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2012-09-03 10:13:16 AM
Very cool.
 
2012-09-03 10:24:11 AM
Great. More poor people running around. Just what we need.
 
2012-09-03 11:45:05 AM
Do you realise what that could mean to the starving nations of the earth?

Wow! They'd have enough salt to last forever!
 
2012-09-03 12:46:31 PM
This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?
 
2012-09-03 12:46:43 PM
Snarky comment.
 
2012-09-03 12:52:01 PM
Still?
 
2012-09-03 12:53:13 PM
styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

Seriously. I seem to remember there being instructions in the Boy Scout handbook on how to build one of these. A plastic sheet tented over a pot of water. The water evaporates, condenses on the plastic, and drips down into a container.

I'd think it would be easier to just set up a small off shore rig designed to convert wave motion into electricity to boil the water. More expensive up front, but with better results over all.
 
2012-09-03 12:53:30 PM
styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

Bah, imagine if it was 3D printed? The stream of jizz from the whacko technofetishists would be visible from Jupiter. Guaranteed some fruitcake would come along and ask if it will work on Mars and when we are sending a 3D printer there...
 
2012-09-03 12:57:34 PM
COOKIE DISCLAIMER
and it makes cookies too?
 
2012-09-03 01:04:10 PM
I don't get why these things get a design overhaul, IMO that would only increase their price and make them less likely to end up in the hands of those who need them, or if a part goes missing, it probably has to be repaired at a Genius Bar. There are far cheaper methods of doing exactly this, albeit without the earthtone colors.
 
2012-09-03 01:14:39 PM
I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.
 
2012-09-03 01:15:00 PM
CygnusDarius: Snarky comment.

Dense retort that assumes you are trolling.
 
2012-09-03 01:18:48 PM
ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

3-2-1 Contact ruled!
 
2012-09-03 01:22:55 PM
pretty sure i learned this when i was a cub scout
 
2012-09-03 01:23:00 PM
styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

He made it look like a goomba from Super Mario Bros.
 
2012-09-03 01:23:23 PM
styckx: ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

3-2-1 Contact ruled!


Clicky.

cdn2.mamapop.com
 
2012-09-03 01:39:30 PM
BafflerMeal: styckx: ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

3-2-1 Contact ruled!

Clicky.

[cdn2.mamapop.com image 304x226]


Sadly I remember that exact episode.. 35 and feeling old as shiat..
 
2012-09-03 01:45:01 PM
styckx: BafflerMeal: styckx: ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

3-2-1 Contact ruled!

Clicky.

[cdn2.mamapop.com image 304x226]

Sadly I remember that exact episode.. 35 and feeling old as shiat..


Yeah? Well, I remember 3-2-1-Contact when it was called Zoom...so get off my lawn.
 
2012-09-03 01:55:33 PM
styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

Yes, all open source projects make tons of money, farking moron.
 
2012-09-03 01:59:41 PM
Mister Peejay: CygnusDarius: Snarky comment.

Dense retort that assumes you are trolling.


Humorously questions your sexual orientation. Posting lolcat pictures.
 
2012-09-03 02:08:09 PM
Honest Bender: styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

Seriously. I seem to remember there being instructions in the Boy Scout handbook on how to build one of these. A plastic sheet tented over a pot of water. The water evaporates, condenses on the plastic, and drips down into a container.

I'd think it would be easier to just set up a small off shore rig designed to convert wave motion into electricity to boil the water. More expensive up front, but with better results over all.


Big time distillation or reverse osmosis needs lots of electricity. The tidal machines, solar power, windmills, coal fired plants or what have you... its all going to add up along with the cost of getting the water to these people.
Lets not forget that they are probably poverty stricken for a reason. Wars, bad government, or just extremely bad luck. What seems a simple project to us is often just impossible where its needed.

An easily made, easily moved, easily copied distilling bottle which provides drinking water from waste material is a start. Especially if it can be made more efficient than a sand pit.
If they can line up dozens of the things in battery, it will just have to do.
 
2012-09-03 02:14:50 PM
I'm working on a design for an industrial scale solar desalinator that, if it works, will be very cheap and a couple of orders of magnitude higher efficiency than current ones.

/It will also produce electricity
 
2012-09-03 02:20:45 PM
Yawn. Use a plastic bottle for the same result: Link
 
2012-09-03 02:21:26 PM
What the hell are poor people doing in an area where there isn't enough fresh water to grow crops, let alone keep them alive? Okay, they have drinking water now. Now how the hell are they going to get food?

//maybe don't live in an unhospitable place is all I'm saying.
///maybe las vegas does suck ass.
 
2012-09-03 02:22:35 PM
Hey look someone invented a solar powered still.

What a revolution.
 
2012-09-03 02:42:36 PM
sminkypinky: Yawn. Use a plastic bottle for the same result: Link

Your link doesn't remove salt.
 
2012-09-03 02:46:31 PM
sminkypinky: Yawn. Use a plastic bottle for the same result: Link

That disinfects water, but it won't desalinate sea water.
 
2012-09-03 02:48:34 PM
I love basmati rice cooked in my

www.solarcookers.org

However, I live in Arizona. YMMV.
 
2012-09-03 02:50:57 PM
halB: What the hell are poor people doing in an area where there isn't enough fresh water to grow crops, let alone keep them alive?

War, drought, economic unrest, it can happen in any society.
Imagine living where you are when one day the money stops coming and the lights go out. This is most of the worlds reality.

The problem isn't just water, or fresh water, but "clean" water. Most of what you'll find nearby is contaminated.
Storage methods in poverty stricken areas can be of extremely poor quality, or there may be no storage at all. Often they've been drinking from a river where someone upstream thought it would be a great idea to take a dump in it. They don't have the money or know how to treat their water chemically or run it through a filter.
They use it as they find it, microbes and all.

A solar still like this could convert that crap into clean water.
 
2012-09-03 02:58:00 PM
If this is open source where the hell are the plans? I want some schematics so I can have my wife make one (my wife is a potter).
 
2012-09-03 03:02:24 PM
belgianguy: I don't get why these things get a design overhaul, IMO that would only increase their price and make them less likely to end up in the hands of those who need them, or if a part goes missing, it probably has to be repaired at a Genius Bar. There are far cheaper methods of doing exactly this, albeit without the earthtone colors.

I get the previous comments regarding the fact that this is based on already well-established technology (though implemented in an interesting way, I think, due to the use of internal pressure to direct the steam into the lower section rather than just using gravity) but your comment makes less sense. The only "price" in these, is what it takes you to make one. There are no "parts" to go missing because you can't buy one of these things. There is no equivalent of a "Genius Bar" because you build the thing yourself. You get the plans and make one from whatever is available, modifying the plans as necessary to fit your particular situation.

I'm not sure why all the butthurt in this thread. The dude came up with a slightly novel way of doing evaporation distilling and then packaged it as a plan that can be utilized and modified by anyone if they so choose. What's with the poutrage?
 
2012-09-03 03:14:13 PM
halB: What the hell are poor people doing in an area where there isn't enough fresh water to grow crops, let alone keep them alive? Okay, they have drinking water now. Now how the hell are they going to get food?

//maybe don't live in an unhospitable place is all I'm saying.
///maybe las vegas does suck ass.


The problem with the logic is that there is people that will shoot them if they get too close. So, you're kinda forced to make the best of the situation.
 
2012-09-03 03:21:05 PM
ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-09-03 03:25:19 PM
tzzhc4: If this is open source where the hell are the plans? I want some schematics so I can have my wife make one (my wife is a potter).

If your wife wants to make money as a potter, have her make these bastards--Harsch Gairtopf crock

ecx.images-amazon.com

$135 for a 5 liter pickling crock with a water sealing lid. I can't throw anymore but if I could...

Right now I use one of these--Perfect Pickler

ecx.images-amazon.com

because I do very small batches
 
2012-09-03 03:49:27 PM
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Made me think of this:

wikicheats.gametrailers.com
 
2012-09-03 04:01:13 PM
Honest Bender: styckx: This concept has been around for... farking ever.. What is it suddenly a big cash cow when someone makes it all artsy and attaches some feel good message to the design?

Seriously. I seem to remember there being instructions in the Boy Scout handbook on how to build one of these. A plastic sheet tented over a pot of water. The water evaporates, condenses on the plastic, and drips down into a container.


It seems there's a good reason you're not helping solve the world's problems. Where do you want to get plastic sheets for people dying of thirst in 3rd world countries?

The whole point of this is that it's something that can be built and used by the people who need it with zero cost, shipping or impact. One guy can show another guy who to build it and it's self perpetuating. Yes, evaporation is as old as the sun. That's not the point.

I'd think it would be easier to just set up a small off shore rig designed to convert wave motion into electricity to boil the water. More expensive up front, but with better results over all.

No, it wouldn't.
 
2012-09-03 04:16:17 PM
tzzhc4: If this is open source where the hell are the plans? I want some schematics so I can have my wife make one (my wife is a potter).

There's a bit of information here but I couldn't find any actual plans or parts lists. I'm also not convinced that the device would work as well as he says.

He talks about boiling the salt water to produce steam. Sure, a black surface in the sun will get hot but will it actually reach the boiling point without using reflectors to concentrate the light? And wouldn't a clear plastic top with a black bottom plate be a much better way of transferring heat to the water than the opaque container he's using?

You could get around the boiling-point issue by sealing the system completely and adding a small mechanical vacuum pump to remove most of the air, but I didn't see any mention of that on his site.

Also he shows how you remove the pan of fresh water, but doesn't mention that you need to dump out the leftover brine from the top section. Not a big deal, but it is an extra pail of water you need to haul around each day.
 
2012-09-03 04:25:19 PM
lordargent: ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x500]


get out of my head
 
2012-09-03 04:37:49 PM
Plant Rights Activist: lordargent: ramen_for_all: I'm going to date myself but I remember seeing a way to do this with plastic sheeting and a coffee can on a show called 3-2-1 Contact.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x500]

get out of my head


right there with you
 
2012-09-03 04:39:29 PM
If this is really a problem let the free market take care of it. Stoopid libruls!
 
2012-09-03 04:39:40 PM
Ivo Shandor: He talks about boiling the salt water to produce steam.

He does not say "boiling", simply pressure increases in a boiler as temperature rises, and steam, by which I assume he means evaporated water, is forced out, free of salt. I imagine boiling is not as necessary as with fresh water since bodies of salt water tend to flow.

Looking at the object in the video, there appears to be a plastic sealing cap and some machined metal parts (could be hand produced, but I am not sure how frequently local metal workers would have had to produce such materials), which are not as widely available as stated.
 
2012-09-03 05:01:45 PM
Mister Peejay: CygnusDarius: Snarky comment.

Dense retort that assumes you are trolling.


Assertion that my own idea is better than that in the article despite my complete lack of experience.
 
2012-09-03 05:11:54 PM
I remember when we learned how to do this in grade 7 during some weird study program called "Marooned" that we all went through in Social Studies. Was some sort of survival on a deserted island thing back in the early 90's. I think it tied into Lord of the Flies as well. Anyway, we could easily make one of these devices to convert sea water into water, you just have to be stranded with some clear cling wrap, one large bowl, one small bowl, a pebble, and access to sea water.
 
2012-09-03 05:21:56 PM
Condensation/distillation, how does it work.
 
2012-09-03 05:26:25 PM
XMark: Mister Peejay: CygnusDarius: Snarky comment.

Dense retort that assumes you are trolling.

Assertion that my own idea is better than that in the article despite my complete lack of experience.


Pointless reference to your mother's ample experience with pipe.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:34 PM
sat1va: I remember when we learned how to do this in grade 7 during some weird study program called "Marooned" that we all went through in Social Studies. Was some sort of survival on a deserted island thing back in the early 90's. I think it tied into Lord of the Flies as well. Anyway, we could easily make one of these devices to convert sea water into water, you just have to be stranded with some clear cling wrap, one large bowl, one small bowl, a pebble, and access to sea water.

One of the big concerns is how to make something in desalinating a significant amount of water without needing the clear plastic film. Needs to be materials which absorbs the heat in a design which both separates the evaporated water while not allowing the heat to escape, because this needs to produce about three liters of water per person per day. Low production costs, low maintenance costs, available materials, simple production, and effectiveness make this a design task harder than people seem to believe.
 
2012-09-03 05:47:41 PM
So...guy improves on existing designs/theories and comes up with a potentially helpful, if not exactly groundbreaking device that might improve some people's lives, all while not profiting from it in any way? Hang the bastard.

/Yeah yeah, welcometofark.jpg
 
2012-09-03 06:03:50 PM
TheOther: XMark: Mister Peejay: CygnusDarius: Snarky comment.

Dense retort that assumes you are trolling.

Assertion that my own idea is better than that in the article despite my complete lack of experience.

Pointless reference to your mother's ample experience with pipe.


Half-baked assertion that first world greed us the only reason 7 billion people don't have enough food and water already.
 
2012-09-03 06:06:25 PM
I know the key part of the idea is a low cost option, but I couldn't find how much these will cost. Anyone stumble upon that info?
 
2012-09-03 06:09:39 PM
Boudica's War Tampon: tzzhc4: If this is open source where the hell are the plans? I want some schematics so I can have my wife make one (my wife is a potter).

If your wife wants to make money as a potter, have her make these bastards--Harsch Gairtopf crock

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 251x300]

$135 for a 5 liter pickling crock with a water sealing lid. I can't throw anymore but if I could...

Right now I use one of these--Perfect Pickler

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 217x300]

because I do very small batches


Thanks, she says she could crank out 3-4 an hour :)
 
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