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(The New York Times)   Having never visited New York City, MTA officials decide to banish garbage cans from subway stations to help keep them cleaner   (nytimes.com) divider line 105
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2012-09-03 03:22:54 AM

Slaxl: SuperDuperMatt: Getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of black people to stop racism.

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Nah, make more. Lots more. Pretty please?
 
2012-09-03 03:57:59 AM
DC did this in the aftermath of 9/11. Here's how it went (from the DC Metro's own website):

"Metro has installed explosive-containment trash cans in Metrorail stations. Trash cans were removed from station platforms as a security precaution following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In 2002, Metro began placing new explosive-containment trash cans in the free areas of stations and modified recycling bins with narrow slots for newspaper disposal only. In 2005, Metro purchased additional explosive-containment trash cans and began installing them on station platforms after Metro riders noted more trash on trains and in stations."

And that's on a system that did not (even before 9/11) allow eating or drinking in stations or on platforms or trains. (Officially you can carry it but not consume it.) Metro has not, in my memory, ever had restrooms in stations either -- homeless people seem to use the elevators occasionally, but they don't stink of piss nearly as much as you'd expect.
 
2012-09-03 03:58:05 AM
I was in Manhattan last week and it seems that trash cans are hard to find anywhere. Yet they put there trash out every week in bags to get picked up.
 
2012-09-03 04:17:48 AM

phalamir: HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.

And I want to bomb London flat because of it. Was the most annoying thing ever. If I stopped in to buy a water in a shop, I was wedded to that damn bottle for the rest of the day. I brought along a messenger bag to carry books and stuff in - and it spent most of its time as my personal trashcan. It was the farking IRA; the most piss-poor piss-ant excuse for a terrorist organization ever. Considering the Mayor of London thought the 1666 fire was perfectly okay, and Churchill let the Germans bomb Coventry for shiats and giggles, why, o why couldn't they let some retarded Irishmen (sorry: more retarded than usual Irishmen) play improvisational civic planners, and let me throw my trash away in a perfectly acceptable manner?


Holy christ ... just favorited you because of this post ... just shot my soda through my nose ... good show, sir!
 
2012-09-03 04:23:22 AM
Wow... Just wow... DNRTFA or TFT, but it sounds stupid from teh getgo. If drunk me sees through it, GODDAMN WE ARE FARKED
 
2012-09-03 04:24:49 AM

Kensey: DC did this in the aftermath of 9/11. Here's how it went (from the DC Metro's own website):

"Metro has installed explosive-containment trash cans in Metrorail stations. Trash cans were removed from station platforms as a security precaution following the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. In 2002, Metro began placing new explosive-containment trash cans in the free areas of stations and modified recycling bins with narrow slots for newspaper disposal only. In 2005, Metro purchased additional explosive-containment trash cans and began installing them on station platforms after Metro riders noted more trash on trains and in stations."

And that's on a system that did not (even before 9/11) allow eating or drinking in stations or on platforms or trains. (Officially you can carry it but not consume it.) Metro has not, in my memory, ever had restrooms in stations either -- homeless people seem to use the elevators occasionally, but they don't stink of piss nearly as much as you'd expect.


I've also seen people just pissing into the tracks on the end of the platform behind the elevators (where there aren't many people), it's not as great a system as metro seems to think. And as somebody who has needed to piss really badly while on the Metro (long metro rides after a few drinks, though I've managed to hold it), I don't blame them.

And if I had to guess, I'd guess that the only reason they don't use the elevators is because the elevators are always broken. Even when they're not, they're so shiatty that I'm not surprised that people refuse to even piss in them.
 
2012-09-03 04:32:50 AM
Man-hat-ttan bah doopity doo.
if there's no trash then what should i do
hold an apple for a long time
or chuck it like an oompah looopity doo??
 
2012-09-03 04:36:33 AM
I did what the cops did and flicked my butt to the street. I did not want to do that but there are no trash cans.
 
2012-09-03 04:41:11 AM

Kelbel: I did what the cops did and flicked my butt to the street. I did not want to do that but there are no trash cans.


you throw lit cigarettes in the trash? no wonder there's so many explosions in NYC
 
2012-09-03 04:43:09 AM
I put it out and hang with the butt until I can find a disposal device. I threw my butts after they were out.
 
2012-09-03 04:44:18 AM
I watched a man from a police station throw one to the street fully lit.
 
2012-09-03 04:45:24 AM

cptjeff: I've also seen people just pissing into the tracks on the end of the platform behind the elevators (where there aren't many people), it's not as great a system as metro seems to think. And as somebody who has needed to piss really badly while on the Metro (long metro rides after a few drinks, though I've managed to hold it), I don't blame them.


The one I never could figure out was why, during the summers, the platform at Dupont Circle reeked of the stink of death coming out the wall vents. Seriously, I couldn't stand to be anywhere in front of them -- the only respite was to stand between vents, near the wall. I kept wondering if somebody managed to get into the vent ducts and die, and why Metro wasn't doing anything about it, whatever "it" was.
 
2012-09-03 04:46:50 AM
Wow. That's amazing in how stupid it is. Really, I'm not even mad, I"m just impressed.

Smackledorfer: I never figured out why smokers are such pussies about the butts. You just had it in your mouth and were sucking on it. You already stink. Putting it out on the sole of your shoe and then pocketing it until you reach a trash bin is not a problem.

Or the people who smoke in their car but don't use the ashtray. Retards.


Heh. I work with an environmentally conscious group of folks who are stressed out as shiat - so high % of smokers. Including myself (although myself and a coworker have a quit pact starting on Tuesday). Everyone figures out where to put them - my personal choice is a prescription bottle in the outside pocket of my bag, in yet another inside pocket, emptied often. If someone tosses a butt on the ground, we all call them out on that crap.

That said, if I have an effing plastic glass half full, half of that ice + melted water because someone tried to save five cents on syrup and there's no trash can? Well.. if I remember before entering the subway, great. If it's packed full and I didn't, well, practically speaking...

/again, stupid
//even if it *was* empty I'm not a big fan of putting an open plastic cup that had sticky liquid in it recently into my goddamn shoulder bag
 
2012-09-03 04:55:16 AM

fragMasterFlash: Slaxl: SuperDuperMatt: Getting rid of trashcans to stop trash is like getting rid of black people to stop racism.

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IT... COULD.... WORK!!!

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2012-09-03 05:01:24 AM

Kensey: cptjeff: I've also seen people just pissing into the tracks on the end of the platform behind the elevators (where there aren't many people), it's not as great a system as metro seems to think. And as somebody who has needed to piss really badly while on the Metro (long metro rides after a few drinks, though I've managed to hold it), I don't blame them.

The one I never could figure out was why, during the summers, the platform at Dupont Circle reeked of the stink of death coming out the wall vents. Seriously, I couldn't stand to be anywhere in front of them -- the only respite was to stand between vents, near the wall. I kept wondering if somebody managed to get into the vent ducts and die, and why Metro wasn't doing anything about it, whatever "it" was.


I really don't even want go guess on that one.

Oh, and I spotted a typo- should be escalators in my post. People piss on the area of the platform behind the escalators because people flow the other direction, back where metro stores their various construction equipment.
 
2012-09-03 06:52:47 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wow. That's amazing in how stupid it is. Really, I'm not even mad, I"m just impressed.


...Heh. I work with an environmentally conscious group of folks who are stressed out as shiat - so high % of smokers. Including myself (although myself and a coworker have a quit pact starting on Tuesday). Everyone figures out where to put them - my personal choice is a prescription bottle in the outside pocket of my bag, in yet another inside pocket, emptied often. If someone tosses a butt on the ground, we all call them out on that crap.


Good to know there are some responsible people out there. The lack of a trash receptable is no excuse to flick a butt on the ground. And smokers who throw butts out of their cars deserve a cockpunch.
 
2012-09-03 07:48:54 AM

HotLonelyTeenageGirl: HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.

But what of Shaftesbury?


No one knows what it's like to be a dustbin...
 
2012-09-03 08:24:47 AM
Don't knock it prematurely, people. The MTA should be commended for thinking outside the bin. Counterintuitiveness sometimes has dividends.
 
2012-09-03 08:35:08 AM
The new security cameras will identify people using face recognition software that litter and send them tickets in the mail. Profit.
 
2012-09-03 08:48:09 AM

pcloadletters: The new security cameras will identify people using face recognition software that litter and send them tickets in the mail. Profit.


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2012-09-03 08:52:00 AM

20/20: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Wow. That's amazing in how stupid it is. Really, I'm not even mad, I"m just impressed.


...Heh. I work with an environmentally conscious group of folks who are stressed out as shiat - so high % of smokers. Including myself (although myself and a coworker have a quit pact starting on Tuesday). Everyone figures out where to put them - my personal choice is a prescription bottle in the outside pocket of my bag, in yet another inside pocket, emptied often. If someone tosses a butt on the ground, we all call them out on that crap.


Good to know there are some responsible people out there. The lack of a trash receptable is no excuse to flick a butt on the ground. And smokers who throw butts out of their cars deserve a cockpunch.


solution. don't smoke in public. only at home or in designated smoking areas
 
2012-09-03 09:23:56 AM
Been to a lot of places, and generally speaking, Americans are some of the worst slobs I've seen. Ever ride the NYC subway? Even though trash cans are provided in all stations, a very large percentage of these losers stuff their faces with whatever corn syrup and hydrogenated oil product they call food, and then fling the wrappers/containers/uneaten goo under the seat. Since you can't learn 'em, food should be banned from the subway.

For the same reasons, you can't have public toilets in NYC like you find in civilized cities. And don't get me started on what happen to the recently renovated McCarren Park Pool.
 
2012-09-03 09:44:42 AM
Well, Duh!? Obviously. Every enterprise, private or public needs to learn from resent events, across various industries, that the key to efficient profitability is to stick to your company's core business; the making of money. Ventures into frivolous side ventures create unoptimized cost centers. IBM learned it could delight its shareholders by abandoning its dalliances in making computers. Baskin Robbins no longer makes ice cream and they are darlings of the industry (what industry? The makin' mo' money industry, evidently). The MTA can similarly delight its corporate officers and shareholders by ending such superfluous business activities such as garbage disposal, escalator operations, etc. Heck, this whole idea of providing trains, buses and associated infrastructure is especially taxing to its bottom line! I guarantee that if the MTA just got rid of all that stuff; the trains, buses, subways, associated stations and terminals, track, and bridges, that it would be rolling in cash, which it could return to the shareholders and corporate officers. All of it can be done away with and the company will be all the better. They can then focus on harnessing their key enterprise synergies, optimizing their core savvy to the delight of the marketmakers. For example, the MTA is especially competent at collecting new taxes and fees. They should focus on those markets and get rid of the rest of the business. Efficiency! Less is more. It's green. VERY GREEN and green is big.
 
2012-09-03 09:45:02 AM
"I don't know what to do with this," Christopher DiScipio, 22, said on Thursday clutching a nearly-finished apple at the Eighth Street station.

Really? You are that stupid that you cannot figure out, "Oh, hey, I'm going on the subway, maybe I should throw this away before I go"? Or, carry a small plastic bag with you to put your trash in when you're done? Or, maybe just not farking take it with you?

I don't get it, take you're damn trash with you. You want to complain that government spending is too high and yet you don't want to become part of the solution. It's not too hard to figure out, less trash=less money spent on trash removal.

And FTFA it's actually working, i.e the amount of trash has been lessened by half, and there has been no burden on the other alternative. Of course there do seem to be some lazy motherfarkers who just decide to leave their trash laying around wherever, but I guess they're so privileged as to not have to clean up after themselves.

/people=stupid, lazy, and entitled.
 
2012-09-03 10:05:04 AM

TheGreenMonkey: And FTFA it's actually working, i.e the amount of trash has been lessened by half, and there has been no burden on the other alternative. Of course there do seem to be some lazy motherfarkers who just decide to leave their trash laying around wherever, but I guess they're so privileged as to not have to clean up after themselves.


It doesn't say that there has been 'no burden'. Heck, a retailer in the area mentions that he's taking in a lot more trash, and his personal experience is that the areas are *dirtier* now, not cleaner. They say that they're having to remove half as much trash - but now ALL of it is outside the cans. I'm willing to bet that 'most' of the trash previously made it into the cans.

I find out that you've deliberately removed the cans so I can't throw stuff away, guess what? My trash is getting tossed somewhere that's not a can.
 
2012-09-03 10:08:12 AM
Another example of ingenious thinking outside the box...

www.guy-sports.com

... deserving of a cock-punch.
 
2012-09-03 10:33:49 AM
You cannot find a public trash can or ash tray in my town.

Unsurprisingly, there is garbage and cigarette butts littering the entire farking town, and the only places devoid of them are the Dunkin Donuts that actually have trash cans and ash trays outside.
 
2012-09-03 10:34:08 AM

Kelbel: I watched a man from a police station throw one to the street fully lit.

 

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2012-09-03 10:37:14 AM
rule #1: cops don't smoke. NEVER have i seen so much as a coffee smoking cop smoke anything other than nicotine
cannabis
or crack

orrrr MARIJUANA
 
2012-09-03 10:41:44 AM
Jon iz teh kewl:

Your post gave me AIDS.
 
2012-09-03 10:50:12 AM
This is old news.

They tried this out months ago at 8 stations and it worked surprisingly well. The trash didn't end up in the stations or on the tracks, people just threw it out in the city trash cans above ground. Saves the mta money and stations are cleaner, so no one in this thread knows what they're talking about.
 
2012-09-03 11:02:10 AM
This sounds like the same sort of logic that leads to abstinence only sex-education.
 
2012-09-03 11:07:55 AM

Alleyoop: Another example of ingenious thinking outside the box...



... deserving of a cock-punch.


Depends on where it moves the bottleneck to I suppose.
 
2012-09-03 11:12:13 AM
This is obviously a move by the MTA to keep the peace with our rat overlords. If they not be appeased then war would come for sure.
 
2012-09-03 11:27:58 AM

JackalRabbit: been a while since i've seen an ashtray in a vehicle. perhaps it's time you trade


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2012-09-03 11:32:07 AM

fluffy2097: Jon iz teh kewl:

Your post gave me AIDS.


AIDS FOR ALL!

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2012-09-03 11:37:41 AM
Ugh, when I lived in Philly, I'd see both kids and adults in my neighborhood eat a candy bar or something, then just fling the wrapper on the sidewalk right next to a trashcan. I'd also routinely see people ripping open trash bags to sift through trash, leaving all sorts of crap blowing around.

Philly was a fun city, but really nasty and filthy overall.
 
2012-09-03 12:07:51 PM
Meh, leave it in the cars...whatevs
 
2012-09-03 12:25:19 PM
...urging riders to treat the subway "as you would treat your home."


In my home, I put trash cans where I need them, and if someone removes the trash can, I will pile up trash where the trash can is supposed to be, and will continue to make the pile larger and larger until my point gets across...

I wish I was in NYC JUST so I could pile up some trash down there...
 
2012-09-03 12:41:20 PM
At the two stations that have been without trash bins since last fall - the Eighth Street and Broadway station in Greenwich Village and the Flushing-Main Street station in Queens - the number of trash bags hauled out by workers has decreased by 50 percent and 67 percent, the authority said.

Only on a government committee could you find some using logic like this with a straight face.

So garbage is reduced by half, but now you have to pay someone 10x as long to pick up each individual item, cleanup liquids and fluids, sweep and mop, etc, versus one guy picking it all up in a bag.

Heres a hint, if you remove garbage bins, the goal becomes a 100 percent reduction in garbage, or at least 99% to factor in the occassional litterer, anything less and your experiment is a failure and reason to reinstitute the garbage bins.

Not something to boast about to the media, some people actually read these things who arent city adminstrators or union employees.
 
2012-09-03 12:47:15 PM
Gotta love fark, scrolled up after posting and people are actually defending the reduction in garbage claims.
 
2012-09-03 01:01:35 PM

HempHead: London has banned trash cans for many years due to the threat of bombs.


Chicago did so too, but still has trash receptacles. Thick, clear garbage bags hang from wall- or column-mounted hoops where the trash cans used to be. Someone could still stick a bomb in there, but it wouldn't be very concealed -- it would be like leaving a bomb on the platform floor.
 
2012-09-03 01:01:54 PM
I've seen our local sams club try this approach, by removing all the trash cans from the interior of the store and only keeping a few out front.

Of course, the entire store is littered with toothpicks, sticks and little paper cups from all the samples, and I've seen everything from empty cans to full diapers sitting on the edge of the shelf.

Across the street at costco they put trash cans at the ends and the middle of every aisle and maybe 20 scattered around. No trash anywhere.
 
2012-09-03 01:36:13 PM
People can complain (and will) about New Yorkers being slobs, but check out Amsterdam. People threw beer cans in the canals, garbage on the streets, and peed everywhere. They did have public urinals right out there on the streets with little panels for some small amount of non-exposure, but the place was a mess. I met a couple of college kids in an internet cafe and we chatted a while. I asked about the trash. Turns out that the city fathers have gates at the ends of the canals and flush them out twice a week when tides shift, so all those green Heineken cans get flushed out to the North Sea. The kids told me to get up really early and walk around to see how they deal with the land based trash. Every single morning, guys in grey jumpsuits go out and sweep the streets by hand with these medieval looking straw brooms. Homeowners go out and scrub their stoops every morning to get rid of the pee.

I shudder to think what a Dutch subway system would be like.

That said, they need to ban using the subways past the turnstiles as a dining room. No drinks, no food. That'd solve a lot of problems. However, those shopkeepers in the underground malls in central Manhattan would, no doubt, send up howls of protest.
 
2012-09-03 02:21:17 PM
Officials have described the logic of the program simply: If there is nowhere to discard trash, riders will take it with them - often outside of a station.

That's just...not true.
 
2012-09-03 02:55:56 PM
They claim that it is working because there is less trash pickup. Yet, there is less trash pickup because there are less places to pick it up from.... hmmmmmm....
 
2012-09-03 03:32:49 PM

Smackledorfer: buzzcut73: This has got to be the most retarded idea I've heard of. It's right up there with "if we don't put ashtrays near the building, people won't smoke there", when what really happens is people who were smoking as they approach the building throw their butt on the ground, annoying themselves for having nowhere to put it, and the non-smokers for having butts all over the sidewalk.

/Non-smoker just for the record.

I never figured out why smokers are such pussies about the butts. You just had it in your mouth and were sucking on it. You already stink. Putting it out on the sole of your shoe and then pocketing it until you reach a trash bin is not a problem.

Or the people who smoke in their car but don't use the ashtray. Retards.

/ex smoker fwiw.


When I used to smoke and in my hiking days I'd put out the butt, squeeze the rest of the tobacco out onto the ground and put the butt back into the pack. It made the pack stink something awful but you don't even notice after the first drag.
 
2012-09-03 05:09:51 PM

make me some tea: When I used to smoke and in my hiking days I'd put out the butt, squeeze the rest of the tobacco out onto the ground and put the butt back into the pack. It made the pack stink something awful but you don't even notice after the first drag.


I'd get a small bottle of water drink 80% of it, and then drop my butts in the bottle. The water puts them out so the bottle doesn't melt, the bottle keeps the smell away. The bottle can be stored and thrown away much more discretely.
 
2012-09-03 05:32:17 PM

fluffy2097: make me some tea: When I used to smoke and in my hiking days I'd put out the butt, squeeze the rest of the tobacco out onto the ground and put the butt back into the pack. It made the pack stink something awful but you don't even notice after the first drag.

I'd get a small bottle of water drink 80% of it, and then drop my butts in the bottle. The water puts them out so the bottle doesn't melt, the bottle keeps the smell away. The bottle can be stored and thrown away much more discretely.


Oh now that's a good idea. I don't smoke anymore though, heh.
 
2012-09-03 05:35:21 PM
fares go up, services go down, and union scum get a bigger and bigger cut. Its a wonderful system.
 
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