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2012-09-03 11:13:13 AM  
I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.
 
2012-09-03 11:19:57 AM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


Well, those are the only options, so...
 
2012-09-03 11:30:08 AM  
Well, how else are the going to learn?
 
2012-09-03 11:44:14 AM  
Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?
 
2012-09-03 11:48:21 AM  

Shostie: Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?


I prefer white phosphorus. That way you don't miss them at night
 
2012-09-03 11:50:04 AM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


From this goo - the new plague will arise.
 
2012-09-03 12:14:51 PM  
Well, they're going to attack Palestinians no matter what, so at least this is nonlethal.
 
2012-09-03 12:51:20 PM  
Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?
 
2012-09-03 02:04:25 PM  
Palestinian superpowers in 3, 2....
 
2012-09-03 02:54:54 PM  
"The Palestinians are revolting!"

"You said it, they stink on ice."
 
2012-09-03 03:02:02 PM  
Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:15 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 03:07:22 PM  
So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.
 
2012-09-03 03:12:31 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


Yes, because it really is that simple.
 
2012-09-03 03:15:34 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.
 
2012-09-03 03:17:52 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


*pokes at matzohs* OMG PU

I thought these were unleavened?!
 
2012-09-03 03:19:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Well that justifies the original occupation then. I stand corrected.

And what of the non-violent means of protest?
 
2012-09-03 03:23:33 PM  

St_Francis_P: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.


Once you soak a Muslim Palestinian, it becomes halal sh*t.
 
2012-09-03 03:24:13 PM  

doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?


Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)
 
2012-09-03 03:25:01 PM  
Just wait until they find out that "goo" is former Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 03:28:36 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.

My point is that none of this will ever be resolved unless both sides admit that no one is innocent....and then it probably still won't. We'll just keep kicking this can down the road until an actual genocide occurs and then the winner will be "right" because God will have made them the victor.
 
2012-09-03 03:49:19 PM  

doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?
 
2012-09-03 03:54:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman, [1] I picture a person sublimely satisfied with using a rhetorical fallacy as a diversionary tactic that does nothing to answer the original point. 

The sharply bizarre thing, is how many times I've seen this Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman argument.
 
2012-09-03 03:56:11 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


You do realize that disagreeing with one side does not necessarily mean agreement with the other, right? My point is that multiple religious claims on a given piece of land can only mean that it will be soaked in blood until one side becomes virtually extinct from that place. This is no endorsement. It is my display of disgust with claims based on the idea that god told your ancestors a given area was "yours."

And you're conflating the whole "god" and native American thing. YOU brought up the Indians, not me. And genocide does not mean complete extermination. IF it did, why are there still Jews?

My proposal is that we don't PICK SIDES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S FRARKING HOLY MANDATE!

What's yours? I can only guess.
 
2012-09-03 03:57:14 PM  
The other part of it is the us/them cleavage, where the person (from profile Eric\Location: UMass) sees them as Americans. Does this person's passport reflect that?
 
2012-09-03 03:59:28 PM  

doyner: YOU brought up the Indians


He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque.
Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.
 
2012-09-03 04:02:26 PM  

Party Boy: Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman


I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.
 
2012-09-03 04:02:37 PM  

Party Boy: doyner: YOU brought up the Indians

He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque. Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.


I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.

There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.
 
2012-09-03 04:04:35 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?


It is to internalize that Israel's problem is OUR problem. I don't recall the US getting a lot of help with the "Indian Problem."
 
2012-09-03 04:04:50 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.


Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?
 
2012-09-03 04:06:27 PM  

doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.


RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.
 
2012-09-03 04:07:40 PM  

Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?


I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.
 
2012-09-03 04:09:06 PM  

doyner: I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.


I'm not saying you defended.

doyner: There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.


Yep.

The analog is supremely farked. The minute the Israelis point to disease that killed up to 95% of the population that people werent aware they were carrying in a virgin field epidemic [1] , let me know. its designed to threadshiat.
 
2012-09-03 04:09:23 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.


So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.
 
2012-09-03 04:10:08 PM  
Because People in power are Stupid: I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Are you a US citizen?
 
2012-09-03 04:10:56 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.


SPLITTERS
 
2012-09-03 04:11:03 PM  
font tags cut off the italics tags.
 
2012-09-03 04:11:47 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.


To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.
 
2012-09-03 04:12:47 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.


What would you propose as a more final solution?
 
2012-09-03 04:18:22 PM  
Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Are you a US citizen?

Straight up yes or no question.
 
2012-09-03 04:19:27 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?


Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.
 
2012-09-03 04:21:04 PM  

Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.


It is none of your business.
 
2012-09-03 04:24:01 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.


Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.
 
2012-09-03 04:24:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


Classy.
 
2012-09-03 04:25:05 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: It is none of your business.


Gotcha.
 
2012-09-03 04:25:46 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.


LOL. Score one for Party Boy.
 
2012-09-03 04:26:22 PM  

doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.


As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.
 
2012-09-03 04:26:57 PM  

St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.


It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.
 
2012-09-03 04:28:36 PM  
I also noticed that with this Pro-Palestinian lot -that the personal attacks fly a little bit sooner than even the most heated left-wing/right-wing discussions. (And I should know).
 
2012-09-03 04:29:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.


You bring the American Indian, I bring Hitler. it's the Chicago way.
 
2012-09-03 04:29:52 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.
 
2012-09-03 04:30:00 PM  
Talk about lack of balance.
 
2012-09-03 04:35:20 PM  

St_Francis_P: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.


"Our" thinking?

That is a fallacy at best. Stupid at worst, and most likely nationalistic.
 
2012-09-03 04:37:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

When you are trying to influence our thinking about foreign policy, it's quite germane.

"Our" thinking?

That is a fallacy at best. Stupid at worst, and most likely nationalistic.


Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent is nationalistic? That just sounds prudent.
 
2012-09-03 04:39:16 PM  
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^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|
 
2012-09-03 04:40:31 PM  

St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent


Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.
 
2012-09-03 04:42:05 PM  

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^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|


I already answered this dufus.

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.

 
2012-09-03 04:42:39 PM  
So, it makes the Palestinians smell better then?
 
2012-09-03 04:44:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: perceived bias


*snort*
 
2012-09-03 04:44:42 PM  

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.


So, it's basically a food product?
 
2012-09-03 04:45:30 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.


...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.
 
2012-09-03 04:52:21 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: Really? Knowing which nation's interests you represent

Like I said -stupid.

In the marketplace of ideas just merely call me on my ideas rather than on a perceived bias. I don't represent any nations interests but rather my own.

...and Israel. Unless those are your own interests too.


And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.
 
2012-09-03 04:55:05 PM  
Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.
 
2012-09-03 05:01:17 PM  

Generation_D: Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.


Yeah, and all Palestinians view all Israelis as legitimate land owners.
 
2012-09-03 05:05:22 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)


this this and ONLY THIS
Every single nation on the planet exists today on the land of previous nations.

So the idea that Israel has less of a claim to its land is completely and totally false.
Even if we ignore sovereignty claims and just focus on property rights.
Have all the muslim countries decided to give the land, buildings and property that they stole back to the jews? All the jews who were living in iran, iraq, morocco (I am sure that the list includes every muslim country).

These countries kicked the jews out and stole the property.
WHY arent they giving that back? They are concerned about fairness right??

no?? fark EVERYONE
sucks, but you are not getting your shiat back. ever.

/funny how the same people who think the jews should leave israel, refuse to leave america.
 
2012-09-03 05:06:31 PM  
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"Okay, that's it. Now neither of you get to own the land. How do you feel now?"
 
2012-09-03 05:07:37 PM  
Come on in folks, to the dumbest Israeli thread to date!
 
2012-09-03 05:08:37 PM  
So they're improving the odor of your average Palestinian? Why the outrage?
 
2012-09-03 05:08:39 PM  
I guess people who post on message boards are stupid too.
 
2012-09-03 05:08:54 PM  
So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.
 
2012-09-03 05:09:59 PM  

gadian: So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.


An armband, perhaps?
 
2012-09-03 05:11:10 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: gadian: So, they're marking the Palestinians so that they can be easily identified in a crowd? You'd think an article of clothing or something would be more efficient.

An armband, perhaps?


Maybe some sort of headwear.
 
2012-09-03 05:12:06 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?
 
2012-09-03 05:12:06 PM  
So? How is that going to be worse than Moslems already smell?
 
2012-09-03 05:12:35 PM  
Setting aside the twisted politics of the entire situation this does seem a rather effective dispersal and deterrent tool. Things that REALLY break up groups of people and motivate them to avoid further confrontation without risking actual injury are tough to come by.
 
2012-09-03 05:13:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


You don't say much my friend, but when you do it's to the point, and I salute you for it.
 
2012-09-03 05:14:08 PM  
I guess if the people throwing rocks complain about the goo, they can accomodate them with bullets.
 
2012-09-03 05:15:06 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?


Putting stinky water on rioters who represent a faction that is shooting homemade rockets at a foreign country? That's not bad, that's forgivable.
 
2012-09-03 05:15:08 PM  
Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.
 
2012-09-03 05:16:37 PM  
"Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face.""

So they are improving the smell of Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 05:17:16 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Because Yahweh.
 
2012-09-03 05:17:19 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


What, and ruin all of these years of frustration?

/it's not religion
//it's stupid people thinking they're being religious
 
2012-09-03 05:17:31 PM  

Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)
Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman, [1] I picture a person sublimely satisfied with using a rhetorical fallacy as a diversionary tactic that does nothing to answer the original point. 

The sharply bizarre thing, is how many times I've seen this Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman argument.


While at a strict propositional logic level To Quoque is a fallacy, in a discussion and dialogue it is not necessarily a fallacy and can be very enlightening.

It can help:

Point out hypocrisy and agendas
Help everyone understand a current problem in terms of other, well known problems
Raise historical questions that participants may be ignorant about
Broaden a discussion and so broaden a possible solution space
Help each side understand the nuances involved and that neither side is strictly good or strictly bad
Raise other possible historical solutions to what seems to be an intractable problem
 
2012-09-03 05:17:45 PM  

serial_crusher: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

So, it's basically a food product?


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//Grrr...you beat me to it.
 
2012-09-03 05:18:10 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Gyrfalcon: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

So they get to be bad because the Palestinians are worse?

Putting stinky water on rioters who represent a faction that is shooting homemade rockets at a foreign country? That's not bad, that's forgivable.


So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.

You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)
 
2012-09-03 05:18:38 PM  
I think there are maybe 7 to 12 people in the country outside NYC and DC that really give two shiats about Israel and the middle east. I'm certainly not one of them.
 
2012-09-03 05:20:08 PM  
So the Israelis continue herding people into ghettos, confiscating their property and marking them. Sounds familiar.
 
2012-09-03 05:20:16 PM  
What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?
 
2012-09-03 05:20:36 PM  
I get it, I get it. Israeli's aren't all racist - just the ones that signed up to Fark. Gotcha!
 
2012-09-03 05:20:55 PM  
For the army, skunk, and a less-used, focused noise beam called "scream", are proof of defense minister's Ehud Barak's claim that Israel's is "the most moral army in the world", pioneering non-lethal weapons.


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2012-09-03 05:21:30 PM  

Gyrfalcon: shutting down a demonstration,

A riot yes.

The UC OWS protesters do not make homemade explosives attach them to rockets and shoot them at Mexico. The day that happens is the day that I approve of putting some stinky water on them too.
 
2012-09-03 05:22:21 PM  

St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?


The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.
 
2012-09-03 05:23:04 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Basically because early Islam was fighting some dudes and Mohammed told the Jews in a town "come fight for me or else" and the Jews weren't willing to basically endorse Islam by fighting on their side. Mohammed got pissed that the Jews wouldn't take orders, and that's when Islam vs Judaism happened.

The arrogance of Mohammed makes modern douchebags look well adjusted.
 
2012-09-03 05:23:32 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: St. Celery: What are the Israelis blackmailing us with? What other group of genocidal, delusional psychopaths have we been bankrolling ( with zero return ) to the tune of billions of dollars a year for over half a century? And how can any Jew even feign respect for what Israel does?

The US is run by Jews. Israel is a Jewish state, therefore the US supports Israel.


Dat's
Extremely
Realistic and
Perceptive.
 
2012-09-03 05:24:14 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)


I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.


There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.
 
2012-09-03 05:24:38 PM  
Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant. The more unpleasant the better, because that makes them more deterring.
 
2012-09-03 05:25:20 PM  
And when you put your hand, in a pile of goo, that used to be your friend. Well, you'll know what to do.
 
2012-09-03 05:25:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?


As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.
 
2012-09-03 05:26:28 PM  

KeelingLovesCornholes: The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?

As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.


Both sides are bad, so vote Atahualpa?
 
2012-09-03 05:27:06 PM  
I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.
 
2012-09-03 05:27:16 PM  
Is this intended to improve their smell?
 
2012-09-03 05:27:31 PM  
Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.
 
2012-09-03 05:28:00 PM  
I used to be an Israel fan, but I think I'm just gonna stick to baseball from now on.

/go A's
 
2012-09-03 05:28:59 PM  
I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.
 
2012-09-03 05:29:13 PM  
Maybe it's soylent green.

Besides, waiting on tats to give us the Jewish slurve ball explanation for this shats and giggles.
 
2012-09-03 05:30:19 PM  
They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?
 
2012-09-03 05:30:37 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.


Yep.
 
2012-09-03 05:30:41 PM  

RoyBatty: Gyrfalcon: So because one group has attacked Israel in the past, that's perfect justification for shutting down a demonstration, gotcha.You approved of the pepper spraying of the UC Davis demonstrators, didn't you? (After all, Occupy protestors had damaged property in other cities, so therefore use of force in that case was entirely justified, by your logic)

I thought the analogy it incidents pretty long in the past was a stretch, but, unlike Occupy this doesn't seem to have been a peaceful protest.

Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

The soldiers form a phalanx around their curious weapon of war.

"We run away fast when it comes at us, but we don't quit," said a local boy clutching a rock, his dark eyes framed by the oval opening of a black t-shirt wrapped around his face.

There are also other times when there are "peaceful" protests called at various fences and checkpoints across Israel, but the protests are called for having so many people come knock down the fences that I think it does form a reasonable threat to Israel. Not sure if "skunk" is used then or not.

I don't know enough about skunk to know enough about skunk to judge it.

It seems much less dangerous than our microwave anti-crowd devices, and perhaps more dangerous than our acoustic anti-crowd devices, and less dangerous than shooting rubber bullets and stuff like that.


My question then becomes: Why aren't we using it?

Here's the MSDS. Link Apparently it is also a skin/eye irritant and possible gastric irritant as well, if swallowed.
 
2012-09-03 05:31:11 PM  
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Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?
 
2012-09-03 05:31:55 PM  
The best defense is a good offense. Every other country in the region wants genocide on Israel. I can't completely agree with everything they do, but this plan stinks.
 
2012-09-03 05:32:04 PM  

gimmegimme: KeelingLovesCornholes: The My Little Pony Killer: Are they doing this from the safety of all those homes they stole from said Palestinians?

As noted by those who did the same thing to the Native Americans.

Both sides are bad, so vote Atahualpa?


Everyone gets to be bad until we've all been equally bad to everyone, and then we can talk about behaving a little better.

Once everyone has committed a genocide, for instance, then we can talk about not doing genocides anymore.
 
2012-09-03 05:32:27 PM  
How 'bout a preemptive strike with goo?
 
2012-09-03 05:32:46 PM  
I love when Israel acts like its oppressors of old.

Classy.
 
2012-09-03 05:33:41 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.


The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.
 
2012-09-03 05:33:55 PM  

serial_crusher: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

So, it's basically a food product?


Perhaps, but not a kosher one. Contains yeast.
 
2012-09-03 05:34:47 PM  

Gyrfalcon: My question then becomes: Why aren't we using it?


Don't give them any ideas....

And the lobbyists from General Dynamics / Lockheed / ... pay out military and Congress not to use Israeli anti-crowd measures that would deprive General Dynamics / Lockheed / ... of military industrial complex dollars.

Here's the MSDS. Link Apparently it is also a skin/eye irritant and possible gastric irritant as well, if swallowed.

Probably. I am not a doctor, but to me it still seems safer than the microwave devices. I find it incredible those things could be safe.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:06 PM  

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


I guess Israel started taking notes from Nazi Germany.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:40 PM  

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.


This.

Subby's an idjit.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:51 PM  

jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?


You are so right.

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Or maybe not.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:59 PM  
Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.
 
2012-09-03 05:36:59 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Until someone invents a "sleep-ray", non-lethal deterrents will be unpleasant.


A sleep ray:

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Probably still unpleasant.
 
2012-09-03 05:37:01 PM  
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/should be oblig, but one of their more obscure ones.
 
2012-09-03 05:37:12 PM  
Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?
 
2012-09-03 05:37:34 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.


Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.
 
2012-09-03 05:38:10 PM  
Right or wrong we can at least agree that the Palestinians are smelly group right?
 
2012-09-03 05:38:50 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.


Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....
 
2012-09-03 05:39:20 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Are must be in power.
 
2012-09-03 05:39:55 PM  

nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are You must be in power.

 
2012-09-03 05:40:42 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.


Pretty much this.

Israel: Hey, stop shooting at us!
Palestinians: No! We want our own land.
Israel: Ok, fine. Here you go.
Palestinians: Ha, Ha! Suckers!
Israel: Hey, stop shooting at us!

Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.
 
2012-09-03 05:41:15 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Or maybe not.


Geee, kids throwing rocks at tanks are exactly like kids kicking an old woman.

Both sides are BAD!
 
2012-09-03 05:41:22 PM  
Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers.

Throwing stones solves nothing, but what's the point of these assholes seizing wells from Palestinian villages?

Oh right, ethnic cleansing.
 
2012-09-03 05:42:32 PM  
so basically israel is flinging their hummus at protesters?

worst hummus on the planet.
 
2012-09-03 05:42:32 PM  
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2012-09-03 05:43:01 PM  

CygnusDarius: RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?

I guess Israel started taking notes from Nazi Germany.


This really is the height of Israeli criticism, isn't it?

"LOL the Jews are just like the Nazis, get it!"

Awesome
 
2012-09-03 05:43:08 PM  

Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....


I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:54 PM  

nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are must be in power.


Retard.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:57 PM  
WizardofToast
The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.

bears bears bears bears bears bears bears bears bears
 
2012-09-03 05:44:41 PM  

jaytkay: Because People in power are Stupid: Or maybe not.

Geee, kids throwing rocks at tanks are exactly like kids kicking an old woman.

!


No, throwing rocks at armed soldiers.
 
2012-09-03 05:44:47 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.


Stop making sense. You are going to ruin everything.  ;-)
 
2012-09-03 05:45:03 PM  

OgreMagi: Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


Hey, be careful. This is FARK.COM. We don't need you facting up the place with logic and reason. You're supposed to hate Israel because zomg they use non-lethal weapons on poor innocent terrorists, the bastards.
 
2012-09-03 05:45:46 PM  
Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom
This really is the height of Israeli criticism, isn't it?

Ignore the criticism based in reality, claim the insanely idiotic one is the sum of the other side's arguments. Thanks.
 
2012-09-03 05:46:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.


Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't support Iran. I, an American, support the US not being involved in someone else's holy struggle.
 
2012-09-03 05:47:54 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: "LOL the Jews are just like the Nazis, get it!"


Netanyahu's own nephew has called Israel an apartheid state.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:28 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.



In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:41 PM  
OgreMagi
Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone.

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Why do I have to keep posting this


doglover
poor innocent terrorists

Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.
 
2012-09-03 05:49:09 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: And you represent Iran's interests, but I'm not actually calling you on it.

Your reading comprehension is lacking. I don't support Iran. I, an American, support the US not being involved in someone else's holy struggle.


Right, I got that you are an "American". However, by not standing by our middle-eastern ally supports Iran in the same way that I am "supporting" Israel.

Do you get it?
 
2012-09-03 05:49:27 PM  
You would think that the IDF would realize that by discouraging picketing by the Palestinians they are in effecting encouraging flat out sabotage and terrorism by the Palestinians.
/shortsighted nationalists say what
 
2012-09-03 05:50:26 PM  

OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.
 
2012-09-03 05:50:43 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.


In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!
 
2012-09-03 05:50:45 PM  

Crotchrocket Slim: You would think that the IDF would realize that by discouraging picketing by the Palestinians they are in effecting encouraging flat out sabotage and terrorism by the Palestinians.


Pretty much this. Granted if Rabin hadn't been assassinated we likely aren't having this issue now.
 
2012-09-03 05:51:52 PM  

olddinosaur: The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible,


Except for the tiny detail of taking more and more Palestinian land and insisting on everything from day one being done on their terms.
 
2012-09-03 05:52:36 PM  

RanDomino: Keizer_Ghidorah
the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud

Excuses. It's not about religion. It's about land. People change their religion for reasons of land, money, or politics (but with the ultimate reason being land and/or money) all the time. Religion is just something people hide behind.

Come on, what really motivates people- the idea that a magic sky wizard is going to make you live forever after you die, or the much more provable promise that you're going to be economically successful enough to attract/buy a mate that you can have lots of sex with? People think with their genitals. Religion is just what they tell each other.


Felgraf: Keizer_Ghidorah: Of course, everyone over there could grow up, throw away the religions causing them to continue a retarded blood feud that will have no ending, and live happily ever after.

Yes, because if their religions magically vanished overnight, this feud would be ended via pixiedust and magical rainbows.

People have been fighting over land for a f*cking long time. And even if religion vanishes, they'll each still consider it 'home', so, no. The conflict would not disappear. Hell, they still have a very, very convenient way of thinking of the groups as an 'other' (NOT OUR COUNTRY). Nationalism would just replace religion (though I'd argue it sort of already HAS in this case).

Sorry, human nature sucks sometimes.


This all started because they all think they're God's special chosen people and that that's the Promised Land given from God to his most special people. Other factors came in later, but the starter was "God said we're the best and this is ours, so beat it!".
 
2012-09-03 05:54:26 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?


This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.
 
2012-09-03 05:54:54 PM  
Someone lefter than me: Palestinian-sided comment


Israel-sided comment.
 
2012-09-03 05:56:18 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.


This is not about who stole land from whom! This is about making sure Armageddon starts as soon as possible. Why don't you want to go to Heaven and let the Jews start their process of perfecting themselves so they can go to Heaven, too?
 
2012-09-03 05:57:26 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: This all started because they all think they're God's special chosen people and that that's the Promised Land given from God to his most special people. Other factors came in later, but the starter was "God said we're the best and this is ours, so beat it!".


That's not how Jews interpret "chosen people" but I realize you're on a roll, tell us more about the Germans at Pearl.
 
2012-09-03 05:57:37 PM  

One Bad Apple: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

SPLITTERS


You win the thread.
 
2012-09-03 05:58:07 PM  

stonelotus: so basically israel is flinging their hummus at protesters?

worst hummus on the planet.


Wait...you mean Sabra? Now those are fighting words!
 
2012-09-03 06:00:10 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.

In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!


You haven't made a cogent point all thread.
 
2012-09-03 06:01:49 PM  
I bet they smell better now.
 
2012-09-03 06:02:45 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: This article is not about some mythical homeland. It is about actual houses that Palestinians were forcibly removed from in the past 20 years, so please quit trying to compare the 2.


RTFA

The protest is about the Spring and not about dwellings.
 
2012-09-03 06:05:11 PM  

machodonkeywrestler: Because People in power are Stupid: Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.


In other words, I am an Israeli shill, giving it all I've got to an American audience, influencing and manipulating the sugar daddy.

In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

Great way to lose an argument!

You haven't made a cogent point all thread.


Because you are reading this from Iran and the state sponsored filtering software has removed all legible words other than "Death to Israel"?
 
2012-09-03 06:05:57 PM  

RanDomino: Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.



There's a number of unguided rockets you can launch at civilian targets before you're the terrorists: 0.

Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

QED.
 
2012-09-03 06:06:15 PM  

OgreMagi: Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.


Why are people so keen on the Palestinians having a country? You know, they're not exactly a sympathetic lot. I'll set aside the suicide bombing... how's LGBT rights in Palestine? How's religious freedom? How do they act with regards to political protest? Freedom of the press? Freedom of association? Freedom of property ownership (death if you sell land to Jews)? Freedom of religion? How does the government act with regards to honor killings?
 
2012-09-03 06:06:20 PM  
Oh for fark's sake, they aren't Palestinians! They're Arabs!

/Nazsim! Amidoinitrite?
 
2012-09-03 06:06:32 PM  

WizardofToast: Fluorescent Testicle: I don't understand why everybody seems to be convinced that they have to pick a side here. Why can't we all admit that Israel and Palestine are both acting like spoiled children? Spoiled children with large guns, but spoiled children nonetheless.

The government leaders of both sides and their more religious faction wants to destroy the other for what they claim to be the greater good. The people for both sides are sick of the shiat and just want their own space and to be left alone.


I have long suspected this ... it's the case in our local equivalent of Northern Ireland, where 90% of the populace would cheerfully string up every active member of both the PIRA and the UVF without a tear. The settlers and the stone throwing youths are like the Orange and Republican marchers.

The difference is that government forces here are controlled by reasonable, cooperating adults in Dublin and London rather than the childish sociopathic jingoists that hold sway in Israel and Palestine. The jingoistic cheering from the sidelines by the uninvolved (Tehran and Brooklyn) is similarly unhelpful.
 
2012-09-03 06:07:46 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 620x132]

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

I already answered this dufus.


You replied with "It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?" as a 'clarification' to "Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives."

You *weren't* asking for a solution to the specific problem being argued; you were clearly trying to point to "Well you guys did bad thing X" as a diversionary tactic. Just own up that you committed the fallacy; is it that damaging to your ego?

/christ, i've been guilty of using tu quoque a bunch of times
//we're all guilty of using the tactic every now and then
///but when called on it, damn, admit it
//btw you forgot the comma before dufus, so...
/*cough*
 
2012-09-03 06:11:53 PM  
"shiat"

Palestinians call it simply "shiat."

hahahahah
 
2012-09-03 06:12:18 PM  
Have we proved Iran is providing the rocks?
 
2012-09-03 06:12:57 PM  
It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!
 
2012-09-03 06:13:11 PM  
Jews still want to milk that holocaust for all it's worth with a straight face huh ?

When you act just like the nazis you look like an asshole whining about what the nazis did to you.
 
2012-09-03 06:13:33 PM  

gameshowhost: Because People in power are Stupid: gameshowhost: [i48.tinypic.com image 620x132]

^ is not a tu quoque? sweet. let's make up new definitions for everything. :|

I already answered this dufus.

You replied with "It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?" as a 'clarification' to "Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives."

You *weren't* asking for a solution to the specific problem being argued; you were clearly trying to point to "Well you guys did bad thing X" as a diversionary tactic. Just own up that you committed the fallacy; is it that damaging to your ego?

/christ, i've been guilty of using tu quoque a bunch of times
//we're all guilty of using the tactic every now and then
///but when called on it, damn, admit it
//btw you forgot the comma before dufus, so...
/*cough*


You omitted the part where I admit that it's a Tu Quoque fallacy:

Because People in power are Stupid: But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.



So you are committing the fallacy of Cherry Picking. Why don't you just admit it?
 
2012-09-03 06:13:40 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.


There is no arguing with the zealot.
 
2012-09-03 06:13:58 PM  
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"Sacre bleu! Zis is not what my fragrant scent is meant for,monsieurs!"
 
2012-09-03 06:14:21 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Because People in power are Stupid: In other words, you have no rational argument for what you believe and have to resort to name calling.

There is no arguing with the zealot.


Which is why no one is arguing with you.
 
2012-09-03 06:16:07 PM  
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2012-09-03 06:17:22 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: You omitted the part where I admit that it's a Tu Quoque fallacy:


My bad, then. Dufus maloofus.
 
2012-09-03 06:18:51 PM  

jmr61: I think there are maybe 7 to 12 people in the country outside NYC and DC that really give two shiats about Israel and the middle east. I'm certainly not one of them.


And yet we all pay $$$ to keep their dirty war going perpetually. Obama's the first American president who hasn't given Israel a blank check. It is no wonder the Right in America and the pro-israeli lobby wants him gone.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:04 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.


Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:07 PM  

jack21221: I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.


Yeah, maybe all the people here making jokes about how Palestinians smell might want to consider how much of their water is stolen by the Israelis.
 
2012-09-03 06:19:09 PM  
Screw Israel. All they do is get us deeper in debt and even more hated by arabs. Cut their billions in foreign aid and they'll start playing nice. Or nicer, at least.
 
2012-09-03 06:22:28 PM  

conjecture and hearsay: Can't we just acknowledge that both sides are terribly annoying and carry on about our business?


Not as long as we fund one side, $ 3 billion or so a year. And the other side gets propped up with money we spend for petroleum to Saudi Arabia.
 
2012-09-03 06:23:00 PM  

Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.


Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.
 
2012-09-03 06:23:04 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Right, I got that you are an "American". However, by not standing by our middle-eastern ally supports Iran in the same way that I am "supporting" Israel.

Do you get it?


So if an ally does something wrong we're supposed to stand by them no matter what, huh?
 
2012-09-03 06:23:11 PM  
Two questions.

1. Does it come with matzoh balls?

2. If so, are they floaters or sinkers? This is important.
 
2012-09-03 06:25:31 PM  
Hmm, wonder if they've tried tomatoes.
 
2012-09-03 06:26:50 PM  
Now say something smart about finally having peace in our time. Neville Chamberlain would have made a fine Farker.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:40 PM  

doglover: RanDomino: Protesting villagers who occasionally throw rocks = terrorists, got it.


There's a number of unguided rockets you can launch at civilian targets before you're the terrorists: 0.

Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

QED.


Because ALL palestinians are dirty dirty terrorists, right?

Jingoism. Its not just for Colonial Europe any more.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:41 PM  

SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.


And my point has been that it is not OUR FARKING CONQUEST.
 
2012-09-03 06:29:23 PM  
If God didn't want Palestinians to smell bad, he wouldn't have given them Jewish neighbors.

Stupid libs.
 
2012-09-03 06:29:54 PM  

doyner: So if an ally does something wrong we're supposed to stand by them no matter what, huh?


In this case of using non-lethal force to subdue an opponent that would see them dead, I do. I don't expect that you would. However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)
 
2012-09-03 06:30:48 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: nmemkha: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Are must be in power.

Retard.


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2012-09-03 06:32:03 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....

I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.


We'll never know as long as the US keeps propping up Israel's government.
 
2012-09-03 06:33:56 PM  
Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?
 
2012-09-03 06:36:39 PM  

Ed Finnerty: Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?


Well... They did torture and murder Jesus to death...
 
2012-09-03 06:37:14 PM  

Aigoo: The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest.


I don't agree with this statement. I think it's deliberately set up to be trite, and to make supporters of Israel look trite.

I support Israel as an existing Parliamentary Republic and that is all. The attempted conquest (and resulting defeat) by Arab Nationals is not a reason that Israel should exist but rather a consequence of her existence.
 
2012-09-03 06:37:53 PM  

MemeSlave:


You win the thread.


If only the warring factions would just leave now this would be a nice quiet place to build a ..lifeless desert.
 
2012-09-03 06:39:14 PM  

Generation_D: Because People in power are Stupid: Felgraf: Because People in power are Stupid: jaytkay: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 320x225]
Lovely people, the settlers. Have you met them?

You are so right.

[writeforgod.stblogs.com image 429x300]

Or maybe not.

Weird. All he did was criticize the settlers.

Is your argument because one side has bad people, the other side cannot? Very strange beliefs, for a self-avowed atheist....

I didn't actually say that ONLY one side has bad people.

I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.

We'll never know as long as the US keeps propping up Israel's government.


Besides, cities, countries, and nations have formed, risen, collapsed and changed since we first started making them. Istanbul was Constantinople, now it's Istanbul not Constantinople. Been a long time gone, Constantinople. Why did Constantinople get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks.

/even Old New York was once New Amsterdam
//why they changed it, I can't say
 
2012-09-03 06:41:01 PM  
Israel begins spraying Palestinians with disgusting goo that smells like "a chunk of rotting corpse from a stagnant sewer, placing it in a blender and spraying the filthy liquid in your face."

probably derived from Matzo
 
2012-09-03 06:41:31 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Ed Finnerty: Is it me or are the Jews really bad at following Jesus' teachings?

Well... They did torture and murder Jesus to death...


Oh, right. What's stigmata with me?
 
2012-09-03 06:41:46 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.


The gaddam Germans got nuttin to do wit it!
 
2012-09-03 06:44:34 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)


What this is I don't even...
 
2012-09-03 06:46:21 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: /even Old New York was once New Amsterdam
//why they changed it, I can't say


I always liked Ana Ng.
 
2012-09-03 06:47:43 PM  
In other words, making them smell better?

/ducks
 
2012-09-03 06:47:43 PM  
With friends like Netanyahu, who needs enemas?
 
2012-09-03 06:49:03 PM  

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: However, I don't claim that you are a secret Palestinian agent possibly paid to argue on Fark. (Which is what you just did to me.)

What this is I don't even...


This whole line of discussion comes from:

Party Boy: Are you a US citizen?



Common, I have a secret agenda. Hell, I'm probably Mossad, even.
 
2012-09-03 06:49:22 PM  

SubBass49: Aigoo: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Yes, genius, it really is.

Two wars - 1948 and 1967. The Arabs (since Palestine is a region that dates back to Ancient Egypt and covers both Arab lands and the entirety of Israel, making even Israelis Palestinians. Try reading a history book or twelve) lost both of them. The land belongs to Israel by right of conquest. If you deny the right of conquest of Israel, you must also deny the right of conquest of the various nations of Asia, Europe, and North and South America as well. In other words, I am certain that my Sioux and Cherokee relatives would be delighted to have back the land that actually was literally stolen from them, which the Arab lands in the Palestinian region most certainly were not - they were lost "fair and square" in two separate wars.

If "might makes right" for Asia, Europe, and the United States, there can be no double standard for Israel. If you wish to demand that Israel give back the land they won in war, you must first demand your own nation does likewise. If you are not prepared to demand that of your own nation, then you may not make that demand of Israel. Yes, it really is that farking simple.

Ah yes, the "right of conquest." And here I thought that the human race had matured a bit since the days of colonialism. Apparently not. Carry on.


Why do people fight wars? Basically, it's over money; we know that. But what generates money? Land, people, and power.

Sure, they fight them over religion, but that goes straight back to power and money and we all know it.

If you want to be a farktard and imply that basic statement regarding conquest is about the maturity of the human race, then by all means, show your continued lack of understanding regarding the basic nature of who and what humanity is. There certainly are more noble traits to humanity: we have strength, compassion, we do not yield and rarely break, we have courage and passion and conviction...that list goes on, but we also have base qualities at our core such as obsessions with power and money, arrogance, the will and desire to dominate those around us... and those have been around since the first man (whether you believe that to be Adam or an upright monkey).

You may think your self immune - we all would certainly like to. You may think yourself evolved and a good example of what humanity's future should be... and that, too, is arrogance. When one man has fought long and hard for something, and finally won it at the cost of his own blood, who the hell are you to tell him that the good and righteous thing to do is to give it back to another man who took it from his fathers by force in the first place and now continues to try to once again take it by force from the man who won it back at such great cost to himself?

If my great grandfather stole your great grandfather's place of business, and you succeeded in getting that business back from me after generations of your family fought generations of my family to get it restored to you, would it be right or proper if the Hague stepped in, not knowing the true history, but only reading a biased news article written by my children, and declared it unjust that you had stolen the business from me and demanded that you give back to my family what you had stolen from us (even though that wasn't the case at all and forcing you to return it was a grave injustice to you and your family)?

That is a simplified version of what is being demanded of Israel here. The "evolved" good man who wants peace and safety on earth and the advancement of the human race champions the violent thinking it will bring peace, not realizing that you cannot create a better, more peaceful world by giving in to tyranny. I wish you the best of luck in trying, though, and pray to God your vision doesn't succeed, or that if it does, God has mercy on me and lets me die before I have to live in such a world.
 
2012-09-03 06:55:46 PM  

Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?


For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.
 
2012-09-03 06:58:26 PM  
This substance is probably derived from the armpits of the dread-locked 20-something Israeli traveler.
 
2012-09-03 07:04:21 PM  
I wish I were Jewish so I could join the IDF.
 
2012-09-03 07:05:17 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.


Bullsh*t.
 
2012-09-03 07:08:24 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.


What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?
 
2012-09-03 07:09:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?


I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.
 
2012-09-03 07:11:42 PM  

farkeruk: How's religious freedom?


There are sizable Christian and Jewish communities in the West Bank, that's Palestinian Christian and Jewish communities. Indeed interfaith marriage has been common among Palestinians for centuries.
 
2012-09-03 07:13:17 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.
 
2012-09-03 07:14:02 PM  

RanDomino:

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Why do I have to keep posting this



What happens June through October, vacation?
 
2012-09-03 07:14:45 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


You mean where Israel won?
 
2012-09-03 07:15:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.


B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

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2012-09-03 07:16:20 PM  

ronaprhys: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: Aigoo: Why do people fight wars?

For the wars in question, Israel was attacked by neighbors and repulsed.

Bullsh*t.

What's your excuse? Liberal media conspiracy rewriting all history books and official documents on the subject?

I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.

You mean where Israel won?


If you mean by inheriting even more problems domestic and foreign, they certain "won" something.
 
2012-09-03 07:18:12 PM  
seems to me they need some new rock ownership laws
 
2012-09-03 07:20:21 PM  

whidbey: I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.


I also guess the fact that Egypt was amassing troops on its borders doesn't really count as an act of war. I suppose Israel is supposed to let them get completely prepared before counter-striking.
 
2012-09-03 07:20:54 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.


Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!


Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:02 PM  
In numerous instances, an internet thread will devolve into a back and forth conflict between two or more posters. Many fine examples in this thread. I have coined the term to cover this phenomenon as either a "farqument" (far-giu-ment) or "farkument (fark-u-ment)." Not sure which one (or neither) sounds better.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:23 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: I guess the whole "Six Day War" thing is a rough spot with you apologists.

I also guess the fact that Egypt was amassing troops on its borders doesn't really count as an act of war. I suppose Israel is supposed to let them get completely prepared before counter-striking.


There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.
 
2012-09-03 07:22:28 PM  
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Have some fun.
 
2012-09-03 07:24:14 PM  

jack21221: I think the sick thing is not the use of this foul goo, but the fact that Israeli settlers seized control of a spring in the first place.


It's a bleak winter for cooperation in the middle east with the fall of this latest effort... uh... something summer something something.
 
2012-09-03 07:28:29 PM  

whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.


So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?
 
2012-09-03 07:28:41 PM  
"Gangly Palestinian youths in jeans are ready to let fly stones from homemade slings at Israeli soldiers down the main road of Nabi Saleh village, whose residents demand access to a local spring seized by Israeli settlers."

About that...STOP IT, then you won't piss people off!
 
2012-09-03 07:29:45 PM  
You people are idiots.

Regardless of context it is disgusting that humans are doing this to each other. Jew, Muslim, Israeli, Palestinian, who gives a fark, they're ALL acting like primitives.
 
2012-09-03 07:30:19 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:
I find that bashing Israel is a very hip thing to do. I also find that the consequences of a world without Israel is not as pleasant a thing as these hipsters would have us believe.


In case you didn't know that the word hipster has no meaning...
 
2012-09-03 07:31:37 PM  
Ugly.

AND smelly.
 
2012-09-03 07:31:53 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.

So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?


History shows Israel to be the aggressor. I think you're content to keep missing the point: that not everyone was happy with the rosy arrangement of carving Israel out into a country.

The reason why there's so much violence there is because of the West's insistence on pounding a square peg into a round hole, so to speak.
 
2012-09-03 07:32:11 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.

B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324]


Thanks to Bush they don't matter now as we are stealing our oil from somewhere else....
 
2012-09-03 07:32:38 PM  

PunGent: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x276]

Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Kriggerel: It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

Anti-Israel /= anti-Semitic.

Or, to put it another way, a friend supports you;

A GOOD friend tells you when he thinks you're making a mistake.


Isn't the line that a friend helps you move but a good friend helps you move a body? I think you've got it wrong.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:16 PM  
Frank Zappa did it.

/don't care if that was noted already
 
2012-09-03 07:34:20 PM  
Defriend.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:41 PM  
PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.
 
2012-09-03 07:34:51 PM  
oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.
 
2012-09-03 07:35:10 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.


Agreed.
 
2012-09-03 07:36:06 PM  

fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.


So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?
 
2012-09-03 07:36:56 PM  
Hmmm. A thread where the Total Farkers support the religious nut jobs.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:01 PM  

Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?


And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:16 PM  

Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?


They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?
 
2012-09-03 07:38:33 PM  
olddinosaur
I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.

Every single offer was insulting at the time.


doglover
Palestinians have launched more than 0 rockets.

All of them, yeah? Did they all get together at a meeting and unanimously decide on it? Even the children, huh?


farkeruk
Why are people so keen on the Palestinians having a country? You know, they're not exactly a sympathetic lot. I'll set aside the suicide bombing... how's LGBT rights in Palestine? How's religious freedom? How do they act with regards to political protest? Freedom of the press? Freedom of association? Freedom of property ownership (death if you sell land to Jews)? Freedom of religion? How does the government act with regards to honor killings?

Right, right, there's just something inherently bad about Palestinians. Would you say it's genetic?


Kriggerel
It's so refreshing to see anti-semitism back in vogue. I was starting to get worried that it had permanently gone out of style... After all, it was so hopelessly gauche for over sixty years!

You are dumb and you should feel bad.


KarmicDisaster
What happens June through October, vacation?

They declared a truce. Hamas held up their end by essentially stopping the rockets. Israel was supposed to ease up on the blockade of Gaza; they didn't.
 
2012-09-03 07:38:47 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Hmmm. A thread where the Total Farkers support the religious nut jobs.


Pffft.

'Twas an unwary gift?

Heh.

;)
 
2012-09-03 07:39:52 PM  

Indubitably: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.


mushon.comView Full Size


If anyone wondered, no I don't have any intention of talking about Israel and Palestine.
 
2012-09-03 07:40:20 PM  

whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?


I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:04 PM  
Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:29 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Indubitably: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

And don't tell me it's complicated. I get that, already, for the last seven decades I get it.

[mushon.com image 512x240]

If anyone wondered, no I don't have any intention of talking about Israel and Palestine.


Duly noted.

Words.
 
2012-09-03 07:41:38 PM  

Indubitably: whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?

I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.


Well, if we don't have someone we can hate on like that, what do we do?
 
2012-09-03 07:42:15 PM  
The international community does not recognize Israel's occupation of the West Bank.
Israel does not recognize its own occupation of the West Bank--because if it did, it would have to grant citizenship to the Palestinians there.
Israel allows the settlement of the West Bank in violation of international law.

If Israel wants to keep the West Bank, then unilaterally annex it and deal with the consequences of a binational Israel. Otherwise, dismantle the settlements and withdraw. They can't have it both ways, which is what they are doing now.

The West Bank is sobering--as is Sderot.
 
2012-09-03 07:42:48 PM  

fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.


Have you been to parts of San Diego lately?? We apparently would do nothing. Well we would apologize then give them free food, housing, jobs and medical. When they complain and shiat bomb us some more by throwing dirty diapers out the window we will give them free scholarships to UCLA.
 
2012-09-03 07:42:57 PM  

whidbey: Indubitably: whidbey: Indubitably: fatcurlytoes: oh shut the fark up

Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week! The people in Sderot, even Ashkelon, are getting bombed by these savages on a weekly, sometimes daily basis. What do you think the USA would do if the Mexicans bombed San Diego just for the lull? I assure you the smell of it would be the least of their problems.

So, quit bulldozing their houses, and give them a country; wut r u daft?

They're "savages," though. You really think it's a good idea?

I wanna "heh," but it hurts my heart. Quit farking over natives, man.

I mean it.

Well, if we don't have someone we can hate on like that, what do we do?


Hate fat?
 
2012-09-03 07:43:01 PM  

robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.


You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?
 
2012-09-03 07:44:05 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: whidbey: There you go again. No measure of responsibility whatsoever for Israel and its Zionist kooks who were running it. It's obviously the other guy's fault.

So, Egypt wasn't amassing troops on their border?

History shows Israel to be the aggressor. I think you're content to keep missing the point: that not everyone was happy with the rosy arrangement of carving Israel out into a country.

The reason why there's so much violence there is because of the West's insistence on pounding a square peg into a round hole, so to speak.


wrong. Israel is shown to be the respondent, not the aggressor. But if you it makes you feel better.
 
2012-09-03 07:44:24 PM  
They should make a bacon spray.

Then everyone would convert to Christianity, eat bacon, and then there would be world peace!

/you got ur leviticus in mah bacons, plz remove it
 
2012-09-03 07:46:29 PM  

whidbey: robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.

You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?


If we're gonna have a nukefest, I'd rather we had it there.
 
2012-09-03 07:47:22 PM  

olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.


You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or "the Injuns" then we get this kind of reaction. Just as there were many many tribes of Native Americans, and the majority of Catholics were not in the IRA, most Palestinians would be just as happy to cooperate with the Israeli government. But the government insists on first assuming that ALL Palestinians are somehow involved in fighting against them, and therefore ANY breach of a cease-fire means that every single person in the neighborhood deserves to be treated like killers.

The same thing happened during the Troubles in Ireland, when the British Army used any killing by the IRA as an excuse to roll through Catholic neighborhoods with APCs and soldiers laden with battle gear; and it happened in America when the government figured that all Injuns were the same big tribe and so a massacre by the Apaches was a good reason to wipe out the Cheyenne. All this thinking and reaction does is ensure that people who would otherwise be willing to sit down and discuss things WILL join the insurgency and WILL start shooting back at the government.

So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.

People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change.
 
2012-09-03 07:47:55 PM  

whidbey: robohobo: Why can't these two just nuke each other and be done with it? Farking savages, both countries. Israel and Palestine both should just DIANF.

You really think after they're done doing that, there's just going to be a neat little Israel-Palestine shaped hole in the ground? That it wouldn't affect the rest of us?


Doesn't have to be nukes. A shiat-ton of carpet bombs would work too. Or lasers. Whatever, so long as both populations are wiped.
 
2012-09-03 07:48:57 PM  

Indubitably: I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.

Agreed.


I think this thread is fascinating. Fanatics, fundamentalists and zealots bash each other over the head for my amusement? I'd even read it if it had commercial breaks.
 
2012-09-03 07:51:10 PM  

ElLoco: Indubitably: I May Be Crazy But...: PunGent

Also, that's a wonderful name for this thread.

Agreed.

I think this thread is fascinating. Fanatics, fundamentalists and zealots bash each other over the head for my amusement? I'd even read it if it had commercial breaks.


"Now brought to you by, FARK-bacon, the mostest tastiest deliciousist evar, Remark_bacon..."
 
2012-09-03 07:52:26 PM  
So crowds of people throwing rocks are upset because they are sprayed with something that stinks?
 
2012-09-03 07:52:50 PM  

Gyrfalcon: olddinosaur: OgreMagi:


Israel gave them the land they demanded expecting the Palestinians to stick to the peace agreement. The Palestinians saw it as an opportunity for a new front to fire rockets at the "evil j00z". Every single time Israel has made a concession, they have been proven wrong to trust anyone. They have zero incentive to play nice, especially since the UN spends more time denouncing anything they do instead of actually trying to deal with the problem, such as a terrorist organization running things for the Palestinians.

I would say you pretty well nailed it. The Jews have given the Palestinians every chance possible, right back to 1948 when they offered them full Israeli citizenship and equal civil rights, and they have used every peace overture as an excuse to "call time" so they can reload their guns and plan more mayhem.

You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military. If random insurgents and terrorists are shooting at the civilians and military, the government CAN, if it chooses, select the kind of response that will be appropriate. If the government's response is to believe that a cease-fire with the Crips is somehow going to prevent ALL gangs from shooting at the civilians, then obviously they are justified at killing "the Palestinians" every time a splinter group decides it would rather kill soldiers than honor the truce.

It's this kind of all-or-nothing us-vs.-them thinking that has driven most insurgency policies around the world and throughout history. Any time the government assumes that the enemies are "the Palestinians" or "the Catholics" or ...


If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.
 
2012-09-03 07:57:30 PM  

Generation_D: Israelis view Palestinians as sub-human creatures, deserving of all the abuse they can get away with giving them.


If that were true why do Israeli parties that advocate removing all Arabs not get elected to run the govt?
 
2012-09-03 07:58:59 PM  

GAT_00: Come on in folks, to the dumbest Israeli thread to date!


Well, at least until you post again.
 
2012-09-03 08:00:49 PM  

ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.


Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.
 
2012-09-03 08:01:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: So here in Gaza, the Israelis (grudgingly) give the Palestinians the land they wanted, most people are thankful for a chance to rebuild their lives; and one group of disaffected freaks says "F*CK THIS! I WANNA KILL JEWS!!" and they do, and then the Israeli government says "See! All 'the Palestinians' want to do is kill us all!" and in come the tanks and soldiers. Now even more people become disaffected and angry...and so it goes.People can't control their emotions, perhaps, and civilians have no control over the local hotheads with guns. But a government CAN control the kind of response it brings against the local hothead with guns. So far, Israel has chosen to view all of "the Palestinians" as the same evil enemy, and chosen not to learn from the mistakes of America. Maybe someday that will change.


My take on this is similar to what happened in Southern Lebanon.

Hezbollah shells Israel repeatedly, and the Lebanese government does nothing about it.

Finally Israel invades, and puts an end to it.

People get all upset, Israel invaded a sovereign country!

Well, if Lebanon had an effective government they wouldn't have let Hezbollah shell.

That Hezbollah could shell so effectively for so long demonstrates that the Lebanese government was ineffectual and unable to perform its sovereign duties.

At which point it seems perfectly justifiable for the target of those rockets and shells to go in there and put an end to it.

I realize the situation is more complex in Gaza but they do have a governing authority and that authority needs to show it is effective against attacking its neighbors.
 
2012-09-03 08:02:40 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?


I would assume Hamas since that's who the Gazans voted for...

Wrong?
 
2012-09-03 08:02:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon: You understand that "the Palestinians" have no more authority over various splinter militia groups than OUR government has over...various splinter militia groups. And that a truce achieved with one group does not guarantee the behavior of another group. Any more than a police truce with the Crips in South Central L.A. means that MS-13 is going to stop shooting at the cops also.

However, a government does have control over its own military.


So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

To use an analogy similar to yours: If the US was at was with Mexico because the Crips were lobbing missiles at Mexico, the US should use law enforcement (and, depending on circumstances, perhaps even the military) to round up and arrest all the Crips. No more Crips, no more missiles, no more war with Mexico.
 
2012-09-03 08:02:58 PM  
No nudes?
 
2012-09-03 08:03:15 PM  
And what about Egypt's, Syria's or Jordan's treatment of the Palestinians? Also Israel's fault?
Nobody likes the Palis.

/Every man for himself.
//Hallelujah
///Yodel-ay-hee-hoo
 
2012-09-03 08:03:52 PM  

Gyrfalcon: ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.

Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.


That's bullshiat, and you know it.
 
2012-09-03 08:04:41 PM  

Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: ronaprhys: If the Palestinians, or anyone in charge, showed a consistent desire to stop the splinter groups, you'd have a point. Since they do no more than token efforts (and that's being generous), you don't.

Who is in charge of "the Palestinians"? You have to start there. Who is in charge of "the Palestinians" and has the authority and ability to stop a dozen guys holed up in some basement with some grenades and guns?

You're assuming--again--that there is some organization or quasi-government agency that can identify, locate and deter or prevent random people who have access to weapons. Who are these people? Who is the person "in charge" who can not only show a desire, because anyone can do that, but have the means to stop terrorists?

The only people who can do that are state-level governments. There is nobody "in charge" of "the Palestinians" who can exert enough force to stop splinter militias from doing what they do. So here you're falling into the same error as everyone else: The "the Palestinians" are a state or quasi-state and have the resources to stop their bad elements. They do not.

That's bullshiat, and you know it.


However, I have no dog in this fight, so I *bow*
 
2012-09-03 08:04:47 PM  

whidbey: Because People in power are Stupid: I guess PLO guerrilla activity supported by Egypt doesn't really matter when the victims are Israeli.

B-b-but Egypt? Really now?

And then, guess what happened when the US decided to support Israel's f*ckups in the early 70s?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324]


I've seen you write some really stupid things, this one is certainly a keeper. So is most of your profile.

Congratulations.
 
2012-09-03 08:05:25 PM  
How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say? We know why people support - or at least say they support - each side and nobody changes their mind. This is the first I've heard of Israel spraying stuff at Palestinians and without even reading the article I knew why Israel supporters would support it and why Palestinan supporters would be against it.
 
2012-09-03 08:05:31 PM  

RanDomino: They don't just spray it on protesters. This happens in villages. It lasts for days and it happens weekly. Ethnic cleansing via gradually making life too miserable- why get on the front page of the New York Times by doing it the old fashioned way when checkpoints, incremental land grabs, cutting off water rights, building walls and restricted roads between farmers and their farmland, denying building permits, and making everything smell like shiat makes people wonder if it would just be easier to leave?


You want to back up your claim it is used on non protesters in villages weekly? Or is this another of your, all too common and predictable, lies about Israel?
 
2012-09-03 08:07:01 PM  
KimNorth
About that...STOP IT

What, and kill the whole point?


fatcurlytoes
Israel endures ROCKETS fired by these people. Every week!

Sometimes they even force Israelis to go to a bomb shelter for several minutes.

Everyone in Palestine wishes they were just getting bombed occasionally.
 
2012-09-03 08:07:59 PM  

Abox: How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say? We know why people support - or at least say they support - each side and nobody changes their mind. This is the first I've heard of Israel spraying stuff at Palestinians and without even reading the article I knew why Israel supporters would support it and why Palestinan supporters would be against it.


It's the Ginsu knives man, we all want a set for winning the thread.
 
2012-09-03 08:13:06 PM  
Put some pig poop in that spray.
 
2012-09-03 08:14:39 PM  
I have a Final Solution for the Israli/Palestinian question. Round up all the young men and put em in a pit, with weapons. Last partisan standing decides the outcome. Either way, once the population of young men is reduced to an acceptable level, the problem goes away.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: farkeruk: How's religious freedom?

There are sizable Christian and Jewish communities in the West Bank, that's Palestinian Christian and Jewish communities. Indeed interfaith marriage has been common among Palestinians for centuries.


Palestinian Jewish communities? Please tell me more.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:15 PM  
Zulfikar
They can't have it both ways, which is what they are doing now.

It would seem that they can, in fact, have it both ways.


fredklein
So, why don't "the Palestinians" have their government use it's military (or, heck, just police force) to go after the "various splinter militia groups" that are stirring things up? Stop them from causing trouble, and the Israeli government won't have to retaliate.

Why is Israeli "forced" to retaliate? "Baby, why you gotta make me hit you?"

Answer: Because that makes it the Palestinians' fault; in which case Israel may carry on driving them away.


Abox
How do people still have the energy to engage in this debate...is there really stuff left to say?

Yeah, there's not much left to talk about... pretty much the only decent thing to do at this point would be to invade the West Bank, remove the IDF, and offer the settlers the choice of renouncing their Israeli citizenship and becoming Palestinian citizens or going to Israel. Those who think otherwise either haven't thought it completely through or are racist, imperialist scum. The kind of people who think "civilization" is this great project that countless humans have to be sacrificed for if necessary.
 
2012-09-03 08:18:01 PM  

RanDomino: racist, imperialist scum.



lol, people still stalk like that?
 
2012-09-03 08:18:02 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Scrotastic Method: Religion is stupid. Why can't they just...share? Really. Why not.

Basically because early Islam was fighting some dudes and Mohammed told the Jews in a town "come fight for me or else" and the Jews weren't willing to basically endorse Islam by fighting on their side. Mohammed got pissed that the Jews wouldn't take orders, and that's when Islam vs Judaism happened.

The arrogance of Mohammed makes modern douchebags look well adjusted.


You forgot the part about the jews trying to let in the dudes in the south
 
2012-09-03 08:19:11 PM  

TOWG: Put some pig poop in that spray.


What, and risk driving up the market price for pig poop worldwide? Where will I get the particular premium pig poop I prefer?
 
2012-09-03 08:19:23 PM  
The Palestinians deserve it 40,000%