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(Shadowlocked)   Doctor Who's Asylum of the Daleks will make you cry; redefines relationship between The Doctor and the Daleks (review with spoilers)   (shadowlocked.com) divider line 151
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2012-09-03 10:42:07 AM
I dunno about cry, but it was a good opening episode...
 
2012-09-03 10:56:41 AM
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2012-09-03 11:21:02 AM
I watched an episode of Doctor Who for the first time ever Saturday night on the local PBS station just to see what all the fuss was about, and I must admit, I was totally confused.

Will watch again this coming Saturday night.
 
2012-09-03 11:30:05 AM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: [oi46.tinypic.com image 403x403]


Yeah, but you'd still let her use her sucker thing on you.
 
2012-09-03 12:21:40 PM
I laughed, almost cried and was deeply moved.

Great first episode.
 
2012-09-03 12:43:19 PM
Fantastic episode, but the potential for a "good Dalek" seems weird at first glance.
 
2012-09-03 12:51:57 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Fantastic episode, but the potential for a "good Dalek" seems weird at first glance.


The only good Dalek is an insane Dalek, of course.
 
2012-09-03 12:52:34 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Fantastic episode, but the potential for a "good Dalek" seems weird at first glance.


It's only evil when they exterminate you.
 
2012-09-03 12:55:28 PM
Yeah, I admit it got a little dusty in here during the scene where Amy explained why she divorced Rory. Quite an accomplishment too since she usually gets on my damn nerves.
 
2012-09-03 12:56:26 PM
Honestly, I thought it was a great episode and didn't see that twist coming.

Great series premiere, hope it ends as good as it started.
 
2012-09-03 12:56:49 PM

LrdPhoenix: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Fantastic episode, but the potential for a "good Dalek" seems weird at first glance.

The only good Dalek is an insane Dalek, of course.


Well, wouldn't that be the point? A "normal" Dalek would be filled with hatred of everything non-Dalek.
 
2012-09-03 12:57:37 PM
Eggs...

Eggs...
 
2012-09-03 12:58:48 PM
Eggs term IN ATE!!!
 
2012-09-03 12:58:58 PM

Old enough to know better: Yeah, I admit it got a little dusty in here during the scene where Amy explained why she divorced Rory. Quite an accomplishment too since she usually gets on my damn nerves.


Really?

All I thought was "wow, what a stupid selfish biatch. She couldn't have brought this up at any point before signing the farking divorce papers?"
 
2012-09-03 12:59:21 PM
"I didn't kick you out, I gave you up" That line will get me no matter how many times I watch it. Like Rose's dad jumping into traffic.
 
2012-09-03 01:01:37 PM
Great first episode. Just curious as to how that ship crashed onto that planet.
 
2012-09-03 01:01:39 PM
Oswin is pure win. That is a dynamic I'd like to see more of. Am curious to see how this all plays out.
 
2012-09-03 01:02:57 PM
Eggs.....ter.....min.....ate..............
 
2012-09-03 01:03:48 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Old enough to know better: Yeah, I admit it got a little dusty in here during the scene where Amy explained why she divorced Rory. Quite an accomplishment too since she usually gets on my damn nerves.

Really?

All I thought was "wow, what a stupid selfish biatch. She couldn't have brought this up at any point before signing the farking divorce papers?"


I would think selfish was never telling Rory that she couldn't bear him children and staying married to him. Thought that was kind of honorable about her...but that's just me.
 
2012-09-03 01:07:25 PM

Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: Old enough to know better: Yeah, I admit it got a little dusty in here during the scene where Amy explained why she divorced Rory. Quite an accomplishment too since she usually gets on my damn nerves.

Really?

All I thought was "wow, what a stupid selfish biatch. She couldn't have brought this up at any point before signing the farking divorce papers?"

I would think selfish was never telling Rory that she couldn't bear him children and staying married to him. Thought that was kind of honorable about her...but that's just me.


You're right, I misspoke.

Stupid, thoughtless biatch was what I meant. And the character has always been that way.
 
2012-09-03 01:08:46 PM

JDDMichael: Oswin is pure win. That is a dynamic I'd like to see more of. Am curious to see how this all plays out.


Hmmm...a thought crosses my mind just now: Oswin uses the Amy's DNA to recombine her own and regenerate back into a human; with the bonus of recombining Amy's DNA in order to give her back the ability to bear children again. I could see that last episode with the Ponds being something like that.
 
2012-09-03 01:15:05 PM
The human Daleks are actually an update on the Robomen from the Dalek invasion of the Earth episode.

My one complaint was with the "insane" Daleks on the planet. They are supposed to be insane by the Dalek definition, so shouldn't some of them be pacifists, Daleks at peace with the universe?

Oswin should have just been a Dalek, not a converted human. It would have been a so much better to reveal if the most insane Dalek in the universe was a Dalek without any hate within it.

Also, Cybermen assimilate, Daleks Exterminate!
 
2012-09-03 01:15:52 PM
I don't understand how someone can abandon a relationship based on whether the other person can or cannot have children. Children may be important, but do you stop loving someone because they can't provide you with one? You move on, enjoy your life in other ways.

//My sister lost a boyfriend because she couldn't bear him children (the son he "needed" to carry on his name).
//Six months later he was married and had a baby on the way.
//7 daughters later his wife finally gave birth to a son.
//Son died when he was 6 months old.
//Karma is a major biatch.
//My sister didn't lose out on anything with him. He was a dick.
 
2012-09-03 01:16:23 PM

Rwa2play: JDDMichael: Oswin is pure win. That is a dynamic I'd like to see more of. Am curious to see how this all plays out.

Hmmm...a thought crosses my mind just now: Oswin uses the Amy's DNA to recombine her own and regenerate back into a human; with the bonus of recombining Amy's DNA in order to give her back the ability to bear children again. I could see that last episode with the Ponds being something like that.


Ossining did not survive the explosion of the planet
 
2012-09-03 01:17:04 PM

Great Janitor: Rwa2play: JDDMichael: Oswin is pure win. That is a dynamic I'd like to see more of. Am curious to see how this all plays out.

Hmmm...a thought crosses my mind just now: Oswin uses the Amy's DNA to recombine her own and regenerate back into a human; with the bonus of recombining Amy's DNA in order to give her back the ability to bear children again. I could see that last episode with the Ponds being something like that.

Ossining did not survive the explosion of the planet


Oswin...friggin iPad autocorrect
 
2012-09-03 01:20:17 PM
I thought the whole idea of a Dalek Asylum was interesting. I wouldn't have thought they would have had that kind of empathy for their own, no matter how heroic they had been.
 
2012-09-03 01:20:22 PM
My original thought was. Biatch, you can just adopt a kid!
 
2012-09-03 01:22:46 PM
Good episode, but the divorce/reconciliation stuff seemed pretty artificial to me.
 
2012-09-03 01:24:35 PM

Psylent1: The human Daleks are actually an update on the Robomen from the Dalek invasion of the Earth episode.

My one complaint was with the "insane" Daleks on the planet. They are supposed to be insane by the Dalek definition, so shouldn't some of them be pacifists, Daleks at peace with the universe?

Oswin should have just been a Dalek, not a converted human. It would have been a so much better to reveal if the most insane Dalek in the universe was a Dalek without any hate within it.

Also, Cybermen assimilate, Daleks Exterminate!


Daleks have been converting since their start. Daleks are converted Kaleds. In the audio plays, there is mention of Kaled mothers who gave birth to Dalek babies after Davros gave them special treatments. In the classic steries I believe there was a serial were a human was converted into a Dalek. The audio drama 'Dalek Empire 3' mentions a Dalek invasion, but due to the events at the end of 'Dalek Empire 2', their numbers are low, too low for an invasion, so the create a virus that leads to a galactic plague. The show up as friendly saviors who have the cure. Those infected go to healing zones, under heavy Dalek guard, and people are then cured and turned into Daleks.
 
2012-09-03 01:30:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Rwa2play: FirstNationalBastard: Old enough to know better: Yeah, I admit it got a little dusty in here during the scene where Amy explained why she divorced Rory. Quite an accomplishment too since she usually gets on my damn nerves.

Really?

All I thought was "wow, what a stupid selfish biatch. She couldn't have brought this up at any point before signing the farking divorce papers?"

I would think selfish was never telling Rory that she couldn't bear him children and staying married to him. Thought that was kind of honorable about her...but that's just me.

You're right, I misspoke.

Stupid, thoughtless biatch was what I meant. And the character has always been that way.


No, she's quite selfish too. Watch "The Girl Who Waited" again sometime. Old Amy has the chance to turn things around and rescue herself so she can have her former life back, be happy and be with Rory, and not put herself through however many years of excruciating loneliness. But noooo, she basically said, "I don't care about younger me, I don't want to save myself all that suffering, I don't want to make things not awkward with Rory, rescue me, Fark younger me.
 
2012-09-03 01:32:37 PM

Great Janitor: Ossining did not survive the explosion of the planet
Oswin...friggin iPad autocorrect


See, we just don' t know yet. She could have converted her consciousness into a data stream and uploaded herself into the TARDIS' computer like River went into a sonic screwdriver at her death. So now, Oswin would be chowing down on Idris' box while the two figure out how to make her a corporeal humanoid again.
 
2012-09-03 01:40:42 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: [oi46.tinypic.com image 403x403]


My boyfriend and I got a laugh out of that since we met on a online dating site.

/he is presently boxing up all his Doctor Who books as we are moving in a few weeks
 
2012-09-03 01:43:46 PM
If Amy and Rory do have another kid, how the hell are they going to explain to the kid about their older sister? That's going to be a hell of a talk.
 
2012-09-03 01:45:17 PM
DammitIForgotMyLogin:
oi46.tinypic.com

Eleven is not inexperienced with such things:
www.hireatardis.com25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-03 01:48:29 PM

texdent: If Amy and Rory do have another kid, how the hell are they going to explain to the kid about their older sister? That's going to be a hell of a talk.


The easy part would be to not mention the sister, but let aunt River get to be a big part of the kid's life
 
2012-09-03 01:52:19 PM

texdent: If Amy and Rory do have another kid, how the hell are they going to explain to the kid about their older sister? That's going to be a hell of a talk.


Rory's dad is in the next episode. I doubt they told him that their coloured friend whom they grew up with is really his granddaughter, much less that the 50-ish woman who popped by the wedding reception is also her.
 
2012-09-03 02:05:20 PM

HopScotchNSoda: See, we just don' t know yet. She could have converted her consciousness into a data stream and uploaded herself into the TARDIS' computer like River went into a sonic screwdriver at her death


Or, even easier, she transferred herself to the Dalek network, which she was 9obviously) more familiar with. It's there if they ever want to bring her back.
 
2012-09-03 02:13:17 PM

ItsJustJake: Or, even easier, she transferred herself to the Dalek network, which she was 9obviously) more familiar with. It's there if they ever want to bring her back.


But then she wouldn't be giving the old jelly roll to Idris.
 
2012-09-03 02:24:19 PM

DarkPascual: Honestly, I thought it was a great episode and didn't see that twist coming.

Great series premiere, hope it ends as good as it started.


I anticipated the unreal nature of Ms. Oswin Oswald's surroundings and that her abilities to control Dalek technology were a result of a direct mental connection to the Dalek systems, though I had not anticipated exactly how that connection had been established.

/Was not surprised that she was unable to leave with the Doctor.
 
2012-09-03 02:27:15 PM

Psylent1: My one complaint was with the "insane" Daleks on the planet. They are supposed to be insane by the Dalek definition, so shouldn't some of them be pacifists, Daleks at peace with the universe?


Daleks were placed on the asylum planet due to the "sane" Daleks' unwillingness to EXTERMINATE such perfect hatred. Daleks whose insanity resulted in pacifism and a peaceful nature would be EXTERMINATED with extreme prejudice.
 
2012-09-03 02:36:03 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Stupid, thoughtless biatch was what I meant. And the character has always been that way.


Amy is and has always been half a crazy person, and really I wouldn't have her any other way. Remember, this is someone who went through four psychiatrists because she kept biting them.
 
2012-09-03 02:38:08 PM
Ya, I wanted to buy the "can't have children" so I could be into the story more.
My thought is Amy was too stubborn to tell him. I can buy that. She IS stubborn.
And Rory, well he's a nice guy but he's no Einstein.

The mini webisodes didn't help a lot, but Meh, I'm not going to let that ruin what was a good episode.

I mean, nerds complaining about a nerd tv show.
Gotta fight that stereotype. It's as cliche as putting in a bad plot line.
 
2012-09-03 02:40:54 PM
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2012-09-03 02:46:31 PM

Zombie DJ: Ya, I wanted to buy the "can't have children" so I could be into the story more.
My thought is Amy was too stubborn to tell him. I can buy that. She IS stubborn.
And Rory, well he's a nice guy but he's no Einstein.

The mini webisodes didn't help a lot, but Meh, I'm not going to let that ruin what was a good episode.

I mean, nerds complaining about a nerd tv show.
Gotta fight that stereotype. It's as cliche as putting in a bad plot line.


I would have preferred the divorce to be because as Amy said in 'Vincent and the Doctor', she just isn't the marrying type. The Rory was happy living a quiet life and Amy wanted to live the exciting life. The episode "Amy's Choice" showed that Rory wanted a quiet peaceful life as a family man and Amy not wanting that life.
 
2012-09-03 02:49:38 PM
I'm sorry, but waiting for 2000 years trumps everything. That part of the episode didn't compare to everything else (which was fantastic) because of it.
 
2012-09-03 03:01:43 PM

Psylent1: Oswin should have just been a Dalek, not a converted human. It would have been a so much better to reveal if the most insane Dalek in the universe was a Dalek without any hate within it.


I'm liking that idea a lot.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:07 PM
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I like her a lot already. She's adorable and a good actress.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:42 PM

thecpt: I'm sorry, but waiting for 2000 years trumps everything. That part of the episode didn't compare to everything else (which was fantastic) because of it.


Remember though, that Amy has always taken Rory and his love for granted. As children, she kept him around so she would have someone to dress up as the Raggedy Doctor. She would make him count to high numbers for hide-and-seek, and then ignore him while counseling Mels. She was oblivious to his romantic feelings until young adulthood when their daughter pointed them out to her. Amy was eager and not the slightest bit hesitant to sport-shag another man on the eve of her wedding to Rory. Rory will always be there. She was touched when she exited the Pandorica and learned of Rory's loyalty, but it doesn't make a lasting impression on her because her mind says, "well, of course Rory would wait for me; he's Rory." Remember their casual proposal scene in "TWORS": "We should get drinks sometime." "O.K." "And married." "Fine." It probably went more or less the same way in the regular timeline(s) as well.
 
2012-09-03 03:06:07 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: Psylent1: Oswin should have just been a Dalek, not a converted human. It would have been a so much better to reveal if the most insane Dalek in the universe was a Dalek without any hate within it.
I'm liking that idea a lot.


I thought, actually, that's precisely what happened.
 
2012-09-03 03:17:03 PM

Mega Steve: [www.heatworld.com image 615x597]

I like her a lot already. She's adorable and a good actress.


Ace 2.0.

/not that that's a bad thing.
 
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