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(ESPN)   "Blade Runner" Oscar Pistorius loses 200m Paralympic race, complains that another competitor's artificial legs give an unfair advantage   (espn.go.com ) divider line 74
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2012-09-03 09:03:44 AM  
And Aylesbury is only about an hour outside London by rail or car and a commuter town.
 
2012-09-03 09:20:14 AM  
I guess we need three levels of olympics now. Special, standard, and enhanced. Special can potentially include enhanced, but if it's determined that your prosthetics, etc give you an advantage over a standard human, then it's to the Enhanced Olympics for you.

I'm pretty sure the enhanced would trump standard in popularity eventually anyway. Think about it, cybernetics, insane genetics (you know, like goat legs, chicken wings, whatever), hell I'll even allow open use of steroids and other drugs. Damn this is gonna be awesome!
 
2012-09-03 09:21:27 AM  

Caeldan: Part of the promotion for the Paralympics is that Buckinghamshire is the "birthplace" for them.


There's also that, the Brits created the whole thing. So there's a certain pride in having them now, which certainly helps.
 
2012-09-03 10:17:47 AM  
It sounds like sour grapes to me. But sour grapes can still make wine.

The formula that the BBC said they use from legs is, the legs have to be the same length or less of the arm span.

The reason birds and other fast animals run faster than humans (other than muscle to weight ratio) is because their femurs are SHORTER than their lower leg. It allows the leg to move faster along with being more efficient.

So, if your arms are longer than you are tall (which happens, since humans are not machines. Biology, how does it work?) you can get longer legs than you would have naturally. That would be cheating, or at least unfair.

Still sounds like sour bitter grapes.
 
2012-09-03 10:30:54 AM  
Maybe do like NASCAR and run technical inspections before and after. Impound that rig!
 
2012-09-03 10:36:38 AM  

elguerodiablo: Great thread. I laughed a lot. Does anyone thats been following the games knkw when the Downs Syndrome boxing starts?


Group potato starts at potato:45.
 
2012-09-03 11:14:01 AM  

TheManofPA: There is a turtle on the track. He's fallen on his back. Your lead in the 200 meters is about 10 meters at the halfway point. You have time to help, but you don't stop. You are trying to win the gold. Why aren't you helping?


Lol
 
2012-09-03 11:15:01 AM  
Pistorius lost, fair and square from what I saw in the video. The Brazilian ran extremely well in the second half of the race.
 
2012-09-03 11:46:42 AM  
To be fair, Pistorius has apologised for his comments.
 
2012-09-03 11:58:28 AM  
Why do you think the cops always tackle the bad guy from behind in the movies? It's easier to do the chasing than the leading.
 
2012-09-03 11:59:53 AM  
T-43? T-44?

Bah. I'd like to see those guys take on a T-101 or T-1000.
 
2012-09-03 12:28:55 PM  

ukexpat: To be fair, Pistorius has apologised for his comments.


That's good to hear. I'm well aware from personal experience that you can sound like a complete farking asshole without actually being one, but the words that got quoted were supremely dickish.

And the thing is, he's not Charles Barkley. He does have to be a role model, if he's going to be worth anything to anybody. This whole thing is a self-inflicted wound on that front, unfortunately. Even if he's completely vindicated by the judges, it's going to hurt his reputation more than a loss would have.
 
2012-09-03 12:29:43 PM  
Pistorious ran the first 100 really fast and was coasting at the finish line when he got passed. The Brazilian looked tentative in the turn but turned on the afterburner and never let up once they were all on the straight part of the track. If Pistorious had ran instead of dogging it the last few strides he would have won.
 
2012-09-03 12:36:44 PM  

Cymbals of the Illiterati: My take: Yes, Oliveira's legs are perhaps a bit longer than they might otherwise be, but he's operating within the same rules and formulas as Pistorius. And they're not really unnaturally long when you think about it. The only reason the picture in the article makes him look unnaturally tall is that we expect to see a guy standing flat-footed. But that's not how sprinters run, and those blades weren't designed for standing around. Imagine Oliveira is up on his tip-toes, and suddenly his height seems perfectly fine.

But the thing that really stands out to me is how much faster Oliveira's stride rate is over the last 100 meters than Pistorius'. Without calf muscles to generate propulsion, Pistorius' longer, slower stride loses a lot of its efficiency. But there's a trade-off--not having lower legs means you can increase your turnover immensely. Since the carbon blades generate very little inertia, an amputee is essentially swinging a significantly shortened pendulum. Anyone who's ever used a metronome knows that shortening a pendulum makes it swing faster. Let's assume that a below-the-knee amputation removes the lower 1/3 of the leg, and let's say that that effectively moves the pendulum's center of mass 1/4 of the way closer to the fulcrum (since most of the weight is in the upper leg). By my (rough) calculations, that should result in a 15% increase in leg-speed--and that's about what we're seeing from Oliveira. He's taking well over 200 steps per minute--maybe even in the range of 220+ steps per minute--to the 185-195 of Pistorius and the rest of the field. Pistorius should be paying attention to Oliveira's mechanics rather than complaining about how tall he is, because Oliveira's onto something here. And he's leaving everyone else in his dust. 

/Caveat: I'm not a physicist. The pendulum-shortening effect may not be quite as pronounced as I estimated, but it's definitely still in play here.


It would be interesting to see how these athletes would perform if they had to have a natural weight distribution down the length of the prosthetic.

AppleOptionEsc: So, if your arms are longer than you are tall (which happens, since humans are not machines. Biology, how does it work?) you can get longer legs than you would have naturally. That would be cheating, or at least unfair.


Makes sense. A quick googling shows that up to an ~8" differential between wingspan and height isn't really out of the question.
 
2012-09-03 12:42:08 PM  

ukexpat: To be fair, Pistorius has apologised for his comments.


He apologized for the "timing" of his comments.
 
2012-09-03 12:47:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Caeldan: Part of the promotion for the Paralympics is that Buckinghamshire is the "birthplace" for them.

There's also that, the Brits created the whole thing. So there's a certain pride in having them now, which certainly helps.


Channel 4 (the 3rd biggest network on British tv) have been promoting the crap out of the Paralympics and have it running from ten in the morning to eleven at night, plus online and two more channels to show other things.

This has been shown every ad break

He might of had a point if Pistorius haden't run 4 secs slower than his qualifying time. Pistorius lost because he ran out of puff, not because the other guy cheated.
 
2012-09-03 12:48:42 PM  
It's an inspirational sight to see a man, born without legs, master the art of putting his foot in his mouth.
 
2012-09-03 12:55:55 PM  

Freak: Oliveira won in 21.45 seconds after overtaking Pistorius at the line at Olympic Stadium in front of a capacity 80,000-strong crowd.

This part caught me by surprise. I had no idea the paralympics were that popular. I know they definitely don't get the same wall to wall TV coverage. Are all the events well attended or just the track and field?


It's like how the Brits stepped up and hosted the Olympics: they've just done a damn good job of supporting both Games. The organizing committee should get gold medals for how they've done because they're clearly setting a very high standard for future Olympics and Paralympics.
 
2012-09-03 01:18:33 PM  

desertgeek: Paralympics.


And given how the US handled those the last two times they were here, it'll be a while til the US gets the Olympics again.
 
2012-09-03 02:39:36 PM  

SpikeStrip: "We've tried to address the issue with them in the weeks up to this and it's just been falling on deaf ears."

it's the paralympics, what'd you expect?


Done in 1. That was an unintentionally hilarious quote
 
2012-09-03 02:56:30 PM  

Freak: Oliveira won in 21.45 seconds after overtaking Pistorius at the line at Olympic Stadium in front of a capacity 80,000-strong crowd.

This part caught me by surprise. I had no idea the paralympics were that popular. I know they definitely don't get the same wall to wall TV coverage. Are all the events well attended or just the track and field?


I really wish they did show it on tv like the regular Olympics. These athletes are way more inspiring to me
 
2012-09-03 04:31:10 PM  
So the guy gave himself the advantage of Usain bolt, longer legs=fewer strides.

Maybe if I cut off my legs, get 100m prostetics, one stride and I win!
 
2012-09-03 08:46:57 PM  

generaltimmy: So the guy gave himself the advantage of Usain bolt, longer legs=fewer strides.

Maybe if I cut off my legs, get 100m prostetics, one stride and I win!


The Brazilian had the same number of strides in the straight as pistorious. He just spent less time per stride.
Pistorious has a classuc style for somebody who is running with flesh and blood lower legs. The other dude uses a different superior style of running on blades. Pristorious lifts his blades way off the ground in the stretch The Brazillian s blades stay lowerwith less wasted effort. He did almost 22 strides in the same time it took pristorious to do 20 strides even though their strides are essentially the same length.

Having said that, he could learn much from Pristorious about getting out of the blocks and running in the turn. Dude cant start or lean in the turn for shiat. Hell some of the guys in the classes with one leg missing below the hip have getter starts and they silly walk the first couple of strides before theor prosthetic can swing into an actual running motion. But he is just plain doing more strides per second than Pristorious in the straight part of the 200.

If the Brazillian learns to get out of the blocks Pristorious will be his biatch in the 100 meter dash for T44 too. No turns in the 100 but if you cant get out of the blocks you are done in the bladerunner classes..
 
2012-09-04 02:05:21 PM  
What a farking loser. he can't even beat a cripple.
 
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