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(Fox News)   After finally figuring out that cowering in a corner does very little to stop a bullet, school administrators and police in Alabama are now training teachers and students to actively fight back against a school shooter   (foxnews.com) divider line 30
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2012-09-02 07:47:12 PM  
3 votes:
Sighs, it's what i've been saying for years, arm the teachers, school security armed, and why not arm the students if they pass a background check? At least you would be able to defend yourself and not just lay there waiting to get shot like a cowering dog. My daughter is in college, and you better believe that I bought her a glock 21 that she carries in her oversized purse to every class. She has the constitutional right to bear arms, and I want to make sure she makes it through 4 years of college without becoming a statistic. And yes..i made her take the gun safety classes. She's actually a pretty good shot.
2012-09-02 07:32:47 PM  
3 votes:

OgreMagi: How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets


I always respect a teacher with a mounted .50 on their desk.
2012-09-02 08:06:02 PM  
2 votes:

GAT_00: Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.


Where in the article did anyone suggest "more guns" as a solution? Or did you just use some "democrat logic" and make shiat up to conform to your presumptive biases?
2012-09-02 07:56:05 PM  
2 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs, it's what i've been saying for years, arm the teachers, school security armed, and why not arm the students if they pass a background check? At least you would be able to defend yourself and not just lay there waiting to get shot like a cowering dog. My daughter is in college, and you better believe that I bought her a glock 21 that she carries in her oversized purse to every class. She has the constitutional right to bear arms, and I want to make sure she makes it through 4 years of college without becoming a statistic. And yes..i made her take the gun safety classes. She's actually a pretty good shot.


Your daughter does understand, I hope, that the gun will do her no good at all if her purse is under her desk and buried under the 75 other items that a girl normally carries in her purse. And that if she can't put her hand on the gun immediately, rummaging around under a stack of crap to find her trusty gun will only get her shot sooner because the shooter will realize she's digging for a weapon?

This is my biggest complaint about people who CCW for protection and brag that they're really good shots. If the gun isn't where you can immediately lay your hands on it when you need it--and inside a purse on the floor in a classroom or lecture hall is not such a location--you might as well not have a weapon at all. If your child is in such a high-risk school, she should have her gun in a shoulder holster at all times. And I mean that in utmost seriousness. Otherwise, it's just a mental crutch that will only encourage her to have a complacent state of mind: "I'm safe, because I have a gun." Unless it's in your hand, no, you don't have a gun.
2012-09-02 07:55:41 PM  
2 votes:
Speaking as a pansy-ass liberal, I think that phys ed class should be a self defense class.
2012-09-02 07:52:07 PM  
2 votes:
Fun fact: Most of the victims of the Columbine shooting were in a library on the second floor, which happened to face a hill at the back, so a quick run down the hall would have placed them on a level with the hill and enabled them to jump to safety. The shooters were on that floor but hadn't gotten to the library yet.

But...the kids and the teachers stayed put because the police dispatcher, relying on a routine that had been in place for barricaded shooters and not for an active-shooter scenario, told them to stay in the library till the cops got there.

What needs to happen is NOT arming teachers and students, but changing the mindset of people (police, first responders and school officials alike) so that in a situation like this, the teacher on the phone to the dispatcher can give an accurate description of their location and say "You know, we can still make a break for the back hallway--tell the cops we're coming out that door."
2012-09-02 07:49:58 PM  
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: bojon: This has to be taught??

Yes.


/Yes, because our nation has become not only sue happy, but a nation of pansy ass liberals, who would rather try to talk to the physco trying to kill them, rather then just light his crazy ass up like he deserves. Teach your children respect for everyone, and not to start shiat, but also teach them how to defend themselves if someone else missed respect people 101.
2012-09-02 07:45:39 PM  
2 votes:
This idea of Alabama's is so good that I now have to go outside to see if the sky is on fire and the armies of good and evil are meeting for the final battle.

Seriously, we should teach this in every school in the country. Take a lesson from flight 93.
2012-09-02 05:17:38 PM  
2 votes:
It's probably a better idea than cowering, but I doubt this practice will last long.
2012-09-02 03:51:33 PM  
2 votes:
This has to be taught??
2012-09-03 12:46:52 AM  
1 votes:

Gdalescrboz: GAT_00

Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.

GAT, your slow fall from grace over the years has been painful. People, myself included, use to actually communicate with you. These days, everytime I see one of your post I immediately know, before even reading it, that the internet has been saturated with yet another opinion that could only have come from one fo the dumbest mother farkers alive and that by reading it, I will have done as much damage to my brain as a night of heavy binge drinking....but read I always do. You are like Kim Kardashian. Everytime i come across her on TV i stop for just one instant to see what dumb shiat she is going to say. I then take a few moments of silence to wheep for humanity and move on


You know why I never write things out anymore? I took the time to actually write out a long post with depth to it beyond the one line comment here with a lot more detail to my thinking than I usually put in here. Know why I don't do that all the time? Because apparently nobody read it. What's the point in writing stuff out if nobody reads it? The short stuff people read and yell at you for, so at least you have an actual discussion, a conversation. Nobody cares if you actually put thought into it.

So, in other words, if my comments aren't as good as they used to be, I have only adjusted to match what you all seem to want. I'm not going to waste my time writing treatises that nobody reads.

Of course, I doubt you'll come back and read this.
2012-09-02 10:45:59 PM  
1 votes:

2wolves: I know I'm old compare to most Farkers. That's ok.

When I was in junior high and high school I (and others) brought our long guns to the vice principal's office in the morning so we could at the end of the school day jump off the bus a couple of stops early to hunt our way home. A couple of rabbits, a pheasant, brace of squirrel, even a buck made a big difference. It wasn't a big deal. If Jimmy Smith lost a toe because he was a dumb fark everyone else took the lesson to heart and kept the safety on.

Anyone who grabbed for their firearm and not their fists was considered a loon, a loser, a wimp.


Well sure, but we went to school in the Olden Days, when you actually got punished by the vice-principal for misbehavior. I used to carry a Swiss Army knife on my beltloop or a box knife in my pocket, because I was in theater class and always needed a knife handy (cutting gaffers' tape, etc.). I knew guys who carried Buck knives on their belts openly in class and nobody even cared. We were all more afraid of getting hauled into the vice-principal's office than of showing off our weaponry to our classmates.
2012-09-02 09:49:09 PM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: JWideman: I think I read that in Israel, the school teachers are armed. I'm not sure if that's a standard thing or if it's just individual choice, but I do know that at least one teacher stopped a terrorist from killing kids. My point is, arming and training the teachers sounds like a really good idea. However, what the hell are unarmed children going to do? I mean, besides providing a target rich environment.

In Israel, virtually all of the adults have training due to mandatory military service, so it wouldn't exactly translate to the US well.


That's why I said train the teachers, not just arm them. But they'd have to get paid a hell of a lot more and paying teachers what they're worth is socialism or something.
2012-09-02 09:20:01 PM  
1 votes:
I know I'm old compare to most Farkers. That's ok.

When I was in junior high and high school I (and others) brought our long guns to the vice principal's office in the morning so we could at the end of the school day jump off the bus a couple of stops early to hunt our way home. A couple of rabbits, a pheasant, brace of squirrel, even a buck made a big difference. It wasn't a big deal. If Jimmy Smith lost a toe because he was a dumb fark everyone else took the lesson to heart and kept the safety on.

Anyone who grabbed for their firearm and not their fists was considered a loon, a loser, a wimp.
2012-09-02 08:23:50 PM  
1 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: GAT_00: Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.

Where in the article did anyone suggest "more guns" as a solution? Or did you just use some "democrat logic" and make shiat up to conform to your presumptive biases?


That dude must buy his derp by the case the way he sloshes it about on these threads.

Btw... an extremely effective, non-lethal item that serves a dual purpose and fits right into a classroom is a high pressure chemical fire extinguisher. Much more effective than throwing random objects in close quarters like they tend to teach these days. Every teacher should have one in their desk.
2012-09-02 08:15:53 PM  
1 votes:
(1) Guns have to be reloaded.
(2) Guns take time to fire.
(3) Guns have an effective range. Inside that range, the guy might as well just be holding a rock.

It's definitely worth mobbing the attacker if you can get people to do it. I mean, let's even try to think up a social animal where, if a predator gets into its den, all the animals will try to hide in a corner. Nope, they go for the attack. Evolution has figured out the right survival strategy. . . we should tip our hats and use it.
2012-09-02 08:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: What needs to happen is NOT arming teachers and students, but changing the mindset of people (police, first responders and school officials alike) so that in a situation like this, the teacher on the phone to the dispatcher can give an accurate description of their location and say "You know, we can still make a break for the back hallway--tell the cops we're coming out that door."


Agreed. In a random shooter situation - those who will survive will be the ones who runs - not takes cover and stays put. And these situations happen so quickly - someone having a gun would have little chance to respond.

/saying that - banning guns on campus makes little real sense
2012-09-02 07:56:07 PM  
1 votes:

propasaurus: LoneWolf343: It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.

Unless the game is "how many of you can I take down with me?"


The game is usually already something like "How many of you can I slaughter without you coming after me?" - might as well make it more of a challenge.
2012-09-02 07:54:30 PM  
1 votes:
I suggest a shotgun in every principal's office.
2012-09-02 07:49:31 PM  
1 votes:
Going from a society where people stood up and faced danger to a society where people expect someone else to get their hands dirty for them, it is sad things like this are needed.
2012-09-02 07:46:04 PM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.


Unless the game is "how many of you can I take down with me?"
2012-09-02 07:44:50 PM  
1 votes:

INeedAName: Bathia_Mapes: I don't think this is something that should be encouraged, but in the case of Kip Kinkel, it was students who restrained him until the authorities could arrive. However, there are just too many things that could go wrong to encourage the teachers & students to fight back.

I think it's great if people are willing to fight back, but 'teaching' it is something that will not end well. We as a society are not fighters, and the people that are tend to be anomalous. Setting that as a standard/expectation puts people in a dangerous position.


So, you two believe a woman should just lie back and go to her "happy place" while being raped?

This program is teaching staff and students to defend themselves as a last resort when cornered by a shooter. "Run and hide" is still part of the training.
2012-09-02 07:43:31 PM  
1 votes:
It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.
2012-09-02 07:40:08 PM  
1 votes:
Its always good to be prepared to defend yourselves and understand basic emergency protocols. Its also good to remember that you will most likely be killed by a car walking across the road after you purchased a six pack texting some babe who will never give you the time of day let alone a blow job than a school shooter.
2012-09-02 07:35:01 PM  
1 votes:
Yeah, you guys take the bullets by trying to tackle the guy. I'll be here on the ground, doing what he says, trying to not set the guy off. Go, heroes. Oh, that's right, eyes on the ground, don't make a sound.

I was always taught that the one situation where you should always always fight back is abduction. Everything else, just try to not piss the guy off and get shot, but it's a judgement call.
2012-09-02 07:33:33 PM  
1 votes:
Aka the Die Like a Man doctrine.
2012-09-02 07:29:40 PM  
1 votes:
Take the farker down when he's going through a doorway is about all you can tell them to do.

Anything else is just a matter of on the spot opportunity and brass balls.
2012-09-02 07:29:25 PM  
1 votes:
How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets
2012-09-02 03:59:26 PM  
1 votes:
I can't wait for the inevitable lawsuit when some poor snowflake is injured because she caught back the way the school taught her.
2012-09-02 03:10:15 PM  
1 votes:
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