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(Reuters)   Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face." Yay allies   (reuters.com) divider line 125
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2012-09-03 05:31:11 PM
7 votes:
4.bp.blogspot.com
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?
2012-09-03 11:13:13 AM
7 votes:
I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.
2012-09-03 03:12:31 PM
6 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


Yes, because it really is that simple.
2012-09-03 03:07:22 PM
6 votes:
So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.
2012-09-03 05:30:19 PM
4 votes:
They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?
2012-09-03 03:15:34 PM
4 votes:

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.
2012-09-03 11:48:21 AM
4 votes:

Shostie: Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?


I prefer white phosphorus. That way you don't miss them at night
2012-09-03 06:23:00 PM
3 votes:

Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.


Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.
2012-09-03 06:19:09 PM
3 votes:
Screw Israel. All they do is get us deeper in debt and even more hated by arabs. Cut their billions in foreign aid and they'll start playing nice. Or nicer, at least.
2012-09-03 06:18:51 PM
3 votes:

jmr61: I think there are maybe 7 to 12 people in the country outside NYC and DC that really give two shiats about Israel and the middle east. I'm certainly not one of them.


And yet we all pay $$$ to keep their dirty war going perpetually. Obama's the first American president who hasn't given Israel a blank check. It is no wonder the Right in America and the pro-israeli lobby wants him gone.
2012-09-03 05:51:52 PM
3 votes:

olddinosaur: The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible,


Except for the tiny detail of taking more and more Palestinian land and insisting on everything from day one being done on their terms.
2012-09-03 05:32:46 PM
3 votes:
I love when Israel acts like its oppressors of old.

Classy.
2012-09-03 05:23:32 PM
3 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?

The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.


Dat's
Extremely
Realistic and
Perceptive.
2012-09-03 12:51:20 PM
3 votes:
Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?
2012-09-03 11:19:57 AM
3 votes:

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


Well, those are the only options, so...
2012-09-03 08:20:23 PM
2 votes:

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

I would assume Hamas since that's who the Gazans voted for...

Wrong?


No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?

Also, you're assuming that all this just got going and they're at the front end of being able to stave off problems. Instead, this is the crap-end of a long and ugly process. If Hamas had had the ability to put down terrorists at the outset--and the means and resources to do it--that would be one thing. But remember, the US and Israel didn't acknowledge Hamas as the legitimate government. Hamas had no power to request foreign aid or IMF loans to help them get started. If Hamas had arrested their dissident elements, they would have had no place to put them (except in Israeli prisons) or try them (except in Israeli courts), which the residents of Gaza would not have accepted. And of course, they won't accept it now.

Someone used the analogy of the US being in a shooting war with Mexico, because of the Crips firing rockets at Juarez; we could use our police and military to stop the Crips and end the war. A better analogy would be if the City of Escondido was in such a war, and had to stop the Crips all on their own, without being able to summon the National Guard or the Marines--or even the San Diego County Sheriff's department. AND if the rest of America was constantly giving the Mayor of Escondido shiat for not stopping the war. It would not work out any better for the City of Escondido than it is for Gaza now.
2012-09-03 07:47:22 PM
2 votes:

olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.


You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or "the Injuns" then we get this kind of reaction. Just as there were many many tribes of Native Americans, and the majority of Catholics were not in the IRA, most Palestinians would be just as happy to cooperate with the Israeli government. But the government insists on first assuming that ALL Palestinians are somehow involved in fighting against them, and therefore ANY breach of a cease-fire means that every single person in the neighborhood deserves to be treated like killers.

The same thing happened during the Troubles in Ireland, when the British Army used any killing by the IRA as an excuse to roll through Catholic neighborhoods with APCs and soldiers laden with battle gear; and it happened in America when the government figured that all Injuns were the same big tribe and so a massacre by the Apaches was a good reason to wipe out the Cheyenne. All this thinking and reaction does is ensure that people who would otherwise be willing to sit down and discuss things WILL join the insurgency and WILL start shooting back at the government.

So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.

People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change.
2012-09-03 06:19:07 PM
2 votes:

jack21221: I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.


Yeah, maybe all the people here making jokes about how Palestinians smell might want to consider how much of their water is stolen by the Israelis.
2012-09-03 06:13:11 PM
2 votes:
Jews still want to milk that holocaust for all it's worth with a straight face huh ?

When you act just like the nazis you look like an asshole whining about what the nazis did to you.
2012-09-03 05:48:41 PM
2 votes:
OgreMagi
Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone.

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Why do I have to keep posting this


doglover
poor innocent terrorists

Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.
2012-09-03 05:48:28 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.



In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.
2012-09-03 05:46:04 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.


Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't support Iran. I, an American, support the US not being involved in someone else's holy struggle.
2012-09-03 05:38:50 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

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Or maybe not.


Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....
2012-09-03 05:36:59 PM
2 votes:
Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.
2012-09-03 05:36:06 PM
2 votes:

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


I guess Israel started taking notes from Nazi Germany.
2012-09-03 05:28:59 PM
2 votes:
I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.
2012-09-03 05:27:31 PM
2 votes:
Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.
2012-09-03 05:24:38 PM
2 votes:
Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant. The more unpleasant the better, because that makes them more deterring.
2012-09-03 05:23:04 PM
2 votes:

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Basically because early Islam was fighting some dudes and Mohammed told the Jews in a town "come fight for me or else" and the Jews weren't willing to basically endorse Islam by fighting on their side. Mohammed got pissed that the Jews wouldn't take orders, and that's when Islam vs Judaism happened.

The arrogance of Mohammed makes modern douchebags look well adjusted.
2012-09-03 05:15:08 PM
2 votes:
Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.
2012-09-03 05:06:31 PM
2 votes:
i.telegraph.co.uk

"Okay, that's it. Now neither of you get to own the land. How do you feel now?"
2012-09-03 04:25:46 PM
2 votes:

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.


LOL. Score one for Party Boy.
2012-09-03 04:25:05 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: It is none of your business.


Gotcha.
2012-09-03 04:02:37 PM
2 votes:

Party Boy: doyner: YOU brought up the Indians

He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque. Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.


I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.

There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.
2012-09-03 04:02:26 PM
2 votes:

Party Boy: Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman


I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.
2012-09-03 03:59:28 PM
2 votes:

doyner: YOU brought up the Indians


He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque.
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
2012-09-03 03:28:36 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.

My point is that none of this will ever be resolved unless both sides admit that no one is innocent....and then it probably still won't. We'll just keep kicking this can down the road until an actual genocide occurs and then the winner will be "right" because God will have made them the victor.
2012-09-03 03:19:48 PM
2 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Well that justifies the original occupation then. I stand corrected.

And what of the non-violent means of protest?
2012-09-03 02:54:54 PM
2 votes:
"The Palestinians are revolting!"

"You said it, they stink on ice."
2012-09-03 12:14:51 PM
2 votes:
Well, they're going to attack Palestinians no matter what, so at least this is nonlethal.
2012-09-03 11:44:14 AM
2 votes:
Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?
2012-09-05 01:44:07 PM
1 votes:

RanDomino: Palestinians are just violent because it's their nature, right? No other reason at all?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Pal e stinian_incitement
"...the official Palestinian Authority Mufti in Jerusalem publicly read out an Islamic hadith that says killing Jews will speed up the redemption..."
"Following the Itamar massacre and a bombing in Jerusalem, 27 US senators sent a letter requesting the US Secretary of State to identify the administration's steps to end Palestinian incitement to violence against Jews and Israel that was occurring within the "Palestinian media, mosques and schools, and even by individuals or institutions affiliated with the Palestinian Authority.""
(Oh, and itamar?- "The Itamar attack,... was an attack on a Jewish family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds....
Amjad Awad and Hakim Awad, two young Palestinian men from the village of Awarta, were arrested for the murders. ...they initially denied any involvement in the attack but later proudly confessed to the killings, expressed no remorse and reenacted the attack before security officials.")
"Media watchdog, Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), reported in June 2012 that the Palestinian media continually demonizes Israel and Jews and derogates Jewish history. They stated that the Palestinian children are being taught hatred and violence against Jews and Israelis and that only 7 percent of Palestinian teenagers accept Israel's right to exist."
"Children in a Gaza kindergarten were dressed up in uniforms of the armed wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad organisation. They received a toy rifles and chanted anti-Israeli slogans."
"a children's magazine sponsored by the Palestinian Authority that commended Hitler's killing of Jews"

...so, yeah.
2012-09-04 03:08:13 PM
1 votes:
why is there an "israel"?

again.
2012-09-04 11:16:34 AM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: StreetlightInTheGhetto: It's easy to do, of course. Especially when you can easily get supplies and money in and out of your territory.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip/yeah , I know html//but you're too lazy to Google, so I'm too lazy to type a href

Sure. From your same link, some how, mysteriously, Israel allows Hamas to have a police force. No one knows why Hamas police can't stop rocket attacks from the parking lots of apartment buildings or hospitals.

Poor Hamas! Leave Hamas alone!


Even most Palestinians think Hamas is evil. And yet, they prefer them to the people WE bankroll over there. Think about that for a minute. 

Now think about how popular 'our guy' Kharzai is in Afghanistan...
2012-09-04 08:45:53 AM
1 votes:
I get it, you romanticize palestine and don't like jews.

Welcome to the U.N.
2012-09-04 01:37:22 AM
1 votes:
Lots of anti-colonial Americans on Fark, living the good life in America. I guess you should find a country that never colonized anywhere so you can stay above the dirty fray.
2012-09-04 12:32:53 AM
1 votes:

St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?


I think they respect Israel's mission to maintain a safe homeland from frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Semites like you.
2012-09-04 12:31:57 AM
1 votes:
As an impressionable child in 1972, I remember the Olympics in Munich. From that point on, screw 'em. Israelis are industriou and prosperous, and oh yeah - civilized. If the tables were turned, the Palestinians would be full of bloodlust. Stinky goo - deal with it or become peaceful neighbors.
2012-09-03 11:06:16 PM
1 votes:

mrexcess: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here.

Agreed. It is completely irrational to view the act of occupation and forcible colonization as anything but the primary aggressive action.


Honestly Israel is a failed experiment, it was a bad ideq and the UN should just step in and terminate the experiment
2012-09-03 09:35:21 PM
1 votes:

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Given the number of rockets the Palestinians have sprayed the Israeli population with, I'd think the Israelis would be entirely justified in using far more lethal means in retaliation.



They do.

All the time.

Check the body counts.

Poor Israelis. Such underdogs, already.
2012-09-03 09:28:48 PM
1 votes:
Given the number of rockets the Palestinians have sprayed the Israeli population with, I'd think the Israelis would be entirely justified in using far more lethal means in retaliation.
2012-09-03 08:50:20 PM
1 votes:
I knew this would happen. I tried to warn people. I knew the moment I found out Snookie was pregnant that someone would weaponize the placenta.
2012-09-03 08:36:51 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?


Yes they do. They had the kind of resources to kill Fatah rivals.

As far as "free of ties to the insurgents" you can't elect a party of terrorists insurgents and then complain when it is has insurgents as members.

Gyrfalcon: If Hamas had arrested their dissident elements, they would have had no place to put them (except in Israeli prisons) or try them (except in Israeli courts), which the residents of Gaza would not have accepted. And of course, they won't accept it now.


No. Gaza has jails, courts, etc.
2012-09-03 08:31:32 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?

I dunno, at some level Hamas has to shiat or get off the pot. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and Hamas has had plenty of time to build jails, gain informants, create civil authorities and police forces.

It appears to me, maybe ignorantly, that Hamas aids the rocket attackers, and doesn't try to stop it.


Time. But no money. No assistance from outside. Nobody helping them out. Hell, Iraq couldn't put together a working country with all the money and advisers America was pouring into it; how do you think Hamas was going to do it alone and broke? And trying to do all the other things a sub-country has to do, like build infrastructure, provide schools and housing, keep food and power flowing...without any help? We wouldn't even acknowledge they were democratically elected; how can we now turn around and say "Why aren't you acting like a government!?"

And again, as I said, maybe they could have done this in, say, 1950. Expecting it to work now is probably insane. Seven years is nothing with 50 years of turmoil and violence behind them.
2012-09-03 08:31:12 PM
1 votes:
Jesus H. Chrysler, why not just spray them with liquified pig mixed with alcohol?
2012-09-03 08:26:28 PM
1 votes:
What group of people anywhere on the planet routinely shoot rocks at soldiers with slingshots and don't die? Only Israel's enemies -- and they are enemies. For them not to be enemies, Palestinians wouldn't send their children to do this.

It's time Israel behaved a bit like Assad and used only live rounds. The Islamist threat knows nothing that stops their hatred of non-Muslims except the butt of a gun.
2012-09-03 08:19:23 PM
1 votes:
The Palestinians deserve it 40,000%
2012-09-03 07:52:50 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.

You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or ...


If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.
2012-09-03 07:47:55 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.

You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?


Doesn't have to be nukes. A shiat-ton of carpet bombs would work too. Or lasers. Whatever, so long as both populations are wiped.
2012-09-03 07:34:51 PM
1 votes:
oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.
2012-09-03 07:31:53 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.

So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?


History shows Israel to be the aggressor. I think you're content to keep missing the point: that not everyone was happy with the rosy arrangement of carving Israel out into a country.

The reason why there's so much violence there is because of the West's insistence on pounding a square peg into a round hole, so to speak.
2012-09-03 07:20:54 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!


Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.
2012-09-03 07:09:41 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?


I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.
2012-09-03 06:47:43 PM
1 votes:
With friends like Netanyahu, who needs enemas?
2012-09-03 06:41:46 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


The gaddam Germans got nuttin to do wit it!
2012-09-03 06:33:56 PM
1 votes:
Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?
2012-09-03 06:32:03 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

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Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....

I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.


We'll never know as long as the US keeps propping up Israel's government.
2012-09-03 06:27:41 PM
1 votes:

SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.


And my point has been that it is not OUR FARKING CONQUEST.
2012-09-03 06:23:04 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Right, I got that you are an "American". However, by not standing by our middle-eastern ally supports Iran in the same way that I am "supporting" Israel.

Do you get it?


So if an ally does something wrong we're supposed to stand by them no matter what, huh?
2012-09-03 06:22:28 PM
1 votes:

conjecture and hearsay: Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?


Not as long as we fund one side, $ 3 billion or so a year. And the other side gets propped up with money we spend for petroleum to Saudi Arabia.
2012-09-03 06:19:04 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.
2012-09-03 06:14:21 PM
1 votes:

Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

There is no arguing with the zealot.


Which is why no one is arguing with you.
2012-09-03 06:12:57 PM
1 votes:
It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!
2012-09-03 06:07:46 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 620x132]

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

I already answered this dufus.


You replied with "It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?" as a 'clarification' to "Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives."

You *weren't* asking for a solution to the specific problem being argued; you were clearly trying to point to "Well you guys did bad thing X" as a diversionary tactic. Just own up that you committed the fallacy; is it that damaging to your ego?

/christ, i've been guilty of using tu quoque a bunch of times
//we're all guilty of using the tactic every now and then
///but when called on it, damn, admit it
//btw you forgot the comma before dufus, so...
/*cough*
2012-09-03 06:05:57 PM
1 votes:

RanDomino: Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.



There's a number of unguided rockets you can launch at civilian targets before you're the terrorists: 0.

Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

QED.
2012-09-03 06:00:10 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.

In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!


You haven't made a cogent point all thread.
2012-09-03 05:56:18 PM
1 votes:

machodonkeywrestler: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.


This is not about who stole land from whom! This is about making sure Armageddon starts as soon as possible. Why don't you want to go to Heaven and let the Jews start their process of perfecting themselves so they can go to Heaven, too?
2012-09-03 05:54:54 PM
1 votes:
Someone lefter than me: Palestinian-sided comment


Israel-sided comment.
2012-09-03 05:54:26 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.
2012-09-03 05:52:36 PM
1 votes:

RanDomino: Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.


Felgraf: Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.

Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.


This all started because they all think they're God's special chosen people and that that's the Promised Land given from God to his most special people. Other factors came in later, but the starter was "God said we're the best and this is ours, so beat it!".
2012-09-03 05:47:54 PM
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "LOL the Jews are just like the Nazis, get it!"


Netanyahu's own nephew has called Israel an apartheid state.
2012-09-03 05:45:03 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


Hey, be careful. This is FARK.COM. We don't need you facting up the place with logic and reason. You're supposed to hate Israel because zomg they use non-lethal weapons on poor innocent terrorists, the bastards.
2012-09-03 05:44:47 PM
1 votes:

Scrotastic Method: Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Stop making sense. You are going to ruin everything.  ;-)
2012-09-03 05:41:15 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Or maybe not.


Geee, kids throwing rocks at tanks are exactly like kids kicking an old woman.

Both sides are BAD!
2012-09-03 05:39:55 PM
1 votes:

nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are You must be in power.

2012-09-03 05:37:34 PM
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.


Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.
2012-09-03 05:37:12 PM
1 votes:
Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?
2012-09-03 05:37:01 PM
1 votes:
art.penny-arcade.com

/should be oblig, but one of their more obscure ones.
2012-09-03 05:36:51 PM
1 votes:

jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?


You are so right.

writeforgod.stblogs.com

Or maybe not.
2012-09-03 05:36:40 PM
1 votes:

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


This.

Subby's an idjit.
2012-09-03 05:32:04 PM
1 votes:

gimmegimme: KeelingLovesCornholes: The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?

As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.

Both sides are bad, so vote Atahualpa?


Everyone gets to be bad until we've all been equally bad to everyone, and then we can talk about behaving a little better.

Once everyone has committed a genocide, for instance, then we can talk about not doing genocides anymore.
2012-09-03 05:30:41 PM
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)

I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.

There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.


My question then becomes: Why aren't we using it?

Here's the MSDS. Link Apparently it is also a skin/eye irritant and possible gastric irritant as well, if swallowed.
2012-09-03 05:28:00 PM
1 votes:
I used to be an Israel fan, but I think I'm just gonna stick to baseball from now on.

/go A's
2012-09-03 05:27:06 PM
1 votes:
I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.
2012-09-03 05:25:20 PM
1 votes:
And when you put your hand, in a pile of goo, that used to be your friend. Well, you'll know what to do.
2012-09-03 05:24:14 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)


I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.


There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.
2012-09-03 05:22:21 PM
1 votes:

St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?


The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.
2012-09-03 05:20:16 PM
1 votes:
What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?
2012-09-03 05:20:08 PM
1 votes:
So the Israelis continue herding people into ghettos, confiscating their property and marking them. Sounds familiar.
2012-09-03 05:17:19 PM
1 votes:

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


What, and ruin all of these years of frustration?

/it's not religion
//it's stupid people thinking they're being religious
2012-09-03 05:16:37 PM
1 votes:
"Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face.""

So they are improving the smell of Palestinians.
2012-09-03 05:14:08 PM
1 votes:
I guess if the people throwing rocks complain about the goo, they can accomodate them with bullets.
2012-09-03 05:12:35 PM
1 votes:
Setting aside the twisted politics of the entire situation this does seem a rather effective dispersal and deterrent tool. Things that REALLY break up groups of people and motivate them to avoid further confrontation without risking actual injury are tough to come by.
2012-09-03 05:12:06 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?
2012-09-03 05:08:39 PM
1 votes:
I guess people who post on message boards are stupid too.
2012-09-03 04:44:30 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: perceived bias


*snort*
2012-09-03 04:42:39 PM
1 votes:
So, it makes the Palestinians smell better then?
2012-09-03 04:39:16 PM
1 votes:
i48.tinypic.com

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|
2012-09-03 04:37:41 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.

"Our" thinking?

That is a fallacy at best. Stupid at worst, and most likely nationalistic.


Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent is nationalistic? That just sounds prudent.
2012-09-03 04:29:52 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.
2012-09-03 04:29:41 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.


You bring the American Indian, I bring Hitler. it's the Chicago way.
2012-09-03 04:28:36 PM
1 votes:
I also noticed that with this Pro-Palestinian lot -that the personal attacks fly a little bit sooner than even the most heated left-wing/right-wing discussions. (And I should know).
2012-09-03 04:26:22 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.


As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.
2012-09-03 04:24:41 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


Classy.
2012-09-03 04:24:01 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.


Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.
2012-09-03 04:21:04 PM
1 votes:

Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.


It is none of your business.
2012-09-03 04:19:27 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?


Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.
2012-09-03 04:18:22 PM
1 votes:
Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Are you a US citizen?

Straight up yes or no question.
2012-09-03 04:11:47 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.


To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.
2012-09-03 03:56:11 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


You do realize that disagreeing with one side does not necessarily mean agreement with the other, right? My point is that multiple religious claims on a given piece of land can only mean that it will be soaked in blood until one side becomes virtually extinct from that place. This is no endorsement. It is my display of disgust with claims based on the idea that god told your ancestors a given area was "yours."

And you're conflating the whole "god" and native American thing. YOU brought up the Indians, not me. And genocide does not mean complete extermination. IF it did, why are there still Jews?

My proposal is that we don't PICK SIDES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S FRARKING HOLY MANDATE!

What's yours? I can only guess.
2012-09-03 03:54:48 PM
1 votes:

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman, [1] I picture a person sublimely satisfied with using a rhetorical fallacy as a diversionary tactic that does nothing to answer the original point. 

The sharply bizarre thing, is how many times I've seen this Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman argument.
2012-09-03 03:49:19 PM
1 votes:

doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?
2012-09-03 03:25:01 PM
1 votes:
Just wait until they find out that "goo" is former Palestinians.
2012-09-03 03:02:02 PM
1 votes:
Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.
2012-09-03 11:30:08 AM
1 votes:
Well, how else are the going to learn?
 
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