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(News.com.au)   Bruce Willis considering legal action against Apple over rights to digital music collection   (news.com.au) divider line 77
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2012-09-02 08:16:36 PM  
Go Bruce!
 
2012-09-02 08:20:27 PM  
If only there was an easier way of getting music and media.

I'm sure I'll think of one while I am watching the rip of TDKR that just finished downloading in 26 minutes.....
 
2012-09-02 08:21:36 PM  
He does make a good point- why shouldnt he be able to give his stuff to his girls ? he paid for it....
 
2012-09-02 08:25:42 PM  

alienated: He does make a good point- why shouldnt he be able to give his stuff to his girls ? he paid for it....


It's already built-in to iTunes, you can share your music library with up to 5 other people/authorize them access.

/axl rose 4evuh
 
2012-09-02 08:26:01 PM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: I'm sure I'll think of one while I am watching the rip of TDKR that just finished downloading in 26 minutes.....


You download stuff still? Why not just stream it from somewhere?
 
2012-09-02 08:44:12 PM  
Die Hard IV spoiler alert. He loses.
 
2012-09-02 08:55:23 PM  

bulldg4life: Bill_Wick's_Friend: I'm sure I'll think of one while I am watching the rip of TDKR that just finished downloading in 26 minutes.....

You download stuff still? Why not just stream it from somewhere?


I get tired of searching for a stable stream. I get tired of pop ups. I get tired of walking away for an hour and the stream has crashed. I much prefer just grabbing it, watching it and deleting it.

ymmv
 
2012-09-02 09:06:54 PM  

bulldg4life: Bill_Wick's_Friend: I'm sure I'll think of one while I am watching the rip of TDKR that just finished downloading in 26 minutes.....

You download stuff still? Why not just stream it from somewhere?


I listen to albums. I've never liked radio-style playlists.
 
2012-09-02 09:23:29 PM  

GAT_00: I listen to albums. I've never liked radio-style playlists.


Thank you sir. I do too - although we are in the minority.

Unfortunately most musicians/groups/producers don't make albums in the traditional sense anymore and people don't have the patience to listen to them all the way through.

And, most people don't really pay to own music anymore - they are satisfied with streaming.
 
2012-09-02 09:32:52 PM  

joshiz: Unfortunately most musicians/groups/producers don't make albums in the traditional sense anymore and people don't have the patience to listen to them all the way through.


And I don't buy their music, so I suppose that simply re-enforces that.

I am badly short on new music these days though. I've probably only added a dozen albums in the last three years, and not all of those were new, and of the new releases, it's an eclectic group: Foo Fighters, Sara Bareilles, AWOLNATION and Rush. Yeah.
 
2012-09-02 09:57:37 PM  

GAT_00: And I don't buy their music, so I suppose that simply re-enforces that.


Well, you're not alone. I have to buy music to keep current as a dj but I do get a lot of promos. We all swap a lot of music (all of us djs) but it's a bit different - when we play it out it is actually promo for the artists/labels.

Regarding iTunes in particular - I sell music on there but I couldn't tell you when the last time I bought any music. Most of the music I buy for djing is from Beatport. If it's some classic or well known major label thing I'm looking for usually I already have it on vinyl but want a pristine digital copy and would rather find a WAV/AIF file rather than Apple Lossless.

I kind of feel that if I already own the vinyl, I'm entitled to a digital copy of it. I could rip it myself but that is a very time consuming process. I'd like to see the RIAA come after me - with the amount of money I've spent on music over the years (and the 15,000+ records to show for it) I don't think they would get very far.
 
2012-09-02 10:22:48 PM  

joshiz: I could rip it myself but that is a very time consuming process


True, but hey, thats the only way to get FLAC. mp3s are fine, but uncompressed- thats the real deal, imho
 
2012-09-02 10:39:08 PM  

alienated: True, but hey, thats the only way to get FLAC. mp3s are fine, but uncompressed- thats the real deal, imho


I do rip a few tracks a week but to do 15,000 records would take a few interns and a couple years at least :)

AIF/WAV is preferred for me - storage space is not an issue and CDJs/Traktor/Serato don't like FLAC too much. If I keep it all in the digital realm I can play 24bit which is what I record in. Creating FLAC from that is just an extra step.

To get back to the original post, it's not really hard to break any DRM and hand the tracks over plus as someone mentioned, you can authorize 5 machines per iTunes account but yeah, you should own it if you buy it.
 
2012-09-02 10:49:38 PM  
I'm not saying that content owners and dealers should have to maintain DRM access for eternity.

Just for as long as the content is copyrighted.
 
2012-09-02 10:50:10 PM  
Right or wrong, having a legal battle with Apple has ranked up there with land wars in Asia and going up against Sicilians when death is on the line.
 
2012-09-02 11:30:47 PM  

bojon: Die Hard IV spoiler alert. He loses.


They already made IV. And apparently V has finished filming and is set to come out next year.
 
2012-09-03 02:42:47 AM  
I- I buy my music.


/I'll just slink away now
 
2012-09-03 02:54:30 AM  

Makh: Right or wrong, having a legal battle with Apple has ranked up there with land wars in Asia and going up against Sicilians when death is on the line.


pretty much yeah.
 
2012-09-03 02:57:58 AM  
Reading things before purchasing is hard.
 
2012-09-03 03:08:26 AM  
Before I RTFA I assumed this was over payment for the one copy of "Return of Bruno" that someone drunkenly downloaded while looking for the Sacha Baron Cohen film.
 
2012-09-03 04:21:03 AM  

alienated: He does make a good point- why shouldnt he be able to give his stuff to his girls ? he paid for it....


Yes, he also paid for his leased car, so why can't he leave the car to his daughters?
Right or wrong but that is the contract he 'signed' and accepted. I totally understand the issue and I might disagree with the content provider but how come people always complain about things AFTER they sign off on the agreement?
 
2012-09-03 05:20:39 AM  
being a hollywood movie star doesn't make bald ex-bartender from NJ anything special. get over yourself bruce. and buy a rug you cheap bastard, you look like hell white boy.

/your children have stupid names, too
 
2012-09-03 05:36:58 AM  

alienated: joshiz: I could rip it myself but that is a very time consuming process

True, but hey, thats the only way to get FLAC. mp3s are fine, but uncompressed- thats the real deal, imho


If you do a proper test, or read one of the bazillion out there online, you'll learn that lossless is a waste of time. That is, unless you have (loud)speakers worth six figures and a setup to drive them properly.
 
2012-09-03 05:43:42 AM  

joshiz: To get back to the original post, it's not really hard to break any DRM and hand the tracks over plus as someone mentioned, you can authorize 5 machines per iTunes account but yeah, you should own it if you buy it.


Also this.

And Willis will (unfortunately) be laughed out of court if sues Apple. The RIAA is the one that lays claim to your music. Suing Apple for a complaint with digital music is like suing Target for a complaint with a DVD.
 
2012-09-03 05:49:20 AM  
Why do people pay for stuff?
 
2012-09-03 05:51:56 AM  

GAT_00: I am badly short on new music these days though.


There is absolutely nothing worth listening to and it has been that way for a long time and it has never been so bad.
 
2012-09-03 05:56:22 AM  

Makh: Right or wrong, having a legal battle with Apple has ranked up there with land wars in Asia and going up against Sicilians when death is on the line.


Depends on which country the war is waged in. Apple lost against Samsung in Japan, but they won in the US. So it all depends.
 
2012-09-03 07:18:24 AM  
That's why I don't dig all this cloud shiat coming up. What's such a travesty about having to own physical media?
 
2012-09-03 08:09:14 AM  

Waldo Pepper: digistil: joshiz: To get back to the original post, it's not really hard to break any DRM and hand the tracks over plus as someone mentioned, you can authorize 5 machines per iTunes account but yeah, you should own it if you buy it.

Also this.

And Willis will (unfortunately) be laughed out of court if sues Apple. The RIAA is the one that lays claim to your music. Suing Apple for a complaint with digital music is like suing Target for a complaint with a DVD.

not if he simply wants to transfer his itunes library to one of his kids when he dies. No different then giving your cds/records to your kids when you die. I would argue that the consumer is under the impression they are purchasing the music/movies unlike leasing a vehicle. nobody reads the disclaimers and itunes and amazon are set up to make a consumer believe they are buying the music/book.


Again, the RIAA holds the rights to the music being sold, so they make the rules. It's the same reason iTunes originally had DRM music. Apple could change the iTunes ToS for music sold under a new ToS, but the RIAA would immediately pull all music from iTunes.

Google also tried to fight the ridiculous restrictions imposed by the RIAA, but had to give in as well in order to sell music in Google Play.
 
2012-09-03 08:28:11 AM  
Youtube = free music.

I don't buy anymore.
 
2012-09-03 08:49:58 AM  
He could, I dunno, give his kids his password, problem solved.
 
2012-09-03 08:56:55 AM  
He has shiatty tastes in music anyway. Why would he want to torture his daughters with tunes from his wanna be boy band?
 
2012-09-03 09:10:36 AM  

digistil: Again, the RIAA holds the rights to the music being sold


The RIAA represents those who have the rights to the music. The RIAA itself does not hold the rights. It's a trade organization.
 
2012-09-03 09:21:21 AM  
LOL I'm going to make fun of you for NOT stealing!
 
2012-09-03 09:25:57 AM  
I'm a little confused. Couldn't he just give his kids copies of the files? It might not be "legal," but I fail to see how Apple could come after you.

Since Apple doesn't have DRM any more on music, it shouldn't be much of an issue. He'd have a much stronger case against something like Steam, and even then it could be solved by just leaving your password in your will like mentioned above.
 
2012-09-03 09:27:23 AM  
Eh, just rip it from youtube, you pussy.
 
2012-09-03 09:34:48 AM  

Electrify: I'm a little confused. Couldn't he just give his kids copies of the files? It might not be "legal," but I fail to see how Apple could come after you.


Obviously he could get away with it. That's not the point. The point is that he shouldn't have to resort to "getting away" with things.
 
2012-09-03 09:44:05 AM  

Bill_Wick's_Friend: If only there was an easier way of getting music and media.

I'm sure I'll think of one while I am watching the rip of TDKR that just finished downloading in 26 minutes.....


I had friends who pirated directv who thought much the same. They were served civil suits for having purchased card readers. That was all the evidence DTV had. You think you're safe. It won't last. You'll get busted. You'll get sued for losses.
 
2012-09-03 09:50:44 AM  

mrlewish: Youtube = free music.

I don't buy anymore.


youtube is good for previewing new music, but it's a terrible substitute for an actual collection, digital or otherwise.
 
2012-09-03 09:51:22 AM  
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2012-09-03 10:00:59 AM  
Good luck, bald man.
 
2012-09-03 10:17:06 AM  

alienated: He does make a good point- why shouldnt he be able to give his stuff to his girls ? he paid for it....


No he did not
He paid for a license to listen to that music. He doesn't own it

Terms of service, how do they work????
 
2012-09-03 10:26:04 AM  

hinten: alienated: He does make a good point- why shouldnt he be able to give his stuff to his girls ? he paid for it....

Yes, he also paid for his leased car, so why can't he leave the car to his daughters?
Right or wrong but that is the contract he 'signed' and accepted. I totally understand the issue and I might disagree with the content provider but how come people always complain about things AFTER they sign off on the agreement?


Because when you lease a car the ad said "Lease this car for $500 per month"

When you get a song from iTunes it says "Buy this song for $1"

From the iTunes main page right now:
With iTunes in the Cloud, the music, apps, and books you purchase automatically appear on all your devices.
With iCloud, everything you've bought on iTunes
is now on every device you love.
Buy a song on one device and it automatically downloads to all your other devices
See a history of everything you've bought from iTunes and download past purchases on whichever device you choose.
Now it's easy to have the great things you buy from the iTunes Store on your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, Apple TV, and Mac or PC.


When they replace "buy" with "lease" or "rent" then you'd have a point.
 
2012-09-03 10:27:41 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No he did not
He paid for a license to listen to that music. He doesn't own it


Yes, that's the point.
 
2012-09-03 10:28:46 AM  
He's a hero. This is a legal issue needing resolution.

Imagine if they cam by after your death to impound your CDs, cassette tapes, LPs, and 8-tracks. Same diff except you got less for your money. No jewel case, no liner notes, no great art work.
 
2012-09-03 10:38:34 AM  

digistil: If you do a proper test, or read one of the bazillion out there online, you'll learn that lossless is a waste of time. That is, unless you have (loud)speakers worth six figures and a setup to drive them properly.


It's not entirely a waste of time. It is the only format which can be considered "future-proof."

However, you are right that most people cannot tell the difference between MP3s at V2 or 192 kbps versus CDDA or lossless.
 
2012-09-03 10:55:21 AM  
www.retro-cafe.com

hot, like the mix
 
2012-09-03 10:56:55 AM  

joshiz: We all swap a lot of music (all of us djs) but it's a bit different - when we play it out it is actually promo for the artists/labels.


This is only valid if the venue is paying ASCAP/BMI royalties. Even then, djs displace live music. So don't kid yourself into believing you're doing the music world a favor.
 
2012-09-03 11:04:32 AM  

foo monkey: You think you're safe. It won't last. You'll get busted. You'll get sued for losses.


When Canadian law changes, possibly.

Until then? No.

(also it won't be me getting busted. It will be this hotel whose wifi I am using. I don't think that's trackable yet)
 
2012-09-03 11:19:22 AM  

MacWizard: This is only valid if the venue is paying ASCAP/BMI royalties. Even then, djs displace live music. So don't kid yourself into believing you're doing the music world a favor.


Most clubs/bars do. BMI and ASCAP are relentless. That said, I'm also a member of BMI so don't kid yourself into thinking their sampling methods are accurate.

In addition, if you play non major label stuff, most of the tracks are not registered through either. Although my tracks are, most producers/label owners are lazy.
 
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