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(Daily Kos)   If you are a Colorado Democrat you might want to check to see if you been purged off the list of registered voters   (dailykos.com) divider line 93
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2012-09-03 12:37:43 AM  
systematic voter suppression is just the Republican party's way of protecting you from big government, because what's more governmenty than letting citizens participate in it.
 
2012-09-03 12:40:05 AM  
Fark you, Republicans.
 
2012-09-03 12:59:01 AM  
I am wondering if there is some legal way to prevent this purge. Does anyone have any ideas?

HELLYEAH I do!! Get a shiatload of fertilizer and a barrel of diesel, then...oh, legal...

Well, call the ACLU or some other commie-lib people that actually think eligible voters should be able to, y'know, vote. E-mail everyone you know, call people, etc, tell them where to go and what to do to re-register or whatever, and have them do the same.
 
2012-09-03 01:12:28 AM  
The Fascist pigs are up to their old tricks.
 
2012-09-03 01:40:52 AM  
If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.
 
2012-09-03 02:14:40 AM  
GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

UFO sightings are more common than voter fraud
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/voter-id-laws-charts-maps

GOP admits it wants to making it more difficult to vote
http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/28/you-gotta-fight-for-yo u r-right-to-vote
http://www.freep.com/article/20120807/COL33/120807094/Stephen-Henders o n-A-lousy-feeling-on-Election-Day-thanks-to-Secretary-of-State-Ruth-Jo hnson-

4 GOP staffers indicted in "blatant and disgraceful" election fraud
http://politic365.com/2012/08/09/4-republican-staffers-indicted-for-b l atant-and-disgraceful-voter-fraud-in-michigan/

Proven GOP voter fraud. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/us/indiana-secretary-of-state-convic ted-in-voter-fraud-case.html?_r=1

More GOP fraud. This time in Massachusetts
http://www.wgbhnews.org/post/galvin-calls-voter-fraud-allegations-pre t ty-extreme

Columbus Ohio GOP Chair Opposes More Early Voting, Saying It Helps African-Americans
"I guess I really actually feel we shouldn't contort the voting process to accommodate the urban - read African-American - voter-turnout machine," said Doug Preisse, chairman of the county Republican Party and elections board member who voted against weekend hours, in an email to The Dispatch. "Let's be fair and reasonable."

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/08/19/fight-over-p o ll-hours-isnt-just-political.html
 
2012-09-03 02:15:24 AM  

CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.


So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?
 
2012-09-03 02:24:04 AM  

Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression


b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!
or something
 
2012-09-03 02:53:01 AM  
How much you want to bet this guy has a Hispanic-sounding last name?
 
2012-09-03 08:14:56 AM  
Probably a good idea for everybody in every state to stay on top of current voter laws and make sure everything is in order.
 
2012-09-03 08:46:17 AM  

Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?


Well obviously. Both sides are bad.
 
2012-09-03 09:18:45 AM  
Is it just me or did that read like something that had it's "FWD, FWD, FWD, FWD, FWD..." removed...
 
2012-09-03 09:24:56 AM  
Dead democrats still allowed to vote...
 
2012-09-03 09:50:47 AM  

Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?


I'm saying that, unless you have another source, all we know is there an unconfirmed report by someone claiming to have been visited by the Obama campaign, and she knows that of the supposed 20000 purged voters, two were Democrats, in a state with a Democrat governor and lieutenant governor, and she's already concluded that the evil Republicans are behind it. That's an assumption as unfounded as my previous sentence is run-on.
 
2012-09-03 10:14:08 AM  
Remember kids: if you're a voter, the Republicans think you're evil and need to be stopped.
 
2012-09-03 10:39:52 AM  

LordZorch: Dead democrats still allowed to vote...


Everyone knows the dead vote Republican
 
2012-09-03 11:43:10 AM  
This happened to me in Arizona.
 
2012-09-03 12:14:29 PM  
by I'm a frayed knot

You know, while I believe voter purges to be a real problem, I'm not putting much stock in what is said by some person can't be bothered to put their name on it.
 
2012-09-03 12:14:41 PM  

SilentStrider: Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?

Well obviously. Both sides are bad.


So vote Green
 
2012-09-03 12:18:13 PM  

serial_crusher: Probably a good idea for everybody in every state to stay on top of current voter laws and make sure everything is in order.


Very much this. There's going to be a lot of shady business going on nationwide, and a lot of people who would rather you just not vote. I don't know about the rest of the country, but in PA, be sure to have a government-issued ID with a photo and an expiration date. They'll be more than happy to turn you away if you don't have one.
 
2012-09-03 12:23:35 PM  
-create public stink over unauthorized voters at the polls
-use illegal tricks to kick legit people off the roles
-on election day, millions show up but cant vote, thus proving the first point.
-since the election can only be held on one day, there cant be a do over even though the original of kicking people off the roles was illegal
 
2012-09-03 12:24:03 PM  

CreamFilling: Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?

I'm saying that, unless you have another source, all we know is there an unconfirmed report by someone claiming to have been visited by the Obama campaign, and she knows that of the supposed 20000 purged voters, two were Democrats, in a state with a Democrat governor and lieutenant governor, and she's already concluded that the evil Republicans are behind it. That's an assumption as unfounded as my previous sentence is run-on.


The Secretary of State is the election official in CO. He is a Republican. So partisan one, that after he was elected, he announced he was going to continue working at his law firm (which was the CO election law firm for the GOP) during evenings and weekends.

This email is not exactly factually accurate, but Scott Gessler has been working very hard to suppress the independent and Dem vote here. Most of his efforts have been fruitless when they are statewide or flat out ignored by designated election officials on the county level. But he's doing his best.

And hey, he's put in hundreds of thousands of dollars and countless man hours and he has found 6 illegal immigrants who voted. Maybe. Except that maybe he hasn't.

/had one guy convicted of voter fraud from the 2010 elections.
//he was a white Republican who thought you could vote in any state you own property.
 
2012-09-03 12:24:32 PM  

LordZorch: Dead democrats still allowed to vote...


Laziest. Troll. Ever.
 
2012-09-03 12:26:14 PM  
original act*
 
2012-09-03 12:27:15 PM  
Riiiiight.

Some anonymous diarist on a leftie blog claims that someone showed up at his door saying that if he didn't sign these papers, he wouldn't be able to vote?

I'll believe it when I see pr--
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/29/colorado-voter-purge-list_n_ 1 841731.html

Uh...

Nevermind.
 
2012-09-03 12:28:09 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!or something


You really have to think about the thought processes going on in the people who frothed over the Acorn shiat.

Either you have an organization that takes every application for voter registration and turns them in flagging the ones they think is fraudulent, which Acorn did.

OR.

You have an organization that looks at every voter registration, picks out ones they think are fraudulent (or perhaps registering for the other party) and throws those away, never to be turned in.

Which is worse?
 
2012-09-03 12:28:54 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: -create public stink over unauthorized voters at the polls
-use illegal tricks to kick legit people off the roles
-on election day, millions show up but cant vote, thus proving the first point.
-since the election can only be held on one day, there cant be a do over even though the original of kicking people off the roles was illegal


-profit

/you forgot one
 
2012-09-03 12:29:47 PM  
One of my friends had just registered over in Colorado. He said they're basically out in force (especially when Obama spoke in Boulder yesterday). And it's not like you're made to register Democrat. You can still be any party you want.

Funny how Obama is trying to help people register while the GOP is excluding people via Voter ID laws to stop the massive voter fraud (massive meaning tens of people that were caught for it years ago).
 
2012-09-03 12:37:09 PM  
For those who may be suspicious of an anonymous post in a DailyKos diary, there are other sources for the Colorado purge:

The Associated Press (published in the Austin Statesman): http://www.statesman.com/news/nation/colorado-voter-purge-finds-many-s uspected-ineligible-voters-2445872.html

Tara Culp-Ressler, ThinkProgress.org: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/08/30/774461/colorado-voter-purg e-finds-us-citizens/

Ressler mentiones these tid-bits:

"Although Gessler denies his attempted voter purge has any political motivation, about 40 percent of his letters were sent to registered Democrats, while only 13 percent went to Republicans. Voter suppression tactics, such as Gov. Rick Scott's (R-FL) failed voter purge in Florida, do tend to disproportionately target Democrat and Latino voters.

Despite the fact that Republican lawmakers across the country have been pursuing similarly aggressive strategies to tamp down "voter fraud" in their states, the only real threat to democracy is the voter suppression they perpetrate under the guise of stopping it. When pressed on the issue, even the authors and biggest proponents of stringent voter ID laws cannot cite examples of in-person voter impersonation. This is probably due to the fact that a person is more likely to be struck by lightning than commit voter fraud."
 
2012-09-03 12:38:30 PM  

WizardofToast: One of my friends had just registered over in Colorado. He said they're basically out in force (especially when Obama spoke in Boulder yesterday). And it's not like you're made to register Democrat. You can still be any party you want.

Funny how Obama is trying to help people register while the GOP is excluding people via Voter ID laws to stop the massive voter fraud (massive meaning tens of people that were caught for it years ago).


That reminds me...James O'Queef hasn't reared his ugly head in a while after that little voter fraud stunt of his own. Wonder if he realized he's pretty farked if he goes public again.
 
2012-09-03 12:38:33 PM  
Find Your Registration

Our Secretary of State is a proud and dedicated Republican Party operative who has been doing everything he thinks he can get away with to suppress non-Republican voting.
 
2012-09-03 12:41:14 PM  

CreamFilling: I'm saying that, unless you have another source, all we know is there an unconfirmed report by someone claiming to have been visited by the Obama campaign, and she knows that of the supposed 20000 purged voters, two were Democrats, in a state with a Democrat governor and lieutenant governor, and she's already concluded that the evil Republicans are behind it. That's an assumption as unfounded as my previous sentence is run-on.


Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to the past six months?

/I'm guessing "No."
 
2012-09-03 12:42:18 PM  
OK.

So I've used my voter registration information to verify who I am to the state board of unclaimed property.
I voted in the primary

I go to check on Orange County, California's web site to see if I'm registered.

I'm not.

EVERYONE needs to check.

EVERYONE.

It's not just Colorado. This is systemic.

/ Now officially pissed off
// Tuesday some Orange county election officials are going to get serious grief by phone
 
2012-09-03 12:44:35 PM  
"Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done." - Mike Turzai (R).
 
2012-09-03 12:47:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!or something


They found Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler signed the recall petitions after I signed their names!!! THAT PROVES THE DIMORATS ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION!!!!

We had people in WI that claimed to sign obviously fake names just to mess with circulators, then they raged about false names being found on the petitions. Not even kidding. Wish I was.
 
2012-09-03 12:47:53 PM  

Zalan: Lionel Mandrake: Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!or something

You really have to think about the thought processes going on in the people who frothed over the Acorn shiat.

Either you have an organization that takes every application for voter registration and turns them in flagging the ones they think is fraudulent, which Acorn did.

OR.

You have an organization that looks at every voter registration, picks out ones they think are fraudulent (or perhaps registering for the other party) and throws those away, never to be turned in.

Which is worse?


I had a friend who worked for ACORN. Yep, every single voter registration form was counted. If someone turned in 7 and was given 20, there better be 13 blank ones turned in too. Legally, they had to turn in even stupid nonsense - but on the plus side, they got many, many people registered who simply wouldn't have otherwise. One trip they did IIRC was to a low income senior complex - young people, yeah, often laziness. But elderly people who want to vote (hey, better late than never) and don't have easy or any internet access, can't get out to the secretary of state, etc.. they provided a *damn* good service.

On the flip side, a coworker of mine registered to vote on her college campus. Found out on election day that she wasn't actually registered.

I'm surprised more conservative groups don't do that sort of thing more often, especially during freshmen events week stuff. Be the star of your Young Republican group! Just make sure not to get your "toss" and "submit" piles mixed up!
 
2012-09-03 12:49:17 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lionel Mandrake: Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!or something

They found Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler signed the recall petitions after I signed their names!!! THAT PROVES THE DIMORATS ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION!!!!

We had people in WI that claimed to sign obviously fake names just to mess with circulators, then they raged about false names being found on the petitions. Not even kidding. Wish I was.


Which, of course, is the whole damn point of the certification process...

/as Thad McCotter found out here
//.... eventually.
 
2012-09-03 12:51:21 PM  

GitOffaMyLawn: OK.

So I've used my voter registration information to verify who I am to the state board of unclaimed property.
I voted in the primary

I go to check on Orange County, California's web site to see if I'm registered.

I'm not.

EVERYONE needs to check.

EVERYONE.

It's not just Colorado. This is systemic.

/ Now officially pissed off
// Tuesday some Orange county election officials are going to get serious grief by phone


In tune with GitOffAMyLawn, my name had been purged before the recall primary. I had not moved in 7 years, hence the same polling place/district, and had voted at every election during that time. I was turned away and had to go home, print out a utility bill between 30 and 90 days old, come back, and re-register before I could vote. And the WI GOP wants to do away with same day registration, which would have meant I could not have voted at all.
 
2012-09-03 12:53:40 PM  

Codenamechaz: WizardofToast: One of my friends had just registered over in Colorado. He said they're basically out in force (especially when Obama spoke in Boulder yesterday). And it's not like you're made to register Democrat. You can still be any party you want.

Funny how Obama is trying to help people register while the GOP is excluding people via Voter ID laws to stop the massive voter fraud (massive meaning tens of people that were caught for it years ago).

That reminds me...James O'Queef hasn't reared his ugly head in a while after that little voter fraud stunt of his own. Wonder if he realized he's pretty farked if he goes public again.


The government is sending bureaucrats to stop him from doing journalism! Alternatively, he's on probation for trying to break into a federal office (to tap a senator's phone), and isn't allowed to leave the state. Seriously.
 
2012-09-03 01:04:09 PM  

Codenamechaz: WizardofToast: One of my friends had just registered over in Colorado. He said they're basically out in force (especially when Obama spoke in Boulder yesterday). And it's not like you're made to register Democrat. You can still be any party you want.

Funny how Obama is trying to help people register while the GOP is excluding people via Voter ID laws to stop the massive voter fraud (massive meaning tens of people that were caught for it years ago).

That reminds me...James O'Queef hasn't reared his ugly head in a while after that little voter fraud stunt of his own. Wonder if he realized he's pretty farked if he goes public again.


Probably because his meal ticket (Breitbart) is now worm food that and he's a criminal.
 
2012-09-03 01:07:00 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Which, of course, is the whole damn point of the certification process...


The funny thing about that was the courts laid out that burden of proof is on proving the names are false. Whenever we found a duplicate, or an obviously fake name we would document the petition number and line, and report it as fraudulent to central so that they didn't count it. If something was suspicious we flagged it as suspicious and reported it. But when these people signed bullshiat names just so they would be found they didn't think their plan through, since we were under no obligation to make sure it was legit, and "their team" would have to spend their resources finding it.

One example I marked as fraudulent, that wasn't counted:
Name: Worthless Hippie,
Address: 666 Get a Job Lane,
City: Fark You

One example marked as suspicious: Minnie Mouse. Minnie is a legit first name, and Mouse is a legit last name. The address the provided showed up within the city listed. Suspicious? Yes. Known fraudulent? No. Would most people with the last name "Mouse" name their daughter "Minnie." Most wouldn't. Could Minnie grow up and marry a man named "James Mouse" and take his last name? Absolutely.
 
2012-09-03 01:07:39 PM  

sno man: Is it just me or did that read like something that had it's "FWD, FWD, FWD, FWD, FWD..." removed...


It's just you. In my experience, Democrats/liberals/progressives don't send crap around like that via email.
 
2012-09-03 01:16:48 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: On the flip side, a coworker of mine registered to vote on her college campus. Found out on election day that she wasn't actually registered.


That happens a lot, particularly on college campuses for some reason. It's blatant fraud and probably 90% of the time, it's committed by Republicans. But very rarely a Democrat will do it too, so both sides are equally bad.

/someone wanna explain to me why attempting to rig an election isn't considered treason?
 
2012-09-03 01:20:06 PM  
Interesting since only the Republicans seem to be interested in preventing voter fraud....then again, the Democrats know their base.
 
2012-09-03 01:21:55 PM  

Gunther: /someone wanna explain to me why attempting to rig an election isn't considered treason?


Because socialisms and Kenyan usurper and Jesus.

Really.
 
2012-09-03 01:29:34 PM  

CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.


You might, but it would be pointless grandstanding, since they aren't purging Republicans.
 
2012-09-03 01:29:47 PM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Don't Troll Me Bro!: Lionel Mandrake: Bucky Katt: GOP electoral fraud and voter suppression

b-b-b-b-but ACORN LET MICKEY MOUSE VOTE!!1!!or something

They found Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler signed the recall petitions after I signed their names!!! THAT PROVES THE DIMORATS ARE TRYING TO STEAL THE ELECTION!!!!

We had people in WI that claimed to sign obviously fake names just to mess with circulators, then they raged about false names being found on the petitions. Not even kidding. Wish I was.

Which, of course, is the whole damn point of the certification process...

/as Thad McCotter found out here
//.... eventually.


IIRC: what brought down McCotter's campaign is that his staffers took a single proper nominating petition and copied it a few hundred times. They then turned in these copies saying that they had the requisite number of signatures to put his name on the ballot. McCotter, like him or not, was completely in the dark (so he says) about all this.

His staffers get free room and board for a few months or so, McCotter gets to spend more time with his family.
 
2012-09-03 01:41:49 PM  

CreamFilling: Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?

I'm saying that, unless you have another source, all we know is there an unconfirmed report by someone claiming to have been visited by the Obama campaign, and she knows that of the supposed 20000 purged voters, two were Democrats, in a state with a Democrat governor and lieutenant governor, and she's already concluded that the evil Republicans are behind it. That's an assumption as unfounded as my previous sentence is run-on.


I hate to say this, but I agree with you. It does read as a fwd: fwd: fwd:fwd: Although I would not put it past the GOP. And people wouldn't be so ready to believe it if there weren't so many cases of the GOP actually doing this type of crap.

/just sayin'
//just sayin' slashies are fun amirite?
 
2012-09-03 01:49:04 PM  
Texas is purging Dems from the voter registration list by saying they received a report voter was deceased. The letters they are sending out are written in such a confusing manner, I fear some won't understand what they need to do to remain registered.
 
2012-09-03 02:16:44 PM  

thenewmissus: CreamFilling: Bucky Katt: CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.

So you're saying GOP voters are also getting purged?

I'm saying that, unless you have another source, all we know is there an unconfirmed report by someone claiming to have been visited by the Obama campaign, and she knows that of the supposed 20000 purged voters, two were Democrats, in a state with a Democrat governor and lieutenant governor, and she's already concluded that the evil Republicans are behind it. That's an assumption as unfounded as my previous sentence is run-on.

I hate to say this, but I agree with you. It does read as a fwd: fwd: fwd:fwd: Although I would not put it past the GOP. And people wouldn't be so ready to believe it if there weren't so many cases of the GOP actually doing this type of crap.

/just sayin'
//just sayin' slashies are fun amirite?


I take my comment back now. Apparently, there are other news sources reporting this as well. So now it is just the liebrul media (just kidding) trying to let all the illegal aliens vote. Darn libruls!

/imagine the previous statement with the voice of Ennis from the Dukes of Hazzard
//done? now you sound like one of my neighbors
 
2012-09-03 02:18:06 PM  
fark! I just checked my voter reg. status even though I received a new registration card a few weeks ago. I'm not registered to vote. There's no record of me voting. God dammit.
 
2012-09-03 02:22:54 PM  

WizardofToast: Funny how Obama is trying to help people register while the GOP is excluding people via Voter ID laws to stop the massive voter fraud (massive meaning tens of people that were caught for it years ago).


Well, yeah.

If the US had compulsory voting, and all eligible voters were required to vote, the Democrats would win in a landslide every time. Both parties know this.

This is why the Democratic strategy centers around registering voters, and the Republican strategy centers around purging voter registrations, enacting new ID requirements, eliminating early voting, and enacting other obstacles, and generally trying to suppress turnout.
 
2012-09-03 02:25:42 PM  
Guys, I ...I've been told that this proves that, in fact, both sides are bad and I should vote republican. Is that true?
 
2012-09-03 02:29:21 PM  

karnal: Interesting since only the Republicans seem to be interested in preventing voter fraud....then again, the Democrats know their base.


republican mike turzai from penn: ["Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend.]

it's no accident that these voter suppression efforts disenfranchise democrats

why are you being intellectually dishonest about this?
 
2012-09-03 02:44:09 PM  

Bontesla: Fark you, Republicans.


^
 
2012-09-03 02:50:45 PM  

Epoch_Zero: Guys, I ...I've been told that this proves that, in fact, both sides are bad and I should vote republican. Is that true?


Absolutely. If you live in Illinois your R vote will offset my grandfather's D vote. He's been dead since 1983 but hasn't missed an election since the '20's. Vote early, vote often.
 
2012-09-03 02:53:47 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Absolutely. If you live in Illinois your R vote will offset my grandfather's D vote. He's been dead since 1983 but hasn't missed an election since the '20's. Vote early, vote often.


You might want to know that happened back in the '60s; you're using a talking derping point that's been out of date and irrelevant for longer than most of us have been alive.
 
2012-09-03 03:41:20 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Anderson's Pooper: Absolutely. If you live in Illinois your R vote will offset my grandfather's D vote. He's been dead since 1983 but hasn't missed an election since the '20's. Vote early, vote often.

You might want to know that happened back in the '60s; you're using a talking derping point that's been out of date and irrelevant for longer than most of us have been alive.


Hey, ya gotta go with what ya got...even when it's nothing
 
2012-09-03 03:52:16 PM  

gadian: fark! I just checked my voter reg. status even though I received a new registration card a few weeks ago. I'm not registered to vote. There's no record of me voting. God dammit.


Yeah, but those of us who know you, know you're just a dirty hippie. Even us former 'pub converts.
 
2012-09-03 03:56:39 PM  
wookiee cookie


karnal: Interesting since only the Republicans seem to be interested in preventing voter fraud....then again, the Democrats know their base.

republican mike turzai from penn: ["Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend.]

it's no accident that these voter suppression efforts disenfranchise democrats

why are you being intellectually dishonest about this?


Funny.....Is that the Dim's new buzz word? "intellectually dishonest"? Say it - say it often. How you guys fight and rail against voter id laws....must be a reason for it. Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?
 
2012-09-03 04:04:36 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: -create public stink over unauthorized voters at the polls
-use illegal tricks to kick legit people off the roles
-on election day, millions show up but cant vote, thus proving the first point.
-since the election can only be held on one day, there cant be a do over even though the original of kicking people off the roles was illegal


This is pretty much completely in line with the GOP's SOP of "deliberately break X then trumpet that X is broken."

See: The budget, enforcement of safety regulations in oil drilling, enforcement of banking regulations, the operation of Congress, Medicare part D, preventing Medicare/Medicaid from using their purchasing power to negotiate lower drug prices thereby proving that they overpay, the public school system, infrastructure maintainence... Now we can add "voting rights" to that list I guess.

Someone should start a "List of things the GOP delibrately broke in order to claim they're broken" to go along with the LOPCATGOPATA.
 
2012-09-03 04:08:55 PM  

karnal: How you guys fight and rail against voter id laws....must be a reason for it. Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?


Poll taxes have repeatedly been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, since they have the effect of disenfranchising the poor and minorities in particular.

A voter ID law that requires possession of a state-issued ID which costs money to obtain (as they almost all do) is a de facto poll tax.

That's my main problem with it. My secondary problem with it is that all of these voter ID laws have nothing to do with preventing voter fraud (which is vanishingly rare) but are a rather transparent attempt by Republicans to disenfranchise Democratic voters for their own partisan political ends.

Same reason they oppose early voting, same reason they oppose same-day registration, same reason they oppose community organizations that focus on registering voters. The more roadblocks they can throw up to the voting process, the fewer eligible voters who are allowed to toe, the better it is for e GOP.
 
2012-09-03 04:12:00 PM  
Still registered. Going to keep an eye on this, though. Thanks for the heads-up.
 
2012-09-03 04:12:37 PM  
Republicans have become so blantant about rigging elections that they barely even try to hide it anymore. I mean in one state they have different voting times in democratic and republican discticts that were obviously meant to reswtrict hours in democratic areas. It stinks of desperation and I only hope that this crap just makes people angry and start a massive voter reg drive
 
2012-09-03 04:14:13 PM  

IvanTheSilent: Yeah, but those of us who know you, know you're just a dirty hippie. Even us former 'pub converts.


But I showered this morning. Last night. Sometime recently.
 
2012-09-03 04:16:26 PM  

Doc Daneeka: Poll taxes have repeatedly been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, since they have the effect of disenfranchising the poor and minorities in particular.


THE CONSTITUTION IS UNAMERICAN LIBERAL PROPAGANDA.
 
2012-09-03 04:17:54 PM  

karnal: Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?


I agree 100%! And I can even think of a way to implement it. Hear me out here:

In order to, you know, make sure no "noncitizens" cast a fraudulent vote, we can make them provide proof that their grandfather was a naturally born US citizen. That ought to cut down on all that FRAUD from the undesirable types, eh? Eh?
 
2012-09-03 04:20:37 PM  

Doc Daneeka: A voter ID law that requires possession of a state-issued ID which costs money to obtain (as they almost all do) is a de facto poll tax.


[Citation Needed] for current ID-required states.

Damn near everything required to go out and vote requires some sort of monetary investment.*

*Offer not valid in Oregon
 
2012-09-03 04:28:48 PM  
gilgigamesh

karnal: Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?

I agree 100%! And I can even think of a way to implement it. Hear me out here:

In order to, you know, make sure no "noncitizens" cast a fraudulent vote, we can make them provide proof that their grandfather was a naturally born US citizen. That ought to cut down on all that FRAUD from the undesirable types, eh? Eh?


Doesn't sound like you are really sincere unless you use the phrase "disenfranchise Democratic voters" because that is all voter id laws do, dontchaknow? And just the Democratic voters.


/too funny
 
2012-09-03 04:31:00 PM  

Doc Daneeka: karnal: How you guys fight and rail against voter id laws....must be a reason for it. Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?

Poll taxes have repeatedly been ruled unconstitutional by the courts, since they have the effect of disenfranchising the poor and minorities in particular.

A voter ID law that requires possession of a state-issued ID which costs money to obtain (as they almost all do) is a de facto poll tax.

That's my main problem with it. My secondary problem with it is that all of these voter ID laws have nothing to do with preventing voter fraud (which is vanishingly rare) but are a rather transparent attempt by Republicans to disenfranchise Democratic voters for their own partisan political ends.

Same reason they oppose early voting, same reason they oppose same-day registration, same reason they oppose community organizations that focus on registering voters. The more roadblocks they can throw up to the voting process, the fewer eligible voters who are allowed to toe, the better it is for e GOP.



Hey, commie, that less-than-one-fraudulent-vote-per-state-per-year is THE GREATEST THREAT TO OUR FREEDOM SINCE HITLER!!!1! WE MUST ACT NOWNOWNOWNOW!!!eleven!!
 
2012-09-03 04:33:09 PM  

karnal: wookiee cookie


karnal: Interesting since only the Republicans seem to be interested in preventing voter fraud....then again, the Democrats know their base.

republican mike turzai from penn: ["Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend.]

it's no accident that these voter suppression efforts disenfranchise democrats

why are you being intellectually dishonest about this?

Funny.....Is that the Dim's new buzz word? "intellectually dishonest"? Say it - say it often. How you guys fight and rail against voter id laws....must be a reason for it. Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?


yeh i made this exact charge against you elsewhere recently

"intellectually dishonest" is accurate. you intellectually know the points i'm making are correct, but you dishonestly pretend they aren't.

or you ignore them. like you're doing here. like you've done before.

that's why the term is often correctly used against cons these days. it's apt.

and at first glance, sure, it seems perfectly reasonable to have an id card to vote (as long as it's free, otherwise you're charging people just to vote, which is poll tax territory)

but these id's aren't free. but more than that, it's unreasonable to roll out these broad changes to voting rules in the months before a major election.

republicans also tried to restrict early voting on the weekends in ohio (except for veterans!), knowing full well they would be disenfranchising more dems than repubs.

they've looked for evidence of widescale in-person voter fraud. turns out it doesn't exist.

republicans want less people to vote. why? because higher voter turnout benefits democrats more than republicans.

this is con game, so to speak. everyone knows it. including you.
 
2012-09-03 04:43:14 PM  

karnal: gilgigamesh

karnal: Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?

I agree 100%! And I can even think of a way to implement it. Hear me out here:

In order to, you know, make sure no "noncitizens" cast a fraudulent vote, we can make them provide proof that their grandfather was a naturally born US citizen. That ought to cut down on all that FRAUD from the undesirable types, eh? Eh?

Doesn't sound like you are really sincere unless you use the phrase "disenfranchise Democratic voters" because that is all voter id laws do, dontchaknow? And just the Democratic voters.


/too funny


That sonic boom you just heard was the sound of the joke doing Mach-1 at about 30,000 feet over your head.
 
2012-09-03 04:46:32 PM  
thanks to you guys i checked my registration.

it's active.

and i have an acceptable photo ID.

nov 6th there will be people who don't like that. too bad.
 
2012-09-03 05:10:16 PM  
Wow..the derp is strong with this one. This purge is allegedly being done in secret so people don't know they are being purged. But, somehow because of the purge, it's causing Romney to be ahead of Obama in the polls.

Methinks the Obama campaign is just out scaring people....again.
 
2012-09-03 05:16:14 PM  

Cataholic: Wow..the derp is strong with this one. This purge is allegedly being done in secret so people don't know they are being purged. But, somehow because of the purge, it's causing Romney to be ahead of Obama in the polls. Methinks the Obama campaign is just out scaring people....again.


What the fark are you on about?
 
2012-09-03 05:24:33 PM  
Voter ID laws: A solution searching in vain for a problem.
 
2012-09-03 05:35:40 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: Voter ID laws: A solution searching in vain for a problem.


It's more like firebombing your neighborhood to get rid of a bunch of weeds taking up a square foot in your garden.
 
2012-09-03 05:52:21 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Fluorescent Testicle: Anderson's Pooper: Absolutely. If you live in Illinois your R vote will offset my grandfather's D vote. He's been dead since 1983 but hasn't missed an election since the '20's. Vote early, vote often.

You might want to know that happened back in the '60s; you're using a talking derping point that's been out of date and irrelevant for longer than most of us have been alive.

Hey, ya gotta go with what ya got...even when it's nothing


You all might want to recalibrate your snark-o-meters. Or maybe I need to be slightly more obvious. Also, Grampa did vote in an election after he died. He sent in an absentee ballot before kicking the bucket. Yes, he did vote D.
 
2012-09-03 06:01:02 PM  

WizardofToast: The Dog Ate My Homework: Voter ID laws: A solution searching in vain for a problem.

It's more like firebombing your neighborhood to get rid of a bunch of weeds taking up a square foot in your garden.


Nuke it from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2012-09-03 06:17:06 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Lionel Mandrake: Fluorescent Testicle: Anderson's Pooper: Absolutely. If you live in Illinois your R vote will offset my grandfather's D vote. He's been dead since 1983 but hasn't missed an election since the '20's. Vote early, vote often.

You might want to know that happened back in the '60s; you're using a talking derping point that's been out of date and irrelevant for longer than most of us have been alive.

Hey, ya gotta go with what ya got...even when it's nothing

You all might want to recalibrate your snark-o-meters. Or maybe I need to be slightly more obvious. Also, Grampa did vote in an election after he died. He sent in an absentee ballot before kicking the bucket. Yes, he did vote D.


I think the politics tab may have crossed Poe's Event Horizon. There's no turning back
 
2012-09-03 06:38:48 PM  

CreamFilling: If you're a Colorado Republican you might want to do the same thing, but that wouldn't be as interesting a headline.


It'll be much more interesting if any republican's are turned away on November 6. Listening to the right wing dickheads on fox quote-unquote news and talk radio complain how the "wrong" people were targeted will be priceless.
 
2012-09-03 06:50:57 PM  

karnal: Doesn't sound like you are really sincere unless you use the phrase "disenfranchise Democratic voters" because that is all voter id laws do, dontchaknow? And just the Democratic voters.


/too funny


They probably don't mind some collateral damage as long as the profiling sweeps up more more of the specific target.

Statistics donchaknow.
 
2012-09-03 06:54:21 PM  
 
2012-09-03 06:58:47 PM  

Cataholic:
Methinks the Obama campaign is just out scaring people....again.



Socialisms Socialisms. Sound familiar. Stupidity and lies from the right. Being informed of
shenanigans from Republicans by the Democratic party equals scare tactic. Gottcha.
 
2012-09-03 07:11:46 PM  

WizardofToast: The Dog Ate My Homework: Voter ID laws: A solution searching in vain for a problem.

It's more like firebombing your neighborhood to get rid of a bunch of weeds taking up a square foot in your garden.


... more like a square millimeter

/and all that needed to be done was to ramp up the punishment for the crime
//to make the risk-reward even lousier than its current state of super-ultra-freaking-duper-lousy
 
2012-09-03 07:58:42 PM  
Is it just me, or is the GOP using the exact same tactics Mexican politicians used to win these past elections?.
 
2012-09-03 09:15:10 PM  

CygnusDarius: Is it just me, or is the GOP using the exact same tactics Mexican politicians used to win these past elections?.


There are elections in Mexico? What else have you kept from me?!
 
2012-09-03 09:31:21 PM  

karnal: wookiee cookie


karnal: Interesting since only the Republicans seem to be interested in preventing voter fraud....then again, the Democrats know their base.

republican mike turzai from penn: ["Voter ID, which is going to allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done," he said to applause at a Republican State Committee this weekend.]

it's no accident that these voter suppression efforts disenfranchise democrats

why are you being intellectually dishonest about this?

Funny.....Is that the Dim's new buzz word? "intellectually dishonest"? Say it - say it often. How you guys fight and rail against voter id laws....must be a reason for it. Why is it wrong to have to prove you are a US citizen with the right to vote to be able to do so?



Consider suicide sooner rather than later.
 
2012-09-03 09:32:43 PM  

actualhuman: CygnusDarius: Is it just me, or is the GOP using the exact same tactics Mexican politicians used to win these past elections?.

There are elections in Mexico? What else have you kept from me?!


Carlos Mencia is not Mexican.
 
2012-09-03 11:45:53 PM  
Thanks subby. Not to be too paranoid, but Republicans have been gaming the voting system by purging eligible voters on the state level.

We just checked our registration. BF is registered and active, I was registered but inactive. Fixed that. Gonna let my super liberal coworkers know that they should check their statuses as well.

\liberals? In my Colorado? It's more likely than you might think!
 
2012-09-03 11:56:26 PM  
So far in this thread there were people from WI, TX and AK who found they were not on the voter registration rolls, go here to find out if you are on yours: http://www.canivote.org/
 
2012-09-04 12:33:56 AM  

glassgrl: So far in this thread there were people from WI, TX and AK who found they were not on the voter registration rolls, go here to find out if you are on yours: http://www.canivote.org/


Just did so.

My status as a nonpartisan Nebraskan has not been compromised, and my polling place is still a mere two blocks away from my house. I should be ready to rock in November.

/was a good idea to check, though, just in case
 
2012-09-04 01:25:37 AM  

Strix occidentalis: glassgrl: So far in this thread there were people from WI, TX and AK who found they were not on the voter registration rolls, go here to find out if you are on yours: http://www.canivote.org/

Just did so.

My status as a nonpartisan Nebraskan has not been compromised, and my polling place is still a mere two blocks away from my house. I should be ready to rock in November.

/was a good idea to check, though, just in case


Yep, I too am non partisan registered and seem to still be intact down at the recorders office. Glad I checked though.
I made a facebook post on this issue. Slacktivism, I know, but folks should check and make sure while there is still time.
 
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