A) Pakistani authorities arrest Imam for planting burned Koran pages on Christian girl accused of blasphemy-causing the Imam's followers to demand the girl be punished for getting the Imam in trouble

B) American authorities arrest priest for covering up child molestation-causing the parishioners to demand the molestee be punished for getting the priest in trouble

But the second occurrence is totally implausible, right?

insertsnarkyusername: Mildot: Is it a bad thing to want to bring back Adolf Hitler and turn him loose on the Muslims?

Yes, ever gotten to know any american muslims?

Yes I have. The ones I know are misogynistic pieces of filth. Seriously.

RoyBatty: alienated: Happy Hours: Dude, she's a Christian! I'm surprised Fark's resident atheists aren't carrying torches and pitchforks

I dont know any atheists, but, from the ones I have seen, they dont seem the type to do such a thing.
Fundies however of any religion, well, thats a different story altogether, mate

Heh. Do some googling on elevatorgate and atheism+ (or atheismplus).

You can start here: http://www.google.com/search?q=atheism+schism

SPLITTERS!

When arrested he said "Imam in trouble?"

Once again the convoluted, cordscrewed turned inside-out mind of the islamics.

Meanwhile, Republicans are bragging about how God rewarded their prayers by destroying lives in Louisiana instead of Tampa.

Hey - isn't Obama a Muslim?

Scorpius.Raven: I want to see a dual world outlook in the future. A sort of agreement between nations.

You of the more nonsensical, old-world, hold everyone down mindset can keep your respective countries there. And you keep your ideas and influence there too.

The rest of the world can embrace a more enlightened and tolerant approach to thought, belief, and science, and move forward into the species future, and we'll agree to leave the rest of the crazies out of it.

Deal?

I would agree to this.

Scorpius.Raven: jshine: Scorpius.Raven: I want to see a dual world outlook in the future. A sort of agreement between nations.

You of the more nonsensical, old-world, hold everyone down mindset can keep your respective countries there. And you keep your ideas and influence there too.

The rest of the world can embrace a more enlightened and tolerant approach to thought, belief, and science, and move forward into the species future, and we'll agree to leave the rest of the crazies out of it.

Deal?

Only as long as people who (through no fault of their own) were born in to "World A" have the opportunity to freely move to "World B" and vise-versa.

Of course, goes without saying. Like the Matrix in the craptacular 3rd movie. Let the ones out that want out.

It wouldn't work. Promotion and conversion are central tenets of nearly all religions. They would never agree to leave the nonreligious alone.

Charlie Chingas: Imam in trouble?



/aisle seat (on the short bus), please

Its time we pour oil over Pakistan instead and burn it to the ground.

Scorpius.Raven: I want to see a dual world outlook in the future. A sort of agreement between nations.

You of the more nonsensical, old-world, hold everyone down mindset can keep your respective countries there. And you keep your ideas and influence there too.

The rest of the world can embrace a more enlightened and tolerant approach to thought, belief, and science, and move forward into the species future, and we'll agree to leave the rest of the crazies out of it.

Deal?

So you're saying Conservatives must secede and leave normal Americans alone.

I'm OK with this.

jaytkay: Meanwhile, Republicans are bragging about how God rewarded their prayers by destroying lives in Louisiana instead of Tampa.

I'm a Republican and I live in New Orleans. I don't think God had a goddamned thing to do with where the hurricane went. So shut your farking mouth.

TWX: It wouldn't work. Promotion and conversion are central tenets of nearly all religions. They would never agree to leave the nonreligious alone.



It wouldn't take too long before the religious side was so far regressed in science that they'd just view the "exploding ground" as "cursed" and keep their distance voluntarily.

TWX: Scorpius.Raven: jshine: Scorpius.Raven: I want to see a dual world outlook in the future. A sort of agreement between nations.

You of the more nonsensical, old-world, hold everyone down mindset can keep your respective countries there. And you keep your ideas and influence there too.

The rest of the world can embrace a more enlightened and tolerant approach to thought, belief, and science, and move forward into the species future, and we'll agree to leave the rest of the crazies out of it.

Deal?

Only as long as people who (through no fault of their own) were born in to "World A" have the opportunity to freely move to "World B" and vise-versa.

Of course, goes without saying. Like the Matrix in the craptacular 3rd movie. Let the ones out that want out.

It wouldn't work. Promotion and conversion are central tenets of nearly all religions. They would never agree to leave the nonreligious alone.

It's idealism, of course it won't work. The best case scenario in my approach is that people would agree that maybe we could live-and-let-live, and move our separate ways as reasonable people.

/fat chance
//we can dream...

radioshack: jaytkay: Meanwhile, Republicans are bragging about how God rewarded their prayers by destroying lives in Louisiana instead of Tampa.

I'm a Republican and I live in New Orleans. I don't think God had a goddamned thing to do with where the hurricane went. So shut your farking mouth.

Of course God controls hurricanes -- just like a drunk-driver controls her car:

Mildot
You know what, then they should be doing something to fix the fuked up country. They had a revolution that started all this BS, perhaps now is a good time to have a revolution to fix all this BS

They tried that a few years ago. The government hired foreigners to beat the shiat out of them.

Holy shiat, this is akin to American feminists who insist that men exonerated of rape charges should still be punished for "putting the alleged victim in a position where she had no other choice but to make a false rape claim."

This is what happens when you let predatory people take over.

insertsnarkyusername: Don't forget people, this is our close ally. They are totally different from the rest of the theocracies and deserve massive foreign aid.

Remember keep your friends close, your enemies closer. Pakistan is a mess, no one is completely in charge of anything.

If it were up to me I sentence the Imam's followers to Christianity. And the Imam to wear little girls clothing for the rest of his life.

jshine: insertsnarkyusername: Mildot: Is it a bad thing to want to bring back Adolf Hitler and turn him loose on the Muslims?

Yes, ever gotten to know any american muslims?

Plenty, and they have all seemed perfectly ok -- which makes it all the more surprising that there can be so many farktards who do this shiat in the name of Islam. Sure, it's not *everyone* -- probably a small minority who are extremists -- but reading TFA, it sounds like the behavior is at least tolerated among the locals.

Tolerated may be pushing it a bit, but I'm not sure what the right word would be. I have a lot of older southern relatives, and some of them have stories of staying indoors or otherwise doing their best to hide when the klan came riding through town. (and they did. Not just a parade, or secretive shuffling, flat out horses and hollering, grab your torches, on our way to a lynching stampede through town) It might only be 10-20% of the town, but it's the angriest, most willing to do violence 10 to 20%. Now those same relatives aren't exactly paragons of tolerance. They'd probably have been happier if 'those people's side of town was further away. Or not in town at all. But, and where I think it falls for probably more of the middle east than we tend to give credit, on religious grounds they ABSOLUTELY disagreed with the things the klan was doing. The violence, the lynchings, all that. Much as they didn't want to associate with or be around blacks, actually hurting them was still against the important rules. And yet they were outright afraid of the Klan and what would happen, not just if they said anything, but if they were seen in public and didn't grab a torch and join in. And this wasn't 100 years ago, wasn't much more than 50 years in some cases. I do think, in a strange way, those klan attacks did more to push that 'moderately racist' portion of the population to tolerance than all the talks and education and what not. Most of my relatives were set in their ways already, but over the years came to regret that at least. And having confronted that about themselves, and been forced to acknowledge that they're human beings enough that Thou Shalt Not Kill applies and all the rest of that, they raised the next generation a little more tolerant than they were raised. They didn't always do a great job of it, living with the remains of the prejudices they were raised with, but they tried even when they were visibly uncomfortable themselves.

FTA: "Pour petrol and burn these Christians,"

Ah, yes, the religion of peace strikes again.

Although with that said, I find it rather distasteful that a girl apparently in the 11-14yr range with mental issues/down syndrome is considered to be "Christian". Religion should be something you choose when you are able to choose it, not something chosen for you by (presumably in her case) your parents.

LowbrowDeluxe: Tolerated may be pushing it a bit, but I'm not sure what the right word would be. I have a lot of older southern relatives, and some of them have stories of staying indoors or otherwise doing their best to hide when the klan came riding through town. (and they did. Not just a parade, or secretive shuffling, flat out horses and hollering, grab your torches, on our way to a lynching stampede through town) It might only be 10-20% of the town, but it's the angriest, most willing to do violence 10 to 20%. Now those same relatives aren't exactly paragons of tolerance. They'd probably have been happier if 'those people's side of town was further away. Or not in town at all. But, and where I think it falls for probably more of the middle east than we tend to give credit, on religious grounds they ABSOLUTELY disagreed with the things the klan was doing. The violence, the lynchings, all that. Much as they didn't want to associate with or be around blacks, actually hurting them was still against the important rules. And yet they were outright afraid of the Klan and what would happen, not just if they said anything, but if they were seen in public and didn't grab a torch and join in. And this wasn't 100 years ago, wasn't much more than 50 years in some cases. I do think, in a strange way, those klan attacks did more to push that 'moderately racist' portion of the population to tolerance than all the talks and education and what not. Most of my relatives were set in their ways already, but over the years came to regret that at least. And having confronted that about themselves, and been forced to acknowledge that they're human beings enough that Thou Shalt Not Kill applies and all the rest of that, they raised the next generation a little more tolerant than they were raised. They didn't always do a great job of it, living with the remains of the prejudices they were raised with, but they tried even when they were visibly uncomfortable themselves.

If you're drawing a parallel between the description in TFA and the old American South (at a time when the Klan was a force to be reckoned with), then I wouldn't argue. Still not a pretty picture...

What the next 50 years will bring will be interesting (if a bit frightening) to watch.

Somehow, I am not surprised by this...

I got into a discussion with my brother over Islam one day... He's a (Lutheran) minister in an area of predominately arabic refugees where he lives, and he's also well informed when it comes to that branch of whacko...

They are allowed to lie, cheat, steal from, etc to and from any non muslim, because in their eyes, we aren't even human... A muslim man can have sex with a non muslim woman with no problems, but if a non muslim man has sex with a muslim woman, they both have to be put to death, among many other things like this...

Imagine it, if you will, what you do to a dog, when you act like you threw the ball, and he goes off running, thinking you threw it... It's fun and funny, because the dog isn't human, and therefore not punishable by anything for those acts... That is how they see non muslims...

And yes, I worry for him, because I have heard too many stories about their normal actions towards non muslim clergy...

What seems to be lost in all this is that the Imam apparently did tear pages from a Koran. Shouldn't that get him a good stoning? It's almost as if these people's outrage is motivated more by religious hatred than piety. Nah, couldn't be.

Frederick Douglass told in his Narrative how his condition as a slave became worse when his master underwent a religious conversion that allowed him to justify slavery as the punishment of the children of Ham. Mark Twain described his mother as a genuinely good person, whose soft heart pitied even Satan, but who had no doubt about the legitimacy of slavery, because in years of living in antebellum Missouri she had never heard any sermon opposing slavery, but only countless sermons preaching that slavery was God's will. With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.
Steven Weinberg "A Designer Universe?"

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Bondith: Mildot
You know what, then they should be doing something to fix the fuked up country. They had a revolution that started all this BS, perhaps now is a good time to have a revolution to fix all this BS

They tried that a few years ago. The government hired foreigners to beat the shiat out of them.

and because of that, we were able to find Bin Ladin.

They should learn a little Quran, especially Chapter 4 Surah Nisaa verse 135:

135 O ye who believe! Stand out firmly for justice as witnesses to Allah even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts) lest ye swerve and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do.

Or some Hadith:

Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 48 :: Hadith 822 Narrated Abu Bakra:
The Prophet said thrice, "Should I inform you out the greatest of the great sins?" They said, "Yes, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "To join others in worship with Allah and to be undutiful to one's parents." The Prophet then sat up after he had been reclining (on a pillow) and said, "And I warn you against giving a false witness, and he kept on saying that warning till we thought he would not stop.

Wait, so who burned the pieces of paper?

The Imam?

STONE HIM! STONE HIM TO DEATH!

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I doubt that graphic accurately represents the demographics in Pakistan.

Rosa Parks was a brave and important person who stood up against oppression. In Pakistan she would have her decapitated, charred body dragged through the streets.

If speaking out against fringe, but established Muslims is racist, then the 1.5 billion Muslims need to take care of their own. Murder, Death, Kill you self righteous hypocrites. Turning a blind eye is the same as endorsement.

knobmaker: You know who else gets caught doing horrible things, and then blames everyone who noticed?

Haven't we had a whole bunch of stories like this lately, except set in this country?

I'm not sure what you're driving at, no. Republitards? Democruds? Blacks or whatever minority group you don't like? Religious leaders?

I wanna know what axe we're grinding here so I can jump fully on board.

"Pour petrol and burn these Christians," said Iqbal Bibi, 74, defending the imam on the steps of the mosque where he preaches in Masih's impoverished village of Mehr Jaffer.

"The cleric of the mosque has been oppressed. He is not at fault. He is innocent."

Those fanatics are very nearly as violently insane as our fanatics (otherwise known as the Republican Party).

knobmaker: You know who else gets caught doing horrible things, and then blames everyone who noticed?

Haven't we had a whole bunch of stories like this lately, except set in this country?

Lindsay Lohan has nothing to do with this.