I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.

St_Francis_P: I suppose it's better than shooting or beating them.

Well, those are the only options, so...

Well, how else are the going to learn?

Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?

Shostie: Would you rather they sprayed the Palestinians with bullets?

I prefer white phosphorus. That way you don't miss them at night

"The Palestinians are revolting!"

"You said it, they stink on ice."

Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.

So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.


Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

*pokes at matzohs* OMG PU

I thought these were unleavened?!

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: So they're splashing them with Eu Du Palestinien.
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Maybe next time they're offered peace they wouldn't detonate a bomb in Jerusalem.

Yes, because it really is that simple.

Considering that the Israeli's are replying with Non-Lethal force is much better than what the Palestinians would do were the situation reversed.

Well that justifies the original occupation then. I stand corrected.

And what of the non-violent means of protest?

St_Francis_P: thamike: Relax, it's merely traditional Jewish Israeli cuisine.

Even so, I'm not sure it's kosher to throw it on Palestinians.

Once you soak a Muslim Palestinian, it becomes halal sh*t.

doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: And what of the non-violent means of protest?

Well, since we're playing your game of right is right -why not give our nation back the the natives.

(BTW, I anticipate your answer.)

Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.

My point is that none of this will ever be resolved unless both sides admit that no one is innocent....and then it probably still won't. We'll just keep kicking this can down the road until an actual genocide occurs and then the winner will be "right" because God will have made them the victor.

doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Well, unlike Israel, we did a far more effective job of committing genocide.


Sure there was genocide attempted against the Jews by Palestinians (and others.) But let's just pretend that the Palestinian ties to the land are correct. What is your proposal to deal with the people who live there now?

And Americans really weren't "that good" at genocide. I don't even think that there is a holy book that says that our wars against the natives were ordained by God.Why there are Natives still here. Why not just give them their land back? 

Isn't that what you are proposing with Israel?

You do realize that disagreeing with one side does not necessarily mean agreement with the other, right? My point is that multiple religious claims on a given piece of land can only mean that it will be soaked in blood until one side becomes virtually extinct from that place. This is no endorsement. It is my display of disgust with claims based on the idea that god told your ancestors a given area was "yours."

And you're conflating the whole "god" and native American thing. YOU brought up the Indians, not me. And genocide does not mean complete extermination. IF it did, why are there still Jews?

My proposal is that we don't PICK SIDES IN SOMEONE ELSE'S FRARKING HOLY MANDATE!

What's yours? I can only guess.

Party Boy: Every time I see this Tu Quoque argument from Israeli government press director Daniel Seaman

I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem? From anti-Israeli reactionaries -most of whom would either a) Tell the Jews to leave or b) advocate some two state solution (which is the current state of affairs).

But it's a diversionary tactic that pro-Palestinians use, to avoid these ideas as you come across the exact same problem of asking Americans to leave this country and give the land back to the natives. But that is venturing a little too much into a Tu Quoque argument that a hypocrite like yourself might not understand.

Party Boy: doyner: YOU brought up the Indians

He brought it up to threadshiat with a tu quoque. Tu Quoque is a very common fallacy in which one attempts to defend oneself or another from criticism by turning the critique back against the accuser. This is a classic Red Herring since whether the accuser is guilty of the same, or a similar, wrong is irrelevant to the truth of the original charge. However, as a diversionary tactic, Tu Quoque can be very effective, since the accuser is put on the defensive, and frequently feels compelled to defend against the accusation.

I didn't defend. I described. And called him on it.

There is nothing more self-fulfilling as a siege mentality.

Because People in power are Stupid: It's not a diversionary tactic to ask: What is your solution to the problem?

It is to internalize that Israel's problem is OUR problem. I don't recall the US getting a lot of help with the "Indian Problem."

doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Because People in power are Stupid: I don't think you know what a Tu Quoque argument is.

Yeah yeah. This is basically the only retort when called out on this garbage.


I see you say you go to UMass. Are you a US citizen?

I'm an Atheist, not Jewish if that is what you're implying.



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doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.

Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: What's yours? I can only guess.

RTFA. I am proposing that nonviolent interdiction by Israel is completely appropriate given the circumstances.

So basically keep spraying them down with shiat water while building more settlements on occupied land. Seems legit.

To prevent more rocket attacks that target civilians, yes.

What would you propose as a more final solution?

Well, not the final solution that you would like to see implemented. But rather keep things exactly as they are until a time when Palestine no longer engages in wanton acts of terrorism against the people of israel.

Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.

St_Francis_P: doyner: Because People in power are Stupid: Party Boy: Straight up yes or no question.

It is none of your business.

Classy.

LOL. Score one for Party Boy.

It's not germane to the discussion. I suppose that in your head I should give him my address too.

I also noticed that with this Pro-Palestinian lot -that the personal attacks fly a little bit sooner than even the most heated left-wing/right-wing discussions. (And I should know).

Because People in power are Stupid: doyner: Nice straw man. I'm advocating the US TAKING NO SIDES.

As far as straw men go... your implication that I was advocating a "final solution" was one that you engaged in first.

You bring the American Indian, I bring Hitler. it's the Chicago way.