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(Reuters)   Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face." Yay allies   (reuters.com) divider line 451
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2012-09-03 11:13:13 AM  
I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.
 
2012-09-03 11:19:57 AM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


Well, those are the only options, so...
 
2012-09-03 11:30:08 AM  
Well, how else are the going to learn?
 
2012-09-03 11:44:14 AM  
Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?
 
2012-09-03 11:48:21 AM  

Shostie: Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?


I prefer white phosphorus. That way you don't miss them at night
 
2012-09-03 11:50:04 AM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


From this goo - the new plague will arise.
 
2012-09-03 12:14:51 PM  
Well, they're going to attack Palestinians no matter what, so at least this is nonlethal.
 
2012-09-03 12:51:20 PM  
Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?
 
2012-09-03 02:04:25 PM  
Palestinian superpowers in 3, 2....
 
2012-09-03 02:54:54 PM  
"The Palestinians are revolting!"

"You said it, they stink on ice."
 
2012-09-03 03:02:02 PM  
Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:15 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 03:07:22 PM  
So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.
 
2012-09-03 03:12:31 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


Yes, because it really is that simple.
 
2012-09-03 03:15:34 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.
 
2012-09-03 03:17:52 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


*pokes at matzohs* OMG PU

I thought these were unleavened?!
 
2012-09-03 03:19:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Well that justifies the original occupation then. I stand corrected.

And what of the non-violent means of protest?
 
2012-09-03 03:23:33 PM  

St_Francis_P: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.


Once you soak a Muslim Palestinian, it becomes halal sh*t.
 
2012-09-03 03:24:13 PM  

doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?


Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)
 
2012-09-03 03:25:01 PM  
Just wait until they find out that "goo" is former Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 03:28:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.

My point is that none of this will ever be resolved unless both sides admit that no one is innocent....and then it probably still won't. We'll just keep kicking this can down the road until an actual genocide occurs and then the winner will be "right" because God will have made them the victor.
 
2012-09-03 03:49:19 PM  

doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?
 
2012-09-03 03:54:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman, [1] I picture a person sublimely satisfied with using a rhetorical fallacy as a diversionary tactic that does nothing to answer the original point. 

The sharply bizarre thing, is how many times I've seen this Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman argument.
 
2012-09-03 03:56:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


You do realize that disagreeing with one side does not necessarily mean agreement with the other, right? My point is that multiple religious claims on a given piece of land can only mean that it will be soaked in blood until one side becomes virtually extinct from that place. This is no endorsement. It is my display of disgust with claims based on the idea that god told your ancestors a given area was "yours."

And you're conflating the whole "god" and native American thing. YOU brought up the Indians, not me. And genocide does not mean complete extermination. IF it did, why are there still Jews?

My proposal is that we don't PICK SIDES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S FRARKING HOLY MANDATE!

What's yours? I can only guess.
 
2012-09-03 03:57:14 PM  
The other part of it is the us/them cleavage, where the person (from profile Eric\Location: UMass) sees them as Americans. Does this person's passport reflect that?
 
2012-09-03 03:59:28 PM  

doyner: YOU brought up the Indians


He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque.
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
 
2012-09-03 04:02:26 PM  

Party Boy: Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman


I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.
 
2012-09-03 04:02:37 PM  

Party Boy: doyner: YOU brought up the Indians

He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque. Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.


I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.

There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.
 
2012-09-03 04:04:35 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?


It is to internalize that Israel's problem is OUR problem. I don't recall the US getting a lot of help with the "Indian Problem."
 
2012-09-03 04:04:50 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.


Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?
 
2012-09-03 04:06:27 PM  

doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.


RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.
 
2012-09-03 04:07:40 PM  

Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?


I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.
 
2012-09-03 04:09:06 PM  

doyner: I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.


I'm not saying you defended.

doyner: There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.


Yep.

The analog is supremely farked. The minute the Israelis point to disease that killed up to 95% of the population that people werent aware they were carrying in a virgin field epidemic [1] , let me know. its designed to threadshiat.
 
2012-09-03 04:09:23 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.


So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.
 
2012-09-03 04:10:08 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid: I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Are you a US citizen?
 
2012-09-03 04:10:56 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.




SPLITTERS
 
2012-09-03 04:11:03 PM  
font tags cut off the italics tags.
 
2012-09-03 04:11:47 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.


To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.
 
2012-09-03 04:12:47 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.


What would you propose as a more final solution?
 
2012-09-03 04:18:22 PM  
Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Are you a US citizen?

Straight up yes or no question.
 
2012-09-03 04:19:27 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?


Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.
 
2012-09-03 04:21:04 PM  

Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.


It is none of your business.
 
2012-09-03 04:24:01 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.


Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.
 
2012-09-03 04:24:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


Classy.
 
2012-09-03 04:25:05 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It is none of your business.


Gotcha.
 
2012-09-03 04:25:46 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.


LOL. Score one for Party Boy.
 
2012-09-03 04:26:22 PM  

doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.


As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.
 
2012-09-03 04:26:57 PM  

St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.


It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.
 
2012-09-03 04:28:36 PM  
I also noticed that with this Pro-Palestinian lot -that the personal attacks fly a little bit sooner than even the most heated left-wing/right-wing discussions. (And I should know).
 
2012-09-03 04:29:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.


You bring the American Indian, I bring Hitler. it's the Chicago way.
 
2012-09-03 04:29:52 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.
 
2012-09-03 04:30:00 PM  
Talk about lack of balance.
 
2012-09-03 04:35:20 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.


"Our" thinking?

That is a fallacy at best. Stupid at worst, and most likely nationalistic.
 
2012-09-03 04:37:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.

"Our" thinking?

That is a fallacy at best. Stupid at worst, and most likely nationalistic.


Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent is nationalistic? That just sounds prudent.
 
2012-09-03 04:39:16 PM  
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^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|
 
2012-09-03 04:40:31 PM  

St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent


Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.
 
2012-09-03 04:42:05 PM  

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^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|


I already answered this dufus.

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.

 
2012-09-03 04:42:39 PM  
So, it makes the Palestinians smell better then?
 
2012-09-03 04:44:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: perceived bias


*snort*
 
2012-09-03 04:44:42 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


So, it's basically a food product?
 
2012-09-03 04:45:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.


...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.
 
2012-09-03 04:52:21 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.


And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.
 
2012-09-03 04:55:05 PM  
Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.
 
2012-09-03 05:01:17 PM  

Generation_D: Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.


Yeah, and all Palestinians view all Israelis as legitimate land owners.
 
2012-09-03 05:05:22 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


this this and ONLY THIS
Every single nation on the planet exists today on the land of previous nations.

So the idea that Israel has less of a claim to its land is completely and totally false.
Even if we ignore sovereignty claims and just focus on property rights.
Have all the muslim countries decided to give the land, buildings and property that they stole back to the jews? All the jews who were living in iran, iraq, morocco (I am sure that the list includes every muslim country).

These countries kicked the jews out and stole the property.
WHY arent they giving that back? They are concerned about fairness right??

no?? fark EVERYONE
sucks, but you are not getting your shiat back. ever.

/funny how the same people who think the jews should leave israel, refuse to leave america.
 
2012-09-03 05:06:31 PM  
i.telegraph.co.uk

"Okay, that's it. Now neither of you get to own the land. How do you feel now?"
 
2012-09-03 05:07:37 PM  
Come on in folks, to the dumbest Israeli thread to date!
 
2012-09-03 05:08:37 PM  
So they're improving the odor of your average Palestinian? Why the outrage?
 
2012-09-03 05:08:39 PM  
I guess people who post on message boards are stupid too.
 
2012-09-03 05:08:54 PM  
So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.
 
2012-09-03 05:09:59 PM  

gadian: So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.


An armband, perhaps?
 
2012-09-03 05:11:10 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gadian: So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.

An armband, perhaps?


Maybe some sort of headwear.
 
2012-09-03 05:12:06 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?
 
2012-09-03 05:12:06 PM  
So? How is that going to be worse than Moslems already smell?
 
2012-09-03 05:12:35 PM  
Setting aside the twisted politics of the entire situation this does seem a rather effective dispersal and deterrent tool. Things that REALLY break up groups of people and motivate them to avoid further confrontation without risking actual injury are tough to come by.
 
2012-09-03 05:13:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


You don't say much my friend, but when you do it's to the point, and I salute you for it.
 
2012-09-03 05:14:08 PM  
I guess if the people throwing rocks complain about the goo, they can accomodate them with bullets.
 
2012-09-03 05:15:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?


Putting stinky water on rioters who represent a faction that is shooting homemade rockets at a foreign country? That's not bad, that's forgivable.
 
2012-09-03 05:15:08 PM  
Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.
 
2012-09-03 05:16:37 PM  
"Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face.""

So they are improving the smell of Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 05:17:16 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Because Yahweh.
 
2012-09-03 05:17:19 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


What, and ruin all of these years of frustration?

/it's not religion
//it's stupid people thinking they're being religious
 
2012-09-03 05:17:31 PM  

Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)
Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman, [1] I picture a person sublimely satisfied with using a rhetorical fallacy as a diversionary tactic that does nothing to answer the original point. 

The sharply bizarre thing, is how many times I've seen this Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman argument.


While at a strict propositional logic level To Quoque is a fallacy, in a discussion and dialogue it is not necessarily a fallacy and can be very enlightening.

It can help:

Point out hypocrisy and agendas
Help everyone understand a current problem in terms of other, well known problems
Raise historical questions that participants may be ignorant about
Broaden a discussion and so broaden a possible solution space
Help each side understand the nuances involved and that neither side is strictly good or strictly bad
Raise other possible historical solutions to what seems to be an intractable problem
 
2012-09-03 05:17:45 PM  

serial_crusher: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

So, it's basically a food product?


cache.gawkerassets.com

//Grrr...you beat me to it.
 
2012-09-03 05:18:10 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Gyrfalcon: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?

Putting stinky water on rioters who represent a faction that is shooting homemade rockets at a foreign country? That's not bad, that's forgivable.


So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.

You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)
 
2012-09-03 05:18:38 PM  
I think there are maybe 7 to 12 people in the country outside NYC and DC that really give two shiats about Israel and the middle east. I'm certainly not one of them.
 
2012-09-03 05:20:08 PM  
So the Israelis continue herding people into ghettos, confiscating their property and marking them. Sounds familiar.
 
2012-09-03 05:20:16 PM  
What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?
 
2012-09-03 05:20:36 PM  
I get it, I get it. Israeli's aren't all racist - just the ones that signed up to Fark. Gotcha!
 
2012-09-03 05:20:55 PM  
For the army, skunk, and a less-used, focused noise beam called "scream", are proof of defense minister's Ehud Barak's claim that Israel's is "the most moral army in the world", pioneering non-lethal weapons.


files.abovetopsecret.com
 
2012-09-03 05:21:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: shutting down a demonstration,

A riot yes.

The UC OWS protesters do not make homemade explosives attach them to rockets and shoot them at Mexico. The day that happens is the day that I approve of putting some stinky water on them too.
 
2012-09-03 05:22:21 PM  

St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?


The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.
 
2012-09-03 05:23:04 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Basically because early Islam was fighting some dudes and Mohammed told the Jews in a town "come fight for me or else" and the Jews weren't willing to basically endorse Islam by fighting on their side. Mohammed got pissed that the Jews wouldn't take orders, and that's when Islam vs Judaism happened.

The arrogance of Mohammed makes modern douchebags look well adjusted.
 
2012-09-03 05:23:32 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?

The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.


Dat's
Extremely
Realistic and
Perceptive.
 
2012-09-03 05:24:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)


I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.


There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.
 
2012-09-03 05:24:38 PM  
Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant. The more unpleasant the better, because that makes them more deterring.
 
2012-09-03 05:25:20 PM  
And when you put your hand, in a pile of goo, that used to be your friend. Well, you'll know what to do.
 
2012-09-03 05:25:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?


As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.
 
2012-09-03 05:26:28 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?

As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.


Both sides are bad, so vote Atahualpa?
 
2012-09-03 05:27:06 PM  
I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.
 
2012-09-03 05:27:16 PM  
Is this intended to improve their smell?
 
2012-09-03 05:27:31 PM  
Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.
 
2012-09-03 05:28:00 PM  
I used to be an Israel fan, but I think I'm just gonna stick to baseball from now on.

/go A's
 
2012-09-03 05:28:59 PM  
I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.
 
2012-09-03 05:29:13 PM  
Maybe it's soylent green.

Besides, waiting on tats to give us the Jewish slurve ball explanation for this shats and giggles.
 
2012-09-03 05:30:19 PM  
They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?
 
2012-09-03 05:30:37 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.


Yep.
 
2012-09-03 05:30:41 PM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)

I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.

There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.


My question then becomes: Why aren't we using it?

Here's the MSDS. Link Apparently it is also a skin/eye irritant and possible gastric irritant as well, if swallowed.
 
2012-09-03 05:31:11 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?
 
2012-09-03 05:31:55 PM  
The best defense is a good offense. Every other country in the region wants genocide on Israel. I can't completely agree with everything they do, but this plan stinks.
 
2012-09-03 05:32:04 PM  

gimmegimme: KeelingLovesCornholes: The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?

As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.

Both sides are bad, so vote Atahualpa?


Everyone gets to be bad until we've all been equally bad to everyone, and then we can talk about behaving a little better.

Once everyone has committed a genocide, for instance, then we can talk about not doing genocides anymore.
 
2012-09-03 05:32:27 PM  
How 'bout a preemptive strike with goo?
 
2012-09-03 05:32:46 PM  
I love when Israel acts like its oppressors of old.

Classy.
 
2012-09-03 05:33:41 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.


The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.
 
2012-09-03 05:33:55 PM  

serial_crusher: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

So, it's basically a food product?


Perhaps, but not a kosher one. Contains yeast.
 
2012-09-03 05:34:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: My question then becomes: Why aren't we using it?


Don't give them any ideas....

And the lobbyists from General Dynamics / Lockheed / ... pay out military and Congress not to use Israeli anti-crowd measures that would deprive General Dynamics / Lockheed / ... of military industrial complex dollars.

Here's the MSDS. Link Apparently it is also a skin/eye irritant and possible gastric irritant as well, if swallowed.

Probably. I am not a doctor, but to me it still seems safer than the microwave devices. I find it incredible those things could be safe.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:06 PM  

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


I guess Israel started taking notes from Nazi Germany.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:40 PM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


This.

Subby's an idjit.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:51 PM  

jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?


You are so right.

writeforgod.stblogs.com

Or maybe not.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:59 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:59 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant.


A sleep ray:

www.dovetailbat.com 

Probably still unpleasant.
 
2012-09-03 05:37:01 PM  
art.penny-arcade.com

/should be oblig, but one of their more obscure ones.
 
2012-09-03 05:37:12 PM  
Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?
 
2012-09-03 05:37:34 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.


Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.
 
2012-09-03 05:38:10 PM  
Right or wrong we can at least agree that the Palestinians are smelly group right?
 
2012-09-03 05:38:50 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.


Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....
 
2012-09-03 05:39:20 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Are must be in power.
 
2012-09-03 05:39:55 PM  

nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are You must be in power.

 
2012-09-03 05:40:42 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


Pretty much this.

Israel: Hey, stop shooting at us!
Palestinians: No! We want our own land.
Israel: Ok, fine. Here you go.
Palestinians: Ha, Ha! Suckers!
Israel: Hey, stop shooting at us!

Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 05:41:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Or maybe not.


Geee, kids throwing rocks at tanks are exactly like kids kicking an old woman.

Both sides are BAD!
 
2012-09-03 05:41:22 PM  
Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

Throwing stones solves nothing, but what's the point of these assholes seizing wells from Palestinian villages?

Oh right, ethnic cleansing.
 
2012-09-03 05:42:32 PM  
so basically israel is flinging their hummus at protesters?

worst hummus on the planet.
 
2012-09-03 05:42:32 PM  
s17.postimage.org
 
2012-09-03 05:43:01 PM  

CygnusDarius: RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?

I guess Israel started taking notes from Nazi Germany.


This really is the height of Israeli criticism, isn't it?

"LOL the Jews are just like the Nazis, get it!"

Awesome
 
2012-09-03 05:43:08 PM  

Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....


I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:54 PM  

nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are must be in power.


Retard.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:57 PM  
WizardofToast
The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.

bears bears bears bears bears bears bears bears bears
 
2012-09-03 05:44:41 PM  

jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: Or maybe not.

Geee, kids throwing rocks at tanks are exactly like kids kicking an old woman.

!


No, throwing rocks at armed soldiers.
 
2012-09-03 05:44:47 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Stop making sense. You are going to ruin everything.  ;-)
 
2012-09-03 05:45:03 PM  

OgreMagi: Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


Hey, be careful. This is FARK.COM. We don't need you facting up the place with logic and reason. You're supposed to hate Israel because zomg they use non-lethal weapons on poor innocent terrorists, the bastards.
 
2012-09-03 05:45:46 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
This really is the height of Israeli criticism, isn't it?

Ignore the criticism based in reality, claim the insanely idiotic one is the sum of the other side's arguments. Thanks.
 
2012-09-03 05:46:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.


Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't support Iran. I, an American, support the US not being involved in someone else's holy struggle.
 
2012-09-03 05:47:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "LOL the Jews are just like the Nazis, get it!"


Netanyahu's own nephew has called Israel an apartheid state.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:28 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.



In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:41 PM  
OgreMagi
Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone.

upload.wikimedia.org
Why do I have to keep posting this


doglover
poor innocent terrorists

Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.
 
2012-09-03 05:49:09 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't support Iran. I, an American, support the US not being involved in someone else's holy struggle.


Right, I got that you are an "American". However, by not standing by our middle-eastern ally supports Iran in the same way that I am "supporting" Israel.

Do you get it?
 
2012-09-03 05:49:27 PM  
You would think that the IDF would realize that by discouraging picketing by the Palestinians they are in effecting encouraging flat out sabotage and terrorism by the Palestinians.
/shortsighted nationalists say what
 
2012-09-03 05:50:26 PM  

OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.
 
2012-09-03 05:50:43 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.


In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!
 
2012-09-03 05:50:45 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: You would think that the IDF would realize that by discouraging picketing by the Palestinians they are in effecting encouraging flat out sabotage and terrorism by the Palestinians.


Pretty much this. Granted if Rabin hadn't been assassinated we likely aren't having this issue now.
 
2012-09-03 05:51:52 PM  

olddinosaur: The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible,


Except for the tiny detail of taking more and more Palestinian land and insisting on everything from day one being done on their terms.
 
2012-09-03 05:52:36 PM  

RanDomino: Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.


Felgraf: Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.

Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.


This all started because they all think they're God's special chosen people and that that's the Promised Land given from God to his most special people. Other factors came in later, but the starter was "God said we're the best and this is ours, so beat it!".
 
2012-09-03 05:54:26 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.
 
2012-09-03 05:54:54 PM  
Someone lefter than me: Palestinian-sided comment


Israel-sided comment.
 
2012-09-03 05:56:18 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.


This is not about who stole land from whom! This is about making sure Armageddon starts as soon as possible. Why don't you want to go to Heaven and let the Jews start their process of perfecting themselves so they can go to Heaven, too?
 
2012-09-03 05:57:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: This all started because they all think they're God's special chosen people and that that's the Promised Land given from God to his most special people. Other factors came in later, but the starter was "God said we're the best and this is ours, so beat it!".


That's not how Jews interpret "chosen people" but I realize you're on a roll, tell us more about the Germans at Pearl.
 
2012-09-03 05:57:37 PM  

One Bad Apple: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.



SPLITTERS


You win the thread.
 
2012-09-03 05:58:07 PM  

stonelotus: so basically israel is flinging their hummus at protesters?

worst hummus on the planet.


Wait...you mean Sabra? Now those are fighting words!
 
2012-09-03 06:00:10 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.

In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!


You haven't made a cogent point all thread.
 
2012-09-03 06:01:49 PM  
I bet they smell better now.
 
2012-09-03 06:02:45 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.


RTFA

The protest is about the Spring and not about dwellings.
 
2012-09-03 06:05:11 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Because People in power are Stupid: Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.

In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!

You haven't made a cogent point all thread.


Because you are reading this from Iran and the state sponsored filtering software has removed all legible words other than "Death to Israel"?
 
2012-09-03 06:05:57 PM  

RanDomino: Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.



There's a number of unguided rockets you can launch at civilian targets before you're the terrorists: 0.

Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

QED.
 
2012-09-03 06:06:15 PM  

OgreMagi: Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


Why are people so keen on the Palestinians having a country? You know, they're not exactly a sympathetic lot. I'll set aside the suicide bombing... how's LGBT rights in Palestine? How's religious freedom? How do they act with regards to political protest? Freedom of the press? Freedom of association? Freedom of property ownership (death if you sell land to Jews)? Freedom of religion? How does the government act with regards to honor killings?
 
2012-09-03 06:06:20 PM  
Oh for fark's sake, they aren't Palestinians! They're Arabs!

/Nazsim! Amidoinitrite?
 
2012-09-03 06:06:32 PM  

WizardofToast: Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.

The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.


I have long suspected this ... it's the case in our local equivalent of Northern Ireland, where 90% of the populace would cheerfully string up every active member of both the PIRA and the UVF without a tear. The settlers and the stone throwing youths are like the Orange and Republican marchers.

The difference is that government forces here are controlled by reasonable, cooperating adults in Dublin and London rather than the childish sociopathic jingoists that hold sway in Israel and Palestine. The jingoistic cheering from the sidelines by the uninvolved (Tehran and Brooklyn) is similarly unhelpful.
 
2012-09-03 06:07:46 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 620x132]

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

I already answered this dufus.


You replied with "It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?" as a 'clarification' to "Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives."

You *weren't* asking for a solution to the specific problem being argued; you were clearly trying to point to "Well you guys did bad thing X" as a diversionary tactic. Just own up that you committed the fallacy; is it that damaging to your ego?

/christ, i've been guilty of using tu quoque a bunch of times
//we're all guilty of using the tactic every now and then
///but when called on it, damn, admit it
//btw you forgot the comma before dufus, so...
/*cough*
 
2012-09-03 06:11:53 PM  
"shiat"

Palestinians call it simply "shiat."



hahahahah
 
2012-09-03 06:12:18 PM  
Have we proved Iran is providing the rocks?
 
2012-09-03 06:12:57 PM  
It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!
 
2012-09-03 06:13:11 PM  
Jews still want to milk that holocaust for all it's worth with a straight face huh ?

When you act just like the nazis you look like an asshole whining about what the nazis did to you.
 
2012-09-03 06:13:33 PM  

gameshowhost: Because People in power are Stupid: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 620x132]

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

I already answered this dufus.

You replied with "It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?" as a 'clarification' to "Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives."

You *weren't* asking for a solution to the specific problem being argued; you were clearly trying to point to "Well you guys did bad thing X" as a diversionary tactic. Just own up that you committed the fallacy; is it that damaging to your ego?

/christ, i've been guilty of using tu quoque a bunch of times
//we're all guilty of using the tactic every now and then
///but when called on it, damn, admit it
//btw you forgot the comma before dufus, so...
/*cough*


You omitted the part where I admit that it's a Tu Quoque fallacy:

Because People in power are Stupid: But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.



So you are committing the fallacy of Cherry Picking. Why don't you just admit it?
 
2012-09-03 06:13:40 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.


There is no arguing with the zealot.
 
2012-09-03 06:13:58 PM  
images.pictureshunt.com


"Sacre bleu! Zis is not what my fragrant scent is meant for,monsieurs!"
 
2012-09-03 06:14:21 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

There is no arguing with the zealot.


Which is why no one is arguing with you.
 
2012-09-03 06:16:07 PM  
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2012-09-03 06:17:22 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You omitted the part where I admit that it's a Tu Quoque fallacy:


My bad, then. Dufus maloofus.
 
2012-09-03 06:18:51 PM  

jmr61: I think there are maybe 7 to 12 people in the country outside NYC and DC that really give two shiats about Israel and the middle east. I'm certainly not one of them.


And yet we all pay $$$ to keep their dirty war going perpetually. Obama's the first American president who hasn't given Israel a blank check. It is no wonder the Right in America and the pro-israeli lobby wants him gone.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:04 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:07 PM  

jack21221: I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.


Yeah, maybe all the people here making jokes about how Palestinians smell might want to consider how much of their water is stolen by the Israelis.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:09 PM  
Screw Israel. All they do is get us deeper in debt and even more hated by arabs. Cut their billions in foreign aid and they'll start playing nice. Or nicer, at least.
 
2012-09-03 06:22:28 PM  

conjecture and hearsay: Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?


Not as long as we fund one side, $ 3 billion or so a year. And the other side gets propped up with money we spend for petroleum to Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-09-03 06:23:00 PM  

Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.


Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.
 
2012-09-03 06:23:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Right, I got that you are an "American". However, by not standing by our middle-eastern ally supports Iran in the same way that I am "supporting" Israel.

Do you get it?


So if an ally does something wrong we're supposed to stand by them no matter what, huh?
 
2012-09-03 06:23:11 PM  
Two questions.

1. Does it come with matzoh balls?

2. If so, are they floaters or sinkers? This is important.
 
2012-09-03 06:25:31 PM  
Hmm, wonder if they've tried tomatoes.
 
2012-09-03 06:26:50 PM  
Now say something smart about finally having peace in our time. Neville Chamberlain would have made a fine Farker.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:40 PM  

doglover: RanDomino: Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.


There's a number of unguided rockets you can launch at civilian targets before you're the terrorists: 0.

Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

QED.


Because ALL palestinians are dirty dirty terrorists, right?

Jingoism. Its not just for Colonial Europe any more.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:41 PM  

SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.


And my point has been that it is not OUR FARKING CONQUEST.
 
2012-09-03 06:29:23 PM  
If God didn't want Palestinians to smell bad, he wouldn't have given them Jewish neighbors.

Stupid libs.
 
2012-09-03 06:29:54 PM  

doyner: So if an ally does something wrong we're supposed to stand by them no matter what, huh?


In this case of using non-lethal force to subdue an opponent that would see them dead, I do. I don't expect that you would. However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)
 
2012-09-03 06:30:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are must be in power.

Retard.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-03 06:32:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....

I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.


We'll never know as long as the US keeps propping up Israel's government.
 
2012-09-03 06:33:56 PM  
Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?
 
2012-09-03 06:36:39 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?


Well... They did torture and murder Jesus to death...
 
2012-09-03 06:37:14 PM  

Aigoo: The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest.


I don't agree with this statement. I think it's deliberately set up to be trite, and to make supporters of Israel look trite.

I support Israel as an existing Parliamentary Republic and that is all. The attempted conquest (and resulting defeat) by Arab Nationals is not a reason that Israel should exist but rather a consequence of her existence.
 
2012-09-03 06:37:53 PM  

MemeSlave:


You win the thread.


If only the warring factions would just leave now this would be a nice quiet place to build a ..lifeless desert.
 
2012-09-03 06:39:14 PM  

Generation_D: Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....

I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.

We'll never know as long as the US keeps propping up Israel's government.


Besides, cities, countries, and nations have formed, risen, collapsed and changed since we first started making them. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.

/even Old New York was once New Amsterdam
//why they changed it, I can't say
 
2012-09-03 06:41:01 PM  
Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face."

probably derived from Matzo
 
2012-09-03 06:41:31 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ed Finnerty: Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?

Well... They did torture and murder Jesus to death...


Oh, right. What's stigmata with me?
 
2012-09-03 06:41:46 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


The gaddam Germans got nuttin to do wit it!
 
2012-09-03 06:44:34 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)


What this is I don't even...
 
2012-09-03 06:46:21 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: /even Old New York was once New Amsterdam
//why they changed it, I can't say


I always liked Ana Ng.
 
2012-09-03 06:47:43 PM  
In other words, making them smell better?

/ducks
 
2012-09-03 06:47:43 PM  
With friends like Netanyahu, who needs enemas?
 
2012-09-03 06:49:03 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)

What this is I don't even...


This whole line of discussion comes from:

Party Boy: Are you a US citizen?



Common, I have a secret agenda. Hell, I'm probably Mossad, even.
 
2012-09-03 06:49:22 PM  

SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.


Why do people fight wars? Basically, it's over money; we know that. But what generates money? Land, people, and power.

Sure, they fight them over religion, but that goes straight back to power and money and we all know it.

If you want to be a farktard and imply that basic statement regarding conquest is about the maturity of the human race, then by all means, show your continued lack of understanding regarding the basic nature of who and what humanity is. There certainly are more noble traits to humanity: we have strength, compassion, we do not yield and rarely break, we have courage and passion and conviction...that list goes on, but we also have base qualities at our core such as obsessions with power and money, arrogance, the will and desire to dominate those around us... and those have been around since the first man (whether you believe that to be Adam or an upright monkey).

You may think your self immune - we all would certainly like to. You may think yourself evolved and a good example of what humanity's future should be... and that, too, is arrogance. When one man has fought long and hard for something, and finally won it at the cost of his own blood, who the hell are you to tell him that the good and righteous thing to do is to give it back to another man who took it from his fathers by force in the first place and now continues to try to once again take it by force from the man who won it back at such great cost to himself?

If my great grandfather stole your great grandfather's place of business, and you succeeded in getting that business back from me after generations of your family fought generations of my family to get it restored to you, would it be right or proper if the Hague stepped in, not knowing the true history, but only reading a biased news article written by my children, and declared it unjust that you had stolen the business from me and demanded that you give back to my family what you had stolen from us (even though that wasn't the case at all and forcing you to return it was a grave injustice to you and your family)?

That is a simplified version of what is being demanded of Israel here. The "evolved" good man who wants peace and safety on earth and the advancement of the human race champions the violent thinking it will bring peace, not realizing that you cannot create a better, more peaceful world by giving in to tyranny. I wish you the best of luck in trying, though, and pray to God your vision doesn't succeed, or that if it does, God has mercy on me and lets me die before I have to live in such a world.
 
2012-09-03 06:55:46 PM  

Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?


For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.
 
2012-09-03 06:58:26 PM  
This substance is probably derived from the armpits of the dread-locked 20-something Israeli traveler.
 
2012-09-03 07:04:21 PM  
I wish I were Jewish so I could join the IDF.
 
2012-09-03 07:05:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.


Bullsh*t.
 
2012-09-03 07:08:24 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.


What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?
 
2012-09-03 07:09:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?


I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.
 
2012-09-03 07:11:42 PM  

farkeruk: How's religious freedom?


There are sizable Christian and Jewish communities in the West Bank, that's Palestinian Christian and Jewish communities. Indeed interfaith marriage has been common among Palestinians for centuries.
 
2012-09-03 07:13:17 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.
 
2012-09-03 07:14:02 PM  

RanDomino:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x579]
Why do I have to keep posting this



What happens June through October, vacation?
 
2012-09-03 07:14:45 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


You mean where Israel won?
 
2012-09-03 07:15:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.


B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-03 07:16:20 PM  

ronaprhys: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.

You mean where Israel won?


If you mean by inheriting even more problems domestic and foreign, they certain "won" something.
 
2012-09-03 07:18:12 PM  
seems to me they need some new rock ownership laws
 
2012-09-03 07:20:21 PM  

whidbey: I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


I also guess the fact that Egypt was amassing troops on its borders doesn't really count as an act of war. I suppose Israel is supposed to let them get completely prepared before counter-striking.
 
2012-09-03 07:20:54 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!


Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:02 PM  
In numerous instances, an internet thread will devolve into a back and forth conflict between two or more posters. Many fine examples in this thread. I have coined the term to cover this phenomenon as either a "farqument" (far-giu-ment) or "farkument (fark-u-ment)." Not sure which one (or neither) sounds better.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:23 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.

I also guess the fact that Egypt was amassing troops on its borders doesn't really count as an act of war. I suppose Israel is supposed to let them get completely prepared before counter-striking.


There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:28 PM  
cache.gawker.com 

Have some fun.
 
2012-09-03 07:24:14 PM  

jack21221: I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.


It's a bleak winter for cooperation in the middle east with the fall of this latest effort... uh... something summer something something.
 
2012-09-03 07:28:29 PM  

whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.


So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?
 
2012-09-03 07:28:41 PM  
"Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers."

About that...STOP IT, then you won't piss people off!
 
2012-09-03 07:29:45 PM  
You people are idiots.

Regardless of context it is disgusting that humans are doing this to each other. Jew, Muslim, Israeli, Palestinian, who gives a fark, they're ALL acting like primitives.
 
2012-09-03 07:30:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:
I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.


In case you didn't know that the word hipster has no meaning...
 
2012-09-03 07:31:37 PM  
Ugly.

AND smelly.
 
2012-09-03 07:31:53 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.

So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?


History shows Israel to be the aggressor. I think you're content to keep missing the point: that not everyone was happy with the rosy arrangement of carving Israel out into a country.

The reason why there's so much violence there is because of the West's insistence on pounding a square peg into a round hole, so to speak.
 
2012-09-03 07:32:11 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.

B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324]


Thanks to Bush they don't matter now as we are stealing our oil from somewhere else....
 
2012-09-03 07:32:38 PM  

PunGent: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.


Isn't the line that a friend helps you move but a good friend helps you move a body? I think you've got it wrong.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:16 PM  
Frank Zappa did it.

/don't care if that was noted already
 
2012-09-03 07:34:20 PM  
Defriend.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:41 PM  
PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:51 PM  
oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.
 
2012-09-03 07:35:10 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.


Agreed.
 
2012-09-03 07:36:06 PM  

fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.


So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?
 
2012-09-03 07:36:56 PM  
Hmmm. A thread where the Total Farkers support the religious nut jobs.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:01 PM  

Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?


And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:16 PM  

Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?


They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?
 
2012-09-03 07:38:33 PM  
olddinosaur
I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.

Every single offer was insulting at the time.


doglover
Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

All of them, yeah? Did they all get together at a meeting and unanimously decide on it? Even the children, huh?


farkeruk
Why are people so keen on the Palestinians having a country? You know, they're not exactly a sympathetic lot. I'll set aside the suicide bombing... how's LGBT rights in Palestine? How's religious freedom? How do they act with regards to political protest? Freedom of the press? Freedom of association? Freedom of property ownership (death if you sell land to Jews)? Freedom of religion? How does the government act with regards to honor killings?

Right, right, there's just something inherently bad about Palestinians. Would you say it's genetic?


Kriggerel
It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

You are dumb and you should feel bad.


KarmicDisaster
What happens June through October, vacation?

They declared a truce. Hamas held up their end by essentially stopping the rockets. Israel was supposed to ease up on the blockade of Gaza; they didn't.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:47 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Hmmm. A thread where the Total Farkers support the religious nut jobs.


Pffft.

'Twas an unwary gift?

Heh.

;)
 
2012-09-03 07:39:52 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.


mushon.com

If anyone wondered, no I don't have any intention of talking about Israel and Palestine.
 
2012-09-03 07:40:20 PM  

whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?


I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:04 PM  
Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:29 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Indubitably: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.

[mushon.com image 512x240]

If anyone wondered, no I don't have any intention of talking about Israel and Palestine.


Duly noted.

Words.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:38 PM  

Indubitably: whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?

I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.


Well, if we don't have someone we can hate on like that, what do we do?
 
2012-09-03 07:42:15 PM  
The international community does not recognize Israel's occupation of the West Bank.
Israel does not recognize its own occupation of the West Bank--because if it did, it would have to grant citizenship to the Palestinians there.
Israel allows the settlement of the West Bank in violation of international law.

If Israel wants to keep the West Bank, then unilaterally annex it and deal with the consequences of a binational Israel. Otherwise, dismantle the settlements and withdraw. They can't have it both ways, which is what they are doing now.

The West Bank is sobering--as is Sderot.
 
2012-09-03 07:42:48 PM  

fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.


Have you been to parts of San Diego lately?? We apparently would do nothing. Well we would apologize then give them free food, housing, jobs and medical. When they complain and shiat bomb us some more by throwing dirty diapers out the window we will give them free scholarships to UCLA.
 
2012-09-03 07:42:57 PM  

whidbey: Indubitably: whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?

I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.

Well, if we don't have someone we can hate on like that, what do we do?


Hate fat?
 
2012-09-03 07:43:01 PM  

robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.


You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?
 
2012-09-03 07:44:05 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.

So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?

History shows Israel to be the aggressor. I think you're content to keep missing the point: that not everyone was happy with the rosy arrangement of carving Israel out into a country.

The reason why there's so much violence there is because of the West's insistence on pounding a square peg into a round hole, so to speak.


wrong. Israel is shown to be the respondent, not the aggressor. But if you it makes you feel better.
 
2012-09-03 07:44:24 PM  
They should make a bacon spray.

Then everyone would convert to Christianity, eat bacon, and then there would be world peace!

/you got ur leviticus in mah bacons, plz remove it
 
2012-09-03 07:46:29 PM  

whidbey: robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.

You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?


If we're gonna have a nukefest, I'd rather we had it there.
 
2012-09-03 07:47:22 PM  

olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.


You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or "the Injuns" then we get this kind of reaction. Just as there were many many tribes of Native Americans, and the majority of Catholics were not in the IRA, most Palestinians would be just as happy to cooperate with the Israeli government. But the government insists on first assuming that ALL Palestinians are somehow involved in fighting against them, and therefore ANY breach of a cease-fire means that every single person in the neighborhood deserves to be treated like killers.

The same thing happened during the Troubles in Ireland, when the British Army used any killing by the IRA as an excuse to roll through Catholic neighborhoods with APCs and soldiers laden with battle gear; and it happened in America when the government figured that all Injuns were the same big tribe and so a massacre by the Apaches was a good reason to wipe out the Cheyenne. All this thinking and reaction does is ensure that people who would otherwise be willing to sit down and discuss things WILL join the insurgency and WILL start shooting back at the government.

So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.

People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change.
 
2012-09-03 07:47:55 PM  

whidbey: robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.

You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?


Doesn't have to be nukes. A shiat-ton of carpet bombs would work too. Or lasers. Whatever, so long as both populations are wiped.
 
2012-09-03 07:48:57 PM  

Indubitably: I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.

Agreed.


I think this thread is fascinating. Fanatics, fundamentalists and zealots bash each other over the head for my amusement? I'd even read it if it had commercial breaks.
 
2012-09-03 07:51:10 PM  

ElLoco: Indubitably: I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.

Agreed.

I think this thread is fascinating. Fanatics, fundamentalists and zealots bash each other over the head for my amusement? I'd even read it if it had commercial breaks.


"Now brought to you by, FARK-bacon, the mostest tastiest deliciousist evar, Remark_bacon..."
 
2012-09-03 07:52:26 PM  
So crowds of people throwing rocks are upset because they are sprayed with something that stinks?
 
2012-09-03 07:52:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.

You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or ...


If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.
 
2012-09-03 07:57:30 PM  

Generation_D: Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.


If that were true why do Israeli parties that advocate removing all Arabs not get elected to run the govt?
 
2012-09-03 07:58:59 PM  

GAT_00: Come on in folks, to the dumbest Israeli thread to date!


Well, at least until you post again.
 
2012-09-03 08:00:49 PM  

ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.


Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.
 
2012-09-03 08:01:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change.


My take on this is similar to what happened in Southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah shells Israel repeatedly, and the Lebanese government does nothing about it.

Finally Israel invades, and puts an end to it.

People get all upset, Israel invaded a sovereign country!

Well, if Lebanon had an effective government they wouldn't have let Hezbollah shell.

That Hezbollah could shell so effectively for so long demonstrates that the Lebanese government was ineffectual and unable to perform its sovereign duties.

At which point it seems perfectly justifiable for the target of those rockets and shells to go in there and put an end to it.

I realize the situation is more complex in Gaza but they do have a governing authority and that authority needs to show it is effective against attacking its neighbors.
 
2012-09-03 08:02:40 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?


I would assume Hamas since that's who the Gazans voted for...

Wrong?
 
2012-09-03 08:02:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military.


So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

To use an analogy similar to yours: If the US was at was with Mexico because the Crips were lobbing missiles at Mexico, the US should use law enforcement (and, depending on circumstances, perhaps even the military) to round up and arrest all the Crips. No more Crips, no more missiles, no more war with Mexico.
 
2012-09-03 08:02:58 PM  
No nudes?
 
2012-09-03 08:03:15 PM  
And what about Egypt's, Syria's or Jordan's treatment of the Palestinians? Also Israel's fault?
Nobody likes the Palis.

/Every man for himself.
//Hallelujah
///Yodel-ay-hee-hoo
 
2012-09-03 08:03:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.

Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.


That's bullshiat, and you know it.
 
2012-09-03 08:04:41 PM  

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.

Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.

That's bullshiat, and you know it.


However, I have no dog in this fight, so I *bow*
 
2012-09-03 08:04:47 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.

B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324]


I've seen you write some really stupid things, this one is certainly a keeper. So is most of your profile.

Congratulations.
 
2012-09-03 08:05:25 PM  
How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say? We know why people support - or at least say they support - each side and nobody changes their mind. This is the first I've heard of Israel spraying stuff at Palestinians and without even reading the article I knew why Israel supporters would support it and why Palestinan supporters would be against it.
 
2012-09-03 08:05:31 PM  

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


You want to back up your claim it is used on non protesters in villages weekly? Or is this another of your, all too common and predictable, lies about Israel?
 
2012-09-03 08:07:01 PM  
KimNorth
About that...STOP IT

What, and kill the whole point?


fatcurlytoes
Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week!

Sometimes they even force Israelis to go to a bomb shelter for several minutes.

Everyone in Palestine wishes they were just getting bombed occasionally.
 
2012-09-03 08:07:59 PM  

Abox: How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say? We know why people support - or at least say they support - each side and nobody changes their mind. This is the first I've heard of Israel spraying stuff at Palestinians and without even reading the article I knew why Israel supporters would support it and why Palestinan supporters would be against it.


It's the Ginsu knives man, we all want a set for winning the thread.
 
2012-09-03 08:13:06 PM  
Put some pig poop in that spray.
 
2012-09-03 08:14:39 PM  
I have a Final Solution for the Israli/Palestinian question. Round up all the young men and put em in a pit, with weapons. Last partisan standing decides the outcome. Either way, once the population of young men is reduced to an acceptable level, the problem goes away.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: farkeruk: How's religious freedom?

There are sizable Christian and Jewish communities in the West Bank, that's Palestinian Christian and Jewish communities. Indeed interfaith marriage has been common among Palestinians for centuries.


Palestinian Jewish communities? Please tell me more.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:15 PM  
Zulfikar
They can't have it both ways, which is what they are doing now.

It would seem that they can, in fact, have it both ways.


fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate? "Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?"

Answer: Because that makes it the Palestinians' fault; in which case Israel may carry on driving them away.


Abox
How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say?

Yeah, there's not much left to talk about... pretty much the only decent thing to do at this point would be to invade the West Bank, remove the IDF, and offer the settlers the choice of renouncing their Israeli citizenship and becoming Palestinian citizens or going to Israel. Those who think otherwise either haven't thought it completely through or are racist, imperialist scum. The kind of people who think "civilization" is this great project that countless humans have to be sacrificed for if necessary.
 
2012-09-03 08:18:01 PM  

RanDomino: racist, imperialist scum.



lol, people still stalk like that?
 
2012-09-03 08:18:02 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.

Basically because early Islam was fighting some dudes and Mohammed told the Jews in a town "come fight for me or else" and the Jews weren't willing to basically endorse Islam by fighting on their side. Mohammed got pissed that the Jews wouldn't take orders, and that's when Islam vs Judaism happened.

The arrogance of Mohammed makes modern douchebags look well adjusted.


You forgot the part about the jews trying to let in the dudes in the south
 
2012-09-03 08:19:11 PM  

TOWG: Put some pig poop in that spray.


What, and risk driving up the market price for pig poop worldwide? Where will I get the particular premium pig poop I prefer?
 
2012-09-03 08:19:23 PM  
The Palestinians deserve it 40,000%
 
2012-09-03 08:20:23 PM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

I would assume Hamas since that's who the Gazans voted for...

Wrong?


No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?

Also, you're assuming that all this just got going and they're at the front end of being able to stave off problems. Instead, this is the crap-end of a long and ugly process. If Hamas had had the ability to put down terrorists at the outset--and the means and resources to do it--that would be one thing. But remember, the US and Israel didn't acknowledge Hamas as the legitimate government. Hamas had no power to request foreign aid or IMF loans to help them get started. If Hamas had arrested their dissident elements, they would have had no place to put them (except in Israeli prisons) or try them (except in Israeli courts), which the residents of Gaza would not have accepted. And of course, they won't accept it now.

Someone used the analogy of the US being in a shooting war with Mexico, because of the Crips firing rockets at Juarez; we could use our police and military to stop the Crips and end the war. A better analogy would be if the City of Escondido was in such a war, and had to stop the Crips all on their own, without being able to summon the National Guard or the Marines--or even the San Diego County Sheriff's department. AND if the rest of America was constantly giving the Mayor of Escondido shiat for not stopping the war. It would not work out any better for the City of Escondido than it is for Gaza now.
 
2012-09-03 08:24:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?


I dunno, at some level Hamas has to shiat or get off the pot. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and Hamas has had plenty of time to build jails, gain informants, create civil authorities and police forces.

It appears to me, maybe ignorantly, that Hamas aids the rocket attackers, and doesn't try to stop it.
 
2012-09-03 08:26:28 PM  
What group of people anywhere on the planet routinely shoot rocks at soldiers with slingshots and don't die? Only Israel's enemies -- and they are enemies. For them not to be enemies, Palestinians wouldn't send their children to do this.

It's time Israel behaved a bit like Assad and used only live rounds. The Islamist threat knows nothing that stops their hatred of non-Muslims except the butt of a gun.
 
2012-09-03 08:26:30 PM  

robohobo: RanDomino: racist, imperialist scum.


lol, people still stalk like that?


Sadly, yes.
 
2012-09-03 08:29:23 PM  

RanDomino: Abox
How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say?

Yeah, there's not much left to talk about... pretty much the only decent thing to do at this point would be to invade the West Bank, remove the IDF, and offer the settlers the choice of renouncing their Israeli citizenship and becoming Palestinian citizens or going to Israel. Those who think otherwise either haven't thought it completely through or are racist, imperialist scum. The kind of people who think "civilization" is this great project that countless humans have to be sacrificed for if necessary. Go Palestinians!



Go Israel!
 
2012-09-03 08:29:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.

And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.


I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map
 
2012-09-03 08:30:31 PM  

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


Because just outright stating you have a national policy of Lebensraum is just too politically incorrect.
 
2012-09-03 08:31:12 PM  
Jesus H. Chrysler, why not just spray them with liquified pig mixed with alcohol?
 
2012-09-03 08:31:32 PM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?

I dunno, at some level Hamas has to shiat or get off the pot. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and Hamas has had plenty of time to build jails, gain informants, create civil authorities and police forces.

It appears to me, maybe ignorantly, that Hamas aids the rocket attackers, and doesn't try to stop it.


Time. But no money. No assistance from outside. Nobody helping them out. Hell, Iraq couldn't put together a working country with all the money and advisers America was pouring into it; how do you think Hamas was going to do it alone and broke? And trying to do all the other things a sub-country has to do, like build infrastructure, provide schools and housing, keep food and power flowing...without any help? We wouldn't even acknowledge they were democratically elected; how can we now turn around and say "Why aren't you acting like a government!?"

And again, as I said, maybe they could have done this in, say, 1950. Expecting it to work now is probably insane. Seven years is nothing with 50 years of turmoil and violence behind them.
 
2012-09-03 08:31:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.


Well for a correct analogy we would have to elect MS-13 to run the US.


However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or "the Injuns" then we get this kind of reaction. Just as there were many many tribes of Native Americans, and the majority of Catholics were not in the IRA, most Palestinians would be just as happy to cooperate with the Israeli government. But the government insists on first assuming that ALL Palestinians are somehow involved in fighting against them, and therefore ANY breach of a cease-fire means that every single person in the neighborhood deserves to be treated like killers.


I take issue with you saying most palestenians "would be just as happy to cooperate with the Israeli government" electing Hamas shows that isn't really true.

Also Israel doesn't assume "ALL Palestinians are somehow involved in fighting", otherwise they would just level every Palestinian village. They have never treated an entire neighborhood as killers, but the fact is if Palestenians use a building to launch rockets,t hey make that building a legit target.

So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.

What is the other option? Allow Gaza to continue to rain rockets?


People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change

Once again you are missing out that they elected the "hotheads".

shiat isn't going to change until palestinians want peace more than they want to kill jews, or at least they don't empower those that do. Unfortunately even if most did want peace with all the outside support from Arab nations for the "hotheads" would mean the hotheads would still run the roost.
 
2012-09-03 08:32:17 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant. The more unpleasant the better, because that makes them more deterring.


Orgasm ray?

There was research recently into the idea of a Gay Bomb- that's literally what they called it- that would make the enemy so irresistable to one another that they started farking each other. Seriously. That was the concept. Never mind that such aphrodisiacs don't exist despite being long sought after, and it would seem more literal to call it a "Rape Bomb", actually.
 
2012-09-03 08:33:20 PM  

alimansur: What group of people anywhere on the planet routinely shoot rocks at soldiers with slingshots and don't die? Only Israel's enemies -- and they are enemies. For them not to be enemies, Palestinians wouldn't send their children to do this.

It's time Israel behaved a bit like Assad and used only live rounds. The Islamist threat knows nothing that stops their hatred of non-Muslims except the butt of a gun.


I would like to point you to that Border and Country to the South of Western United States.
 
2012-09-03 08:34:01 PM  

Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map


Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122
 
2012-09-03 08:34:07 PM  
Whats going on in here?

Oh Lawd.

Gyrfalcon: resources


Quickly, review this and go down. A few links on police force actions and the recent (to then) attack on the police forces.

Its amazing how crappy the arguments are.
 
2012-09-03 08:36:21 PM  

Mazzic518: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.

And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.

I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map


And I hope Iran wipes that food off their chin - their poor table manners is really bugging me. I mean, I've been trying to surreptitiously tell them by doing the whole pantomiming wiping my own chin, but nothing is getting through.
 
2012-09-03 08:36:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?


Yes they do. They had the kind of resources to kill Fatah rivals.

As far as "free of ties to the insurgents" you can't elect a party of terrorists insurgents and then complain when it is has insurgents as members.

Gyrfalcon: If Hamas had arrested their dissident elements, they would have had no place to put them (except in Israeli prisons) or try them (except in Israeli courts), which the residents of Gaza would not have accepted. And of course, they won't accept it now.


No. Gaza has jails, courts, etc.
 
2012-09-03 08:37:48 PM  

RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?


You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??
 
2012-09-03 08:42:11 PM  

fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??


Yes.

Ran doesn't consider the death of Israelis citizens as real terrorism.

He compares Palestenian terrorists to groups that have killed far fewer civilians (by a few orders of magnitude in the last 10 or so years) in places like Spain. I have inquired as to what exchange rate he uses for Israelis vice Europeans and why the value of one is higher, but he refuses to answer.
 
2012-09-03 08:43:56 PM  

Zulfikar: The international community does not recognize Israel's occupation of the West Bank.
Israel does not recognize its own occupation of the West Bank--because if it did, it would have to grant citizenship to the Palestinians there.
Israel allows the settlement of the West Bank in violation of international law.

If Israel wants to keep the West Bank, then unilaterally annex it and deal with the consequences of a binational Israel. Otherwise, dismantle the settlements and withdraw. They can't have it both ways, which is what they are doing now.

The West Bank is sobering--as is Sderot.


It looks like they will take the west bank once the population is low enough, and by low enough i Mean zero.
 
2012-09-03 08:44:09 PM  
first world white people discussing third world brown people problems.

and so it goes.
 
2012-09-03 08:45:15 PM  

fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??


The states could always save their bacon, again.

/it's not like they're enjoying it
 
2012-09-03 08:45:46 PM  
FTA: "Developed by a private Israeli company and first deployed by the army in 2008, skunk is an organic brew of baking powder, yeast, and some ingredients kept secret. It is harmless to health and designed to reduce casualties, the Israelis say"

t0.gstatic.com


Yes, and best of all

It's KOSHER!
 



Zionism STINKS
So what else is new?
If you were a Zionist
You'd stink too
 
2012-09-03 08:46:37 PM  

Party Boy: Whats going on in here?

Oh Lawd.

Gyrfalcon: resources

Quickly, review this and go down. A few links on police force actions and the recent (to then) attack on the police forces.

Its amazing how crappy the arguments are.


Interesting. I did not know that. Thanks for the linkage.

However, these are the attitudes I was referring to (from the articles you linked)

"If a total cessation of fire from Gaza, as committed in the calm, is not implemented, the calm has no possibility to succeed," Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's spokesman, Mark Regev, said. and Until Israel carried out its obligations under the truce deal, Abu Zuhri said, "there would be no chance" of resuming indirect talks on the fate of Gilad Shalit, an Israeli soldier seized by Gaza militants in a cross-border two years ago.

All it takes, in that tinderbox, is for one person to violate the ceasefire, and then the other side blames EVERYONE for doing it. This isn't the front end of these hates and hostilities; it's the back end of over 60 years of death and shooting, and it isn't going to change until the side with more guns and power agrees to take a step back. That is the only way it can work. Otherwise, it will continue, because no matter who breaks the truce, the other side says "See! They all want us all dead!! KILL EM ALL!!!" It does not matter if it's a random Israeli farmer or a couple of Palestinian fools with a rocket--so long as it remains about principle and expecting the other side to control everything, nothing can change.
 
2012-09-03 08:47:30 PM  

robohobo: The states could always save their bacon, again.

/it's not like they're enjoying it


I don't think suggesting things like that is kosher.
 
2012-09-03 08:47:54 PM  
Party Boy
Whats going on in here?

Oh Lawd.


This was my reaction upon reading this train wreck. Ugh. Good to see you and some others still fighting the good fight though, PB.
 
2012-09-03 08:50:20 PM  
I knew this would happen. I tried to warn people. I knew the moment I found out Snookie was pregnant that someone would weaponize the placenta.
 
2012-09-03 08:51:05 PM  
For the record: everyone should just lay down their weapons and hug. Maybe a smooch. Come on. ;)
 
2012-09-03 08:51:47 PM  

Indubitably: For the record: everyone should just lay down their weapons and hug. Maybe a smooch. Come on. ;)


Smoochies are cuties.
 
2012-09-03 08:52:27 PM  

fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??


Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here.
 
2012-09-03 08:52:44 PM  

liam76: fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??

Yes.

Ran doesn't consider the death of Israelis citizens as real terrorism.

He compares Palestenian terrorists to groups that have killed far fewer civilians (by a few orders of magnitude in the last 10 or so years) in places like Spain. I have inquired as to what exchange rate he uses for Israelis vice Europeans and why the value of one is higher, but he refuses to answer.



As you read the above, you must remember that liam76 reserves the right to lie through his teeth use "artistic license" when he speaks of other Farkers and what they may or may not believe.

Innat right, liam76?
 
2012-09-03 08:54:30 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here.

Agreed. It is completely irrational to view the act of occupation and forcible colonization as anything but the primary aggressive action.
 
2012-09-03 08:55:33 PM  

fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate. Go Israel!

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate? Go Palestinians!

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing?? Go Israel!



I'll take this one... Go Palestinians!
 
2012-09-03 08:59:19 PM  

Abox: fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate. Go Israel!

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate? Go Palestinians!

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing?? Go Israel!


I'll take this one... Go Palestinians!


I'm thinkin' they ain't hot enough to be good cheerleaders.

i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-03 08:59:20 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not germane to the discussion.


HA HA HA, OH WOW.
 
2012-09-03 08:59:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Interesting. I did not know that. Thanks for the linkage.


Theres more. its part of a larger trend.
 
2012-09-03 09:02:22 PM  

mrexcess: This was my reaction upon reading this train wreck. Ugh. Good to see you and some others still fighting the good fight though, PB.


Meh. I used to be more involved. The more life catches up, the less time I seem to want to devote to repeating myself to the exact same people saying the exact same canards.

Ever feel like Bill Murray on Groundhog Day?
 
2012-09-03 09:05:42 PM  

Gyrfalcon: All it takes, in that tinderbox, is for one person to violate the ceasefire


Also, be advised of the political umbrella under which it occurred. [1] [2].
Very particular circumstances that go beyond these parameters.
 
2012-09-03 09:06:08 PM  

sendtodave: Because People in power are Stupid: It's not germane to the discussion.

HA HA HA, OH WOW.


Yes america that hand you feel up your backside is indeed Israel. I'm pretty sure Israel can look after itself now, they seem to have gotten very proficient at that. I'm not saying they should be overrun but our already bloated military budget cannot afford to keep Israel in the latest toys anymore, besides they don't need guided missiles they need stink bombs, apparently.
 
2012-09-03 09:09:08 PM  

RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122


Awee now I feel special
 
2012-09-03 09:10:19 PM  

mrexcess: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here.

Agreed. It is completely irrational to view the act of occupation and forcible colonization as anything but the primary aggressive action.


Indubitably!
 
2012-09-03 09:11:12 PM  
Party Boy
Ever feel like Bill Murray on Groundhog Day?

I was just reading that thread from 2010 and thinking that. I can remember sitting right here, writing that post just below the one you linked to, down to what I was thinking as I was composing it. It's endless, determinedly cyclical... and yet, life's so short. Anyway, hope yours is going well and filled with experiences more worthy and memorable than this. All the same, glad you're here and always enjoy reading your posts.
 
2012-09-03 09:12:34 PM  

Mazzic518: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122

Awee now I feel special


How special? Jew special or Goy special?
 
2012-09-03 09:14:56 PM  

mrexcess: Party Boy
Ever feel like Bill Murray on Groundhog Day?

I was just reading that thread from 2010 and thinking that. I can remember sitting right here, writing that post just below the one you linked to, down to what I was thinking as I was composing it. It's endless, determinedly cyclical... and yet, life's so short. Anyway, hope yours is going well and filled with experiences more worthy and memorable than this. All the same, glad you're here and always enjoy reading your posts.


Thanks.

Things are busy. Shoot me an email. I want to know if things have changed from the last time we chatted.
 
2012-09-03 09:16:31 PM  

Mazzic518: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122

Awee now I feel special


There's nothing special about you at all.

It is sad that you expressly call out that you hate Jews and that other people proceed to ever again treat you as anything other than a bigoted asshole.
 
2012-09-03 09:19:42 PM  
GAT_00

Well, they're going to attack Palestinians no matter what, so at least this is nonlethal.

Not surprising statement coming from our resident Göring fan .

FTFA:
Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers

islamists attack, and a Jewish person has the audacity to defend themselves and they are wrong for doing so. How dare they not line up quietly like last time.
 
2012-09-03 09:28:02 PM  

RoyBatty: Mazzic518: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122

Awee now I feel special

There's nothing special about you at all.

It is sad that you expressly call out that you hate Jews and that other people proceed to ever again treat you as anything other than a bigoted asshole.


To be fair, the man could be Mel Gibson.
 
2012-09-03 09:28:18 PM  

RoyBatty: Mazzic518: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122

Awee now I feel special

There's nothing special about you at all.

It is sad that you expressly call out that you hate Jews and that other people proceed to ever again treat you as anything other than a bigoted asshole.


Don't foget racist I claim that one too
 
2012-09-03 09:28:48 PM  
Given the number of rockets the Palestinians have sprayed the Israeli population with, I'd think the Israelis would be entirely justified in using far more lethal means in retaliation.
 
2012-09-03 09:30:46 PM  
So it's Palestinian Poonanny they're being shot with?

/stanky
 
2012-09-03 09:31:10 PM  
Party Boy: Will send you something tomorrow, bro. Interesting times as always.
 
2012-09-03 09:35:21 PM  

Secret Master of All Flatulence: Given the number of rockets the Palestinians have sprayed the Israeli population with, I'd think the Israelis would be entirely justified in using far more lethal means in retaliation.



They do.

All the time.

Check the body counts.

Poor Israelis. Such underdogs, already.
 
2012-09-03 09:35:55 PM  

mrexcess: Party Boy: Will send you something tomorrow, bro. Interesting times as always.


have a good one
 
2012-09-03 09:36:03 PM  

jaytkay

Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

Here's the side you support
i95.photobucket.comi95.photobucket.com

i95.photobucket.comi95.photobucket.com 


/ 9-11 celebrations and using children as shields.
 
2012-09-03 09:37:10 PM  

halB: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: RoyBatty: Mazzic518: I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

Yes, you have made that abundantly clear in many threads.

"I farking hate jews" - http://www.fark.com/comments/7282890/78892122#c78892122

Awee now I feel special

There's nothing special about you at all.

It is sad that you expressly call out that you hate Jews and that other people proceed to ever again treat you as anything other than a bigoted asshole.

To be fair, the man could be Mel Gibson.


Lethal weapon was on the other night.... I had forgotten how hilarious that movie is
 
2012-09-03 09:39:31 PM  

OnlyM3: jaytkay

Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?
Here's the side you support


 


/ 9-11 celebrations and using children as shields.


Children are the best shields... you ever try to carry an adult?
 
2012-09-03 09:42:51 PM  

Mazzic518: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.

And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.

I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map


4/10 - kinda obvious really
 
2012-09-03 09:46:07 PM  

Amos Quito: Secret Master of All Flatulence: Given the number of rockets the Palestinians have sprayed the Israeli population with, I'd think the Israelis would be entirely justified in using far more lethal means in retaliation.


They do.

All the time.

Check the body counts.

Poor Israelis. Such underdogs, already.



Ooh look...square one arguments! It's like catching the pilot episode of a show you started watching mid-series.
 
2012-09-03 09:46:08 PM  

diaphoresis: Mazzic518: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.

And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.

I hope Iran wipes Israel off the map

4/10 - kinda obvious really


Ssshhhhhhhh I'm almost at my bag limit
 
drp
2012-09-03 09:49:37 PM  

doyner: My proposal is that we don't PICK SIDES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S FRARKING HOLY MANDATE!


Three practical rules for getting involved in someone else's civil war:
1) Don't.
2) If you do, pick a side.
3) Win.

So. We've basically failed at 1. Half-assed 2. And 3 would require something akin to genocide, so that's not going to happen.

Which is why rule 1 is so important.
 
2012-09-03 09:55:36 PM  

Bob16: Jews still want to milk that holocaust for all it's worth with a straight face huh ?

When you act just like the nazis you look like an asshole whining about what the nazis did to you.


Why not?
It's working for America post 06/11/01.

./Or is it?
 
2012-09-03 10:03:20 PM  

OnlyM3: jaytkay

Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?
Here's the side you support
[i95.photobucket.com image 320x240][i95.photobucket.com image 150x190]

[i95.photobucket.com image 342x228][i95.photobucket.com image 410x274] 


/ 9-11 celebrations and using children as shields.


Yeah, because everyone knows that civilized people just stand by and do nothing when their land is taken away from them.
 
2012-09-03 10:11:28 PM  
Has anyone made a Palestinians or Matzoh smelling joke yet???
 
2012-09-03 10:15:43 PM  

Mazzic518: Ssshhhhhhhh I'm almost at my bag limit


I am truly very excited for you. You would prefer to be known as a troll than as a bigot.
 
2012-09-03 10:18:30 PM  

BigJake: Has anyone made a Palestinians or Matzoh smelling joke yet???


Smelling is irrespective of cultural influence.

Smell is personal.
 
2012-09-03 10:19:56 PM  

Indubitably: BigJake: Has anyone made a Palestinians or Matzoh smelling joke yet???

Smelling is irrespective of cultural influence.

Smell is personal.


Apologies, did I just make this personal?

;)
 
2012-09-03 10:20:48 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: BigJake: Has anyone made a Palestinians or Matzoh smelling joke yet???

Smelling is irrespective of cultural influence.

Smell is personal.

Apologies, did I just make this personal?

;)


Personally, I smell you at twenty feet...
 
2012-09-03 10:24:17 PM  

gameshowhost: ^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|


Pointing out hypocrisy is always valid.
 
2012-09-03 10:40:29 PM  

Blairr: gameshowhost: ^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

Pointing out hypocrisy is always valid.


Exactly.
 
2012-09-03 10:58:10 PM  
This thread is really slowing down. I thought for sure it had 500 derp potential. Somebody mention the protocols of Zion or something. Thanks.
 
2012-09-03 10:59:04 PM  
Mind works.
 
2012-09-03 11:06:16 PM  

mrexcess: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here.

Agreed. It is completely irrational to view the act of occupation and forcible colonization as anything but the primary aggressive action.


Honestly Israel is a failed experiment, it was a bad ideq and the UN should just step in and terminate the experiment
 
2012-09-03 11:06:53 PM  
Just research the Brown Noise and cut out the middle man.
 
2012-09-03 11:09:12 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: it was a bad ideq and the UN should just step in and terminate the experiment


Using their SUPER UN TERMINATION POWERS. "Form of a Committee!" "Shape of a Stern Letter!"
 
2012-09-03 11:11:58 PM  

flucto: Mr. Carpenter: it was a bad ideq and the UN should just step in and terminate the experiment

Using their SUPER UN TERMINATION POWERS. "Form of a Committee!" "Shape of a Stern Letter!"


No, by calling for a joint resolution for the use of force. The united states should invade israel and destroy it as a cou antry. It is failed experiment in nation building.
 
2012-09-03 11:14:01 PM  

zzrhardy: Just research the Brown Noise and cut out the middle man.


Depends?
 
2012-09-03 11:14:56 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: No, by calling for a joint resolution for the use of force. The united states should invade israel and destroy it as a cou antry. It is failed experiment in nation building.


Time to up your meds.
 
2012-09-03 11:16:55 PM  

Party Boy: Gyrfalcon: All it takes, in that tinderbox, is for one person to violate the ceasefire

Also, be advised of the political umbrella under which it occurred. [1] [2].
Very particular circumstances that go beyond these parameters.


What a freaking mess.

I'm going to revise my world politics cure, and suggest that along with sub-saharan Africa, everything between Cairo and at least Kandahar should be sealed under a huge dome and abandoned by the rest of the world for at least 500 years.
 
2012-09-03 11:18:32 PM  

flucto: Mr. Carpenter: No, by calling for a joint resolution for the use of force. The united states should invade israel and destroy it as a cou antry. It is failed experiment in nation building.

Time to up your meds.


Lol. Since you resort to ad hominems ill sink there in kind. Youre a farking retard. The whole point of us creating israel was to provide a counter balance to soviet influence in the region. It no longer serves this purpose and causes far more problems than its worth. If we had the right to create it, we have a right to destroy it.
 
2012-09-03 11:19:43 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: flucto: Mr. Carpenter: No, by calling for a joint resolution for the use of force. The united states should invade israel and destroy it as a cou antry. It is failed experiment in nation building.

Time to up your meds.

Lol. Since you resort to ad hominems ill sink there in kind. Youre a farking retard. The whole point of us creating israel was to provide a counter balance to soviet influence in the region. It no longer serves this purpose and causes far more problems than its worth. If we had the right to create it, we have a right to destroy it.


Ah yes, the highly controversial Cosby Doctrine.
 
2012-09-03 11:21:20 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What a freaking mess.

I'm going to revise my world politics cure, and suggest that along with sub-saharan Africa, everything between Cairo and at least Kandahar should be sealed under a huge dome and abandoned by the rest of the world for at least 500 years.


Two points that are kind of ambivalent. It will do things to your perspective.
• Look up the dates of the beginning and end of the Gaza war. How do they correspond with the US election.
• What was the source of Middle East conflict in, say, the 17th century, the 18th century, and the 19th century?

Pay a great deal of attention to the second point.
 
2012-09-03 11:23:04 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: Youre a farking retard.


Yes, the little used and highly obscure definition of farking retard: "one who disagrees with the practicality of the UN passing a "disband Israel" resolution which causes the USA to invade and destroy it as a 'cou antry' "
 
2012-09-03 11:23:45 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Cosby Doctrine


Can we make another one that looks just like it?
 
2012-09-03 11:24:47 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Mr. Carpenter: flucto: Mr. Carpenter: No, by calling for a joint resolution for the use of force. The united states should invade israel and destroy it as a cou antry. It is failed experiment in nation building.

Time to up your meds.

Lol. Since you resort to ad hominems ill sink there in kind. Youre a farking retard. The whole point of us creating israel was to provide a counter balance to soviet influence in the region. It no longer serves this purpose and causes far more problems than its worth. If we had the right to create it, we have a right to destroy it.

Ah yes, the highly controversial Cosby Doctrine.


Might makes right. If israel believes their regional suppremacy gives them the right to mistreat the palestinians then our military power gives us the right to destroy their "nation"
 
2012-09-03 11:28:14 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ah yes, the highly controversial Cosby Doctrine.


Nicely played, thank you.
 
2012-09-03 11:28:47 PM  

flucto: Mr. Carpenter: Youre a farking retard.

Yes, the little used and highly obscure definition of farking retard: "one who disagrees with the practicality of the UN passing a "disband Israel" resolution which causes the USA to invade and destroy it as a 'cou antry' "


Herpa derpa doo. Youre a farking retard for trying to pass logical fallacy off as the more reasonable side of the debate. They were created artificially through the united nations and the united nations is within its right to pass authorization for use of force to intercede on behalf of the palestinian people. Israel is certainly in the wrong concerning the treatment of the palestinians at the hands of the settlers. Force via un resolution is the only way israel will respond to the gravity of the situation
 
2012-09-03 11:29:43 PM  
It's gotta be a bummer for some.
"Yeah, Mo, I now we invited you around for dinner last week but that was before you went to the protests." And poor Mo's only recourse is a takeaway kebab in Stinktown.
 
2012-09-03 11:30:54 PM  
*know
 
2012-09-03 11:32:24 PM  

Party Boy: Gyrfalcon: What a freaking mess.

I'm going to revise my world politics cure, and suggest that along with sub-saharan Africa, everything between Cairo and at least Kandahar should be sealed under a huge dome and abandoned by the rest of the world for at least 500 years.

Two points that are kind of ambivalent. It will do things to your perspective.
• Look up the dates of the beginning and end of the Gaza war. How do they correspond with the US election.
• What was the source of Middle East conflict in, say, the 17th century, the 18th century, and the 19th century?

Pay a great deal of attention to the second point.


Clue me in, because I would otherwise say, there wasn't any conflict while the entire Middle East was under the mandate of the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire.
 
2012-09-03 11:34:23 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: Herpa derpa doo.


Well you can't argue with that. You win, let's nuke 'em.
 
2012-09-03 11:38:47 PM  

flucto: Mr. Carpenter: Herpa derpa doo.

Well you can't argue with that. You win, let's nuke 'em.


You are a wealth of logically coherent arguments. I do,however, accept your defacto consession. But youre still a farking retard.
 
2012-09-03 11:40:44 PM  

Mr. Carpenter: But youre still a farking retard.


Don't forget to up the meds. Maybe a bit of electric shock therapy too. Thanks for the epic, nuc-ul-lar grade stupid.
 
2012-09-03 11:44:00 PM  

flucto: Mr. Carpenter: But youre still a farking retard.

Don't forget to up the meds. Maybe a bit of electric shock therapy too. Thanks for the epic, nuc-ul-lar grade stupid.


Nice that you have logical falla y to fall back on at least. If you didnt have personal attacks you wouldnt have anything at all. Its kind of funny that you chose to comment on something you clearly have such a paucity of experience and education about, maybe a quick google or wiki search would have benefitted you, at least then you could have faked comprehension of the subject at hand in place of hurling childish and lame insults.
 
2012-09-03 11:47:28 PM  
Remind me never to read one of these threads again.

And I'd strongly suggest that anyone who thinks they understand this problem should go and look at it on the ground. It's pretty easy to get around Israel and the West Bank, and you can drive right along the Gaza border and see the rocket shells they've collected at the Sderot police station. I did all of this in July. While you can have a strong opinion about this, it's hard to see the situation personally and still imagine that somehow the issue is a simple question of good guys and bad guys. If you can afford it, just go.

I'd also suggest you go to Iran (which I've also done), but I'll save that for another thread.
 
2012-09-03 11:49:59 PM  
So they're using Liquid Ass?
 
2012-09-03 11:57:38 PM  

PunGent: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.


WELL
EFFING
PUT
 
2012-09-03 11:58:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Clue me in, because I would otherwise say, there wasn't any conflict while the entire Middle East was under the mandate of the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire.




This topic. (Gesticulating to the expanse of the thread) its the source of great butthurt and bullcrap. If your argument isn't solid, it gets nitpicked. Likewise, you often get sold a tight narrative thats often lacking. For example, there really isn;t much wrong with your sentence. However, if you were going to use it to break up the canard of "a place of endless conflict," someone would attack the absolute of "wasn't any conflict."

On Gaza, you have the November 4th and 5th escalation on U.S. election night. Then as Jon Stewart put it, "Israel gets their bombing in before the January 20th hope and change deadline." Ok, theres more complexity than that. Sy Hersh
 
2012-09-04 12:05:48 AM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: No, but you're assuming that Hamas has the kind of resources that would be needed to prevent militia activity. Do they have a solid, stable police force that is free of ties to the insurgents themselves? Do they have money to pay off informants and collect intelligence? Do they have a military that can go head-to-head with the terrorists?

I dunno, at some level Hamas has to shiat or get off the pot. Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005, and Hamas has had plenty of time to build jails, gain informants, create civil authorities and police forces.

It appears to me, maybe ignorantly, that Hamas aids the rocket attackers, and doesn't try to stop it.


crayfisher.files.wordpress.com

It's easy to do, of course. Especially when you can easily get supplies and money in and out of your territory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip

/yeah, I know html
//but you're too lazy to Google, so I'm too lazy to type a href
 
2012-09-04 12:15:02 AM  

Party Boy: Gyrfalcon: Clue me in, because I would otherwise say, there wasn't any conflict while the entire Middle East was under the mandate of the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire.



This topic. (Gesticulating to the expanse of the thread) its the source of great butthurt and bullcrap. If your argument isn't solid, it gets nitpicked. Likewise, you often get sold a tight narrative thats often lacking. For example, there really isn;t much wrong with your sentence. However, if you were going to use it to break up the canard of "a place of endless conflict," someone would attack the absolute of "wasn't any conflict."

On Gaza, you have the November 4th and 5th escalation on U.S. election night. Then as Jon Stewart put it, "Israel gets their bombing in before the January 20th hope and change deadline." Ok, theres more complexity than that. Sy Hersh


*sigh*

Sometimes I think the isolationists have got it right.

Now I'm depressed and I'm going to go play some kind of intense but irrelevant video game until my spirits rise. Thanks, dude, for ruining my night, while giving me even more proof that we need to get the US out of there entirely. We do NOT belong in there. No matter what we do, someone will be pissed at what we've done, and nothing else will ever get better.
 
2012-09-04 12:16:15 AM  

Party Boy: Gyrfalcon: Clue me in, because I would otherwise say, there wasn't any conflict while the entire Middle East was under the mandate of the Ottoman Empire and the Persian Empire.



This topic. (Gesticulating to the expanse of the thread) its the source of great butthurt and bullcrap. If your argument isn't solid, it gets nitpicked. Likewise, you often get sold a tight narrative thats often lacking. For example, there really isn;t much wrong with your sentence. However, if you were going to use it to break up the canard of "a place of endless conflict," someone would attack the absolute of "wasn't any conflict."

On Gaza, you have the November 4th and 5th escalation on U.S. election night. Then as Jon Stewart put it, "Israel gets their bombing in before the January 20th hope and change deadline." Ok, theres more complexity than that. Sy Hersh


I watched coverage of that in a Iraqi Christian coffeeshop (not the first events, but the escalation after the election). Not the type to generally be all that sympathetic to Muslims, and most folks I've talked to about politics who were Iraqi Christian I remember voted Republican (I specifically remember a ridiculously sweet woman who lived near my parents telling me why she was choosing McCain). The disparity between the coverage they showed via satellite and what non-US websites were showing vs. US websites, to this day, still astounds me. Should have taken more screenshots.

I understand where Israel is coming from, I really do. But how they can't see that marginalizing and demonizing an entire group of people under your control as far as blockades, roadchecks, etc. goes is going to create *more* radicals and is going to be *less* likely to lead to peace, Christ, I don't get it. I have Jewish friends who do, but those friends do not overlap whatsoever with friends who have gone on a Birthright trip. Except maybe one.
 
2012-09-04 12:19:05 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: It's easy to do, of course. Especially when you can easily get supplies and money in and out of your territory.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip/yeah , I know html//but you're too lazy to Google, so I'm too lazy to type a href


Sure. From your same link, some how, mysteriously, Israel allows Hamas to have a police force. No one knows why Hamas police can't stop rocket attacks from the parking lots of apartment buildings or hospitals.

Poor Hamas! Leave Hamas alone!
 
2012-09-04 12:23:52 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Sometimes I think the isolationists have got it right.

Now I'm depressed and I'm going to go play some kind of intense but irrelevant video game until my spirits rise. Thanks, dude, for ruining my night, while giving me even more proof that we need to get the US out of there entirely. We do NOT belong in there. No matter what we do, someone will be pissed at what we've done, and nothing else will ever get better.


Party pooper boy.

Take a look at this thread and wonder why we can't be isolationist. Imagine what its like on the hill.


StreetlightInTheGhetto: I watched coverage of that in a Iraqi Christian coffeeshop (not the first events, but the escalation after the election). Not the type to generally be all that sympathetic to Muslims, and most folks I've talked to about politics who were Iraqi Christian I remember voted Republican (I specifically remember a ridiculously sweet woman who lived near my parents telling me why she was choosing McCain). The disparity between the coverage they showed via satellite and what non-US websites were showing vs. US websites, to this day, still astounds me. Should have taken more screenshots.


Id like to hear your POV on that.

Im going to have to take it "off the air." Tired.
 
2012-09-04 12:31:57 AM  
As an impressionable child in 1972, I remember the Olympics in Munich. From that point on, screw 'em. Israelis are industriou and prosperous, and oh yeah - civilized. If the tables were turned, the Palestinians would be full of bloodlust. Stinky goo - deal with it or become peaceful neighbors.
 
2012-09-04 12:32:53 AM  

St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?


I think they respect Israel's mission to maintain a safe homeland from frothing-at-the-mouth anti-Semites like you.
 
2012-09-04 12:55:22 AM  
I say mix it with a little pig blood and watch em scatter
 
2012-09-04 12:56:23 AM  
Skunk or dead. Let me think.
 
2012-09-04 01:00:09 AM  

RoyBatty: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.

B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324]

I've seen you write some really stupid things, this one is certainly a keeper. So is most of your profile.

Congratulations.


I should "congratulate" myself on what a rigid hardline right-winger you are?

I don't think so.

Also, most of what's in my profile is actually mainstream, and widely accepted by rational people. Yes, I suspect that this probably makes you mad.
 
2012-09-04 01:19:43 AM  

whidbey: I should "congratulate" myself on what a rigid hardline right-winger you are?I don't think so.Also, most of what's in my profile is actually mainstream, and widely accepted by rational people. Yes, I suspect that this probably makes you mad.


Yeah go find some hard right wing views of mine that many if not most prominent liberals don't also support. I'll be waiting.

"Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

We know what you were doing during Rwanda, don't we?
 
2012-09-04 01:25:38 AM  

Aigoo: The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.


THIS
THIS
FARKING ONLY THIS!!!

And didnt most of the "native americans" take the land from the tribes which there before them?
They were just the final conquerors before the whites came and took it from them.

plus, wouldnt it also be fair for the arabs and muslims to have to give back the property that they STOLE from the jews when they kicked the jews out of iran, iraq, etc ....?

I am waiting to hear that Iran is giving back that property. Once that has happened, we can talk.
LOL
 
2012-09-04 01:26:05 AM  
A garlic aroma that could level Tacoma?
 
2012-09-04 01:32:33 AM  
Link

Strange. WHY did the number of suicide attacks go down?
Oh right, they built a wall to keep the insane farkers out.

/you can biatch and complain about how the wall was unfair and and and
/but the wall kept the crazy farkers out
 
2012-09-04 01:37:22 AM  
Lots of anti-colonial Americans on Fark, living the good life in America. I guess you should find a country that never colonized anywhere so you can stay above the dirty fray.
 
2012-09-04 01:49:07 AM  
i recall recently a remarkable movement to have the u.n. recognize palistine as an actual bona fide gov't.

that would allow two things-

a means for it to address internal intention conflict (meaning factions performing activities contrary to the whole of palestine- such as armed conflict that undermines peaceful resolution of whatever)

international recognition of a people, meaning requirement of adressance of greviances of wrongdoings to these peoples.

it was shot down.

i'm ignorant of many things (aside from the proposal to the u.n. and it being denied), so any links/opinions in regards to what is relevant to this issue would be welcome.
 
2012-09-04 02:24:22 AM  

RoyBatty: whidbey: I should "congratulate" myself on what a rigid hardline right-winger you are?I don't think so.Also, most of what's in my profile is actually mainstream, and widely accepted by rational people. Yes, I suspect that this probably makes you mad.

Yeah go find some hard right wing views of mine that many if not most prominent liberals don't also support. I'll be waiting.

"Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

We know what you were doing during Rwanda, don't we?


Do you have any idea how long after Rwanda that statement was made?

It's criticism directed at our centers of power. You should be agreeing with it.
 
2012-09-04 02:32:28 AM  
www.ynetnews.com

Yeah, because the Palestinians are the only terrorists over there.

Link
 
2012-09-04 02:35:01 AM  

whidbey: RoyBatty: whidbey: I should "congratulate" myself on what a rigid hardline right-winger you are?I don't think so.Also, most of what's in my profile is actually mainstream, and widely accepted by rational people. Yes, I suspect that this probably makes you mad.

Yeah go find some hard right wing views of mine that many if not most prominent liberals don't also support. I'll be waiting.

"Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

We know what you were doing during Rwanda, don't we?

Do you have any idea how long after Rwanda that statement was made?

It's criticism directed at our centers of power. You should be agreeing with it.


"Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

If you look at our illegal unconstitutional support of the UN action in Libya, you would understand that your proposal is meaningless.

I would be honestly interested in seeing how many liberals agree that the US should "Accept the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court and the World Court" after they have been given an explanation of why we don't. Regardless of views on Iraq or Afghanistan, I find it hard to believe that a majority of liberals nevertheless would cede jurisdiction to the ICC and World Court.

At the same time, "Give up the Security Council veto" this is another statement I find difficult to believe a majority of liberals would agree with.

T
 
2012-09-04 02:36:05 AM  

RoyBatty: T


And sometimes F for varying definitions of P.
 
2012-09-04 02:51:38 AM  

RoyBatty: "Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

If you look at our illegal unconstitutional support of the UN action in Libya, you would understand that your proposal is meaningless.


Actually, no it isn't. It's criticism directed at the Security Council, which is made up of the most powerful, and notably, the most destructive countries on the planet. The sentiment suggests that they need to share the power they have, particularly in the cases of countries like the US who profess to have "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."

I find it hard to believe that a majority of liberals nevertheless would cede jurisdiction to the ICC and World Court.

At the same time, "Give up the Security Council veto" this is another statement I find difficult to believe a majority of liberals would agree with.



It's actually common sense.
 
2012-09-04 02:53:35 AM  

whidbey: At the same time, "Give up the Security Council veto" this is another statement I find difficult to believe a majority of liberals would agree with.It's actually common sense.


citation-needed.jpg
 
2012-09-04 02:54:43 AM  

whidbey: Let the UN take the lead in international crises."

whidbey: Actually, no it isn't. It's criticism directed at the Security Council, which is made up of the most powerful, and notably, the most destructive countries on the planet. The sentiment suggests that they need to share the power they have, particularly in the cases of countries like the US who profess to have "a decent respect for the opinion of mankind."

 

Well then I don't understand what you are suggesting -- It's pretty late for me and I'm debugging a stupid program.
 
2012-09-04 02:56:30 AM  

RoyBatty: whidbey: At the same time, "Give up the Security Council veto" this is another statement I find difficult to believe a majority of liberals would agree with.It's actually common sense.

citation-needed.jpg


lol
 
2012-09-04 03:06:01 AM  
G'night.
 
2012-09-04 04:27:50 AM  
Lotta professional level DERP in here, and I am enough of a masochist to try and fix that.

Here comes the history. Israel was indisputably owned by the Jews and there were no territorial questions. You can move a boarder a few miles here or there, but for the most part, its well known. To say otherwise is to deny archeology.

The Romans come in and fight the Jews. The Jews don't give up easily, and when the Roman army gets really pissed over this, they send in an overwhelming force to crush Jewish opposition. Then they get bloodthirsty, and perform genocide. The real kind. The population is devastated because most people were either murdered, or sold into slavery.

Rome falls because of Christianity, and the Eastern Empire continues to exist. There were crusades, holy wars, etc. The Ottoman Empire comes out with possession of Israel. This is up to WWI when the Central Powers lose, and the British take over Israel. The British realize after WWII that they can't maintain their empire anymore, and split their Middle East areas into a few nations. They split Mesopotamia into Iraq and Kuwait, and they split Palestine into 2 parts. One is for Jews and the other for Arabs. The Arabs get Jordan, and the Jews get attacked by all their neighbors. After the Israeli War of Independence, you ended up with a lot of displaced Arabs from the war they started.

So, the Arabs did get their land. Its Jordan. Besides, we never sold our land to the Romans. The Arabs just came and squatted.
 
2012-09-04 04:38:50 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: [www.ynetnews.com image 408x272]

Yeah, because the Palestinians are the only terrorists over there.

Link


Oh my, they spray painted a monastery! The article tells me that the writing says "Jesus is a monkey" and that "The monks appeared very offended by the incident."

I hope they survived the incident.
 
2012-09-04 04:45:53 AM  

Happy Hours: Insatiable Jesus: [www.ynetnews.com image 408x272]

Yeah, because the Palestinians are the only terrorists over there.

Link

Oh my, they spray painted a monastery! The article tells me that the writing says "Jesus is a monkey" and that "The monks appeared very offended by the incident."

I hope they survived the incident.


The Rise of Settler Terrorism: The West Bank's Other Violent Extremists
Foreign Affairs, August 2012
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137825/daniel-byman-and-natan- s achs/the-rise-of-settler-terrorism
 
2012-09-04 04:48:50 AM  
sorry here's the correct link
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/137825/daniel-byman-and-natan- s achs/the-rise-of-settler-terrorism
 
2012-09-04 05:51:16 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Rome falls because of Christianity


denver.mylittlefacewhen.com

Rome didn't fall because of the adoption of a national, monotheistic religion by the Emperor. It fell because of numerous factors - a massive, war-based economy that was rife with corruption, the borders of the nation far outstretching the ability for it to communicate and defend, economic and agricultural failures, and coordinated and numerous attacks on it's major cities by the "savages" outside of Rome - the Huns, vandals, visigoths, and the ostogoths.
 
2012-09-04 07:00:37 AM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: fredklein: RanDomino: fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate?

You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??

Pretty much. You're dealing with extremely irrational people here


I know. But it's fun asking them a simple, easily answered question (whose honest answer would reveal them for who/what they are), and watch them... not answer it.
 
2012-09-04 07:13:32 AM  

BronyMedic: Diogenes The Cynic: Rome falls because of Christianity

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Rome didn't fall because of the adoption of a national, monotheistic religion by the Emperor. It fell because of numerous factors - a massive, war-based economy that was rife with corruption, the borders of the nation far outstretching the ability for it to communicate and defend, economic and agricultural failures, and coordinated and numerous attacks on it's major cities by the "savages" outside of Rome - the Huns, vandals, visigoths, and the ostogoths.


Funny how everything you mentioned happened after Marcus Aurelius died. You have to admit that changing the culture of a nation affects it in a fundamental way. Look at the Eastern Empire. They didn't adopt Christianity, and lasted for hundreds of years longer than Rome.
 
2012-09-04 07:24:36 AM  

Amos Quito: As you read the above, you must remember that liam76 reserves the right to lie through his teeth use "artistic license" when he speaks of other Farkers and what they may or may not believe.

Innat right, liam76.


Me calling you out on your BS theories on Jews and Zionists doesn't mean I lie, also me catching you slipping up and forgetting your "dogwhistle" of zionists when blaming the holocaust on jews doesn't mean I lie.

As for Ran's comments, here is the link where he compares Palestenian terrorists to the ETA. Do you need me to break down the body count for you to?
 
2012-09-04 08:20:18 AM  
Israel, caught up in the ultimate "heads i win tails you lose" with the retards of the world
 
2012-09-04 08:33:19 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: Funny how everything you mentioned happened after Marcus Aurelius died. You have to admit that changing the culture of a nation affects it in a fundamental way. Look at the Eastern Empire. They didn't adopt Christianity, and lasted for hundreds of years longer than Rome.


It was happening LONG before the adoption of Christianity. While the adoption of Christianity, and the forcefulness of such resulted in the discontent and alienation of the native peoples they had assimilated, it was multiple factors including that which lead to the fall. One of the main reasons was the rampant corruption of the Military and Political Officials, coupled with the uncontrolled inflation and currency problems.
 
2012-09-04 08:45:53 AM  
I get it, you romanticize palestine and don't like jews.

Welcome to the U.N.
 
2012-09-04 08:53:39 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: The Arabs just came and squatted.


And then?
 
2012-09-04 09:08:08 AM  
fredklein
You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??

If it means fewer dead in the long run? Hell yes.
Now tell me why Israel is allowed to have that doctrine, but not Palestinians. Why can deescalation only come from Palestinians?


OnlyM3
Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers
islamists attack, and a Jewish person has the audacity to defend themselves and they are wrong for doing so. How dare they not line up quietly like last time.


Oh my god, slingshots. Some of them might cause bruises that could last for days. Will the suffering never cease?


StreetlightInTheGhetto
But how they can't see that marginalizing and demonizing an entire group of people under your control as far as blockades, roadchecks, etc. goes is going to create *more* radicals and is going to be *less* likely to lead to peace

The ones responsible for these things aren't interested in peace.


Standard Deviant
Lots of anti-colonial Americans on Fark, living the good life in America. I guess you should find a country that never colonized anywhere so you can stay above the dirty fray.

150-200 years ago was when those crimes were. To punish anyone alive today is sins of the father. The Israeli ethnic cleansing and theft of Palestinian land is going on right now and the people perpetrating it are still alive, as are the specific individuals who were/are victims of that theft.

No wonder pro-Zionists love to talk about "nations" as if they were giant hive-minds. Makes it harder to pin their crimes on anyone specific and justifies collective punishment.


Oh_Enough_Already
Nearly subhuman murderers

There's no reasoning with a person who thinks like this.


Diogenes The Cynic
So, the Arabs did get their land.

There is no such thing as "The Arabs" or "The Jews". There are individuals. Everyone who was a victim or perpetrator of anything that happened thousands of years ago is DEAD.
 
2012-09-04 09:32:36 AM  

RanDomino: fredklein
You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??

If it means fewer dead in the long run? Hell yes.


It doesn't mean fewer dead.

How farking stupid are you?

hamas isn't going to hit soem magic number of dead Israeli's then call it a day. They will keep killing until there are no more jews or somebody stops them.

But as has already been established you don't think the death of Israeli civilians is the same as the death of civilians from other places, but I am still waiting for your explination on why they are have a lower value.
 
2012-09-04 09:37:12 AM  
Have they tried bacon?
 
2012-09-04 09:48:25 AM  
Bacon would have been much more effective.
 
2012-09-04 09:56:35 AM  

BronyMedic: Diogenes The Cynic: Funny how everything you mentioned happened after Marcus Aurelius died. You have to admit that changing the culture of a nation affects it in a fundamental way. Look at the Eastern Empire. They didn't adopt Christianity, and lasted for hundreds of years longer than Rome.

It was happening LONG before the adoption of Christianity. While the adoption of Christianity, and the forcefulness of such resulted in the discontent and alienation of the native peoples they had assimilated, it was multiple factors including that which lead to the fall. One of the main reasons was the rampant corruption of the Military and Political Officials, coupled with the uncontrolled inflation and currency problems.


Fair enough. I'll concede to multiple factors, with this one not being a primary one.
 
2012-09-04 10:12:02 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Diogenes The Cynic: The Arabs just came and squatted.

And then?


Haha, no no. Those guys were Turks. Totally different group of people, although they must all be "brown people" to you. The Arabs didn't begin wandering in in any large numbers until about 1850. I don't know the exact numbers, but many of the Arabs living in Israel proper, the other half of Jerusalem, Gaza, and the West Bank came in from Jordan only within the last 3 generations or so. Heck, they still travel by Jordanian passports.

Moreover, they came into existing cities. Its probably lost on you, but I know Hebrew fairly well, and a few other Semitic languages moderately well, so when I hear the name of a town in the West Bank with a Hebrew name, I still jolt. Bethlehem means "house of bread", the sale of Hevron is clearly spelled out in the Bible in the same portion where Sarah dies. Jerico, has been continously inhabited, and Nablus is where Shechem used to be.
 
2012-09-04 10:20:54 AM  

Marine1: /it's not religion
//it's stupid people thinking they're being religious


Non sequitur. Stupid people thinking they're being religious is the definition of almost all religions.

Remember everyone is an atheist; It's just that self-acknowledged atheists believe in just one less god.
 
2012-09-04 10:49:08 AM  
The Israelis spray the Palestinians with shiat, in order to justify ethnically cleansing them (to get rid of the shiat of course).

Well played Israel, well played.
 
2012-09-04 10:59:56 AM  

truthexposer: The Israelis spray the Palestinians with shiat, in order to justify ethnically cleansing them (to get rid of the shiat of course).

Well played Israel, well played.


So, palis shoot rockets at schools, israel sprays them with smelly stuff... and yet you claim israel is the ones trying to ethnically cleanse? WOW, huffing paint is noway to go through life son.
 
2012-09-04 11:09:48 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.

Isn't the line that a friend helps you move but a good friend helps you move a body? I think you've got it wrong.


And an even better friend keeps you out of the situation where you have to move a body in the first place. The trick, of course, is being able to distinguish helpful criticism from simple spite...not always easy.
 
2012-09-04 11:16:34 AM  

RoyBatty: StreetlightInTheGhetto: It's easy to do, of course. Especially when you can easily get supplies and money in and out of your territory.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip/yeah , I know html//but you're too lazy to Google, so I'm too lazy to type a href

Sure. From your same link, some how, mysteriously, Israel allows Hamas to have a police force. No one knows why Hamas police can't stop rocket attacks from the parking lots of apartment buildings or hospitals.

Poor Hamas! Leave Hamas alone!


Even most Palestinians think Hamas is evil. And yet, they prefer them to the people WE bankroll over there. Think about that for a minute. 

Now think about how popular 'our guy' Kharzai is in Afghanistan...
 
2012-09-04 11:22:47 AM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7304882/79133434#c79133434" target="_blank">Friction8r</a>:</b> <i>As an impressionable child in 1972, I remember the Olympics in Munich. From that point on, screw 'em. Israelis are industriou and prosperous, and oh yeah - civilized. If the tables were turned, the Palestinians would be full of bloodlust. Stinky goo - deal with it or become peaceful neighbors.</i>

Yep, Munich was an atrocity.
The problem is current Israeli policies seem, to me, to be making MORE terrorists. Or, at least, not farking helping.

And no, I don't pretend to have a magical solution.

I'd say, give the Pals a homeland. We've tried everything else. A REAL homeland, btw, not the half-assed Lesotho-style enclave they offered Arafat.

Guy was a murderous thug, but smart...he wouldn't have lived a year if he'd taken that deal.
 
2012-09-04 11:29:32 AM  

Diogenes The Cynic: although they must all be "brown people" to you.


Thanks for the snark. My notes on you are correct, tea party apologist and troll. 

And you just jumped about 800 years in a few sentences. Time sure flies, in your head.

I'm glad that other Pro-Israelis are smarter than you... because your quasi-religious argument for a Jewish homeland is exactly that -a quasi religious argument. It's not convincing to nonbelievers because it requires belief in Moses, the "chosen people", Ham's curse and biased ie fake archeology.

If you really are going to go back centuries to claim some sort of religious ownership of Israel -then what is to stop someone from making a similar argument about America. That is, that it belongs to the natives -not the people who live here now, but the natives.

A simpler argument and a much more powerful one is that Israel already exists so get over it. ie Stop trying to remove her. Appeals to religion, ancient prophesy, or modern warfare are not convincing arguments to people who are looking for any ridiculous reason to deny Israel's right to exist.
 
2012-09-04 11:32:43 AM  
Palestenians are citizens of what country?
 
2012-09-04 11:34:46 AM  
Let me know when you guys get this worked out.
 
2012-09-04 11:41:30 AM  

I-baLL: Palestenians are citizens of what country?


TransJordan
 
2012-09-04 12:11:38 PM  

Joe Blowme: truthexposer: The Israelis spray the Palestinians with shiat, in order to justify ethnically cleansing them (to get rid of the shiat of course).

Well played Israel, well played.

So, palis shoot rockets at schools, israel sprays them with smelly stuff... and yet you claim israel is the ones trying to ethnically cleanse? WOW, huffing paint is noway to go through life son.


So the policy of expanding settlementsLebensraum has nothing to do with any of this?
 
2012-09-04 12:29:05 PM  
I am through arguing with people about whether or not Israel is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!

/Sorry for shouting.
//The sooner the US cuts the golden umbilical cord the better for both countries.
 
2012-09-04 01:04:23 PM  

Aigoo: SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.

Why do people fight wars? Basically, it's over money; we know that. But what generates money? Land, people, and power.

Sure, they fight them over religion, but that goes straight back to power and money and we all know it.

If you want to be a farktard and imply that basic statement regarding conquest is about the maturity of the human race, then by all means, show your continued lack of understanding regarding the basic nature of wh ...


Entire argument, prima facie, predicated on myth. Dismissed.

Oh... and on your way out, please understand that I pretty much can't stand "the other side" of this little religious argument either.
 
2012-09-04 02:27:49 PM  

qualtrough: I am through arguing with people about whether or not Israel is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!

/Sorry for shouting.
//The sooner the US cuts the golden umbilical cord the better for both countries.


I am through arguing with people about whether or not "Palestine" is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!
 
2012-09-04 02:27:55 PM  

qualtrough: I am through arguing with people about whether or not Israel is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!

/Sorry for shouting.
//The sooner the US cuts the golden umbilical cord the better for both countries.


It is remarkable how many people think welfare is bad for individuals, but somehow good for the foreign countries they approve of...
 
2012-09-04 03:08:13 PM  
why is there an "israel"?

again.
 
2012-09-04 03:20:51 PM  

badaboom: qualtrough: I am through arguing with people about whether or not Israel is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!

/Sorry for shouting.
//The sooner the US cuts the golden umbilical cord the better for both countries.

I am through arguing with people about whether or not "Palestine" is right or wrong about all the things they do. I JUST DON'T WANT MY TAX DOLLARS PAYING FOR IT ANYMORE!


Indeed. There are all kinds of countries doing morally-ambiguous stuff -- as long as I'm not funding it, I only care if they get *really* out of hand.
 
2012-09-04 06:08:58 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

You do realize that disagreeing with one side does not necessarily mean agreement with the other, right? .


I really don't think he does.
 
2012-09-04 09:12:12 PM  

I-baLL: Palestenians are citizens of what country?


whyismyblogat.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-04 10:46:54 PM  
Amos Quito, I really do agree with you that it's an absolute tragedy that the Palestinians are citizens of a Palestine that can peacefully coexist with its neighbor Israel.

And not a day goes by that I don't hope for, wish, pray, and do what I can to make it so that the Palestinians can peacefully coexist with its neighbor Israel.

So I am sure we both agree on that.
 
2012-09-05 12:34:31 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Diogenes The Cynic: although they must all be "brown people" to you.

Thanks for the snark. My notes on you are correct, tea party apologist and troll. 

And you just jumped about 800 years in a few sentences. Time sure flies, in your head.

I'm glad that other Pro-Israelis are smarter than you... because your quasi-religious argument for a Jewish homeland is exactly that -a quasi religious argument. It's not convincing to nonbelievers because it requires belief in Moses, the "chosen people", Ham's curse and biased ie fake archeology.

If you really are going to go back centuries to claim some sort of religious ownership of Israel -then what is to stop someone from making a similar argument about America. That is, that it belongs to the natives -not the people who live here now, but the natives.

A simpler argument and a much more powerful one is that Israel already exists so get over it. ie Stop trying to remove her. Appeals to religion, ancient prophesy, or modern warfare are not convincing arguments to people who are looking for any ridiculous reason to deny Israel's right to exist.


Don't take this the wrong way, but fark you for calling me a tea partier. I never have been, or ever will be a conservative because I have a fully functioning brain. If you want to stick any philosophy onto me, you can call me a classical liberal.

Also, it did seem as if you conflated Arabs and Turks up above. You had that snark coming.

As far as the religious aspect of my argument goes, you can take it or leave it. I am an Orthodox Jew, and I do believe in the Bible. But even if you don't, you'll still realize the Romans did attack us, and sell us into slavery. They themselves wrote about it. Out of the 4 times the Romans lost their silver eagle standards (Carrhae, Cannae, Teutoborg) one was in Israel when a legion was ambushed and completely wiped out. Its in their records.

You can't deny the historical proofs from outside of the Bible is what I'm saying. If you want to see the borders of Israel, you can find the places they have found prutas (cheap coins) and if you want proof they actually exist, you can buy them off of ebay. And its not like we went in and built our Temple out from under their mosque. That would be an absurd position. They came in later. The years of construction are well documented. Place names haven't been changed for hundreds of years, and it can be proven through ancient maps. Are you going to deny that Jerusalem isn't where it always was? That Bethlehem changed its place? That Jericho was a convenient name for a city that inexplicably had damaged walls?

America does belong to the natives. It was stolen. Are you going to deny that?

As to what we should to with the Arabs, remains a pretty good question. We can't just send them back home because they would be slaughtered. For all the hyperbole about "the evil Joos" committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, what have you, the other Arabs wouldn't hesitate to commit honest to G-d genocide. They've tried it before a few times in the refugee camps in their own countries. So these people got to have their own country, contiguous borders, etc. I see land-swaps as the one viable option.
 
2012-09-05 07:21:10 AM  

RanDomino: fredklein
You would have them get hit by missiles and do nothing? Have people die, and do nothing? Stand there and take it and ... do absolutely nothing??

If it means fewer dead in the long run? Hell yes.


Please explain how can allowing deaths... lead to fewer deaths? Should the police allow mass murderers to roam freely, in order to reduce the number of deaths?? Should the USA have allowed Osama to continue terrorist activities... to reduce deaths??

Now tell me why Israel is allowed to have that doctrine, but not Palestinians. Why can deescalation only come from Palestinians?

Because they are the ones who start the cycle.

1) Toss missiles at Israel,.
2) Israel shoots back
3) Cry out how horrible Israel is for shooting back
4) Goto 1.

If Israel tries to stop the loop (by not shooting back), then the loop sticks at 1, and they just get more missiles thrown at them. The only way to truly stop it is to stop it at 1- not throw missiles at Israel to begin with.
 
2012-09-05 10:11:05 AM  
fredklein
Please explain how can allowing deaths... lead to fewer deaths?

Stop giving them something to want revenge over. If the Palestinians are allowed to have a vibrant economy (imagine an oil pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Gaza), they'll spend their time and money buying cars and forget all about the holy war.

Because they are the ones who start the cycle.
If Israel tries to stop the loop (by not shooting back), then the loop sticks at 1, and they just get more missiles thrown at them.


Palestinians are just violent because it's their nature, right? No other reason at all? They just hate Jews because of genetics! Of course, it's so obvious. Living under a crushing military occupation has nothing to do with it. I mean, if I was living in fear and humiliating conditions with no real rights or hope, I certainly wouldn't be upset at all, personally.
 
2012-09-05 10:35:37 AM  

RanDomino: Stop giving them something to want revenge over. If the Palestinians are allowed to have a vibrant economy (imagine an oil pipeline from Saudi Arabia to Gaza), they'll spend their time and money buying cars and forget all about the holy war.


You might want to check ont he economic status in Palesstien compared to the surrounding muslim countries.

Pay particular attantion to just prior to the second intafada and prior to the Gaza pullout. they did have a good, and growing economy. They shut off the possibility of working in Israel with the second intafada, and they crippled their economic growth after the Gaza pullout by trashing instead of using the stuff left behind and by decidng to use the removal of settlers as an excuse to start showering rockets.
 
2012-09-05 01:44:07 PM  

RanDomino: Palestinians are just violent because it's their nature, right? No other reason at all?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict#Pal e stinian_incitement
"...the official Palestinian Authority Mufti in Jerusalem publicly read out an Islamic hadith that says killing Jews will speed up the redemption..."
"Following the Itamar massacre and a bombing in Jerusalem, 27 US senators sent a letter requesting the US Secretary of State to identify the administration's steps to end Palestinian incitement to violence against Jews and Israel that was occurring within the "Palestinian media, mosques and schools, and even by individuals or institutions affiliated with the Palestinian Authority.""
(Oh, and itamar?- "The Itamar attack,... was an attack on a Jewish family in the Israeli settlement of Itamar in the West Bank that took place on 11 March 2011, in which five members of the same family were murdered in their beds....
Amjad Awad and Hakim Awad, two young Palestinian men from the village of Awarta, were arrested for the murders. ...they initially denied any involvement in the attack but later proudly confessed to the killings, expressed no remorse and reenacted the attack before security officials.")
"Media watchdog, Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), reported in June 2012 that the Palestinian media continually demonizes Israel and Jews and derogates Jewish history. They stated that the Palestinian children are being taught hatred and violence against Jews and Israelis and that only 7 percent of Palestinian teenagers accept Israel's right to exist."
"Children in a Gaza kindergarten were dressed up in uniforms of the armed wing of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad organisation. They received a toy rifles and chanted anti-Israeli slogans."
"a children's magazine sponsored by the Palestinian Authority that commended Hitler's killing of Jews"

...so, yeah.
 
2012-09-05 03:11:56 PM  
There are commenters in these threads, who I see in many of these threads, that I really just want to thank. You have better memories than I do. You have a better grasp of the issues. You write well. And you will stand up again and again and again against the tides of hatred.

So thank you.
 
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