Because People in power are Stupid: Windows 7 overtakes XP. The same XP disabled by Service Pack 3?


...what specifically in SP3 disabled XP? I'm still running XP SP3 on over a hundred computers at work, and haven't had a single problem related to the OS.
 
2012-09-03 08:19:59 PM

oren0: skinink: I wish Windows 2000 still had a lot of software support and was patched to support more RAM and drives over 147GB, because I would still use that. Windows 7 is nice but isn't as stable as 2000 was.

Out of curiosity, what are you doing on Windows 7 that ever makes it "unstable"? Other than hardware failures, I haven't seen a Win7 machine crash or blue screen in years. If not for Windows Update, you can go months without rebooting a Win7 machine.


I run XP and only reboot my PC four or five times a year. It usually runs 24/7.
 
2012-09-03 08:21:48 PM

Robots are Strong: I_Am_Weasel: DubyaHater: I only use the Linux operating system on a computer I built by hand from 100% recycled materials. I use it mainly for looking at porn.

You can use a computer for looking at porn?

Why am I never informed of these things!?

By the way, what is this 'porn'?

When you turn on your computer you will see words and things that aren't words. The part that isn't words should be porn.
[2media.nowpublic.net image 500x330]


If you took all the porn off the internet there'd only be one website left, and I'd would be called bringbacktheporn.com.
 
2012-09-03 08:22:12 PM

skinink: I wish Windows 2000 still had a lot of software support and was patched to support more RAM and drives over 147GB, because I would still use that. Windows 7 is nice but isn't as stable as 2000 was.


Wat?

The main cause of BSODs were drivers. The fact that 64bit drivers need to be tested and signed is what makes win7 much more stable than any other version of windows.
 
2012-09-03 08:23:28 PM

oren0: skinink: I wish Windows 2000 still had a lot of software support and was patched to support more RAM and drives over 147GB, because I would still use that. Windows 7 is nice but isn't as stable as 2000 was.

Out of curiosity, what are you doing on Windows 7 that ever makes it "unstable"? Other than hardware failures, I haven't seen a Win7 machine crash or blue screen in years. If not for Windows Update, you can go months without rebooting a Win7 machine.


Exactly I can't remember what I did or what happened to make unstable, though I know Flash in Chrome causes problems on my machine.

And please don't do the UberGeek thing, "Well I don't understand why XYZ happens to you because it never happens on my machine". Not everyone has the same setup and some people's computers run smoothly, some people's have issues. I'm not saying W7 is bug-riddled, but it's not perfect either or else there would be Windows Updates.
 
2012-09-03 08:24:51 PM

oren0: As an admitted MS fanboy/empoyee, I alwys find this reaction interesting. What have you read about Win8 that leads you to that conclusion? You're aware that there's a classic/desktop mode that's just a faster/smoother version of Win7, right? The UI is essentially identical, minus the start menu (the metro UI is essentially a big start menu). I suspect that most desktop users will run in classic mode nearly all of the time, and for them W8 will be much like W7.


So why, especially in an economy where every dollar counts, is it worth spending the money on an upgrade from 7 to 8 on a basic desktop or laptop? I can't see the logic in "Windows 7 is smooth, stable, integrates with every piece of hardware I own, and accomplishes every task I give it. So I need to buy that Windows 8 upgrade the day it's available." Isn't it a a bit like replacing your model-year-2011 car's engine after 30,000 miles just because the 2013 engine might offer another 5 horsepower?
 
2012-09-03 08:27:28 PM
My office's very last XP box was decommed this week. End of yet another era.

Today's tip... we had a handful of machines that were on the edge of okay (for Word and browsing), but couldn't be bumped past 2G of RAM for a reasonable price. Turns out that the 'Readyboost' feature (pushing your swapfile accesses to a cheap USB 2.0 pen drive instead of primary hard drive) that was an utter joke in Vista is actually usable in 7.
 
2012-09-03 08:27:49 PM

Flint Ironstag: I run XP and only reboot my PC four or five times a year. It usually runs 24/7.


Even for all the flack that Vista gets, you can run it for a long time without rebooting. As a proof-of-concept, I installed Vista on my work computer and ran it 24/7 for 100 days without a crash or reboot.

In my opinion, what doomed Vista were basically three things:

1) People trying to upgrade from XP to Vista -- upgrades rarely work well; a clean install is always preferable. Vista was especially poor at this. A clean install of Vista is significantly more stable than one that was upgraded.

2) Poor driver support. One of the reasons people like Windows 7 so much is that most of the manufacturers finally got around to fixing their drivers. Nothing will crash a computer faster than a wonky hardware driver.

3) Manufacturers selling underpowered systems loaded up with crapware. A clean Vista install on a 4GB system runs smooth. Vista on a 1GB computer filled to the brim with Lenovo or Sony or HP or Dell crapware -- not so much.

That said, I never reboot my Windows 7 computer. It's been bugging me for weeks to reboot after some updates got installed, but I haven't yet bothered. Too much stuff runs in the background that I don't feel like interrupting (like my media server, for example).
 
2012-09-03 08:30:06 PM

skinink: And please don't do the UberGeek thing, "Well I don't understand why XYZ happens to you because it never happens on my machine". Not everyone has the same setup and some people's computers run smoothly, some people's have issues. I'm not saying W7 is bug-riddled, but it's not perfect either or else there would be Windows Updates.


Are you really saying that? Really?

Do you know Mac computers also get "Mac Updates" to their OS? OSX is not perfect either.
 
2012-09-03 08:33:04 PM

Lawnchair: My office's very last XP box was decommed this week. End of yet another era.

Today's tip... we had a handful of machines that were on the edge of okay (for Word and browsing), but couldn't be bumped past 2G of RAM for a reasonable price. Turns out that the 'Readyboost' feature (pushing your swapfile accesses to a cheap USB 2.0 pen drive instead of primary hard drive) that was an utter joke in Vista is actually usable in 7.


Huh... I'll have to play around with that.

If those old machines were just being used for Office and web, did you consider swapping their HDDs for a small-size SSD? I tried that on a few of mine when I noticed my people were only using a fraction of their hard drives anyway. It was a more noticeable performance difference than any RAM upgrade I've done.
 
2012-09-03 08:34:16 PM
With all of the moaning about Vista, have any of you used it lately? I found a stripped computer case that still had the Vista COA. I decided to give it a try. I loaded it onto a back up machine (AMD dual core, two gigs of DDR2) did all of the updates - and it ran fine. I had no issues with it at all, and ended up giving the computer to my cousin. The machine I'd given her before had XP, and XP has less than two years of support left. I'm not ready to trade 7 for Vista, but I think most of the bad rap comes from before all of the service packs and updates that are now out.
 
2012-09-03 08:36:56 PM
I've used XP, Vista, and 7 (and the ones before of course, but those aren't on the graph). I would probably rank them as 7 > XP > Vista. I've never had problems when I used Vista, which was after SP1 fixed the major issues, but I never liked the fact that Vista was a resource hog even with shiat disabled.

XP was great for it's time and I've probably spent more time on XP than any OS to date; however, maybe it's just because I used less powerful computers back then/there's more powerful computers now, but my overall experiences with 7 have been better than XP.

I also have OS X 10.6, which I am posting on now. I have been using this mac for just over a year now, on and off and when I don't feel like going upstairs to use my PC. I really don't understand the allure of macs... less programs available, same hardware, and twice as much just so you can have a glowing apple. I've heard that a same hardware mac performs better than a same hardware PC, but I'll take the slight hit in performance for programs I actually want to use and access to every computer-based game.
 
2012-09-03 08:38:57 PM

Repo Man: With all of the moaning about Vista, have any of you used it lately? I found a stripped computer case that still had the Vista COA. I decided to give it a try. I loaded it onto a back up machine (AMD dual core, two gigs of DDR2) did all of the updates - and it ran fine. I had no issues with it at all, and ended up giving the computer to my cousin. The machine I'd given her before had XP, and XP has less than two years of support left. I'm not ready to trade 7 for Vista, but I think most of the bad rap comes from before all of the service packs and updates that are now out.


It's not that Vista is awful, with its current service packs. It's that, on the exact same hardware (the basic specs of machine you're talking about), 7 really does run more responsively and manages memory better than Vista. I've got a enterprise license at work and have tried them side by side on the same machine.
 
2012-09-03 08:47:26 PM
WHATEVER OS I USE IS CLEARLY SUPERIOR TO YOURS. I BASE THIS MOSTLY ON CHEAP CLAIMS AND NOT LOGIC.
 
2012-09-03 08:48:29 PM

A Terrible Human:

I had my old computer for almost 7 years and it ran xp. My new one runs 7 and I really like how 7 works. It's like everything good from XP with graphics updates.


That's pretty much it. Windows 7 was a rousing success. I think the only one thing I fecking hate is the small network sharing stuff.
 
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