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(CNN)   Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley says Americans are not better off four years later - and he should know, he's a Democrat   (cnn.com) divider line 122
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2012-09-03 11:54:30 AM  
As a Baltimore resident, O'Malley is okay. The best things about him are that he is young and good looking and plays in a celtic rock band. Other than that he is just meh.
 
2012-09-03 12:15:37 PM  
Congress has a lower approval rating than the president.
 
2012-09-03 12:17:44 PM  
This automatically means

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is President and Obama has to harvest beets at Shrute Farms to pay off his student loan debts.
 
2012-09-03 12:17:53 PM  
The thing is, he's telling the truth. Obama took over on a severe downward slide in the economy, and it took a solid year to simply stop the bleeding. We're not quite back to pre-recession levels yet.

With that being said, Dems probably should have a more politically palatable answer to this question. :)
 
2012-09-03 12:19:51 PM  
Americans aren't better off than they were four years ago.

If your house burned down, and after four years of trying to rebuild, you only have a partially standing house because half of your team of hired construction workers kept ripping out the nails from the support beams to spite the other half and the foreman, then you'd have a tough time saying "Yes" to that question.
 
2012-09-03 12:21:38 PM  
4 years ago was September 3, 2008. The crash happened in October. I agree with him.
 
2012-09-03 12:21:41 PM  
the thing is, the Democrats are living in FANTASYLAND.

You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.
I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters. Its not about Ds and Rs on this issue, but as far as I can tell the Ds are much worse.

If we keep electing people like this we will never pay down the debt and essentially younger generations will end up being wage slaves to older generations.
 
2012-09-03 12:22:46 PM  
My life has actually never been better.
 
2012-09-03 12:23:06 PM  
The question is bullshiat. Why not ask "are you better off than about March 2009 when the economy and unemployment were at their shiattiest?" The answer, despite some "Not so Cool Story, Bro"s, should be yes.
 
2012-09-03 12:23:13 PM  

Animatronik: the thing is, the Democrats are living in FANTASYLAND.

You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.
I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters. Its not about Ds and Rs on this issue, but as far as I can tell the Ds are much worse.

If we keep electing people like this we will never pay down the debt and essentially younger generations will end up being wage slaves to older generations.


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2012-09-03 12:23:31 PM  

Animatronik: the thing is, the Democrats are living in FANTASYLAND.

You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.
I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters. Its not about Ds and Rs on this issue, but as far as I can tell the Ds are much worse.

If we keep electing people like this we will never pay down the debt and essentially younger generations will end up being wage slaves to older generations.


so vote for the guy that wants to eliminate capital gains taxes.
 
2012-09-03 12:23:48 PM  
This is why it doesn't pay to actually give an adult answer to a question if you're a politician in America. He's clearly making a point that is in favor of the president, but, of course, the Republicans are distorting what he said for their own advantage, and the media is abetting them.
 
2012-09-03 12:24:00 PM  

Animatronik: the things is... word salad


Please don't respond.
 
2012-09-03 12:24:36 PM  

Animatronik: I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters


What debt does Montana have? We have a surplus. The money CAME FROM THE VOTERS.

Or are you suggesting Montana send it's surplus the the Federal government? I really can't figure out what the fark you are saying, other than "Dems bad for wanting to give back money the people paid in".
 
2012-09-03 12:24:55 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Congress has a lower approval rating than the president.


Is that statement supposed to have an impact? The President has a perfectly normal approval rating, Congress has lower popular regard than legitimate rape.
 
2012-09-03 12:25:45 PM  
O'Malley and Maryland democrats were against casinos and slots in maryland while Ehrlich (R) was Governor and wanted to legalize them in the state. They blocked casinos and slots the entire Ehrlich tenure. Then when O'Malley was elected, Maryland dems approved casinos and slots and now they are taking all the credit for legalizing gambling in Maryland.

/table games now allowed in maryland.
 
2012-09-03 12:30:14 PM  
I'm no better off than I was 12 years ago. Whats his point?
 
2012-09-03 12:30:52 PM  

Animatronik: You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.


but you can give it to rich people am I right?
 
2012-09-03 12:31:21 PM  

SlothB77: O'Malley and Maryland democrats were against casinos and slots in maryland while Ehrlich (R) was Governor and wanted to legalize them in the state. They blocked casinos and slots the entire Ehrlich tenure. Then when O'Malley was elected, Maryland dems approved casinos and slots and now they are taking all the credit for legalizing gambling in Maryland.

/table games now allowed in maryland.


Actually, the only reason they legalized casino gambling in Maryland was because of the Referendum that passed in 08.
 
2012-09-03 12:31:38 PM  
And 24 hours later after getting a phone call from team obummer, he says we are better off than 4 years ago. So that, settles that.
 
2012-09-03 12:32:33 PM  
Wrong question after the depression (see link ) that George "screw up" Bush sent us into

The question is did Obama try hard enough to make you better off. The answer to that is clearly no and the proof would be a comparison to FDRs big government make work programs for the masses. FDR tried to make you better off. Obama did not.
_________________________________________________

IMF Declares America To Be In A Depression Two Weeks After Bush Left Office

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a6aaWZ8ab8yU
 
2012-09-03 12:34:29 PM  

balloot: The thing is, he's telling the truth. Obama took over on a severe downward slide in the economy, and it took a solid year to simply stop the bleeding. We're not quite back to pre-recession levels yet.

With that being said, Dems probably should have a more politically palatable answer to this question. :)


Bingo. Came to say this. Unemployment rose for a year after Obama became president not because Obama caused it to go up but because the shiat was still hitting the fan from the Bush illegitimacy. However, speaking as someone who saw major layoffs in my company during and immediately after the initial impact of the financial crisis, I would have to say, yes, our business is better off than it was four year ago. For me personally, a wash, which given the severity of the current depression, is not all that terrible. The fault still firmly lies at the foot of the repub Party, which for some reason wanted this mess (they've certainly done everything in their power to prolong it), or at least expected to empty the till and get outta town while the rest of the country was looking elsewhere.
 
2012-09-03 12:35:35 PM  

Animatronik: the thing is, the Democrats are living in FANTASYLAND.

You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.
I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters. Its not about Ds and Rs on this issue, but as far as I can tell the Ds are much worse.

If we keep electing people like this we will never pay down the debt and essentially younger generations will end up being wage slaves to older generations.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-03 12:35:37 PM  
Ryan: "Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?"

One prominent Democrat said the answer to the question was "no."


Since when is a "why" question answered yes/no?

"But that's not the question of this election," Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley said on CBS on Sunday. "The question, without a doubt, we are not as well off as we were before George Bush brought us the Bush job losses, the Bush recession, the Bush deficits, the series of desert wars -- charged for the first time to credit cards, the national credit cards."

Oh yea, O'Malley really fileted Obama there.

Republicans pounced on O'Malley's admission, with Ryan issuing a statement saying it was proof that Obama's policies aren't working.

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2012-09-03 12:35:59 PM  
Anecdote is not data, but I'm much better off than I was 4 years ago. Four years ago I was unemployed with a mortgage. Now I'm employed (although my company just did a round of layoffs), and my house is payed off.
 
2012-09-03 12:36:13 PM  
Sorry for the long post:

Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Here's what President Obama has done in the last 4 years originally from here):

1. Saved the banks
2. Brought the stock market from 6,500K to 13,000K
3. Saved GM
4. Repealed DADT
5. Ordered a Mini Dream Act
6. Created 4.3 million jobs
7. 27- straight months of private-sector job growth
8. Passed Healthcare
9. Ended the war in Iraq
10. Drawing down from Afghanistan
11. Doubled the Number of Border Security Agents
12. Appointed First Hispanic Justice
13. Restored America's Standing in the world
14. Dealt effectively with the BP Oil Spill
15. Dealt effectively with the Pirate Crisis
16. Dealt effectively with H1N1
17. Kept America Safe
18. Passed Financial Reform
19. Passed a Credit-Card Bill of Rights
20. Passed Equal Pay for Women
21. Nearly Wiped out Al Qaeda
22. Killed OBL
23. Added Eight-yeas of solvency to Medicare
24. Quit smoking
25. And got a dog

P.S. On a personal note: I also quit smoking and we got Sam dog. Also I got a PhD. So, yeah, we're a lot better off than under Bush.
 
2012-09-03 12:36:21 PM  

Codenamechaz: then you'd have a tough time saying "Yes" to that question.


It's true. And now we get to hire a new construction company. We have two bids. One side submits a bid to complete the house. The other wants to burn down the partially built structure, piss into the ashes, and then let the boss of the construction company keep all the remaining money from the fire insurance while you live in a shack worthy of a West African shanty town.

Obviously the solution is the latter.
 
2012-09-03 12:36:39 PM  
Four years ago, I was a college student staring into the jaws of a complete economic collapse, and wondering if there would be any jobs left when I graduated. Now, I have a decent job, my student loans are well under control, and I just bought a new car this weekend. On top of that, my father can now get health insurance despite having a bad back, he and my stepmother are hoping to retire into a non-gutted social security system on top of their much-recovered stock portfolio, and my entire family has seen our taxes go down in spite of what we're constantly told.

So, yeah. If we're going by anecdotes, I'd say things have gotten better for me and mine in the last four years. I guess I know who I'm voting for in November then.
 
2012-09-03 12:37:05 PM  
I think the US is in a much better position going forward today compared to 4 years ago even if it's not "better". Obama hasn't done a bad job.

Bob16: Wrong question after the depression (see link ) that George "screw up" Bush sent us into


I think it was just payback for the recession that Clinton handed him
 
2012-09-03 12:37:09 PM  

Bob16: Wrong question after the depression (see link ) that George "screw up" Bush sent us into

The question is did Obama try hard enough to make you better off. The answer to that is clearly no and the proof would be a comparison to FDRs big government make work programs for the masses. FDR tried to make you better off. Obama did not.
_________________________________________________

IMF Declares America To Be In A Depression Two Weeks After Bush Left Office

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a6aaWZ8ab8yU


How much of that is on Obama and how much of that is the Republican mantra of "Make him a one-term president at all costs."
 
2012-09-03 12:37:17 PM  

Hobodeluxe: Animatronik: You can't keep giving money back to your loyal voters when the country is deep in debt.

but you can give it to rich people am I right?


The rich people already have it.
 
2012-09-03 12:40:25 PM  
Four years ago i was bundling toxic assets and making a fortune... now my only pleasure is denying qualified people bank loans. Thanks Fartbama.
 
2012-09-03 12:42:04 PM  

Tusz: Four years ago, I was a college student staring into the jaws of a complete economic collapse, and wondering if there would be any jobs left when I graduated. Now, I have a decent job, my student loans are well under control, and I just bought a new car this weekend. On top of that, my father can now get health insurance despite having a bad back, he and my stepmother are hoping to retire into a non-gutted social security system on top of their much-recovered stock portfolio, and my entire family has seen our taxes go down in spite of what we're constantly told.

So, yeah. If we're going by anecdotes, I'd say things have gotten better for me and mine in the last four years. I guess I know who I'm voting for in November then.


You're outnumbered and they know who they will be voting for in November as well.
 
2012-09-03 12:42:20 PM  
I changed jobs three years ago and have made more money each year since then.

I'm better off.

Sure, the people that lost their jobs because people like Romney liquidated their companies and his fellow venture capitalists on Wall Street crashed the economy four years ago aren't better off. But you can't really pin that on Obama now, can you. Well, unless you are a partisan shill of course. But there aren't many of those here.

Snort!
 
2012-09-03 12:43:58 PM  
The Banksters are better off

Wall Street is better off

The health insurance companies have a captive customer base now so they sure are better off.

Obama went to bat for all of them and made sure they were better off.

But the O-bots want you to stop blaming Obama because Joe six pack isn't better off. Their ass-kissing analysis boils down to "you joe six packs have an unrealistic expectation of what Obama can do for you".

They are just like the Bush ass kissers.
 
2012-09-03 12:45:24 PM  

Vindibudd: Tusz: Four years ago, I was a college student staring into the jaws of a complete economic collapse, and wondering if there would be any jobs left when I graduated. Now, I have a decent job, my student loans are well under control, and I just bought a new car this weekend. On top of that, my father can now get health insurance despite having a bad back, he and my stepmother are hoping to retire into a non-gutted social security system on top of their much-recovered stock portfolio, and my entire family has seen our taxes go down in spite of what we're constantly told.

So, yeah. If we're going by anecdotes, I'd say things have gotten better for me and mine in the last four years. I guess I know who I'm voting for in November then.

You're outnumbered and they know who they will be voting for in November as well.


Brought to you by the department of pulling things our of your arse.
 
2012-09-03 12:45:45 PM  
The reason why we're not back to roaring prosperity? Because Barack Obama governs like a Republican.

/He's a damn good one, but a Republican nonetheless
 
2012-09-03 12:45:54 PM  
firegeezer.com

Why haven't you slackers not made this house better than it was 4 years ago? Let's see your birth certificates you socialists!
 
2012-09-03 12:47:32 PM  

Tor_Eckman: I changed jobs three years ago and have made more money each year since then.

I'm better off.

Sure, the people that lost their jobs because people like Romney liquidated their companies and his fellow venture capitalists on Wall Street crashed the economy four years ago aren't better off. But you can't really pin that on Obama now, can you. Well, unless you are a partisan shill of course.


And I didn't realize I was holding a mirror up to you until just now.
 
2012-09-03 12:48:30 PM  
MOM is pushing hard for 2016. I hope it comes back to bite him in the ass.
 
2012-09-03 12:51:11 PM  

Bob16: The Banksters are better off

Wall Street is better off

The health insurance companies have a captive customer base now so they sure are better off.

Obama went to bat for all of them and made sure they were better off.

But the O-bots want you to stop blaming Obama because Joe six pack isn't better off. Their ass-kissing analysis boils down to "you joe six packs have an unrealistic expectation of what Obama can do for you".

They are just like the Bush ass kissers.


But I bet you still voted for Dubya.
 
2012-09-03 12:54:16 PM  

Bob16: The Banksters are better off

Wall Street is better off


So cut the capital gains tax and maybe the Job Creators® will start creating jobs.

The health insurance companies have a captive customer base now so they sure are better off.

But single payer is zOMG SOOOOOOOCIALISM!

Obama went to bat for all of them and made sure they were better off.

But the O-bots want you to stop blaming Obama because Joe six pack isn't better off. Their ass-kissing analysis boils down to "you joe six packs have an unrealistic expectation of what Obama can do for you".

They are just like the Bush ass kissers.


So vote Republican.
 
2012-09-03 12:55:56 PM  
The 2010 republican landslide showed how much the public thought they were better off and things are not much better today.

Funny how the latino calvary that is suppose to ride to the rescue and crush conservatives for eternity didn't come through then.

Keep farkin that chicken Dems.
 
2012-09-03 12:56:03 PM  
Well that depends on how you view better. During the Bush administration I got two poorly planned and executed wars, one of which was definitely unnecessary and religious nuts dictating foreign policy because of warrior Jesus coming back to slay the unbelievers. The bar was set at basically not trying to bring about the end of the world with idiotic wars. Although the bar may be set low, with Republicans praying for war with Iran I'd say we are better off with a Democrat in the white house.
 
2012-09-03 01:03:12 PM  

mediablitz: Animatronik: I'm watching the Governor of Montana (D) on TV talking about how we need to get back to "budget surpluses" so he can give some money back to hard working voters. Not pay down debt, give some more money to voters

What debt does Montana have? We have a surplus. The money CAME FROM THE VOTERS.

Or are you suggesting Montana send it's surplus the the Federal government? I really can't figure out what the fark you are saying, other than "Dems bad for wanting to give back money the people paid in".


Yeah, giving state surpluses back to the citizens is only good when a Republican governor does it.
 
2012-09-03 01:06:34 PM  

balloot: The thing is, he's telling the truth. Obama took over on a severe downward slide in the economy, and it took a solid year to simply stop the bleeding. We're not quite back to pre-recession levels yet.

With that being said, Dems probably should have a more politically palatable answer to this question. :)


When he took over the financial world was about to end. We were hemorrhaging jobs by the millions. We were at war in Iraq. Osama was on the loose. GM was going down the tubes. If you had a pre-existing condition, you couldn't get health insurance. GWB was our president.

Things are definitely better today then they were in January of 2009. Demonstrably so.
 
2012-09-03 01:06:45 PM  

zetar: Sorry for the long post:

Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Here's what President Obama has done in the last 4 years originally from here):

1. Saved the banks
2. Brought the stock market from 6,500K to 13,000K
3. Saved GM
4. Repealed DADT
5. Ordered a Mini Dream Act
6. Created 4.3 million jobs
7. 27- straight months of private-sector job growth
8. Passed Healthcare
9. Ended the war in Iraq
10. Drawing down from Afghanistan
11. Doubled the Number of Border Security Agents
12. Appointed First Hispanic Justice
13. Restored America's Standing in the world
14. Dealt effectively with the BP Oil Spill
15. Dealt effectively with the Pirate Crisis
16. Dealt effectively with H1N1
17. Kept America Safe
18. Passed Financial Reform
19. Passed a Credit-Card Bill of Rights
20. Passed Equal Pay for Women
21. Nearly Wiped out Al Qaeda
22. Killed OBL
23. Added Eight-yeas of solvency to Medicare
24. Quit smoking
25. And got a dog

P.S. On a personal note: I also quit smoking and we got Sam dog. Also I got a PhD. So, yeah, we're a lot better off than under Bush.


Republican obstructionism:

1. Blocked the Anti-outsourcing bill (I put this as #1 -it is the root cause of the problem)
2. Blocked extending unemployment benefits to Americans who are out of work.
3. Blocked Small Business Jobs Act -because if you are unemployed and don't have any money -then how will you make a living.

All of this adds up to: REPUBLICANS INTENTIONALLY HARMING THE ECONOMY. No amount of claiming that "Obama is a communist" can fix what they did.
 
2012-09-03 01:07:37 PM  
The Dems had a lock on government for almost 20 years when FDR was in office and he was clearly showing the working class that he was on their side.

Meanwhile todays pretend Dems (aka moderate conservatives) got killed only 2 years after their take over.

Gee i wonder if theres a lesson to be learned...
 
2012-09-03 01:08:36 PM  
I see Republicans have found their latest "you didn't build that" bullshiat twisting of what was really said.

It really is a requirement to be stupid and ignorant to be a Republican today...
 
2012-09-03 01:09:35 PM  

Bob16: The 2010 republican landslide showed how much the public thought they were better off and things are not much better today.

Funny how the latino calvary that is suppose to ride to the rescue and crush conservatives for eternity didn't come through then.

Keep farkin that chicken Dems.


Midterm elections historically don't have a high voter turnout.

Romney and his ilk have alienated Latinos. The vast majority of us are not going to vote for that flip-flopping, lying sack of shiat, and we certainly don't like his patronizing wife, either.
 
2012-09-03 01:13:02 PM  

zetar: Sorry for the long post:

Are we better off than we were 4 years ago? Here's what President Obama has done in the last 4 years originally from here):

1. Saved the banks
2. Brought the stock market from 6,500K to 13,000K
3. Saved GM
4. Repealed DADT
5. Ordered a Mini Dream Act
6. Created 4.3 million jobs
7. 27- straight months of private-sector job growth
8. Passed Healthcare
9. Ended the war in Iraq
10. Drawing down from Afghanistan
11. Doubled the Number of Border Security Agents
12. Appointed First Hispanic Justice
13. Restored America's Standing in the world
14. Dealt effectively with the BP Oil Spill
15. Dealt effectively with the Pirate Crisis
16. Dealt effectively with H1N1
17. Kept America Safe
18. Passed Financial Reform
19. Passed a Credit-Card Bill of Rights
20. Passed Equal Pay for Women
21. Nearly Wiped out Al Qaeda
22. Killed OBL
23. Added Eight-yeas of solvency to Medicare
24. Quit smoking
25. And got a dog

P.S. On a personal note: I also quit smoking and we got Sam dog. Also I got a PhD. So, yeah, we're a lot better off than under Bush.


No, no see all of this was passed by the brave, courageous Republicans by just repeatedly refusing to compromise and providing ALL Americans with bootstraps. Or wait, this is all part of a normal recovery and President Obama had nothing to do with it. Or wait, it all happened IN SPITE of President Obama being the greatest threat to the greatest nation on the greatest planet in the universe!

/or wait...
 
2012-09-03 01:14:49 PM  

coeyagi: The question is bullshiat. Why not ask "are you better off than about March 2009 when the economy and unemployment were at their shiattiest? and 0bama didn't have a clue about what he was doing " .


He didn't have a clue then, and after two Summer's of Recovery, shovel ready jobs bills, claims that spending a ton of money will prevent unemployment above 8%, lot of people giving up in the economy, huge spike in gas pricessince he started, he still doesn't have a clue about what to do, except for asking for Romney's tax returns and say he hasn't done a good job communicating.
 
2012-09-03 01:20:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: huge spike in gas pricessince he started


Dishonest talking point is dishonest.

Would you rather be in the deep recession we were in January 2009 that caused us to have those low gas prices? Or do you want to go back to the previous summer when gas was around $4/gallon UNDER BUSH?
 
2012-09-03 01:21:00 PM  

zetar: 6. Created 4.3 million jobs


So tell me how does that make sense?

Unemployment is higher now than when he took office (8.3 vs. 7.8)
More people have left the workforce since he left office.

Conclusion: he created over 4 million jobs.
 
2012-09-03 01:32:06 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: coeyagi: The question is bullshiat. Why not ask "are you better off than about March 2009 when the economy and unemployment were at their shiattiest? and 0bama didn't have a clue about what he was doing " .

He didn't have a clue then, and after two Summer's of Recovery, shovel ready jobs bills, claims that spending a ton of money will prevent unemployment above 8%, lot of people giving up in the economy, huge spike in gas pricessince he started, he still doesn't have a clue about what to do, except for asking for Romney's tax returns and say he hasn't done a good job communicating.


He should totally be worrying about abortion, gay marriage, non-existent vote fraud, and sharia law.
 
Kiz
2012-09-03 01:47:25 PM  
The economy is still shrinking 8% per year? Funny, I hadn't noticed.
 
2012-09-03 01:59:00 PM  

balloot: The thing is, he's telling the truth. Obama took over on a severe downward slide in the economy, and it took a solid year to simply stop the bleeding. We're not quite back to pre-recession levels yet.

With that being said, Dems probably should have a more politically palatable answer to this question. :)


It's really sad that the average voter can't understand something that simple. Of course, the solution is to do away with public education, and imprison all those union thug teachers that failed the children.

/only first sentence was serious
//sad that I have to clarify since so many people would seriously type that nonsense
 
2012-09-03 01:59:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: zetar: 6. Created 4.3 million jobs

So tell me how does that make sense?

Unemployment is higher now than when he took office (8.3 vs. 7.8)
More people have left the workforce since he left office.

Conclusion: he created over 4 million jobs.


I like how you ask what it means, and then just make up your own answer.
 
2012-09-03 02:21:17 PM  
The actual question is: "Are you better off than you were TWELVE years ago?"
 
2012-09-03 02:24:12 PM  

balloot: The thing is, he's telling the truth. Obama took over on a severe downward slide in the economy, and it took a solid year to simply stop the bleeding. We're not quite back to pre-recession levels yet.

With that being said, Dems probably should have a more politically palatable answer to this question. :)


Actually the economy had already bottomed out before Obama took office.
 
2012-09-03 02:26:23 PM  
I'll just leave this from about 6 posts down the list -- Imagine your house burns and you are grateful that the firefighters come out and extinguish the fire. Do you ask, "Am I better off than before the fire?"
 
2012-09-03 02:29:44 PM  
Oh, you guys - stop rehashing reagan's bullshiat. You're now on to recycling his questions. You got nothin'.
 
2012-09-03 02:36:54 PM  

insano: I'll just leave this from about 6 posts down the list -- Imagine your house burns and you are grateful that the firefighters come out and extinguish the fire. Do you ask, "Am I better off than before the fire?"


No.
Vote Arsonist.
 
2012-09-03 02:49:49 PM  
I have a brother-in-law who is doing MUCH better now than 4 years ago. New job, promotions and raises. His 401k has exploded. House is paid for now and 3 cars in the garage.
He'll be voting Republican again, while blaming Obama for making things worse.
 
2012-09-03 02:53:25 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: Congress has a lower approval rating than the president.


Congress has a lower approval rating than herpes.
 
2012-09-03 03:01:17 PM  

s1ugg0: [firegeezer.com image 502x305]

Why haven't you slackers not made this house better than it was 4 years ago? Let's see your birth certificates you socialists!


So how long do you need then? 4, 8, 10, 20 years?

/it's not FAIR when the democrat party is held accountable!!!
 
2012-09-03 03:03:08 PM  
Maybe he's a "lifelong Democrat" like those Republican women who aren't gonna vote for Romney, nosiree.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:59 PM  
readjack.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-03 03:07:23 PM  
You mean to tell me that it's harder to rebuild an institution than it was to tear it down? No way!
 
2012-09-03 03:17:08 PM  

TheJoe03: [readjack.files.wordpress.com image 445x667]


That's a warning from David Simon America - heed it.
 
2012-09-03 03:25:52 PM  
Bush injured America.

Obama has stopped the bleeding.

But the Republicans won't let the wound heal.
 
2012-09-03 03:38:24 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: zetar: 6. Created 4.3 million jobs

So tell me how does that make sense?

Unemployment is higher now than when he took office (8.3 vs. 7.8)
More people have left the workforce since he left office.

Conclusion: he created over 4 million jobs.


Spoiler alert: When old people retire, they leave the workforce pool.
 
2012-09-03 03:46:01 PM  
I wish the DNC had the balls to blame the GOP's obstructionism for why the economy is farked.

instead we have Obama promising to still try to negotiate with these economic terrorists.
 
2012-09-03 03:46:02 PM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-09-03 03:51:23 PM  

Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: huge spike in gas pricessince he started

Dishonest talking point is dishonest.

Would you rather be in the deep recession we were in January 2009 that caused us to have those low gas prices? Or do you want to go back to the previous summer when gas was around $4/gallon UNDER BUSH?


not to mention that the US exports gasoline.

increasing the amount of oil supply (ie the right's derping on drilling permits and keystone) will not drive down gasoline prices. you need to increase refining capacity to do that. and even if that's done, it would take years to bring that capacity online.
 
2012-09-03 03:57:47 PM  

vernonFL: As a Baltimore resident, O'Malley is okay. The best things about him are that he is young and good looking and plays in a celtic rock band. Other than that he is just meh.


See, this is why Ron Paul lost.
 
2012-09-03 04:00:05 PM  
 
2012-09-03 04:02:01 PM  

dumbobruni: I wish the DNC had the balls to blame the GOP's obstructionism for why the economy is farked.

instead we have Obama promising to still try to negotiate with these economic terrorists.


Let's think about this: What would John Q. Averagevoter (a well-documented dumbass) rather hear? A detailed and nuanced breakdown of why the broken legislative process won't open his factory back up or a calm, reasonable paternal figure tell him it's going to be okay (while making no mention at all of all the people who want to make sure it's NOT going to be okay to further their own careers)?
 
2012-09-03 04:04:37 PM  

theknuckler_33: Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]

29 consecutive months of private sector job creation.

[www.npr.org image 462x360]

Private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama's term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase.

Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.

But there is one area of job creation where President Bush clearly outshines President Obama: the public sector. Public sector employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline. At the same point in President Bush's term, public sector employment was up 3.7 percent.


That graph should be all Obama needs to win reelection--if the public ever gets a chance to see it. I wonder if there's anything in the debate rules to prevent him from blowing it up and hanging a copy from his lectern for the whole 90 minutes.
 
2012-09-03 04:13:53 PM  

The Great EZE: theknuckler_33: Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]

29 consecutive months of private sector job creation.

[www.npr.org image 462x360]

Private sector job creation returned in February of 2010, the 13th month of President Obama's term. Since then, the economy has added 4.3 million private sector jobs, a 4 percent increase.

Under President Bush, the economy stopped shedding private sector jobs in July of 2003, fully 30 months into his administration. From that point until May of 2004, the economy added just 1.5 million private sector jobs, an increase of only 1.4 percent.

But there is one area of job creation where President Bush clearly outshines President Obama: the public sector. Public sector employment is now down 608,000 workers since January 2009, a 2.7 percent decline. At the same point in President Bush's term, public sector employment was up 3.7 percent.

That graph should be all Obama needs to win reelection--if the public ever gets a chance to see it. I wonder if there's anything in the debate rules to prevent him from blowing it up and hanging a copy from his lectern for the whole 90 minutes.


While I don't know if the chart will be displayed, I think this fact will be repeated many times during the DNC.
 
2012-09-03 04:15:59 PM  
I know one American that is not better off than he was four years ago....Barack Obama. At least he says he's American.
 
2012-09-03 04:18:55 PM  
Marty seems anxious to take on Andrew Cuomo and Hillary Clinton for the DNC nomination in 2016.
 
2012-09-03 04:40:18 PM  
BO: "Look people, it's going to take more than 4 years to fix the fark ups of the previous administrations. Y'all will have to chill the fark out, I got this."

GOP: "Passing the buck!! Dodging blame!! Take some responsibility for your failures, Ohibemuslima."

BO: "...Dumbasses".

GOP: "Insulting political rhetoric! Bringing down the level of discourse!"
 
2012-09-03 04:56:03 PM  
beta_plus (favorite: Farkied in red. Ought to be brown.): democrat party

DRINK!
 
2012-09-03 05:10:16 PM  

doyner: insano: I'll just leave this from about 6 posts down the list -- Imagine your house burns and you are grateful that the firefighters come out and extinguish the fire. Do you ask, "Am I better off than before the fire?"

No.
Vote Arsonist.


Socialist commie firefighters.
 
2012-09-03 05:10:48 PM  
It took Atta & Co. about 3½ hours to bring down the Twin Towers. 11 years later, the new World Trade Center is still not complete. By Publican "logic", we should all vote for al Qaeda.
 
2012-09-03 05:28:29 PM  

karnal: I know one American that is not better off than he was four years ago....Barack Obama. At least he says he's American.


dude, you can't just stroll in here and drop a steaming turd like that.
 
2012-09-03 05:28:49 PM  
Like I'm going to listen to anything I read on the Clinton News Network or the Marxist Socialist National Broatcasting Company.
 
2012-09-03 05:29:06 PM  

Bob16: The Dems had a lock on government for almost 20 years when FDR was in office and he was clearly showing the working class that he was on their side.

Meanwhile todays pretend Dems (aka moderate conservatives) got killed only 2 years after their take over.

Gee i wonder if theres a lesson to be learned...


Yeah, it's that whatever Fox News is doing*, it sure works.

*What they're doing includes lying, taking sh*t out of context, spinning, propagandizing or anything to be the full-fledged media arm of the GOP. They should just change "red" to whatever color "least-informed viewer" is, at least until (don't hold your breath) the GOP becomes sane again.
 
2012-09-03 05:31:55 PM  

Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]


Citation needed. I want the list. Does it equal more than 3 million*? If so, congrats, you have a gold star for the day.

*After about 1300 days in office, that would be about 2500 excuses a day, or about 1000 per hour, or about 160 per minute. Really?
 
2012-09-03 05:31:59 PM  

32oz High Life: Like I'm going to listen to anything I read on the Clinton News Network or the Marxist Socialist National Broatcasting Company.


No, you should make sure to get all yur news from the Fascism Obfuscation and Xenophobia Network
 
2012-09-03 05:34:33 PM  

32oz High Life: Like I'm going to listen to anything I read on the Clinton News Network or the Marxist Socialist National Broatcasting Company.


Better than Festering Overt Xenophobia. And congrats, least-informed viewer, your food pyramid must consist of paste, boogers and patriot eagle tears.
 
2012-09-03 05:35:38 PM  

propasaurus: 32oz High Life: Like I'm going to listen to anything I read on the Clinton News Network or the Marxist Socialist National Broatcasting Company.

No, you should make sure to get all yur news from the Fascism Obfuscation and Xenophobia Network


coeyagi: 32oz High Life: Like I'm going to listen to anything I read on the Clinton News Network or the Marxist Socialist National Broatcasting Company.

Better than Festering Overt Xenophobia. And congrats, least-informed viewer, your food pyramid must consist of paste, boogers and patriot eagle tears.


They really need to make more words that start with X.
 
2012-09-03 05:41:14 PM  

Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]


This coming from somebody who's greatest accomplishment was a bridge collapsing.
 
2012-09-03 05:42:11 PM  

Bob16: The 2010 republican landslide showed how much the public thought they were better off and things are not much better today.

Funny how the latino calvary that is suppose to ride to the rescue and crush conservatives for eternity didn't come through then.

Keep farkin that chicken Dems.


Aww, look at how cute the little troll is. Let me get some nickels and toss you some pellets.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:13 PM  

skykid: Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]

This coming from somebody who's greatest accomplishment was a bridge collapsing.


Churches and businesses should have sprung for new bridges in Minnesota, not government.
 
2012-09-03 05:57:01 PM  

Ishkur: Bush injured America.

Obama has stopped the bleeding.

But the Republicans won't let the wound heal.


You call that stopping the bleeding? If we rub some salt in it, then we'll get some REAL results!
 
2012-09-03 06:07:51 PM  

coeyagi: skykid: Buffalo77: [sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 480x480]

This coming from somebody who's greatest accomplishment was a bridge collapsing.

Churches and businesses should have sprung for new bridges in Minnesota, not government.


I imagine the lack of government oversight may have been part of the problem in the first place.
 
2012-09-03 06:17:16 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Ishkur: Bush injured America.

Obama has stopped the bleeding.

But the Republicans won't let the wound heal.

You call that stopping the bleeding? If we rub some salt in it, then we'll get some REAL results!


He stopped the bleeding by cutting higher on the artery
 
2012-09-03 06:18:10 PM  
I am doing WAY better than I was 4 years ago.

I make almost $10 an hour more than I did 4 years ago.

I have use of a company vehicle, and the company I work for covers gas, maintenance and insurance saving me a buttload of cash since I don't have to pay the 21st century robber barons (Oil Companies) out of my own pocket, and save a ton of mileage on my personal vehicles.

I live in the SF Bay Area, am a tradesman, and we are experiencing a major boom right now. If you are in the trades, can work in this area and want a job you already have one.

So yeah, things are a little better than they were 4 years ago.
 
2012-09-03 06:37:56 PM  

Rev. Skarekroe: Ishkur: Bush injured America.

Obama has stopped the bleeding.

But the Republicans won't let the wound heal.

You call that stopping the bleeding? If we rub some salt in it, then we'll get some REAL results!



We survived the ER, the operation we are out of intensive care but rehab takes time and is hard.
 
2012-09-03 06:47:27 PM  

Meanniss: Rev. Skarekroe: Ishkur: Bush injured America.

Obama has stopped the bleeding.

But the Republicans won't let the wound heal.

You call that stopping the bleeding? If we rub some salt in it, then we'll get some REAL results!


We survived the ER, the operation we are out of intensive care but rehab takes time and is hard.


It's especially hard when you elect not to get a transplant and start over fresh. The cancerous banks still remain, they're just in remission temporarily. Yea, therapy helps, but ain't gonna be like new again.
 
2012-09-03 06:58:44 PM  
It's going to be more difficult to pass a contemporary comprehensive public healthcare system now that Obama shored up the insurance based scheme. Reps wanted fix old no new and that's what they got; complete with poison pills and the public option conceded. He also effectively staked a claim on the insurance healthcare fiasco so that Dems will have to own it when it fails catastrophically.
But at least there is no longer any "We elected Bush twice!?" shame while abroad.
 
2012-09-03 07:04:04 PM  
Four years ago this fall about 1/2 of everybody I know was either getting laid off or lucky to survive huge rounds of lay-offs.

Four years ago this fall, most people I know saw their 401K's get wiped out.

Four years ago this fall, friends and family of mine were liquidating their assets to horde gold, guns and ammo getting ready for the end of western civilization.

Nobody I know has gone through that in a few years so yeah, I'd say everybody is a lot better off than the free-fall we were in 4 years ago.
 
2012-09-03 07:09:25 PM  

acefox1: Four years ago this fall about 1/2 of everybody I know was either getting laid off or lucky to survive huge rounds of lay-offs.

Four years ago this fall, most people I know saw their 401K's get wiped out.

Four years ago this fall, friends and family of mine were liquidating their assets to horde gold, guns and ammo getting ready for the end of western civilization.

Nobody I know has gone through that in a few years so yeah, I'd say everybody is a lot better off than the free-fall we were in 4 years ago.


Four years ago, President Fart McFartstain was promising change.

Four years ago, Lindsay Lohan was snorting blow in the back of her Porsche.

Four years ago, Mitt Romney was campaigning for President.

Four years ago, Michael Bay was banging starlets in his production office as an audition for his next big budget piece of shiat.

You know what's changed? NOTHING! OUTRAGE!
 
2012-09-03 07:50:41 PM  
I'm surprised anyone would support either political party. How many more decades of these two bankrupting the people, destroying the middle class and retiring rich are we gonna put up with?
 
2012-09-03 07:53:09 PM  
but later after he got his ass chewed by Obama, he said we were better off. So I guess it's settled then.
 
2012-09-03 08:15:50 PM  

Brick-House: but later after he got his ass chewed by Obama, he said we were better off. So I guess it's settled then.


Read article, didn't see that. WHAR evidence WHAR?
 
2012-09-03 08:24:23 PM  
Four years ago there was only one air headed lying narcissist on the Republican ticket. So there's that.
 
2012-09-03 09:13:59 PM  
He was an OK mayor in Baltimore, but at the state level as governor, he's beyond awful. He's going to use his last two years in office as a springboard to try and get the Democratic nomination in 2016, instead of trying to fix some of the problems he's created in Maryland. Problem is he has no chance at getting it; the guy has more skeletons in his closet than Nixon and Agnew combined. I despise FOX News, but they're going to have a field day with him in a few years.
 
2012-09-03 09:30:02 PM  

The Great EZE: That graph should be all Obama needs to win reelection--if the public ever gets a chance to see it. I wonder if there's anything in the debate rules to prevent him from blowing it up and hanging a copy from his lectern for the whole 90 minutes.


...unfortunately, 40% of the country is already cognizant of this, 40% of the country will look at that and scream "NUH UH LIBERAL LAMESTREAM MEDIA SOCIALISM FARTBAMA" and flip the channel back to FNC ASAP, and 20% of the country is sniffing their own farts wondering if Honey Boo Boo on that thar teevee box ain't makin' the room stank.
 
2012-09-03 09:46:15 PM  

gamempire: He was an OK mayor in Baltimore, but at the state level as governor, he's beyond awful. He's going to use his last two years in office as a springboard to try and get the Democratic nomination in 2016, instead of trying to fix some of the problems he's created in Maryland. Problem is he has no chance at getting it; the guy has more skeletons in his closet than Nixon and Agnew combined. I despise FOX News, but they're going to have a field day with him in a few years.


Really, this is what you're going with? You despise Fox news because they're flatly dishonest, but you're a neutral booster for "positive reform"? Except that you withdraw that support the instant some outlying twink supplies you with "incontrovertible evidence of O'Malley malfeasance"? An actual party operative uses actual cognitive ability before considering such a brassy move.
 
2012-09-03 10:11:37 PM  
Dear my fellow Farkers... Having lived with him as mayor and gov, I feel the need to inform you all that he is nothing but a douchebag hack of a politician... Oh, and he's evil too.
 
2012-09-03 10:30:10 PM  
Yes, I am better off. I was hired shortly after the stimulus, and while my company would certainly have hired many people anyway, the stimulus bill was a huge boon for my industry, so we've had several record years of hiring because of it. Some people in my company, possibly myself, would likely not have been hired without that.

And even those who would still have been employed benefited - our bonuses are tied to both individual and company performance, so a rising tide lifts all boats.
 
2012-09-03 10:34:21 PM  

theknuckler_33: Ryan: "Without a change in leadership, why would the next four years be any different from the last four years?"

One prominent Democrat said the answer to the question was "no."

Since when is a "why" question answered yes/no?

"But that's not the question of this election," Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley said on CBS on Sunday. "The question, without a doubt, we are not as well off as we were before George Bush brought us the Bush job losses, the Bush recession, the Bush deficits, the series of desert wars -- charged for the first time to credit cards, the national credit cards."

Oh yea, O'Malley really fileted Obama there.

Republicans pounced on O'Malley's admission, with Ryan issuing a statement saying it was proof that Obama's policies aren't working.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 520x399]


This is why it's bad that Republicans don't care about science. In their world anything can be proof of anything.

I'm still waiting for Romney or Ryan to explain how America is worse off right now than it was 4 years ago when the entire world economy collapsed. My company almost went under, I lost benefits and we fired a bunch of people. I recently got a raise and we're hiring again and getting new clients.

I know lots of people are still struggling but does anyone honestly think America is not better off than 4 years ago?
 
2012-09-04 12:19:59 AM  
I don't think it matters if we were better off 4 years ago. Just like any other change in presidents, some policies last a long time after someone leaves office, and you can't blame everything on the new guy. Bush wasn't responsible for the collapse of the dotcom bubble. Obama isn't responsible for the wars and recession.

However, we are absolutely much MUCH better off than we were 80 years ago. MUCH better. And the Repubs are trying to undo everything that was done in that time to support a growing middle class. A Democrat congress could vacation for 4 years and do a better job, because they wouldn't be trying to fark us 24/7.
 
2012-09-04 01:10:11 AM  

Codenamechaz: SlothB77: O'Malley and Maryland democrats were against casinos and slots in maryland while Ehrlich (R) was Governor and wanted to legalize them in the state. They blocked casinos and slots the entire Ehrlich tenure. Then when O'Malley was elected, Maryland dems approved casinos and slots and now they are taking all the credit for legalizing gambling in Maryland.

/table games now allowed in maryland.

Actually, the only reason they legalized casino gambling in Maryland was because of the Referendum that passed in 08.


O'Malley was a very vocal proponent for casinos in '08. 1.3 million Marylanders voted for it.
 
2012-09-04 02:43:29 AM  
And I bet he blamed it on Bush.

/Did he?
//didn't read the article.
 
2012-09-04 05:22:04 AM  

Bob16: The Banksters are better off

Wall Street is better off

The health insurance companies have a captive customer base now so they sure are better off.

Obama went to bat for all of them and made sure they were better off.

But the O-bots want you to stop blaming Obama because Joe six pack isn't better off. Their ass-kissing analysis boils down to "you joe six packs have an unrealistic expectation of what Obama can do for you".

They are just like the Bush ass kissers.



Who pushed for more Wall Street reform? Who tried to get a public option? And who worked tirelessly to put up every possible roadblock they could to keep any of that from happening?

You are an idiot. I can't say anything else about you. Words fail me. The desire to even be civil to you filth anymore is more than I can stand.

You are an idiot.
 
2012-09-04 08:25:57 AM  
The question is, do you think the GOP would have dragged us over a cliff?

No doubt in my mind they would have.
 
2012-09-04 09:17:19 AM  

Tumunga: And I bet he blamed it on Bush.

/Did he?
//didn't read the article.


No, he didn't. I thought I had you on ignore. Ok, well now I do. *click*
 
2012-09-04 10:03:47 PM  
Martin O'Malley is addressing the DNC as I write this.
 
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