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(The New York Times)   Having never visited New York City, MTA officials decide to banish garbage cans from subway stations to help keep them cleaner   (nytimes.com) divider line 31
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2012-09-03 01:30:30 AM  
6 votes:
FTA: "I'm actually very intrigued by this," said Joseph J. Lhota, the transportation authority's chairman, before urging riders to treat the subway "as you would treat your home."

I put trash cans in my home.
2012-09-03 01:30:12 AM  
4 votes:
getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of abortion to get rid of legitimate rape.
2012-09-03 01:38:09 AM  
3 votes:
It's just like the state parks removing their garbage cans and adopting the "carry-in, carry-out" policy. Assholes just leave their trash everywhere instead.
2012-09-03 01:31:54 AM  
3 votes:
This has got to be the most retarded idea I've heard of. It's right up there with "if we don't put ashtrays near the building, people won't smoke there", when what really happens is people who were smoking as they approach the building throw their butt on the ground, annoying themselves for having nowhere to put it, and the non-smokers for having butts all over the sidewalk.

/Non-smoker just for the record.
2012-09-03 01:26:05 AM  
3 votes:
Getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of black people to stop racism.
2012-09-03 01:13:13 AM  
3 votes:

HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.


That makes a hell of a lot more sense than getting rid of garbage cans to make the stations cleaner. That's like making a public restroom cleaner by removing the toilets.
2012-09-03 01:16:08 AM  
2 votes:
Let's be honest here -- the only reason MTA's removing the trash cans is the unionized "cleaners" don't clean worth a damn. Yes, there's a lot of traffic, but I've never seen a filthier subway system than NYCs.
2012-09-03 01:09:42 AM  
2 votes:
At Eighth Street, a rider wrote, in blue ink, "stupidest idea ever," before apparently being bested by a traveler with black ink, who crossed out the first word.

"Idea ever"? Wat?
2012-09-03 01:08:13 AM  
2 votes:
FTFA: The transportation authority removes 14,000 tons of trash from the subway annually, it said. A spokeswoman for the city's Sanitation Department said the reduction in trash at the two pilot locations had not burdened its collection operations at street level. "Sanitation has monitored these two locations and there has been no negative impact," the spokeswoman said.

The riders are not taking it home, they are just distributing it in a way that is not negatively affect the city's sanitation department..... yet. If the transportation authority promotes this program for all it's stations it will be noticed...... no money saved.... the problem was just moved around into someone else's department.
2012-09-03 04:46:50 AM  
1 votes:
Wow. That's amazing in how stupid it is. Really, I'm not even mad, I"m just impressed.

Smackledorfer: I never figured out why smokers are such pussies about the butts. You just had it in your mouth and were sucking on it. You already stink. Putting it out on the sole of your shoe and then pocketing it until you reach a trash bin is not a problem.

Or the people who smoke in their car but don't use the ashtray. Retards.


Heh. I work with an environmentally conscious group of folks who are stressed out as shiat - so high % of smokers. Including myself (although myself and a coworker have a quit pact starting on Tuesday). Everyone figures out where to put them - my personal choice is a prescription bottle in the outside pocket of my bag, in yet another inside pocket, emptied often. If someone tosses a butt on the ground, we all call them out on that crap.

That said, if I have an effing plastic glass half full, half of that ice + melted water because someone tried to save five cents on syrup and there's no trash can? Well.. if I remember before entering the subway, great. If it's packed full and I didn't, well, practically speaking...

/again, stupid
//even if it *was* empty I'm not a big fan of putting an open plastic cup that had sticky liquid in it recently into my goddamn shoulder bag
2012-09-03 04:44:18 AM  
1 votes:
I watched a man from a police station throw one to the street fully lit.
2012-09-03 04:24:49 AM  
1 votes:

Kensey: DC did this in the aftermath of 9/11. Here's how it went (from the DC Metro's own website):

"Metro has installed explosive-containment trash cans in Metrorail stations. Trash cans were removed from station platforms as a security precaution following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In 2002, Metro began placing new explosive-containment trash cans in the free areas of stations and modified recycling bins with narrow slots for newspaper disposal only. In 2005, Metro purchased additional explosive-containment trash cans and began installing them on station platforms after Metro riders noted more trash on trains and in stations."

And that's on a system that did not (even before 9/11) allow eating or drinking in stations or on platforms or trains. (Officially you can carry it but not consume it.) Metro has not, in my memory, ever had restrooms in stations either -- homeless people seem to use the elevators occasionally, but they don't stink of piss nearly as much as you'd expect.


I've also seen people just pissing into the tracks on the end of the platform behind the elevators (where there aren't many people), it's not as great a system as metro seems to think. And as somebody who has needed to piss really badly while on the Metro (long metro rides after a few drinks, though I've managed to hold it), I don't blame them.

And if I had to guess, I'd guess that the only reason they don't use the elevators is because the elevators are always broken. Even when they're not, they're so shiatty that I'm not surprised that people refuse to even piss in them.
2012-09-03 04:23:22 AM  
1 votes:
Wow... Just wow... DNRTFA or TFT, but it sounds stupid from teh getgo. If drunk me sees through it, GODDAMN WE ARE FARKED
2012-09-03 04:17:48 AM  
1 votes:

phalamir: HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.

And I want to bomb London flat because of it. Was the most annoying thing ever. If I stopped in to buy a water in a shop, I was wedded to that damn bottle for the rest of the day. I brought along a messenger bag to carry books and stuff in - and it spent most of its time as my personal trashcan. It was the farking IRA; the most piss-poor piss-ant excuse for a terrorist organization ever. Considering the Mayor of London thought the 1666 fire was perfectly okay, and Churchill let the Germans bomb Coventry for shiats and giggles, why, o why couldn't they let some retarded Irishmen (sorry: more retarded than usual Irishmen) play improvisational civic planners, and let me throw my trash away in a perfectly acceptable manner?


Holy christ ... just favorited you because of this post ... just shot my soda through my nose ... good show, sir!
2012-09-03 02:54:38 AM  
1 votes:

Smackledorfer: I never figured out why smokers are such pussies about the butts. You just had it in your mouth and were sucking on it. You already stink. Putting it out on the sole of your shoe and then pocketing it until you reach a trash bin is not a problem.

Or the people who smoke in their car but don't use the ashtray. Retards.


been a while since i've seen an ashtray in a vehicle. perhaps it's time you trade. as for the sole of the shoe, in the military we field stripped em. squeeze off the end, then easy to pocket and dispose of later - with even less odor to the pocket.
2012-09-03 02:54:20 AM  
1 votes:
yeah , this bound to fail the subway platforms are gonna look like a landfill, it will start slow a few people with put trash under a bench or in an out of the way corner and a few more will do the same thinking no one will notice just a little more trash and little by little over the course of a day it will pile up.

they will end up spending more on labor to pick the stuff up than they save on disposal cost from the small amount of trash that does not get dumped on the platform .
2012-09-03 02:37:55 AM  
1 votes:
I bet those MTA officials have never used the subway
2012-09-03 01:57:09 AM  
1 votes:
just got back from burning man - no trashcans and very little trash on the ground. Too bad most people can't be like burners.
2012-09-03 01:56:58 AM  
1 votes:

SuperDuperMatt: Getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of black people to stop racism.


JackalRabbit: getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of abortion to get rid of legitimate rape.


Double grins...

I don't know how it is in NYC, but in civilized parts of the world making it easy to dispose of trash means people use the receptacles. I've been given anecdote that in Indianapolis, after the Indy 500 it would take weeks to clean up. People were worried about the same trash problems when NASCAR was going to start doing their Brickyard race. NASCAR brought thousands of extra trashcans which they emptied frequently and the anecdote goes it took three days to gather up all the trash cans.

If you're worried about bombs then keep the openings small. Then the largest bomb is a few inches across. You will never eliminate bomb threats in crowded commuter passages but it's pretty easy to keep people from dropping backpack bombs into the trash cans.
2012-09-03 01:47:29 AM  
1 votes:

HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.


Londoners are a pretty clean bunch.

New York City people, heh, yeah.
2012-09-03 01:42:57 AM  
1 votes:
"trash hauls have decreased, it said, and the stations are cleaner."

Uh huh. Just wait until someone moves the sofa.

It's like these people have never been around kids before.
2012-09-03 01:37:15 AM  
1 votes:

buzzcut73: This has got to be the most retarded idea I've heard of. It's right up there with "if we don't put ashtrays near the building, people won't smoke there", when what really happens is people who were smoking as they approach the building throw their butt on the ground, annoying themselves for having nowhere to put it, and the non-smokers for having butts all over the sidewalk.

/Non-smoker just for the record.


But that's exactly the idea. There;s a garbage can outside of every subway station in the city. It's retarded to remove ashtrays from building entrances, but moving then from the door to 30 feet away works nicely, at least from the experience of buildings where I've seen it done.
2012-09-03 01:34:07 AM  
1 votes:

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: The transportation authority removes 14,000 tons of trash from the subway annually, it said. A spokeswoman for the city's Sanitation Department said the reduction in trash at the two pilot locations had not burdened its collection operations at street level. "Sanitation has monitored these two locations and there has been no negative impact," the spokeswoman said.

The riders are not taking it home, they are just distributing it in a way that is not negatively affect the city's sanitation department..... yet. If the transportation authority promotes this program for all it's stations it will be noticed...... no money saved.... the problem was just moved around into someone else's department.


I think this is probably true, but I actually salute the MTA for experimenting with the idea. It could be that over time if prople think they won't have a place to throw away their junk they won't bring it down the steps in the first place. Again, I think probably not but it's pretty easy to reverse the decision here if it turns out wrong. Yay for trying new things, I say.
2012-09-03 01:32:53 AM  
1 votes:

Kenny B: Now where are the winos going to wiz?


same place they do now -- anywhere
2012-09-03 01:26:07 AM  
1 votes:
In Philly, the 13th Street subway station of SEPTA (Slow Expensive Poor Transportation Anomily) was a public restroom. I remember in Paris, trash bins were either removed or welded shut because terrorists placed nail bombs in them. This was done in the Metro stations and on the streets of the city. Removing the bins in subway stations will cause people to put trash where ever they can- in the tube cars, for example.
2012-09-03 01:26:06 AM  
1 votes:
Nearby, in a narrow alcove between a pay phone kiosk and a vertical beam, riders appeared to have fashioned a rogue receptacle. Detritus piled about three feet high - a mélange of crushed energy drink cans; bottles of water and, in at least one case, vodka; mounds of wrappers and paper cups; and what appeared to have once been a white T-shirt.

I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way.

/s
2012-09-03 01:25:52 AM  
1 votes:

Podna: jshine: Neondistraction: That makes a hell of a lot more sense than getting rid of garbage cans to make the stations cleaner. That's like making a public restroom cleaner by removing the toilets.

Here in San Francisco, Bart stations basically are restrooms without toilets.

So where do republicans with a wide stance get serviced at?


In SF? There are too many options to list...
2012-09-03 01:22:53 AM  
1 votes:

jshine: Neondistraction: That makes a hell of a lot more sense than getting rid of garbage cans to make the stations cleaner. That's like making a public restroom cleaner by removing the toilets.

Here in San Francisco, Bart stations basically are restrooms without toilets.


FTFY.

Also, if I'm not supposed to poop on an escalator, where am I supposed to poop?
2012-09-03 01:16:38 AM  
1 votes:

Neondistraction: That makes a hell of a lot more sense than getting rid of garbage cans to make the stations cleaner. That's like making a public restroom cleaner by removing the toilets.


Here in San Francisco, Bart stations basically are restrooms without toilets.
2012-09-03 12:31:51 AM  
1 votes:
This operation can in no way have less than stellar results. Surely the organization whose crown jewel is only eighty years behind schedule will produce results which will not be facepalm-inducing.
2012-09-02 11:54:27 PM  
1 votes:
I'm totally sure that harried moms whose kid is done with his half-eaten ice cream cone will totally put it in her purse when they're getting onto the train.

Totally.
 
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