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(New York Daily News)   Cops recovered two handguns, 26 magazines, 10,537 rounds of ammunition, 32 machetes, 60 knives, 16 air pistols, an air rifle, seven tasers, eight brass knuckles, nine batons and 10 handcuffs, upon executing a search warrant   (nydailynews.com) divider line 233
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2012-09-02 08:50:29 PM  
Why did all those things need new covers?
 
2012-09-02 08:54:14 PM  
♫ And a cartridge in an M3 ♫
 
2012-09-02 08:57:07 PM  
eight brass knuckles.

farm5.static.flickr.com

Come at me, bro
 
2012-09-02 09:01:20 PM  
This guy is the real reason ammo is so expensive.

/32 machetes? That yard had better be beautiful.
 
2012-09-02 09:07:56 PM  
That seems sane.
 
2012-09-02 09:08:55 PM  
Also, why all that and only two actual guns?
 
2012-09-02 09:09:53 PM  
Meh, that's just a small booth at a gun show.
 
2012-09-02 09:41:30 PM  
Everybody needs a hobby.
 
2012-09-02 09:43:23 PM  
In before the 2nd Amendment derp.
 
2012-09-02 10:06:43 PM  
What 10,000 rounds of ammo may look like.

lh3.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-09-02 10:22:24 PM  
I'm glad they got him on firing his gun into the air, but if he hadn't done something stupid like that, he really only owns two handguns. He has magazines for guns he didn't have, and I'm guessing not all of that ammunition was for the two handguns.

Maybe he sells this stuff on the street.
 
2012-09-02 11:17:33 PM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: This guy is the real reason ammo is so expensive.

/32 machetes? That yard had better be beautiful.


.. and totally banana-free!
 
2012-09-02 11:24:53 PM  
That sounds like a store.
 
2012-09-02 11:29:51 PM  

violentsalvation: That sounds like a store.


Stabbings-R-Us?
 
2012-09-02 11:47:38 PM  

GAT_00: violentsalvation: That sounds like a store.

Stabbings-R-Us?


deadon.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-02 11:50:12 PM  

GAT_00: Also, why all that and only two actual guns?


I thought so too until I saw the pic in the link. There's got to be something wrong with a guy that only owns black weapons.
 
2012-09-02 11:54:24 PM  
Better check with these lists to ensure accuracy

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gunsandbullets.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-02 11:54:39 PM  
Twenty-six magazines? Hell, that's nothing. My grandmother has every issue of National Geographic since 1968.
 
2012-09-03 12:01:58 AM  
So? If civilization breaks down, the military and police force stop caring about the citizens, are you gonna say, "Dude! Why do you have so much ammo?!?!?!"

No...you'll probably be sucking his dick for the right to be near him with your children in hopes that you have some semblance of safety.
 
2012-09-03 12:19:17 AM  
chicagoist.com

Is impressed.
 
2012-09-03 12:32:15 AM  

jaylectricity: So? If civilization breaks down, the military and police force stop caring about the citizens, are you gonna say, "Dude! Why do you have so much ammo?!?!?!"

No...you'll probably be sucking his dick for the right to be near him with your children in hopes that you have some semblance of safety.


If civilization breaks down, he'll be so busy jacking off to the idea that his entire house will be stripped of everything not bolted down anyway.

/Don't particularly care one way or the other about his collection, other than he's apparently the kind of dumb shiat that fires guns into the air in his neighborhood for no reason.
 
2012-09-03 12:35:51 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ And a cartridge in an M3 ♫


Done in two.
 
2012-09-03 12:37:13 AM  
Was it this guy?
www.funnypictures.net.au
 
2012-09-03 12:37:26 AM  
2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?
 
JVD
2012-09-03 12:40:13 AM  
LOL, is that all they found?

Probably has 8k rounds of .22LR too.

I don't think arsenal means what they think it means.
 
2012-09-03 12:40:59 AM  
thats one utility belt on an LAPD cop
 
2012-09-03 12:41:06 AM  

twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?


8/10.. Not too shabby..
 
2012-09-03 12:41:37 AM  
"Eccentric"?
Must be rich.
 
2012-09-03 12:42:21 AM  
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32 machetes & 60 knives? 

You realize that means there was a point where he already had like 15 machetes in an apartment and said "you know what I REALLY need right now? Some MORE MACHETES!"... over and over. 

So were you buying them all, hoping to one day find the PERFECT machete for your apartment?
 
2012-09-03 12:42:29 AM  
In other news, someone was found with 2,000 baseball cards and some comic books.

Oh, noes!!!
 
2012-09-03 12:44:35 AM  
An air rifle? Didn't they realize they could have shot their eyes out?
 
2012-09-03 12:44:46 AM  
Amazing how many comments here and in TFA seem to miss the point that this nut FIRED HIS GUN INTO THE AIR in a residential area. That's third-world shiat right there, and I don't take kindly to it.


/If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.
 
2012-09-03 12:45:16 AM  

styckx: twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?

8/10.. Not too shabby..


I gave it a 9/10... the use of libmitter made the difference.
 
2012-09-03 12:45:48 AM  
www.hms-studios.com

No bat'leth? Your collection is incomplete.
 
2012-09-03 12:45:55 AM  
Cops don't know why Michael Millazzo had a cache of guns and ammo in his Astoria, Queens, apartment.

Because he's a sad, pathetic loser? He's the rugged, manly version of a cat lady
 
2012-09-03 12:46:30 AM  
EIGHT BRASS KNUCKLES?!

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!
 
2012-09-03 12:47:22 AM  

EatenTheSun: What 10,000 rounds of ammo may look like.

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 220x220]


No, it's shown in the pic. Whole table full of brass.
 
2012-09-03 12:47:25 AM  
how much of it did the NYPD sell to him?
 
2012-09-03 12:47:53 AM  

twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?


That somebody would want 32 machetes who wasn't the Zeta cartel is kind of scary to me.
 
2012-09-03 12:48:57 AM  
i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-03 12:49:23 AM  
Machetes are illegal? I have a machete right now, it's from Home Depot.
 
2012-09-03 12:49:27 AM  
I don't get the "scary" thing either - he can only use one effectively at a time.We don't assume that someone with a drawer full of forks is going to use all of them against every piece of food they see, do we?

/Except for Americans, that is.
 
2012-09-03 12:50:13 AM  
Arrested for owning 5 rifles and a handgun? Why do locales get to pick what amendments they get to have? 

What if your city decided a free press wasn't in their best interest? Or the right to vote?
 
2012-09-03 12:50:30 AM  
Hmmm when I think of a "massive arsenal" I do not think of two handguns...and yeah for a serious shooter 10k rounds really isn't that much. Hell my Dad's friend was an antique gun collector and gunsmith and must have had between 3-400 in his house. Of course a lot of those were muzzle loaders...
 
2012-09-03 12:52:44 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: Cops don't know why Michael Millazzo had a cache of guns and ammo in his Astoria, Queens, apartment.

Because he's a sad, pathetic loser? He's the rugged, manly version of a cat lady


When the Zombie Apocalypse comes you'll be kissing the *** of whomever has enough toys like that!

/SQUIRREL
 
2012-09-03 12:52:55 AM  

Lsherm: I'm glad they got him on firing his gun into the air, but if he hadn't done something stupid like that, he really only owns two handguns. He has magazines for guns he didn't have, and I'm guessing not all of that ammunition was for the two handguns.

Maybe he sells this stuff on the street.


He's in New York. Unlicensed possession of a pistol or pistol ammo is a crime, I think a felony. What would be fun to do would be to challenge state ownership restrictions based on in being violation of the commerce clause. Cuz hey, if states can't legalize pot then they can't criminalize guns.
 
2012-09-03 12:53:14 AM  

Gyrfalcon: twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?

That somebody would want 32 machetes who wasn't the Zeta cartel is kind of scary to me.


Why?
 
2012-09-03 12:53:17 AM  
And??
 
2012-09-03 12:53:32 AM  
Shoot, a feller etc.
media.screened.com
 
2012-09-03 12:54:00 AM  

Farty McPooPants: Arrested for owning 5 rifles and a handgun? Why do locales get to pick what amendments they get to have? 

What if your city decided a free press wasn't in their best interest? Or the right to vote?


He didn't get arrested for owning firearms, he was arrested for firing a gun into the air in a residential community. Why do you just ignore that fact?

The funny thing about it is now he will most likely get him guns taken away.
 
2012-09-03 12:55:19 AM  

violentsalvation: That sounds like a store.


Indeed, given the presence of magazines and calibers not for the guns he has. He's probably some sort of illegal dealer.

I should note that I own more guns and ammunition than this guy. I own a gun in the correct caliber for every caliber I have in quantity. I have a few rounds that I've found at the range/elsewhere that I haven't bothered to dispose of yet*. Fewer 'scary' knives(though if you raid my kitchen knife drawer to raise the count...)

*No, I don't like random ammunition laying around. I'll collect it up, soak it in water for a few days, disassemble and toss it. And you know that if I'm so paranoid to dispose of other people's lost ammo, I heartily disapprove of 'celebratory gunfire' off into the air. Celebrate all you want at the range or farm into a proper berm.

loudboy: /If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.


Just remember that mythbusters used a frame and level to achieve 'straight up', noting that it'd be rather difficult for a human holding a gun to get a precise enough 'straight up' to remove most of the danger. I doubt this guy was bothering that much, or sober for that matter.
 
2012-09-03 12:56:35 AM  
img38.imageshack.us

Remember folks, if you can't get it done with the first 16 rounds the last one has your name on it.
 
2012-09-03 12:57:13 AM  
First and foremost: Fired his gun randomly in the air? DUMBASS, and unsafe. Glad he got busted for that.

However - Arsenal? 2 pistols. Much of the ammo looks like it isn't even for those handguns. The dude sounds like a hoarder, what with the large amounts of random other crap, but not really that img1.fark.net, except for the fact that he seems to have forgotten how to safely handle his firearms.

/Heck, I have more firearms at home
//And more ammo - mostly 22LR though. Cheapest way to have a range day
///I'm not scary, promise
 
2012-09-03 12:58:19 AM  
I was competing in USPSA / IPSC / IDPA matches for years. It was nothing for me to have 30,000 rds on hand when loading ammo for an upcoming match. Of course, I only have one machete. Maybe that's why they never came knocking.
 
2012-09-03 01:00:58 AM  

Firethorn: loudboy: /If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.

Just remember that mythbusters used a frame and level to achieve 'straight up', noting that it'd be rather difficult for a human holding a gun to get a precise enough 'straight up' to remove most of the danger. I doubt this guy was bothering that much, or sober for that matter.


Mythbusters also said jumping on a grenade wouldn't save other people nearby, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, so take their safety advice with a hearty grain of salt.
 
2012-09-03 01:03:49 AM  
Two handguns is an arsenal now? I have zero guns so I'm very close to having an arsenal, yay me!
 
2012-09-03 01:05:45 AM  
Boy, I'm glad they never saw my gun safe....
 
2012-09-03 01:06:20 AM  

MBooda: Shoot, a feller etc.
[media.screened.com image 768x576]


"...could have a pretty good time in Big D [Dallas] with all this stuff."

Changed to "weekend in Vegas" cuz JFK had just been killed.

themoreyouknow.jpg
 
2012-09-03 01:06:29 AM  

Gyrfalcon: twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?

That somebody would want 32 machetes who wasn't the Zeta cartel is kind of scary to me.


Well he might have been an architect.
freemasonry.bcy.ca
 
2012-09-03 01:08:27 AM  
Hunh... Glad they didn't make it to my basement...
Also, I only have two machetes. A cheap $6 machete I bought before i could afford a weed eater. After some time with a bastard file it worked well. Still does. It's kind of flimsy and mostly sucks but I keep it in my deck box for dealing with unruly plants. And because it's too damn fugly to keep in the house.
I picked up a Cold Steel Kukri machete this weekend to use clearing shooting lanes in some property I recently got permission to hunt. Still have to sharpen it a bit before I take it out and actually use it but so far it seems well built.
 
2012-09-03 01:09:50 AM  

MBooda: Shoot, a feller etc.
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I can't believe that took so long.
 
2012-09-03 01:09:52 AM  

The more you eat the more you fart: Boy, I'm glad they never saw my gun safe....


If you don't want the cops going through your gun safe and its contents plastered all over news for people to think you are a deranged lunatic, don't go around firing off guns in the air in a residential neighborhood.
 
2012-09-03 01:10:26 AM  

Relatively Obscure: If civilization breaks down, he'll be so busy jacking off to the idea that his entire house will be stripped of everything not bolted down anyway.


You think jacking off is the best way to make the most of your situation? Do you think everybody else thinks that, too?
 
2012-09-03 01:11:01 AM  

Birnone: Two handguns is an arsenal now? I have zero guns so I'm very close to having an arsenal, yay me!


One pistol, one shotgun, 200 rounds of 9mm, and about a dozen shotgun shells was described as an "arsenal" in one news story I read. I use up more ammo than that on a single trip to the range. I typically bought the ammo in bulk boxes of 500 to save money (and I typically bought 2 or 3 boxes at a time). I expect to be described as some kind of "lone anarchist militia member" if they ever search my apartment. Especially after they find the swords, daggers, and other bladed objects.
 
2012-09-03 01:12:01 AM  
So some gangsta walked by and popped a couple of shots off at a rival's car and this poor guy is immediately accused of shooting his guns in the air?
 
2012-09-03 01:14:19 AM  

Snargi: So some gangsta walked by and popped a couple of shots off at a rival's car and this poor guy is immediately accused of shooting his guns in the air?


Either that or the cops haven't told the media the details of the raid, so the reporter went with what he had.
 
2012-09-03 01:15:37 AM  
That is an "arsenal"? Just snoop around Texas and you'll see what an arsenal is. Not to mention what I have, and I'm not really a gun-nut.
 
2012-09-03 01:16:16 AM  

OgreMagi: Birnone: Two handguns is an arsenal now? I have zero guns so I'm very close to having an arsenal, yay me!

One pistol, one shotgun, 200 rounds of 9mm, and about a dozen shotgun shells was described as an "arsenal" in one news story I read. I use up more ammo than that on a single trip to the range. I typically bought the ammo in bulk boxes of 500 to save money (and I typically bought 2 or 3 boxes at a time). I expect to be described as some kind of "lone anarchist militia member" if they ever search my apartment. Especially after they find the swords, daggers, and other bladed objects.


When i was in high school me and my buddy arranged to have a 1 1/2 hour lunch break so we could check our trap lines. Depending on the day we would have at least two guns, a bat, some traps, and even some dead animals in my car. Back then it was no big deal. I'm not sure if you could even bring the bat to school anymore. Probably not a good idea to have friends and family in the Michigan Militia either anymore...(yeah yeah i grew up redneck)
 
2012-09-03 01:17:31 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Firethorn: loudboy: /If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.

Just remember that mythbusters used a frame and level to achieve 'straight up', noting that it'd be rather difficult for a human holding a gun to get a precise enough 'straight up' to remove most of the danger. I doubt this guy was bothering that much, or sober for that matter.

Mythbusters also said jumping on a grenade wouldn't save other people nearby, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, so take their safety advice with a hearty grain of salt.


I've seen enough mythbusters (maybe 5 episodes) to know their testing methods are bunk and anything but scientific.
 
2012-09-03 01:20:31 AM  
I know all the gun nuts want to immediately cry about this shiat, but this sentence explains it: Michael Millazzo, 53, of Shore Blvd. in Astoria, was arrested by cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home on Aug. 26.

He fired his gun off into the air, in a residential area, and the police executed a warrant to search. This is the exact jackarse you guys should be lambasting for giving real gun nuts a bad name.

First thing I was ever taught about handling a gun, never point it at something you don't intend to kill.

/Grew up in a hunting family, but I always got bored sitting in the woods for hours on end.
 
2012-09-03 01:25:16 AM  

INeedAName: First thing I was ever taught about handling a gun, never point it at something you don't intend to kill.


what if his intention was to kill the sky? then he did nothing wrong.
 
2012-09-03 01:25:23 AM  
Oooh, scary, two whole guns!
 
2012-09-03 01:25:51 AM  
I'm sure he was just practicing for when the zombie apocalypse happens.
 
2012-09-03 01:26:51 AM  
The article says that they found illegal weapons, handguns and machetes. Okay, Queens might be one of those areas that has a draconian, arguably unconstitutional ban on handguns, but machetes??? How are those illegal to own? This may be the first time I have ever heard about the illegal possession of a machete.
 
2012-09-03 01:27:42 AM  
And a partridge in a bare treeeeeee~

/on the ninth day of Christmas, my true love gave to me: nine scary Smurfs...
 
2012-09-03 01:28:31 AM  
lol @ 51 year old neighbor with the 18 month old daughter
 
2012-09-03 01:29:10 AM  
i135.photobucket.com



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?
 
2012-09-03 01:29:15 AM  
blog.olilolo.com
 
2012-09-03 01:29:35 AM  
from his facebook page.

Activities

Gun range
Handguns

Wow he goes to the gun range, sounds like a criminal.

https://www.facebook.com/?ref=logo#!/mmillazzo/favorites
 
2012-09-03 01:30:40 AM  
Recently the cops showed up at my apartment because of someone shooting their gun in the air, I was plinking squirrels with my airsoft. They get inside the roof and make noise.

/Damn glad I had dropped my handgun off with a friend so he could do some work on it.
 
2012-09-03 01:30:55 AM  
Two guns, one cop.
 
2012-09-03 01:31:49 AM  

Dr. Goldshnoz: This guy is the real reason ammo is so expensive.

/32 machetes? That yard had better be beautiful.


He has an inalienable 2nd Amendment right to protect his home and family from encroaching tropical growth.
 
2012-09-03 01:32:15 AM  

Pribar:

Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


fetish
 
2012-09-03 01:32:16 AM  

Great Janitor: The article says that they found illegal weapons, handguns and machetes. Okay, Queens might be one of those areas that has a draconian, arguably unconstitutional ban on handguns, but machetes??? How are those illegal to own? This may be the first time I have ever heard about the illegal possession of a machete.


I'm guessing it was the brass knuckles that were illegal. According to wiki New york has banned them.
 
2012-09-03 01:32:46 AM  
s8.postimage.org
 
2012-09-03 01:35:26 AM  

JackalRabbit: Pribar:

Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?

fetish


Look I already explained that it was white silicone on that barrel....
 
2012-09-03 01:36:20 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A very fine collection of weapons.
 
2012-09-03 01:38:20 AM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

approves.
 
2012-09-03 01:39:48 AM  
So, a man with 2 guns -in his home- is "scary" but teens actually robbing a place is "silly", Fark is weird.
 
2012-09-03 01:41:17 AM  

INeedAName: I know all the gun nuts want to immediately cry about this shiat, but this sentence explains it: Michael Millazzo, 53, of Shore Blvd. in Astoria, was arrested by cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home on Aug. 26.

He fired his gun off into the air, in a residential area, and the police executed a warrant to search. This is the exact jackarse you guys should be lambasting for giving real gun nuts a bad name.

First thing I was ever taught about handling a gun, never point it at something you don't intend to kill.

/Grew up in a hunting family, but I always got bored sitting in the woods for hours on end.


I'm a gun nut, but I am also not defending this guy. He's the guy who should not have guns. Guns are a responsibility, if you don't use them safely and responsibly, you should lose to your right to them. When you accept gun ownership, you must accept the responsibility that you are holding a tool that can end someone's life, and take that seriously and not treat it as a toy. I put his fool into the same category as those people who claim to have shot someone accidentally because they were cleaning their loaded gun and it went off (maybe they and I have the wrong definition of cleaning a weapon, because when I do it, I take the gun apart after I've cleared the chamber). The right to free speech, the right to bare arms isn't just a blank check to allow us to say what we want and do with guns as we want and then use the constitution as the excuse to get away with those actions. The rights laid out in the Bill of Rights does grant us wonderful freedoms, freedoms that I would hate to see go away. But they also come with the requirement that we take responsibilities for those actions. You're free to say what you want about Romney or Obama, but you must also take responsibility for what you say. Say something blatantly false about either one of them and expect to defend yourself or face being called an idiot or worse by your audience. You are free to own a firearm in this country, but you must take responsibility for what you do with that firearm. You can't point it into the air and fire out two rounds to scare people. And yes, I am in favor of the second amendment and support those who fight for it's existence, I am also in favor of people who refuse to treat that right responsibly to be stripped of it.
 
2012-09-03 01:41:25 AM  
32? Were these special collector's edition machetes? No? Then I don't care if you derp so hard you herp trying to turn this guy into a 2nd amendment hero, dude has issues.

/I do like the person above who compared guys like this to the manly version of crazy cat ladies. So, so, so right.
 
2012-09-03 01:42:15 AM  
It's hard to blame him. The last time he had to open fire on someone, it was a 7-foot lunatic swinging a broadsword in an alley at night - and he ended up spitted on the damned thing, because he couldn't protect himself.
 
2012-09-03 01:45:35 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Mythbusters also said jumping on a grenade wouldn't save other people nearby, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, so take their safety advice with a hearty grain of salt.


I don't remember seeing that one. I've seen a lot of mythbusters, but the way some of their episodes are available, arranged, etc... I'm not surprised that I've missed a lot of myths. Not having cable TV I tend to be a season or two behind anyways. Have to see it on Netflix, their site, etc...

OgreMagi: One pistol, one shotgun, 200 rounds of 9mm, and about a dozen shotgun shells was described as an "arsenal" in one news story I read.


I remember the scare tactics where they busted a couple people with 'MORE THAN 500 ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION!!!'. It was a walmart 'value pack' of 550 rounds of .22lr. Also 'high capacity 10 gauge clips' - reading other sources found that they were 30 round magazines for a ruger 10/22 (also .22lr). I have a couple of them - they're so crappy I get higher rates of fire from the stock 10 round rotary magazines from ruger. Not including load time.

They'd also have a field day with me - a couple swords (mounted to the wall proudly demonstrating that I'm a geek), good number of pocket knives, a few hunting knives(yes, I've hunted, killed and eaten deer). I even have a few automatic knives*!

I have lots of ammunition, because I can get it 50% cheaper per round if I buy in bulk(IE 1k+ per caliber, 10k+ per order). I tend to collect actions(lever, bolt, semi, blowback, recoil, etc...). At this point I have a gun for pretty much every legal purpose you could put guns to. Hunting? .30-30, .30-06, .300 WBY covers almost all north american game. .30-30 is good for deer in brush situations. The .300 WBY covers longer ranges and bigger game such as moose. The '06 is between the two, much easier on the shoulder than the wby. I also have a .223 with a bull barrel if I ever want to go varmint hunting.

*Issued to me by Uncle Sam and only carried in uniform
 
2012-09-03 01:45:38 AM  

LowbrowDeluxe: 32? Were these special collector's edition machetes? No? Then I don't care if you derp so hard you herp trying to turn this guy into a 2nd amendment hero, dude has issues.

/I do like the person above who compared guys like this to the manly version of crazy cat ladies. So, so, so right.


The circumstances can mitigate - for example, I own a handful of knives, a kukri, two machetes, two swords, one boar spear, two bows, at least 72 arrows, a pellet rifle, and until recently, a service revolver. Could be construed as an "arsenal", unless you knew that my wife and I are SCA members, and her dad used to be a county sheriff.

However, this guy does sound a bit... overencumbered, shall we say...
 
2012-09-03 01:52:16 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: Blah, blah, liberal hysteria and whargarble, TWO GUNS, hysteria and whargarble.

Then again, "man arrested with two guns" is what, a blotter entry?


Well said. You are an eloquent spokesman for your cause...whatever it is.
 
2012-09-03 01:52:39 AM  
Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.
 
2012-09-03 01:56:28 AM  

corn-bread: Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.


Only a misdemeanor??? I thought firing a gun into the air was a felony everywhere.
 
2012-09-03 01:59:09 AM  

MisterTweak: Dr. Goldshnoz: This guy is the real reason ammo is so expensive.

/32 machetes? That yard had better be beautiful.

.. and totally banana-free!


I read that and heard, "Daylight come and me wanna go home" for no appearant reason.

/ weird
 
2012-09-03 02:00:50 AM  
Dispatch: What is your emergency?
Caller: Someone fired bullets
Dispatch: Do you know who it was?
Caller: I think it is the guy with the gun stickers on his door.
Cops: Wow, we found guns! He must be guilty!

Sad: I am sure the guy can shoot better than the cops that arrested him.
 
2012-09-03 02:03:36 AM  
Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that in the photo, at least, there are more like 9 hand guns...
 
2012-09-03 02:04:35 AM  

Uisce Beatha: Mythbusters also said jumping on a grenade wouldn't save other people nearby, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, so take their safety advice with a hearty grain of salt.


Update: A minute with google turned up this, showing the complete opposite of what you said:
A hero could save his buddies by ... covering a grenade with his own body.
confirmed
During the control test, the Mythbusters detonated a grenade with no obstacles with several plywood dummies around it at varying distances. The shrapnel inflicted lethal injuries on most of the dummies. For the actual test, the Mythbusters planted a ballistics gel dummy over the grenade before detonating it. While the ballistics gel dummy was completely destroyed, only one of the plywood dummies suffered any severe damage, and what damage was caused was not lethal. While the hero would undoubtedly die in the attempt, he would be able to save his comrades nearby.
 
2012-09-03 02:05:13 AM  
Pfft. You should see three amo and weapons my fallout 3 character carried.
 
2012-09-03 02:05:34 AM  

Great Janitor: corn-bread: Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.

Only a misdemeanor??? I thought firing a gun into the air was a felony everywhere.


Discharge into the air without discernible property damage or injury is generally a misdemeanor. The kind of felony you're thinking of may kick in if the weapon is aimed in the general vicinity of a person or occupied building.

That said, I too was surprised it was so minor in New York, I expected it would be more severe there.
 
2012-09-03 02:07:23 AM  

ladyfortuna: Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that in the photo, at least, there are more like 9 hand guns...


i think those are airsoft guns.

16 air pistols, an air rifle
 
2012-09-03 02:08:01 AM  

GAT_00: Also, why all that and only two actual guns?


Seriously, and handguns no less? The triggers would fall off before he squeezed off all those rounds.
 
2012-09-03 02:09:36 AM  

Great Janitor: corn-bread: Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.

Only a misdemeanor??? I thought firing a gun into the air was a felony everywhere.


FYI: It is a misdemeanor in Texas too.
 
2012-09-03 02:13:35 AM  
Took subby a lot of words to say "two handguns". Really? like 10k rounds makes any difference if you've got two measly handguns? You think he's getting 10 THOUSAND shots off?
 
2012-09-03 02:20:28 AM  
Yeah well, a lot of folks did call him "Two-Gun" but that wasn't because he was sporting two pistols. That was because he had a dick that was so big it was longer than the barrel of that Walker Colt that he carried. Now if Corky would have really had two guns instead of just a big dick he could have defended himself to the end.
 
2012-09-03 02:30:04 AM  

Richard Saunders: Twenty-six magazines? Hell, that's nothing. My grandmother has every issue of National Geographic since 1968.


Oh, the collages I could make.....
 
2012-09-03 02:37:09 AM  

loudboy: Amazing how many comments here and in TFA seem to miss the point that this nut FIRED HIS GUN INTO THE AIR in a residential area. That's third-world shiat right there, and I don't take kindly to it.


/If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.


They also didn't say what gun he fired 'into the air'. Look at the facts here... He has TWO HANDGUNS... that's 2. That's the only real guns listed. Then they list the knifes, and air guns. He could have been shooting an air gun you know. It might be illegal but come on it's not scarey. Take a look at that picture they used to show his guns. I see more than two hand guns which leads me to beleive that's not even his guns. This is propanganda bs to scare dumb people. This guy has knives and brass knuckles... big freaking deal the military has nuclear submarines and remote control drones that shoot missles into the air and kill civilians. Two freaking hand guns... big freaking deal.
 
2012-09-03 02:39:02 AM  
Don't shoot in the air in a crowded urban setting. What goes up must go down.

Anyway, 32 is a lot of machetes.
 
2012-09-03 02:42:58 AM  
Mr. Ekshun: I don't get the "scary" thing either - he can only use one effectively at a time.We don't assume that someone with a drawer full of forks is going to use all of them against every piece of food they see, do we?

/Except for Americans, that is.



oh c'mon! you can't eat doritos with a fork!
 
2012-09-03 02:50:34 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?

z

A few decent handguns. Although those Jennings/ Jiminez (or whatever the hell those Saturday night specials are) are lovely for removing fingers and generally farking a person's life up.
 
2012-09-03 03:15:32 AM  

Bucky Katt: Don't shoot in the air in a crowded urban setting. What goes up must go down.

Anyway, 32 is a lot of machetes.


Mhm. He sounds Rwandan.
 
2012-09-03 03:19:33 AM  

EatenTheSun: What 10,000 rounds of ammo may look like.

[lh3.googleusercontent.com image 220x220]


Really? Camo?

What, so they can't see it comin?

/shrug
 
2012-09-03 03:22:05 AM  

Firethorn: Update: A minute with google turned up this, showing the complete opposite of what you said:


Huh - I stand corrected. In my defense, I generally fall asleep when the kids start watching Mythbusters.
 
2012-09-03 03:28:04 AM  
THAT's a massive arsenal?

I have more than that in one drawer.
 
2012-09-03 03:29:10 AM  

GAT_00: Also, why all that and only two actual guns?


Weapons collectors do that.

10,000 rounds of ammo is not much, lots of guys wish they'd bought ten times that back when it was cheap. I've got more than that in .22 on a shelf right behind me.

Im assuming its illegal to own the firearms where he lives and thats what the big stink is about, otherwise that just sounds like a lonely guy whose only hobby is collecting machetes.

But I do love how the report ends with...... "its not clear what he planned to do with it all"

Um, its way way more than one person could move, so he was just going to keep collecting it. He didnt even bother opening the extra magazines, and didnt keep them loaded so he wasnt planning a bloody stand off with police. He probably has a lot of photos on the internet of himself holding various knives. As long as he wasnt mentally ill theres no real danger in it beyond ammo cooking off in a house fire. You should invest in a gun safe or a flammable storage locker for your ammo. Something with a rating for staying cool inside until the fire department shows up. If you have a lot of ammo, a flammables locker is going to be the cheaper route.
 
2012-09-03 03:32:07 AM  

whcrow: ladyfortuna: Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that in the photo, at least, there are more like 9 hand guns...

i think those are airsoft guns.

16 air pistols, an air rifle


OMG I just put that together, they put toys on the table like a mexican drug bust photo. How farking pathetic. Im surprised they didnt put his stack of guns-n-ammo magazines up there cause there are scary pictures inside.
 
2012-09-03 03:32:49 AM  

archichris: whcrow: ladyfortuna: Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that in the photo, at least, there are more like 9 hand guns...

i think those are airsoft guns.

16 air pistols, an air rifle

OMG I just put that together, they put toys on the table like a mexican drug bust photo. How farking pathetic. Im surprised they didnt put his stack of guns-n-ammo magazines up there cause there are scary pictures inside.


He could cause startlement with those airsofts....... Maybe even mild redness of the epidermis.
 
2012-09-03 03:35:31 AM  

Farty McPooPants: Arrested for owning 5 rifles and a handgun? Why do locales get to pick what amendments they get to have? 

What if your city decided a free press wasn't in their best interest? Or the right to vote?


FTFA: "Michael Millazzo, 53, of Shore Blvd. in Astoria, was arrested by cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home on Aug. 26."


I would say this warrants a "looking into" at the very least.


AND! They include a free plug for an ammo shop right in the article for your convenience!
/gun owner
/cold dead hands
 
2012-09-03 03:41:16 AM  

Bucky Katt: Don't shoot in the air in a crowded urban setting. What goes up must go down.

Anyway, 32 is a lot of machetes.


He could be going on a jungle safari with his friends.
 
2012-09-03 04:03:33 AM  

Oh_Enough_Already: corn-bread: Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.

You're mistaking New York City for the United States of America.


Be careful, we're coming up on the day that you have to pretend you feel sorry for those who died when America was attacked. Don't want to have a slip-up on that day.

Don't worry, there's 364 other days a year you can openly call all the people who live there un-American "My delusional faux-news infromed version of what liberals are"-Liberal communist marxist "left-wing" freedom-hating traitors. Feel free to mix in other random perjoratives as they come to mind, since that's how most of these things go.
 
2012-09-03 04:11:11 AM  
...And a Partridge in a Pear Tree.?
 
2012-09-03 04:50:40 AM  
If I were a cop I'd find this guy highly suspicious. Why do you need that many bladed weapons in an apartment? In farking NYC. I don't see any reason why putting this guy in jail for a 72-hour hold while you make sure whether he wasn't the guy shooting into the air, and placing the weapons into temporary police custody (the media loves the word 'confiscate' when half the time that's not what happens) is anything short of prudent in an urban area where the police force is tasked with ensuring the safety of MORE THAN TWENTY SEVEN THOUSAND PEOPLE PER SQUARE MILE. IT IS NOT TEXAS.

And tangentially related, there was a situation over on this coast where a big shipment of AR-15 replica air rifles from China turned out to be modifiable to be functional weapons. The receivers were 2 parts away from being actual semi-auto .223 or 5.56 rigs. You could buy the airguns from a corner store, then turn around an order the other parts from online suppliers and bam: you have a fully functional rifle totally under the radar. The BATFE only legally defines the receiver as the "firearm" so ordering the other parts online doesn't require any extra paperwork.

/There's a Glock Model 23 .40 within 30 feet of me as I type this.
 
2012-09-03 04:52:04 AM  
"He's not all there. He's just odd," Alevreas said.

That's the sort of thing I want my odd, not-all-there neighbor to see me quoted in the paper as saying.
 
2012-09-03 04:57:19 AM  
Maybe he was saving up to build a throne
 
2012-09-03 05:01:42 AM  

ongbok: Was it this guy?
[www.funnypictures.net.au image 400x300]


Expected this.

Disturbing.

lizyrd: "He's not all there. He's just odd," Alevreas said.

That's the sort of thing I want my odd, not-all-there neighbor to see me quoted in the paper as saying.


Yeah.
 
2012-09-03 05:07:03 AM  
The Raid: Redemption.
 
2012-09-03 05:18:32 AM  

Salmon: The Raid: Redemption.


Don't spoil it! I have the disc at home to watch this week sometime. I was going to watch it this weekend but I talked my wife in to watching Nude Nuns with Big Guns and The Expendables so I held off on The Raid: Redemption.
 
2012-09-03 05:35:28 AM  
Oh no, he has a massive quantity of legal items. Let's all freak out about it and act like there's something wrong with that.

Well actually I think the brass knuckles might be illegal.

Particularly all the bladed weapons. People do collect knives you know. It is a hobby.
 
2012-09-03 05:48:38 AM  

INeedAName: I know all the gun nuts want to immediately cry about this shiat, but this sentence explains it: Michael Millazzo, 53, of Shore Blvd. in Astoria, was arrested by cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home on Aug. 26.

He fired his gun off into the air, in a residential area, and the police executed a warrant to search. This is the exact jackarse you guys should be lambasting for giving real gun nuts a bad name.

First thing I was ever taught about handling a gun, never point it at something you don't intend to kill.

/Grew up in a hunting family, but I always got bored sitting in the woods for hours on end.


Maybe he intended to kill the moon?
 
2012-09-03 05:56:08 AM  

FormlessOne: LowbrowDeluxe: 32? Were these special collector's edition machetes? No? Then I don't care if you derp so hard you herp trying to turn this guy into a 2nd amendment hero, dude has issues.

/I do like the person above who compared guys like this to the manly version of crazy cat ladies. So, so, so right.

The circumstances can mitigate - for example, I own a handful of knives, a kukri, two machetes, two swords, one boar spear, two bows, at least 72 arrows, a pellet rifle, and until recently, a service revolver. Could be construed as an "arsenal", unless you knew that my wife and I are SCA members, and her dad used to be a county sheriff.

However, this guy does sound a bit... overencumbered, shall we say...


Seems a little light to me. Nothing should be construed an arsenal unless you have multiples of the same calibre weapon or can outfit a number of people.

/ Serious.
 
2012-09-03 06:02:09 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A whole lot of cheap crap.

/I keed; I collect Iver Johnsons, too. .32 hammerless safety automatic, 1900 in both .22 and .38 S&W, .38 safety hammer. Need a Sealed 8. Difficulty factor: nothing made after 1940.
//The line between collector and hoarder is a fine one.
///Guy lives in Queens. Not allowed to collect handguns without a difficult-to-obtain permit. If he doesn't like it, he should move.
 
2012-09-03 06:05:53 AM  

ladyfortuna: Correct me if I'm wrong but it appears that in the photo, at least, there are more like 9 hand guns...


Airsoft pistols =/= handguns.
 
2012-09-03 06:07:49 AM  
I do have to wonder why the hell he'd have so much ammo for two guns. I understand having a fair bit. I buy ammo online because it is cheap and to make it cheap, you have to buy in bulk. Blocks of 1000 are the normal size at which it is cheapest per round (that is the wholesale bulk size, normally the little boxes come in big boxes totaling 1000). However 10k round for at most two calibers? Seems kinda silly. Unless you are talking .22LR, that is easy to get more of since 5k is the cheap amount for it.

To me though the machetes are stranger. I mean I understand liking something and collecting it, but who really has 20 machetes and says "Know what I need? More machetes!" I just don't see there being that many different kinds to make it interesting/worth it.

Also the magazines are rather weird. Not having a bunch, that makes sense (you load them in front of the TV before going to the range so you don't have to waste time there reloading) but the fact that so many seemed to be kept in the original packaging. Maybe someone needs to tell him that Glock mags aren't collectibles, there's tens of millions out there. It is ok to open them up.

Whatever the case it is way blown out of proportion for the sake of a story. Notice how they stack all the air guns out there to make it look like a fearsome arsenal, despite those being, literally, toys. Two guns is not a lot. Hell around here I think if the cops find you with only tow guns they give you third :P.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:55 AM  

randomjsa: Oh no, he has a massive quantity of legal items. Let's all freak out about it and act like there's something wrong with that.

Well actually I think the brass knuckles might be illegal.

Particularly all the bladed weapons. People do collect knives you know. It is a hobby.


For me the disturbing part is that this guy is shooting his guns in the air in a residential neighborhood. Collecting the knives and guns by itself isn't disturbing. But add his collection to the fact that he doesn't have the self control and common sense not to fire a gun in the air in a neighborhood, and you get scary.
 
2012-09-03 06:35:44 AM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-03 07:05:09 AM  

URAPNIS: In other news, someone was found with 2,000 baseball cards and some comic books.

Oh, noes!!!


You mean "2000 concealable edged weapons and myriad publications condoning vigilante violence!"
 
2012-09-03 07:12:44 AM  

Lsherm: I'm glad they got him on firing his gun into the air, but if he hadn't done something stupid like that, he really only owns two handguns. He has magazines for guns he didn't have, and I'm guessing not all of that ammunition was for the two handguns.

Maybe he sells this stuff on the street.


Probably this. This sounds like a "nabbing Al Capone on tax evasion" type arrest to me. Probably doing something more illegal that they just couldn't get the data to charge him on.

//26 magazines means there were more than two handguns at one point. Probably 11 more.
//The ammo isn't really indicative of anything on its own, though, if you buy off the internet it comes in like crates of 5000. Or, if they're .22LR pistols, you literally buy ammo by the bucket.
 
2012-09-03 07:21:35 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Lsherm: I'm glad they got him on firing his gun into the air, but if he hadn't done something stupid like that, he really only owns two handguns. He has magazines for guns he didn't have, and I'm guessing not all of that ammunition was for the two handguns.

Maybe he sells this stuff on the street.

Probably this. This sounds like a "nabbing Al Capone on tax evasion" type arrest to me. Probably doing something more illegal that they just couldn't get the data to charge him on.

//26 magazines means there were more than two handguns at one point. Probably 11 more.
//The ammo isn't really indicative of anything on its own, though, if you buy off the internet it comes in like crates of 5000. Or, if they're .22LR pistols, you literally buy ammo by the bucket.


I think he's just a nutball hoarder. If he were dealing stuff, it wouldn't be as weird and random. I mean, 32 machetes? For reals?
 
2012-09-03 07:54:36 AM  
"...cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air..."


Sounds like a set up to me. Like getting pulled over forcrossing the centerline.
 
2012-09-03 07:59:24 AM  
Today on "Internet Tough Guy" - this comment thread.
 
2012-09-03 08:20:21 AM  
assets.nydailynews.com

"Two handguns"?

The NYPD can't even count to potato.
 
2012-09-03 08:24:31 AM  
Oh, wait...those must be the air pistols.

So...they caught a guy with two handguns. Isn't that about average in the USA?
 
2012-09-03 08:32:38 AM  
bbsimg.ngfiles.com

Crazy neighbors.
 
2012-09-03 08:34:44 AM  
My hoarding of big plastic bags of cat shiat doesn't seem so bad, now, does it?
 
2012-09-03 08:42:42 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


According to Mayor Banberg you'd be some kind of nefarious, illegal weapons dealer
 
2012-09-03 09:05:27 AM  
68.169.81.135
And one of these..
 
2012-09-03 09:08:43 AM  

Jim_Callahan: //26 magazines means there were more than two handguns at one point. Probably 11 more.


Not necessarily. While handguns only come with a couple magazines, people often buy more. I have seven for my XDm. It came with two in the box, a coupon for three more free. I then got two on sale. So why seven? Well generally when I go to the range I go to shoot 100 rounds, two boxes, with it (I tend to bring two or three guns and usually a 100 rounds for each). I like to have all the magazines loaded at home. Much more comfortable to load them while watching TV than to do it in the heat of the outdoor range. The mags are 19 round so 5 doesn't quite do it. Then I like to have one extra, unloaded, in case I should find one has a problem and need to unload and reload in to a different one.

Given that they aren't all that expensive (particularly when I got 5 with the gun) there's no reason not to do it that way IMO.

Now in this case it looks like the dude was just pack ratting them for whatever reason. He has a bunch still in their retail box. As I said in my other post, someone needs to tell him Glock mags aren't collectibles, it is ok to take them out of the box and use them.
 
2012-09-03 09:11:21 AM  
corn-bread
2012-09-03 01:52:39 AM

Ok, so he discharged a weapon into the air within city limits. That appears to be a Class A misdemeanor in New York.

He also had an additional firearm, bladed weapons, and 10,000+ rounds of ammo.
So? Is there additional information I'm missing which indicates he is otherwise unfit to own these weapons?

Maybe living in Texas for so long has jaded me, but I'm not seeing the big deal here. Charge him appropriately for discharging the weapon, lecture him sternly about firearms safety, and call it a day.

But then we can't have a cool swat raid and act all tac-ti-cool for the media.
 
2012-09-03 09:12:48 AM  
It would be fairly simple to tell whether either of his two guns had been fired recently and test his hands for gunpowder residue. What right did they have to take anything other than the two handguns? Are knives, machetes, airsoft pistols, magazines, and ammo illegal in NYC? I agree with those that said somebody shot into the air in this densely populated neighborhood and all of his neighbors pointed at his door. Yet, if he was the one that shot into the air, is it really possible to execute a search warrant based on a misdemeanor charge?
 
2012-09-03 09:16:34 AM  

Oznog: [t0.gstatic.com image 282x179][t0.gstatic.com image 282x179][t0.gstatic.com image 282x179]

32 machetes & 60 knives? 

You realize that means there was a point where he already had like 15 machetes in an apartment and said "you know what I REALLY need right now? Some MORE MACHETES!"... over and over. 

So were you buying them all, hoping to one day find the PERFECT machete for your apartment?


Well now, this could happen. You start out with no real interest, but one day you're at Harbor Freight Tools and you see their machete for $4.99. You think, "what they heck" and buy it. But as you handle it and use it you realize it's not very good. But now you have a lousy machete, and that just isn't going to fly. So you go on the market and look for an upgrade and find something better. You're satisfied and think you're all set for machetes now.
But then--you're out with a pal and you go to a swap meet or something and there's a guy with a whole table of machetes. You start talking to this guy and you think "boy, this guy really knows machetes", and after handling several you decide to get one that's nice but still in your price range. You buy it, but in your mind you're already thinking about how you should save some money and go back next month to get that other one that the guy said was really great....
 
2012-09-03 09:23:05 AM  

DrBrownCow: is it really possible to execute a search warrant based on a misdemeanor charge?


Apparently, yes.
 
2012-09-03 09:23:33 AM  
You live in Queens. You see your neighbor carry legally to the range. You don't like it. You drive to Phantom Fireworks in Matamorass, PA and but a dollar's worth of firecrackers. You get some spent casings and put them in the casings. When your neighbor is asleep, you toss the bundle, lit out of yoor car window at 1AM and drive off.
The call 011 and report shots fired outside of his apartment.
 
2012-09-03 09:25:03 AM  
10,000 rounds isn't a lot? No, I suppose not. If you're firing two rounds a second, it would only take one hour and 23 minutes. Assuming that you had a 10,000 round clip and never had to reload.

If you were firing one round per second, and each clip had 20 rounds (so you would need 500 clips), and it took five seconds to change clips, and you stopped to do nothing else at all, then it would take two hours and 46 minutes of firing, and 42 minutes of changing clips.

Not counting the time it takes to load the clips. If it was 30 seconds per clip, that would be four hours and ten minutes. So that's a total of seven hours and 38 minutes, to load the clips and then fire 10,000 rounds. Assuming that loading and firing was all a completely continuous event, with no breaks of whatever in between, and you didn't develop carpal tunnel or anything.

Seems legit.
 
2012-09-03 09:27:06 AM  
Alternate reality: Let's imagine the guy's name was Mohammed al Baqr.

I wonder how the reactions would change.
 
2012-09-03 09:31:19 AM  

Kibbler: 10,000 rounds isn't a lot?


It is in a house fire.
 
2012-09-03 09:34:46 AM  
I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?

1,000,000?

Would you consider 10,000,000 rounds to be "a lot"?

100,000,000?

Would it take a billion rounds before you would concede, "OK that's a lot--a disturbing number--of rounds"? Or would you continue to insist, "No, there's no limit, if the guy can fit 100 billion rounds into his apartment, then more power to him"?

Unless his name was Mohammed al Baqr of course. THOSE people are CRAZY.
 
2012-09-03 09:40:50 AM  

Pribar: Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A good start...
 
2012-09-03 09:47:53 AM  
I think I saw that episode of Hoarders
 
2012-09-03 09:50:20 AM  

Kibbler: I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?


Personally, I'd consider 10k rounds 'a lot', but it's okay for people to have 'a lot' of various things, especially if they're an enthusiast. 100k rounds? They're probably a professional shooter.
 
2012-09-03 09:52:41 AM  

Kibbler: I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?

1,000,000?

Would you consider 10,000,000 rounds to be "a lot"?

100,000,000?

Would it take a billion rounds before you would concede, "OK that's a lot--a disturbing number--of rounds"? Or would you continue to insist, "No, there's no limit, if the guy can fit 100 billion rounds into his apartment, then more power to him"?

Unless his name was Mohammed al Baqr of course. THOSE people are CRAZY.


Why does round count scare people so much?
 
2012-09-03 09:53:05 AM  

10,537 rounds of ammunition


That's an awfully specific number. I'm a little surprised they took the time to count the loose rounds.
 
2012-09-03 09:55:41 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A small penis?
 
2012-09-03 09:57:32 AM  

Kibbler


10,000 rounds isn't a lot? No, I suppose not. If you're firing two rounds a second, it would only take one hour and 23 minutes. Assuming that you had a 10,000 round clip and never had to reload.

If you were firing one round per second, and each clip had 20 rounds (so you would need 500 clips), and it took five seconds to change clips, and you stopped to do nothing else at all, then it would take two hours and 46 minutes of firing, and 42 minutes of changing clips.

Not counting the time it takes to load the clips. If it was 30 seconds per clip, that would be four hours and ten minutes. So that's a total of seven hours and 38 minutes, to load the clips and then fire 10,000 rounds. Assuming that loading and firing was all a completely continuous event, with no breaks of whatever in between, and you didn't develop carpal tunnel or anything.

Seems legit.


Actually it seems like a long weekend at the range for some folks. Ammo can go quickly, especially when shooting with friends.

And learn the difference between 'clip' and 'magazine'.
 
2012-09-03 09:58:00 AM  

vudukungfu: Kibbler: 10,000 rounds isn't a lot?

It is in a house fire.


Nah, ammo in a fire just sounds like popcorn going off. And a firefighter's turnout gear is plenty of protection against the brass that _might_ fly - the bullet stays put, the brass splits and might fly if the cartridges are laying out in the open. It can be stopped by a cardboard box.

(Hatcher's Notebook is a fascinating book, recommended read for anyone interested in this general topic)
 
2012-09-03 10:00:13 AM  

kombat_unit: Kibbler: I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?

1,000,000?

Would you consider 10,000,000 rounds to be "a lot"?

100,000,000?

Would it take a billion rounds before you would concede, "OK that's a lot--a disturbing number--of rounds"? Or would you continue to insist, "No, there's no limit, if the guy can fit 100 billion rounds into his apartment, then more power to him"?

Unless his name was Mohammed al Baqr of course. THOSE people are CRAZY.

Why does round count scare people so much?


So 100 billion rounds is not "a lot"?

1 trillion?

10 trillion?

Is there ever a point where the number of rounds would be considered "a lot"?

If someone had 1000 old newspapers in their house, would that be "a lot"?

How about 10,000 old newspapers? 100,000? 1,000,000?

Does it ever start to sound weird? Does it ever start to sound like, "This person is a hoarder and has mental issues"?

Is there a difference between a person with mental issues having 10,000 newspapers, and 10,000 rounds of ammunition?
 
2012-09-03 10:00:27 AM  

Dextro: I've seen enough mythbusters (maybe 5 episodes) to know their testing methods are bunk and anything but scientific.


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-09-03 10:05:53 AM  
I'm guessing he is preparing for the zombie apocaplypse. That would explain all the machetes. It's enough to arm a small mob. It also explains why he would have ammo and magazines for firearms he doesn't own.
 
2012-09-03 10:06:51 AM  
Isn't 10,000 rounds about what the NYPD uses in an average 'shootout' , wounding the perp once and killing two bystanders?
 
2012-09-03 10:07:58 AM  

fusillade762: In before the 2nd Amendment derp.


Quick response. Good job!
 
2012-09-03 10:08:04 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A serious need of WD40, a couple of those handcannons are filthy.

Sorry flashback being taught the ins and outs of firearms handling with Dad.

/yeah he was military.
 
2012-09-03 10:10:27 AM  

Kibbler:

Is there a difference between a person with mental issues having 10,000 newspapers, and 10,000 rounds of ammunition?


That is what I figured. Grabbers want to equate a round count over X to mental illness.
 
2012-09-03 10:11:42 AM  
vudukungfu You live in Queens. You see your neighbor carry legally to the range. You don't like it. You drive to Phantom Fireworks in Matamorass, PA and but a dollar's worth of firecrackers. You get some spent casings and put them in the casings. When your neighbor is asleep, you toss the bundle, lit out of yoor car window at 1AM and drive off.
The call 011 and report shots fired outside of his apartment.



Probably. My theory is that he was using an airgun to shoot the flying rats (pigeons) that are all over Queens. Pussy knee-jerk neighbor panics and calls the fuzz.

New York has extremely strict gun laws. Even the owning of a handgun is prohibited. This does seem as contradiction to the Supreme Court 2nd Ammendment decision from a few years back.

The image from the article doesn't make sense. He only had TWO actual firearms. Both are pistols but there are several rifle magazines. All the blades in the back of the photo look to me to be those really cheap and worthless "fantasy" type blades. Soft metal that won't hold an edge and are bassically useless for anything BUT decoration. His taste in ammo is bottom shelf. Looks like mostly crappy reloads and bulk-budget brass. He does have one box of Winchester Ranger "Law Enforcement Only" shells in the middle.

This whole thing is strange and incomplete.
Glad he doesn't live next to me though.
Of course,here in Dallas....this would be nothing out of the ordinary and he wouldn't likely be in jail.
(unless he really did shoot one of the REAL firearms outdoors)
 
2012-09-03 10:18:41 AM  

Dextro: Uisce Beatha: Firethorn: loudboy: /If he fired it straight up it would hurt, but not kill. Mythbusters said so.

Just remember that mythbusters used a frame and level to achieve 'straight up', noting that it'd be rather difficult for a human holding a gun to get a precise enough 'straight up' to remove most of the danger. I doubt this guy was bothering that much, or sober for that matter.

Mythbusters also said jumping on a grenade wouldn't save other people nearby, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary, so take their safety advice with a hearty grain of salt.

I've seen enough mythbusters (maybe 5 episodes) to know their testing methods are bunk and anything but scientific.


I remember the time I realized just how lousy Mythbusters testing methods were.

Amusingly enough, it involved the "Ninja arrow catch" referenced in the XKCD comic.

The myth was that a trained ninja could catch an arrow fired at him. They first called it "busted" because they built a mechanical hand and couldn't get it to grab an arrow fired right at it because they couldn't time the hand to close right.

Apparently fan outcry said that was not sufficient testing. Honestly, it wasn't. They love to fall back on their special effects experience to make everything a chance to make some kind of funky apparatus.

So, to re-test the myth they brought out a ninjutsu instructor, somebody who had been studying martial arts for a few decades and had a high rank in ninjutsu. So, they test it by having somebody fire arrows (with rounded safety ends) by him from a relatively low pull bow.

He catches the arrows, repeatedly. They then apparently fire arrows by him from beyond his field of vision, which he doesn't catch because he doesn't see them coming, so they just whiz by him.

So. They state that since he couldn't catch arrows fired at him that he didn't even know about, and was only catching ones from low-powered bows, it's still "busted". . .

Never mind that he met the original criteria for the myth: to catch an arrow fired at him. No stipulations about how he had to know it was being fired at him from behind, or be fired from a bow of any particular pull.

It was like they wanted to call it "busted" and were going to do whatever it took to come up with that conclusion.

That's where I decided that Mythbusters is fun entertainment, but it's crap for settling disputes of if something is possible or not possible.
 
2012-09-03 10:20:08 AM  
Damn. So desensitized to guns that you're arguing over whether 10,000 rounds of ammunition is "a lot"
 
2012-09-03 10:23:57 AM  

Silverstaff: Never mind that he met the original criteria for the myth: to catch an arrow fired at him. No stipulations about how he had to know it was being fired at him from behind, or be fired from a bow of any particular pull.


I can be shot in the chest and only be bruised. I must be bulletproof, right? Oh, what do you mean wax bullets propelled only by the primer don't count?

Warbows tended to have extreme pulls, even more than ones intended for hunting. In ideal circumstances he eventually managed to nab a few from, as you say, reduced-pull bows.

If 'ninjas' caught arrows back in the old days, it was probably like what happened in mythbusters - a carefully set up exhibition.
 
2012-09-03 10:27:21 AM  

Silverstaff


Never mind that he met the original criteria for the myth: to catch an arrow fired at him. No stipulations about how he had to know it was being fired at him from behind, or be fired from a bow of any particular pull.

It was like they wanted to call it "busted" and were going to do whatever it took to come up with that conclusion.

That's where I decided that Mythbusters is fun entertainment, but it's crap for settling disputes of if something is possible or not possible.


The setup for that experiment explained that the idea was the ninja catching arrows to prevent being injured. IOW, if someone wanted to kill the ninja by loosing arrows at him, could the ninja catch the arrows and avoid being hurt?

They realized the only way it could work was by sending slow arrows - with easily-visible tennis ball safety tips - directly at the guy so he could catch one or two. This is not the same as someone attacking with regular pointy arrows delivered at speed. Hence, the myth was busted.
 
2012-09-03 10:28:38 AM  

Kibbler: If you were firing one round per second, and each clip had 20 rounds...


I tried to put a 20 round clip in my M1 once. The bolt wouldn't close. So I tried it in my Albanian SKS. No luck there either. For some reason, all my clip fed firearms won't function with extended clips.
 
2012-09-03 10:35:44 AM  

Silverstaff: That's where I decided that Mythbusters is fun entertainment, but it's crap for settling disputes of if something is possible or not possible.


That's the thing I like about Mythbusters: the definition of "possible" is rooted in "come on, when's this going to happen, really". If I was trying to kill someone with an arrow, it would not be a low-pull bow. This is a perfect example of letter versus spirit. Yes, it's possible to catch an arrow, but only in a friendly setting. Since that's not why someone would normally need to catch an arrow fired at them, it's busted. This was about ninjas.
 
2012-09-03 10:39:07 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Silverstaff

Never mind that he met the original criteria for the myth: to catch an arrow fired at him. No stipulations about how he had to know it was being fired at him from behind, or be fired from a bow of any particular pull.

It was like they wanted to call it "busted" and were going to do whatever it took to come up with that conclusion.

That's where I decided that Mythbusters is fun entertainment, but it's crap for settling disputes of if something is possible or not possible.


The setup for that experiment explained that the idea was the ninja catching arrows to prevent being injured. IOW, if someone wanted to kill the ninja by loosing arrows at him, could the ninja catch the arrows and avoid being hurt?

They realized the only way it could work was by sending slow arrows - with easily-visible tennis ball safety tips - directly at the guy so he could catch one or two. This is not the same as someone attacking with regular pointy arrows delivered at speed. Hence, the myth was busted.


No it wasn't.

They never declared those kind of elaborate conditions up front. They wanted to know "could a ninja catch an arrow?" They then proceeded to have a trained ninja actually catch an arrow. Under ideal circumstances, but they did it.

They then decided to up the stakes and say it couldn't be done under more elaborate circumstances. That's the problem, goalpost moving.

The historic myth was indeed probably a lucky catch or a carefully staged exhibition to impress/scare people, but there was at least some kernel of truth that a ninja could catch an arrow shot at him. It wouldn't be like a wuxia film with him snatching them out of the air casually, but it could have happened once and through the fog of war and distortion of myth and history it could have become that myth.

They should have at least called it "plausible", since they showed that under ideal circumstances it could be done.

It didn't help that their first attempt to bust it was based entirely on their ability to build a mechanical grasping hand out of bicycle chains and time it's closing to an arrow being shot through it. Again, their special effects experience taints their methodologies. It's an entertainment show, they want lots of gadgets and explosions, and will find ways to fit them in to tests when that might not be the best way to investigate.
 
2012-09-03 10:40:21 AM  
10k rounds is a "mountain" of ammunition?

Since when? shiat, I have that much in 5.56 just behind the couch.
 
2012-09-03 10:41:24 AM  

Silverstaff: That's where I decided that Mythbusters is fun entertainment, but it's crap for settling disputes of if something is possible or not possible.


They're certainly not the definitive final word on anything, nor do they claim to be... They've made plenty of mistakes and owned up to them over the years in re-testing... And, yeah, their criteria for what constitutes "busted", "confirmed", or "plausible" is always a bit shaky and subjective... But, the great part of the show is not the results; it's the testing! It almost doesn't matter what they decide the outcome is... The fun part, the interesting part, the part that encourages scientific thinking, is designing and running all the tests... The fact that they screw up sometimes only makes it better, in that it encourages all their viewers to complain to them with better ideas for testing...
 
2012-09-03 10:43:04 AM  

Pribar: Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


A tiny penis?
 
2012-09-03 10:44:50 AM  

Oznog: [t0.gstatic.com image 282x179][t0.gstatic.com image 282x179][t0.gstatic.com image 282x179]

32 machetes & 60 knives? 

You realize that means there was a point where he already had like 15 machetes in an apartment and said "you know what I REALLY need right now? Some MORE MACHETES!"... over and over. 

So were you buying them all, hoping to one day find the PERFECT machete for your apartment?



That guy better hope he doesn't fall down.
 
2012-09-03 10:50:07 AM  

lilbjorn: Pribar: Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?

A tiny penis?


Already beat you to that joke.
 
2012-09-03 10:56:17 AM  

whatshisname: I think I saw that episode of Hoarders


Too true. There's a subtle difference between collecting for fun and collecting to feed one's psychotic obsession. The machetes and way-too-many mags (especially the still blister packed ones) scream OCD to me. The rest of his "arsenal" sounds like part of my gun safe. Of course, if it's illegal where he lives to have such a collection, then he deserves what he gets. When I lived in DC, I had firearms, but they met the requirements of the city to own and have them. My handguns stayed out in VA with an old friend until I moved back to good ol' Florida. The amount of ammo seems a bit high as well, a bit too much for a casual range shooter (his choice in pistols made it obvious that he wasn't a "real" range shooter) unless he got a great deal on bulk ammo. Still, I say, a rather dangerous person to have firearms and not one that I would want to live near.

/Kahr, Ruger, Sig, FN, Walther, Winchester, Mossburg, Bushmaster; all part of the family
 
2012-09-03 10:58:17 AM  
But thanks for the http://www.cheaperthandirt.com link - looks like some pretty inexpensive stuff in there.
 
2012-09-03 10:59:22 AM  
What the hell is a 51 y/o man doing with an 18 month old daughter? (neighbor quoted in TFA)
 
2012-09-03 11:00:40 AM  

ZzeusS


But thanks for the http://www.cheaperthandirt.com link - looks like some pretty inexpensive stuff in there.


Wait 'til you see the shipping charges...
 
2012-09-03 11:16:49 AM  
Do Americans realise that threads like this make you sound like a bunch of complete morons?

People flexing over owning more guns than the crazy guy.

People justifying a civillian who owns several pairs of handcuffs, which you can only pray are for sex play.

People just plain ignoring a man who OWNS 32 MACHETES in an urban area no less, he aint planning on doing no serious gardening.

Others claiming a guy who owns that much weaponary, and fires shots into the air for shiats and giggles, just needs a stern talking to?

Holy fk, you guys don't have the faintest clue what's wrong with you.

And when a loner, with a massive cache of legally obtained weaponary kills a whole lot of people, it happens so often your first instinct is, my cold dead hands.

You don't have the faintest clue what a downward slide your society is on, Citzens United, Death of the argument over the right to bear arms. No one is going to invade the US so you nutcases will be able to re-enact Red Dawn.

You guys are going to stuff up that lovely country all on your crazy own.
 
2012-09-03 11:22:28 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ♫ And a cartridge in an M3 ♫


Beautiful
 
2012-09-03 11:33:33 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: ZzeusS

But thanks for the http://www.cheaperthandirt.com link - looks like some pretty inexpensive stuff in there.


Wait 'til you see the shipping charges...



Buck a pound? Seems pretty normal to me. I was actually expecting more.
 
2012-09-03 11:34:20 AM  

imsol: People just plain ignoring a man who OWNS 32 MACHETES in an urban area no less, he aint planning on doing no serious gardening.


So what is he planning on doing with them? What nefarious deed does he have planned that requires 32 machetes, as opposed to 1 machete? What evil will a lone man wreak with 32 machetes that cannot be accomplished with 2?

How many machetes can a person own before you want them jailed? 2? 1 if he only has one arm? 3 if his lot is overgrown and he needs a spare?

Or is he a hoarder fixated on machetes and has no plans on doing anything to his precious, precious collection. Except maybe buy more.
 
2012-09-03 11:36:46 AM  

ModeratelyProfane: Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?

A serious need of WD40, a couple of those handcannons are filthy.

Sorry flashback being taught the ins and outs of firearms handling with Dad.

/yeah he was military.


Ugh. WD-40 is a water displacer that leaves a waxy gum when it dries. It's the last thing you want to use on a precision device like a gun (or a clock, or a lock). So many good products made specifically for cleaning and lubricating guns, and that's not one of 'em.

/not even a very good water displacer, but was about as good as it got 50 years ago
//actually, it's a VERY good lube when machining aluminum, oddly enough.
 
2012-09-03 11:45:43 AM  
1) Firing your gun into the air is weapons-grade stupid. Endangers bystanders, wastes expensive ammo you could be using at the range to increase proficiency. Also draws unnecessary attention to yourself even in places where it's legal.

2) That said, why so scary, New Yorkers? This guy owned 2 pistols and a bunch of other stuff. Take away the pistols and you have an equally deadly cache of potential weaponry in your house right now. In between your lighter, your can of WD-40, your pesticides, your bread knife, your meat cleaver, your guitar strings, and the ever popular combo of "microwave oven, junk drawer and hairspray cans", and you own the ability to cause a killing spree right now.

/You'll need a handle for those guitar strings.
//Unless you don't like having fingers after you're done.
 
2012-09-03 11:51:51 AM  

imsol: Do Americans realise that threads like this make you sound like a bunch of complete morons?

People flexing over owning more guns than the crazy guy.

People justifying a civillian who owns several pairs of handcuffs, which you can only pray are for sex play.

People just plain ignoring a man who OWNS 32 MACHETES in an urban area no less, he aint planning on doing no serious gardening.

Others claiming a guy who owns that much weaponary, and fires shots into the air for shiats and giggles, just needs a stern talking to?

Holy fk, you guys don't have the faintest clue what's wrong with you.

And when a loner, with a massive cache of legally obtained weaponary kills a whole lot of people, it happens so often your first instinct is, my cold dead hands.

You don't have the faintest clue what a downward slide your society is on, Citzens United, Death of the argument over the right to bear arms. No one is going to invade the US so you nutcases will be able to re-enact Red Dawn.

You guys are going to stuff up that lovely country all on your crazy own.


I don't really care how many machetes he owns as he only has two arms. He also owns two handguns, which is far from an arsenal.

Finally, we really don't much care if some effete Canadian or Euro thinks that we are crazy. They have plenty of problems of their own to deal with.
 
2012-09-03 11:57:43 AM  
I just assume the magazines are "Soldier of Fortune" and "Internet Tough Guy."
 
2012-09-03 11:57:52 AM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Wait 'til you see the shipping charges...


If eBay taught me anything, it's to read the fine print before pulling the trigger (so to speak) on a transaction. I like GrabAGun for their prices and selection, but the site's setup is crappy; takes half an hour to find something even when you know exactly what you want. But they did have a Chiappa Rhino 40DS for a couple hundred less than anyone in town.
 
2012-09-03 12:41:46 PM  

twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that?


Same question, troll word removed, except I'm deadly serious. I have more ACTUAL guns at my house, but with the good sense not to fire them in the air in a residential district.

Arsenal: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
 
2012-09-03 12:52:17 PM  
It wasn't just the two unlicensed handguns that'll hang him. Here in the People's Republic of New York, tasers and brass knuckles are felonies as well. Just having something that LOOKS like a brass knuckle is a trip to the cooler here.
If he was popping off rounds in his yard, he's an idiot to the tenth power. As hard as it is to get handguns legally here in NYS, he's an insult. I'm with the "he's an illegal dealer" camp as regards the other crap they found, ammo, machetes and whatnot. The airsofts were probably for the dudes without the cheese for real steel.
 
2012-09-03 01:04:19 PM  
Why does no one seem to care that every sensationalized gun story lately involves someone illegally obtaining or carrying firearms? So these people are not following the law, how are more laws going to make them listen?
 
2012-09-03 01:22:21 PM  
Come on Fark! You're slipping!

This is NOTING to worry about. The police just stumbled into on of Jack Bauer's store houses.
 
2012-09-03 01:24:56 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 800x602]



Hell if 2 is a arsenal then what do I have?


You have only one. The Mk II...

It is excellent. You can take that one and toss the rest although you should fire off a magazine of the Jennings and see if it falls apart in your hand (you can even find that chambered in .32 btw). If it doesn't then sell it to a gang banger friend as a booby trap.
 
2012-09-03 01:36:57 PM  
cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home

so there was no proof that he actually fired the shots? firecrackers? drive by?

2 .22 pistols? tons of ammo and magazines he did not have weapons for? yeah, he is either crazy or is getting framed
 
2012-09-03 01:57:44 PM  
Was it necessary to kill Mr. Warrant?
i.imgur.com
Isn't there enough violence already?
 
2012-09-03 02:27:11 PM  

Ontos: 10k rounds is a "mountain" of ammunition?

Since when? shiat, I have that much in 5.56 just behind the couch.


It is only bad when you have that many between your couch cushions.

By the way, why the usename?
 
2012-09-03 02:30:06 PM  
And tangentially related, there was a situation over on this coast where a big shipment of AR-15 replica air rifles from China turned out to be modifiable to be functional weapons. The receivers were 2 parts away from being actual semi-auto .223 or 5.56 rigs. You could buy the airguns from a corner store, then turn around an order the other parts from online suppliers and bam: you have a fully functional rifle totally under the radar. The BATFE only legally defines the receiver as the "firearm" so ordering the other parts online doesn't require any extra paperwork.

Sure it is possible, but I think anyone trying to do that would get themselves killed.
http://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/2010/02/28/airsoft-gun-seizure-appar e ntly-toys-can-be-real-guns/
 
2012-09-03 02:53:04 PM  
This is Charleton Heston's stash.

infectedtube.com

This clown in Queens is an amateur.
 
2012-09-03 02:55:58 PM  

Click Click D'oh: Kibbler: If you were firing one round per second, and each clip had 20 rounds...

I tried to put a 20 round clip in my M1 once. The bolt wouldn't close. So I tried it in my Albanian SKS. No luck there either. For some reason, all my clip fed firearms won't function with extended clips.


That's because you try to pack the magazine to it's limit and the spring pressure is too great. Try only 15 rounds or 25 in a 30.
 
2012-09-03 03:04:10 PM  

sycraft: Jim_Callahan: //26 magazines means there were more than two handguns at one point. Probably 11 more.

Not necessarily. While handguns only come with a couple magazines, people often buy more. I have seven for my XDm. It came with two in the box, a coupon for three more free. I then got two on sale. So why seven? Well generally when I go to the range I go to shoot 100 rounds, two boxes, with it (I tend to bring two or three guns and usually a 100 rounds for each). I like to have all the magazines loaded at home. Much more comfortable to load them while watching TV than to do it in the heat of the outdoor range. The mags are 19 round so 5 doesn't quite do it. Then I like to have one extra, unloaded, in case I should find one has a problem and need to unload and reload in to a different one.

Given that they aren't all that expensive (particularly when I got 5 with the gun) there's no reason not to do it that way IMO.

Now in this case it looks like the dude was just pack ratting them for whatever reason. He has a bunch still in their retail box. As I said in my other post, someone needs to tell him Glock mags aren't collectibles, it is ok to take them out of the box and use them.


Last election, ammo and magazine prices jumped right along with firearms.

Considering the guy is in NYC draconian rule zone, stocking up on firearms would be a pain, but grabbing a couple dozen 1k bricks and some magazines isn't. A lucky person might be able to turn around and sell those the day after Obama wins for twice, or three times the price paid.

/Everybody feels foolish on the gun rush last time, but won't admit it, so it's not a sure bet this election.
//Neither is an Obama win.
 
2012-09-03 03:19:41 PM  

stevarooni: Englebert Slaptyback: Wait 'til you see the shipping charges...

If eBay taught me anything, it's to read the fine print before pulling the trigger (so to speak) on a transaction. I like GrabAGun for their prices and selection, but the site's setup is crappy; takes half an hour to find something even when you know exactly what you want. But they did have a Chiappa Rhino 40DS for a couple hundred less than anyone in town.


Dick! I have been looking at the Rhinos and they have the 20DS Blk at 100 less than everybody else I have looked at.

Temptation....
 
2012-09-03 03:59:02 PM  

Dextro: Gyrfalcon: twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that, libmitter?

That somebody would want 32 machetes who wasn't the Zeta cartel is kind of scary to me.

Why?


Because he can cut off 64 heads before he has to stop and resharpen!
 
2012-09-03 04:53:14 PM  

Aigoo: twiztedjustin: 2 hand guns, legal under the 2nd Amendment, and a bunch of toys.

What is so "scary" about that?

Same question, troll word removed, except I'm deadly serious. I have more ACTUAL guns at my house, but with the good sense not to fire them in the air in a residential district.

Arsenal: you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.


That's it. He's not a responsible gun owner. In this case, the cops haven't persecuted a responsible citizen who is simply exercising his constitutional right, they took away an idiot who has more handguns than brain cells.

So let me turn it around: Why is anyone on here trying to defend this guy or make it sound like the cops are doing a BAD thing?

Oh, and maybe arsenal is journalist word like AK-47, but it means "more guns that I have."

/And put me down as also wondering what sort of person looks at his collection of 15 machetes and says "I could use another".
 
2012-09-03 05:29:36 PM  

imsol: Do Americans realise that threads like this make you sound like a bunch of complete morons?

People flexing over owning more guns than the crazy guy.

People justifying a civillian who owns several pairs of handcuffs, which you can only pray are for sex play.

People just plain ignoring a man who OWNS 32 MACHETES in an urban area no less, he aint planning on doing no serious gardening.

Others claiming a guy who owns that much weaponary, and fires shots into the air for shiats and giggles, just needs a stern talking to?

Holy fk, you guys don't have the faintest clue what's wrong with you.

And when a loner, with a massive cache of legally obtained weaponary kills a whole lot of people, it happens so often your first instinct is, my cold dead hands.

You don't have the faintest clue what a downward slide your society is on, Citzens United, Death of the argument over the right to bear arms. No one is going to invade the US so you nutcases will be able to re-enact Red Dawn.

You guys are going to stuff up that lovely country all on your crazy own.


6/10
 
2012-09-03 06:23:26 PM  

INeedAName: I know all the gun nuts want to immediately cry about this shiat, but this sentence explains it: Michael Millazzo, 53, of Shore Blvd. in Astoria, was arrested by cops investigating reports of shots fired in the air in front of his home on Aug. 26.

He fired his gun off into the air, in a residential area, and the police executed a warrant to search. This is the exact jackarse you guys should be lambasting for giving real gun nuts a bad name.

First thing I was ever taught about handling a gun, never point it at something you don't intend to kill.

/Grew up in a hunting family, but I always got bored sitting in the woods for hours on end.


You know how I know you haven't read the thread...?

There are a lot of "gun nuts" in here who posted that they are glad he got nailed for doing something that stupid.

They're also laughing at the press calling "2 pistols" an "arsenal".
 
2012-09-03 08:01:46 PM  

Kibbler: I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?

1,000,000?

Would you consider 10,000,000 rounds to be "a lot"?

100,000,000?

Would it take a billion rounds before you would concede, "OK that's a lot--a disturbing number--of rounds"? Or would you continue to insist, "No, there's no limit, if the guy can fit 100 billion rounds into his apartment, then more power to him"?

Unless his name was Mohammed al Baqr of course. THOSE people are CRAZY.


Bulk prices are cheaper, so I can easily imagine someone having 1000 rounds of shotshells, couple of thousand 9mm a couple thousand .357, couple of thousand rifle rounds, 5k .223 ammo... 10,000 isn't really extreme, just a guy who shoots a LOT. I ordered 440 rounds of rifle ammo just because it was a good price for less common 7.62x54R rounds for my bolt-action rifle, and I don't shoot often.

100,000 seems an awful lot to me, but not necessarily crazy. If they have a LOT of different calibers and some are hard-to-find and the guy and his family basically shoots all the time as their hobby, that would seem more obsessed than I am with Civ4 and Moo2, and maybe unhealthy.

1m seems crazy.
 
2012-09-03 08:27:07 PM  

jafiwam: Dick! I have been looking at the Rhinos and they have the 20DS Blk at 100 less than everybody else I have looked at.

Temptation....


It's a very fun gun (40DS is, anyway). Two things, though: First, it doesn't actually reduce the recoil, it just aligns it with your forearm, so the muzzle flip really is almost nothing (even as the .357 Magnum force presses hard against the meat of your hand). Secondly, some of the controls could use some work, they're a little...not perfect. The cylinder release is stiff, and moves awkwardly downward rather than forward as does a S&W's release. The charging hammer (not a true hammer; it doesn't stay cocked back) feels like it's poised on the end of a lever, so that if you pull back the wrong way it might bend or slip. This hasn't happened, but this is just the awkwardness of the gun. And the trigger is a little stiff for some. There's room for improvement, but putting the barrel at 6 o'clock makes a huge difference in muzzle flip.
 
2012-09-03 09:32:56 PM  

Spare Me: This is Charleton Heston's stash.

[infectedtube.com image 850x544]

This clown in Queens is an amateur.


Why does he have college dorm furniture? It's the only flaw in that room.
 
2012-09-03 09:33:38 PM  

Spare Me: This is Charleton Heston's stash.

[infectedtube.com image 850x544]

This clown in Queens is an amateur.


I've partied in better vaults.
But my lips are sealed.
 
2012-09-03 10:13:14 PM  

Kibbler: I wonder, would 10,000 rounds be considered a lot?

How about 100,000? No?


There's a fine line between serious collector and hobby dealer / trader(which is what this guy sounds like).

So, no. No amount is automatically a "nutjob" level of ammo in and of itself. Same goes for toys and machete's.
 
2012-09-03 10:19:16 PM  
/local legality as an aside for my above post
 
2012-09-03 10:54:25 PM  
When is two handguns EVER an arsenal? Airguns, machetes? Come on...
 
2012-09-03 11:33:31 PM  

Spare Me: I tried to put a 20 round clip in my M1 once. The bolt wouldn't close. So I tried it in my Albanian SKS. No luck there either. For some reason, all my clip fed firearms won't function with extended clips.

That's because you try to pack the magazine to it's limit and the spring pressure is too great. Try only 15 rounds or 25 in a 30.


It's a clip/magazine terminology joke. A magazine is an ammunition feeding device(typically has a spring in it). A 'clip' is merely a storage/holding system for ammo. Do a google search on the weapons he listed... Both, in their original setup, are internal magazine rifles fed by actual clips, from the top down through the open bolt. In the case of the SKS, stripper clips(IE the rounds are stripped off the clip as you load the magazine via an enthusiastic push straight down/in), and in the case of the M1 'En Bloc' clip, the clip goes into the magazine with the rounds; when you fire the last round the empty clip is ejected with a 'ping'.

Thus, a 'high capacity clip' would still be sticking up, blocking the bolt, when inserted. Modification kits exist to convert the SKS to a removable magazine rifle taking AK47 magazines, but everything I've read says that they're unreliable POS. Not sure about the M1, it's built a lot heavier and there's not a common market for 30.06 magazines; they might exist but I haven't heard about them.
 
2012-09-04 12:53:53 AM  

Firethorn: Modification kits exist to convert the SKS to a removable magazine rifle taking AK47 magazines, but everything I've read says that they're unreliable POS.


They also sell SKS-specific magazines; disassemble the gun and remove the fixed magazine, and the SKS magazine works...with mixed results based on production run. The magazine has this massive arm that can be difficult to use until you're used to it (and doesn't work so well with wood stocks).
 
2012-09-04 01:05:13 AM  

stevarooni: They also sell SKS-specific magazines; disassemble the gun and remove the fixed magazine, and the SKS magazine works...with mixed results based on production run. The magazine has this massive arm that can be difficult to use until you're used to it (and doesn't work so well with wood stocks).


So we have another modification* that in exchange for modifying the rifle less requires custom, unwieldy, and STILL often unreliable magazines? At least AK magazines are cheap and readily available.

*You're going to have to modify the rifle; taking the original magazine off if nothing else.
 
2012-09-04 08:41:29 AM  

Firethorn: So we have another modification* that in exchange for modifying the rifle less requires custom, unwieldy, and STILL often unreliable magazines? At least AK magazines are cheap and readily available.

*You're going to have to modify the rifle; taking the original magazine off if nothing else.


:D Yes. If you happen to get one with a good spring, they're reliable, it just takes some practice to load a magazine with proficiency. In terms of availability, though, Cabelas certainly carries them, in-store and online. Still, turns out...the SKS is not the ideal modern combat rifle, in several ways.

On the other hand, I have friends who swear by it as a deer hunting rifle.
 
2012-09-04 09:35:23 AM  

stevarooni: On the other hand, I have friends who swear by it as a deer hunting rifle.


I don't think it's bad as one at all either. It's enjoyable to shoot and a neat piece of history, but one should remember that it IS rather out of date as far as military tech goes.
 
2012-09-04 10:10:42 AM  

Firethorn: I don't think it's bad as one at all either. It's enjoyable to shoot and a neat piece of history, but one should remember that it IS rather out of date as far as military tech goes.


But you can arm an entire troop of girl scouts with sks's for the same price as one AR platform. Which would be more deadly? 15 armed girls that are experiencing their monthly "brain chemistry change" for the first time or one weekend warrior, who has only used his $2000+ tacool AR to punch holes in paper. I guess it depends on the tactics of the battle space. :-)
 
2012-09-04 10:48:21 AM  
Eh, even Mosin-Nagants are getting pricey, these days! $150 a pop, at a recent gun show, and SKSs were running in the $300+ range. And a similarly-equipped, fairly cheap AR-15 (i.e. nothing beyond the stock) was running in the $700 range.
 
2012-09-04 11:32:07 AM  
Yikes! $300+ for an sks? scary. I have to get out more. Back on topic: I'm thinking the cops didn't find this guys OTHER guns. You know, the rifles that actually use those magazines and bullets. So glad I live in a state where 10000 bullets are considered good enough for a few months supply.

And remember kids, listen to Tio Chango! "Temperature cycles and humility are the enemy of bullets" So always store your long term ammo supply at a constant temperature in a desiccated sealed box.
 
2012-09-04 11:59:41 PM  

MonoChango: Firethorn: I don't think it's bad as one at all either. It's enjoyable to shoot and a neat piece of history, but one should remember that it IS rather out of date as far as military tech goes.

But you can arm an entire troop of girl scouts with sks's for the same price as one AR platform. Which would be more deadly? 15 armed girls that are experiencing their monthly "brain chemistry change" for the first time or one weekend warrior, who has only used his $2000+ tacool AR to punch holes in paper. I guess it depends on the tactics of the battle space. :-)


Like Stevarooni said, it's more like 2:1, assuming a relatively 'stock' AR-15. It's the bling like tactical scopes that make AR-15s expensive,
 
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