If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(ESPN)   "Blade Runner" Oscar Pistorius loses 200m Paralympic race, complains that another competitor's artificial legs give an unfair advantage   (espn.go.com) divider line 74
    More: Ironic, Oscar Pistorius, overtaking, legs  
•       •       •

2794 clicks; posted to Sports » on 03 Sep 2012 at 1:56 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



74 Comments   (+0 »)
   
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-09-02 11:07:56 PM
"We've tried to address the issue with them in the weeks up to this and it's just been falling on deaf ears."

it's the paralympics, what'd you expect?
 
2012-09-02 11:38:57 PM
In other words, he's totally stumped as to why he lost.

/Try the waitress, tip the veal
 
2012-09-03 12:03:43 AM
There is a turtle on the track. He's fallen on his back. Your lead in the 200 meters is about 10 meters at the halfway point. You have time to help, but you don't stop. You are trying to win the gold. Why aren't you helping?
 
2012-09-03 12:16:12 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: In other words, he's totally stumped as to why he lost.


Exactly, but he should take it in stride.
 
2012-09-03 12:34:26 AM
Wait wait wait, he's running in both? Okay, I'm just going to assume that that policy has been carefully thought through.

And it's not like he's necessarily wrong. If your divot tool is the wrong alloy of bronze, they take away your green jacket at the Masters, and that's just the way it is. So let them get out the micrometer and measure the other guy's blades. But Oscar, buddy, this is not what you want to be saying in front of a camera:

"He's never run a 21-second race and I don't think he's a 21-second athlete," Pistorius said. "I've never lost a 200-meter race in my career."

Oh, well, case closed then, asshole.
 
2012-09-03 12:40:44 AM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: In other words, he's totally stumped as to why he lost.


I
www.vanleestantiek.com
what
you
did
there
 
2012-09-03 01:28:16 AM
Unlike Pistorius's, this guy's blades must give an unfair advantage. I mean, otherwise we'd have to believe that the two greatest sprinters in history were both born without lower legs, and that seems unlikely.
 
2012-09-03 01:39:21 AM
He really needs to work those calf muscles if he wants to win any races.

a.espncdn.com
 
2012-09-03 02:01:24 AM
Pistorius said. "I've never lost a 200-meter race in my career."

Yeah you have. Try to deal with it a little better.
 
2012-09-03 02:12:29 AM
For those who want to see the race itself, here you go.

As for Pistorius' complaints, he comes off as whiny and like he thinks he's entitled since he's shown he can be competitive with able-bodied runners.

But if you watch the race, the Brazilian was well back at 100m and just came out of nowhere to win it. I don't know if Pistorius let up any (I've officially seen him run 5 times now and the 1st 4 were at the start of August and were 400m so I have nothing to work with) but it was still weird.

semiotix: Wait wait wait, he's running in both? Okay, I'm just going to assume that that policy has been carefully thought through.


I remember reading about all the fighting he had to do to be allowed to run in meets with able-bodied runners. Eventually, the Court for Arbitration in Sport ruled that he should be allowed to run, but he only does the 400m in regular meets. He does 100, 200 and 400m races in Paralympic style meets.
 
2012-09-03 02:24:33 AM
Wow... I thought the Fark headline was a joke...
 
2012-09-03 02:25:55 AM
In the article they say they use a formula to determine max blade length. I'd say they need to look at that formula again. Look how much blade there is below his knees. The guy looks like he's on stilts.

Still, good for him. I'll never knock a competitor for taking full advantage of the rules.
 
2012-09-03 02:33:50 AM
To be fair, Usain Bolt is taller and has longer legs than the runners he competes against. He literally finishes the 100 with 2 to 3 fewer steps than his opponents.

Now look at this guy
a.espncdn.com
see where his knees are? I'm not going to say that there is *no* chance that his legs were as long as his prosthetics, but it's highly unlikely.
So yeah, Pistorius may sound like a bitter loser, but he was correct in that Oliveira seemed to have an unfair advantage with the length of his prosthetics.
 
2012-09-03 02:34:57 AM

rustybender: . Look how much blade there is below his knees


It would be a nice argument except there was another runner in the race with legs that looked just as long, and he didn't have the same performance. Part of the issue is appearances, the runners with the seemingly much longer legs have a lot less leg below the knee than Pistorius does.
 
2012-09-03 02:36:36 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: but he was correct in that Oliveira seemed to have an unfair advantage with the length of his prosthetics.


Blake Leeper in lane 5 has legs that look just as long. And there's no talk of him having an unfair advantage.
 
2012-09-03 02:56:13 AM
so he can race in both the olympics and paralympics? how the hell does that work? youre not crippled enough for the real thing, but just enough for the paras?

and next time around i really hope they dq him from any non-para competition for exactly this reason
 
2012-09-03 02:58:59 AM
Oh, this is the height of just-too-muchery.
 
2012-09-03 03:01:47 AM
And, you know what? For all of the people that said this was a good story in the Olympics... is anyone beginning to question themselves? Not only was his team GIVEN a slot in the 4x400 Finals (they wouldn't have qualified), but now he's complaining that another competitor has the SAME UNNATURAL DEVICE, but somehow "tweaked" to a slightly greater extent.

Frankly, it seems like this guy is kind-of a self-entitled douche.
 
2012-09-03 03:02:56 AM

thisiszombocom: so he can race in both the olympics and paralympics? how the hell does that work? youre not crippled enough for the real thing, but just enough for the paras?

and next time around i really hope they dq him from any non-para competition for exactly this reason


Read this

And the BBC is now saying that Pistorius is apologizing for the timing of his comments about the Brazilian.
 
2012-09-03 03:03:28 AM

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: To be fair, Usain Bolt is taller and has longer legs than the runners he competes against. He literally finishes the 100 with 2 to 3 fewer steps than his opponents.

Now look at this guy
[a.espncdn.com image 200x300]
see where his knees are? I'm not going to say that there is *no* chance that his legs were as long as his prosthetics, but it's highly unlikely.
So yeah, Pistorius may sound like a bitter loser, but he was correct in that Oliveira seemed to have an unfair advantage with the length of his prosthetics.


Yeah, but

"There is a rule in place regarding the length of the blades, which is determined by a formula based on the height and dynamics of the athlete," the IPC said in a statement. "All athletes were measured today prior to competition by a classifier and all were approved for competition."


I agree he looks taller than he would be with actual legs, but I don't know if the rule has to do with that. If it seems pretty obvious to me - a non-unning, non-fan of running - from one pic, it would have to be pretty blatant to the other athletes, but apparently no one said anything before the start.
 
2012-09-03 03:05:59 AM

thisiszombocom: so he can race in both the olympics and paralympics? how the hell does that work? youre not crippled enough for the real thing, but just enough for the paras?


Pistoriusis not the first athlete to compete in both and wasn't the only one to compete in both this year.

puffy999: Not only was his team GIVEN a slot in the 4x400 Finals (they wouldn't have qualified)


That had nothing to do with Pistorius, they were give a slot in the final because one of their runners was cut off during the semi-final.
 
2012-09-03 03:11:26 AM

WhyteRaven74: That had nothing to do with Pistorius, they were give a slot in the final because one of their runners was cut off during the semi-final.


Is that honestly a standard Olympic policy? I thought "too bad, so sad," was the standard when another competitor knocks a team out, particularly a team that was not going to advance to the next round.
 
2012-09-03 03:12:37 AM

WhyteRaven74:
puffy999: Not only was his team GIVEN a slot in the 4x400 Finals (they wouldn't have qualified)

That had nothing to do with Pistorius, they were give a slot in the final because one of their runners was cut off during the semi-final.


And I believe that guy was knocked down too because I don't think Pistorius even got to run.

/And I just discovered that the IOC has all the world feed broadcasts on their Youtube page now
//channel name is "olympic"
///Fark you NBC
 
2012-09-03 03:13:14 AM

puffy999: Is that honestly a standard Olympic policy? I t


It's a standard rule of track and field, you move over and cut someone off, even if you don't bring them to the ground as happened with South Africa's runner, you're going to be looking at a DQ and if it's an early round, whoever you interfered with can get moved to the next round.
 
2012-09-03 03:14:05 AM

puffy999: WhyteRaven74: That had nothing to do with Pistorius, they were give a slot in the final because one of their runners was cut off during the semi-final.

Is that honestly a standard Olympic policy? I thought "too bad, so sad," was the standard when another competitor knocks a team out, particularly a team that was not going to advance to the next round.


The sports themselves are run by the organization that oversees that sport. In the case of track, IAAF rules state that judges can DQ a runner/team for interfering with another runner.
 
2012-09-03 03:16:07 AM

WhyteRaven74: It's a standard rule of track and field, you move over and cut someone off, even if you don't bring them to the ground as happened with South Africa's runner, you're going to be looking at a DQ and if it's an early round, whoever you interfered with can get moved to the next round.


The DQ I knew about. Kind of amazing to see automatic advancement given, regardless of talent or placement in the race or team best times or any of that. It's one thing if the anchor is rounding turn 4 and is knocked out by a wayward competitor...
 
2012-09-03 03:16:12 AM

desertgeek: And I believe that guy was knocked down too because I don't think Pistorius even got to run.


Yep, Pistorius was running the last leg of the relay, and he never even got the baton. I remember seeing it, and I just knew there was going to be a disqualification for the runner that moved over and cut off the South African runner.

desertgeek: /And I just discovered that the IOC has all the world feed broadcasts on their Youtube page now


I've been watching that, and the feeds at paralympic.org and the paralympicsport.tv channel on youtube since the games started. You can see the full opening ceremony at the youtube chanel, just look through the videos which are in chronological order so just get to where the videos from Wednesday are.
 
2012-09-03 03:17:07 AM
Of course, my question still is, is automatic advancement the normal practice? Or is it a practice that's up to the discretion of those who are running the event? That's kind-of what I was trying to hint at...
 
2012-09-03 03:23:59 AM

puffy999: Kind of amazing to see automatic advancement given,


Well it was the semi-final and South Africa argued that because of the interference they never had a chance to qualify. The track officials having an extra lane to give, felt there was merit in the argument and gave them the birth.
 
2012-09-03 03:27:39 AM

puffy999: Or is it a practice that's up to the discretion of those who are running the event?


It's up to the discretion of the people running the event. But it's hardly an unheard of remedy.

apaster16: This is kind of funny to me. kinda seems like hes biatching... plus if he competes in the regular olympics then you should not be able to compete in the paralympics.... should be one or the other...


What about the other athletes, granted there's only been two of them, who've been in both? Unlike Pistorius they weren't relying on prosthetics so that isn't even an issue with them.
 
2012-09-03 03:28:28 AM

Lionel Mandrake: I agree he looks taller than he would be with actual legs, but I don't know if the rule has to do with that. If it seems pretty obvious to me - a non-unning, non-fan of running - from one pic, it would have to be pretty blatant to the other athletes, but apparently no one said anything before the start.


not saying he did or didn't have an advantage, just that it seems like he did. It could be an advantage, it could be sour grapes.
 
2012-09-03 03:59:55 AM

apaster16: that would mean that someone who is " normal" wouldnt be allowd to compete as much as the disabled athletes...


Well the athletes in the Paralympics don't get as many competitions in their own sports as their Olympic counterparts get in their own sports. In the case of track athletes the ones who go to the Olympics might compete in 14 or 15 track meets in a year, their Paralympic counterparts don't get that opportunity. Also there are sports at the Olympics that do involve people who aren't disabled, in both track and cycling the events for the visually impaired involve non-disabled athletes, in the case of the track events they are guides running next to the impaired competitor often with both holding on to a tether that loops over their hands that are nearest each other, so the sighted runner can give a little tug if they start to drift to the side. And in cycling the non-disabled athlete sits in the front seat of a tandem bike in a position known as a pilot. And nothing in the rules says an Olympic track athlete couldn't be a guide for a visually disabled Paralympic track athlete or that an Olympic cyclist couldn't serve as pilot for a visually impaired cyclist.
 
2012-09-03 04:18:38 AM

apaster16: I still think that if you compete in one you should not be allowed in the other. that would mean that someone who is " normal" wouldnt be allowd to compete as much as the disabled athletes...


They can run alongside Pistorious if they want - you only need to lose half a leg below the knee to be in the T44 classification. And, bonus, if everyone biatching about it is right - you'll be faster than you were with two legs!
 
2012-09-03 04:34:32 AM
In the paralympics, you should not be allowed to use ANY prosthetic. Same for the olympics.

And there should be no drug testing. The situation we have now is he who cheats best wins.
 
2012-09-03 04:39:56 AM
My take: Yes, Oliveira's legs are perhaps a bit longer than they might otherwise be, but he's operating within the same rules and formulas as Pistorius. And they're not really unnaturally long when you think about it. The only reason the picture in the article makes him look unnaturally tall is that we expect to see a guy standing flat-footed. But that's not how sprinters run, and those blades weren't designed for standing around. Imagine Oliveira is up on his tip-toes, and suddenly his height seems perfectly fine.

But the thing that really stands out to me is how much faster Oliveira's stride rate is over the last 100 meters than Pistorius'. Without calf muscles to generate propulsion, Pistorius' longer, slower stride loses a lot of its efficiency. But there's a trade-off--not having lower legs means you can increase your turnover immensely. Since the carbon blades generate very little inertia, an amputee is essentially swinging a significantly shortened pendulum. Anyone who's ever used a metronome knows that shortening a pendulum makes it swing faster. Let's assume that a below-the-knee amputation removes the lower 1/3 of the leg, and let's say that that effectively moves the pendulum's center of mass 1/4 of the way closer to the fulcrum (since most of the weight is in the upper leg). By my (rough) calculations, that should result in a 15% increase in leg-speed--and that's about what we're seeing from Oliveira. He's taking well over 200 steps per minute--maybe even in the range of 220+ steps per minute--to the 185-195 of Pistorius and the rest of the field. Pistorius should be paying attention to Oliveira's mechanics rather than complaining about how tall he is, because Oliveira's onto something here. And he's leaving everyone else in his dust. 

/Caveat: I'm not a physicist. The pendulum-shortening effect may not be quite as pronounced as I estimated, but it's definitely still in play here.
 
2012-09-03 04:56:20 AM
HA HA HA, OH WOW.
 
mjg
2012-09-03 05:09:09 AM
2.bp.blogspot.com

Steve would have demolished the field ol school.
 
2012-09-03 05:23:38 AM
Oliveira won in 21.45 seconds after overtaking Pistorius at the line at Olympic Stadium in front of a capacity 80,000-strong crowd.

This part caught me by surprise. I had no idea the paralympics were that popular. I know they definitely don't get the same wall to wall TV coverage. Are all the events well attended or just the track and field?
 
2012-09-03 05:44:59 AM
Every ticket for every event is nearly sold out. The Velodrome had higher attendance than the Olympics themselves
 
2012-09-03 05:45:20 AM
Great thread. I laughed a lot. Does anyone thats been following the games knkw when the Downs Syndrome boxing starts?
 
2012-09-03 05:53:43 AM
www.wearysloth.com
OSCAR!
 
2012-09-03 05:58:38 AM

desertgeek: As for Pistorius' complaints, he comes off as whiny and like he thinks he's entitled since he's shown he can be competitive with able-bodied runners.


Totally agree. Regardless of what happened in this race, he has always sounded like an entitled prick to me.

And what is an Olympic athlete doing competing in the Paralympics? Shouldn't it be one or the other? This guy is starting to be like Eric Cartman.
 
2012-09-03 06:13:27 AM

TheManofPA: There is a turtle on the track. He's fallen on his back. Your lead in the 200 meters is about 10 meters at the halfway point. You have time to help, but you don't stop. You are trying to win the gold. Why aren't you helping?


My Mother? Let me tell you about my mother.

/*bang*
 
2012-09-03 06:24:31 AM

Freak: Are all the events well attended or just the track and field?


They're all well attended, they had 4 days of competition at the velodrome, two sessions a day, all of them were sold out. I'm watching swimming right now, and if it's not sold out, it's damn close. And it's been that way since the start. And the Brits promoted the Paralympics very heavily, so they're very well attended. And outside of the US they're getting good TV coverage. In some countries the coverage isn't much less from what the Olympics get.
 
2012-09-03 06:27:29 AM
And if anyone is wondering, the US is tied for fifth for total medals and is sixth for gold medals.
 
2012-09-03 07:01:15 AM

puffy999: Of course, my question still is, is automatic advancement the normal practice? Or is it a practice that's up to the discretion of those who are running the event? That's kind-of what I was trying to hint at...


It is up to discretion. In my humble opinion, RSA caught a pretty big break with the advancement.

/really wanted to see Kenya and Jamica in the finals.
 
2012-09-03 07:29:03 AM

SpikeStrip: "We've tried to address the issue with them in the weeks up to this and it's just been falling on deaf ears."

it's the paralympics, what'd you expect?


You're a bad person, and you owe me a new keyboard.
 
2012-09-03 07:52:24 AM
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhäuser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.
 
2012-09-03 08:36:52 AM
He is just a sore loser. The time he ran in his semi would have won him the gold. He just ran a slower race and lost.
 
2012-09-03 09:01:59 AM

WhyteRaven74: Freak: Are all the events well attended or just the track and field?

They're all well attended, they had 4 days of competition at the velodrome, two sessions a day, all of them were sold out. I'm watching swimming right now, and if it's not sold out, it's damn close. And it's been that way since the start. And the Brits promoted the Paralympics very heavily, so they're very well attended. And outside of the US they're getting good TV coverage. In some countries the coverage isn't much less from what the Olympics get.


Part of the promotion for the Paralympics is that Buckinghamshire is the "birthplace" for them.

They have a paralympic training facility there in Aylesbury (Stoke Mandeville), the Guttman Centre.
 
Displayed 50 of 74 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | » | Last | Show all

View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report