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(Fox News)   After finally figuring out that cowering in a corner does very little to stop a bullet, school administrators and police in Alabama are now training teachers and students to actively fight back against a school shooter   (foxnews.com) divider line 124
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2012-09-02 03:10:15 PM  
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2012-09-02 03:19:34 PM  
This will not end well.
 
2012-09-02 03:51:33 PM  
This has to be taught??
 
2012-09-02 03:59:26 PM  
I can't wait for the inevitable lawsuit when some poor snowflake is injured because she caught back the way the school taught her.
 
2012-09-02 04:01:15 PM  

propasaurus: I can't wait for the inevitable lawsuit when some poor snowflake is injured because she caught FOUGHT back the way the school taught her.


FTFM

/damn autocorrect and no preview
 
2012-09-02 04:54:20 PM  
"They did a skit where a person walked in with a toy gun and what actually happens if everyone throws things at him," she said. "The person began to protect themselves, and it threw him off for a few minutes. That's time to run."

Yeah...I get that by exposing staff to a mock situation you are taking away some of the shock value should it actually occur, but this seems rather optimistic.
 
2012-09-02 04:56:42 PM  
*facepalm*
 
2012-09-02 05:17:38 PM  
It's probably a better idea than cowering, but I doubt this practice will last long.
 
2012-09-02 05:44:00 PM  
Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.
 
2012-09-02 05:48:21 PM  
I don't think this is something that should be encouraged, but in the case of Kip Kinkel, it was students who restrained him until the authorities could arrive. However, there are just too many things that could go wrong to encourage the teachers & students to fight back.
 
2012-09-02 07:28:41 PM  

bojon: This has to be taught??


Yes.
 
2012-09-02 07:29:25 PM  
How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets
 
2012-09-02 07:29:40 PM  
Take the farker down when he's going through a doorway is about all you can tell them to do.

Anything else is just a matter of on the spot opportunity and brass balls.
 
2012-09-02 07:31:38 PM  
Just remember to serpentine.
 
2012-09-02 07:32:00 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: I don't think this is something that should be encouraged, but in the case of Kip Kinkel, it was students who restrained him until the authorities could arrive. However, there are just too many things that could go wrong to encourage the teachers & students to fight back.


I think it's great if people are willing to fight back, but 'teaching' it is something that will not end well. We as a society are not fighters, and the people that are tend to be anomalous. Setting that as a standard/expectation puts people in a dangerous position.
 
2012-09-02 07:32:47 PM  

OgreMagi: How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets


I always respect a teacher with a mounted .50 on their desk.
 
2012-09-02 07:33:33 PM  
Aka the Die Like a Man doctrine.
 
2012-09-02 07:33:56 PM  
I'm already feeling sorry for the kid who goes "Okay, it's okay, we just all throw stuff at him together like we were taught! Okay, ready? On three! One... two... THREE!" while every other kid is jumping out the window to safety.
 
2012-09-02 07:35:01 PM  
Yeah, you guys take the bullets by trying to tackle the guy. I'll be here on the ground, doing what he says, trying to not set the guy off. Go, heroes. Oh, that's right, eyes on the ground, don't make a sound.

I was always taught that the one situation where you should always always fight back is abduction. Everything else, just try to not piss the guy off and get shot, but it's a judgement call.
 
2012-09-02 07:37:04 PM  

remus: OgreMagi: How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets

I always respect a teacher with a mounted .50 on their desk.


Now that you mention it, I bet if the students knew there teacher was packing, they might chill out a little bit.
 
2012-09-02 07:40:08 PM  
Its always good to be prepared to defend yourselves and understand basic emergency protocols. Its also good to remember that you will most likely be killed by a car walking across the road after you purchased a six pack texting some babe who will never give you the time of day let alone a blow job than a school shooter.
 
2012-09-02 07:43:31 PM  
It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.
 
2012-09-02 07:43:53 PM  
The skit they mentioned is kinda worthless if there's only one farkin' entrance to the room.
 
2012-09-02 07:44:50 PM  

INeedAName: Bathia_Mapes: I don't think this is something that should be encouraged, but in the case of Kip Kinkel, it was students who restrained him until the authorities could arrive. However, there are just too many things that could go wrong to encourage the teachers & students to fight back.

I think it's great if people are willing to fight back, but 'teaching' it is something that will not end well. We as a society are not fighters, and the people that are tend to be anomalous. Setting that as a standard/expectation puts people in a dangerous position.


So, you two believe a woman should just lie back and go to her "happy place" while being raped?

This program is teaching staff and students to defend themselves as a last resort when cornered by a shooter. "Run and hide" is still part of the training.
 
2012-09-02 07:45:39 PM  
This idea of Alabama's is so good that I now have to go outside to see if the sky is on fire and the armies of good and evil are meeting for the final battle.

Seriously, we should teach this in every school in the country. Take a lesson from flight 93.
 
2012-09-02 07:46:01 PM  
So an unarmed child is supposed to confront a nutjob with a gun? Who the fark takes this crap seriously?
 
2012-09-02 07:46:04 PM  

LoneWolf343: It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.


Unless the game is "how many of you can I take down with me?"
 
2012-09-02 07:46:32 PM  

OgreMagi: remus: OgreMagi: How about giving the teachers guns? That would put a stop to school shootings.

/unless a teacher snaps
//very likely in a high school since all teenagers are farking douchenuggets

I always respect a teacher with a mounted .50 on their desk.

Now that you mention it, I bet if the students knew there their teacher was packing, they might chill out a little bit.


Damn it!
 
2012-09-02 07:47:12 PM  
Sighs, it's what i've been saying for years, arm the teachers, school security armed, and why not arm the students if they pass a background check? At least you would be able to defend yourself and not just lay there waiting to get shot like a cowering dog. My daughter is in college, and you better believe that I bought her a glock 21 that she carries in her oversized purse to every class. She has the constitutional right to bear arms, and I want to make sure she makes it through 4 years of college without becoming a statistic. And yes..i made her take the gun safety classes. She's actually a pretty good shot.
 
2012-09-02 07:48:56 PM  

Bucky Katt: So an unarmed child is supposed to confront a nutjob with a gun? Who the fark takes this crap seriously?


People who realize that after you've already attempted to run and hide, if the gunman gets to you, you probably shouldn't just sit there waiting to die. That's who.
 
2012-09-02 07:49:31 PM  
Going from a society where people stood up and faced danger to a society where people expect someone else to get their hands dirty for them, it is sad things like this are needed.
 
2012-09-02 07:49:58 PM  

david_gaithersburg: bojon: This has to be taught??

Yes.


/Yes, because our nation has become not only sue happy, but a nation of pansy ass liberals, who would rather try to talk to the physco trying to kill them, rather then just light his crazy ass up like he deserves. Teach your children respect for everyone, and not to start shiat, but also teach them how to defend themselves if someone else missed respect people 101.
 
2012-09-02 07:50:29 PM  

GAT_00: Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.


Curious to see if you would agree to teach gun safety to kids as early as sex ed is taught. Are they not both preventative measures to avoid future misfortune? More laws are NOT the answer.

Deaths by firearms 31,347 (2009) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
Deaths by abortion 1.21 million (2008) http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/fb_induced_abortion.html/
 
2012-09-02 07:52:07 PM  
Fun fact: Most of the victims of the Columbine shooting were in a library on the second floor, which happened to face a hill at the back, so a quick run down the hall would have placed them on a level with the hill and enabled them to jump to safety. The shooters were on that floor but hadn't gotten to the library yet.

But...the kids and the teachers stayed put because the police dispatcher, relying on a routine that had been in place for barricaded shooters and not for an active-shooter scenario, told them to stay in the library till the cops got there.

What needs to happen is NOT arming teachers and students, but changing the mindset of people (police, first responders and school officials alike) so that in a situation like this, the teacher on the phone to the dispatcher can give an accurate description of their location and say "You know, we can still make a break for the back hallway--tell the cops we're coming out that door."
 
2012-09-02 07:52:16 PM  

had98c: Bucky Katt: So an unarmed child is supposed to confront a nutjob with a gun? Who the fark takes this crap seriously?

People who realize that after you've already attempted to run and hide, if the gunman gets to you, you probably shouldn't just sit there waiting to die. That's who.


Yeah, a lot of children have that mentality that says if you're going to die anyway then you might as well attack the guy with the gun. Normally it takes weeks of basic training to get people to do that. Genius!
 
2012-09-02 07:53:06 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: david_gaithersburg: bojon: This has to be taught??

Yes.

/Yes, because our nation has become not only sue happy, but a nation of pansy ass liberals, who would rather try to talk to the physco trying to kill them, rather then just light his crazy ass up like he deserves. Teach your children respect for everyone, and not to start shiat, but also teach them how to defend themselves if someone else missed respect people 101.


Light him up with what? Most schoolchildren don't have conceiled carry permits.
 
2012-09-02 07:54:10 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: /Yes, because our nation has become not only sue happy, but a nation of pansy ass liberals, who would rather try to talk to the physco trying to kill them, rather then just light his crazy ass up like he deserves. Teach your children respect for everyone, and not to start shiat, but also teach them how to defend themselves if someone else missed respect people 101.


So you want to teach respect for individuals by lighting up their crazy ass first?

/and that everyone is a prime example of wingnut "logic"
 
2012-09-02 07:54:30 PM  
I suggest a shotgun in every principal's office.
 
2012-09-02 07:55:41 PM  
Speaking as a pansy-ass liberal, I think that phys ed class should be a self defense class.
 
2012-09-02 07:56:05 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Sighs, it's what i've been saying for years, arm the teachers, school security armed, and why not arm the students if they pass a background check? At least you would be able to defend yourself and not just lay there waiting to get shot like a cowering dog. My daughter is in college, and you better believe that I bought her a glock 21 that she carries in her oversized purse to every class. She has the constitutional right to bear arms, and I want to make sure she makes it through 4 years of college without becoming a statistic. And yes..i made her take the gun safety classes. She's actually a pretty good shot.


Your daughter does understand, I hope, that the gun will do her no good at all if her purse is under her desk and buried under the 75 other items that a girl normally carries in her purse. And that if she can't put her hand on the gun immediately, rummaging around under a stack of crap to find her trusty gun will only get her shot sooner because the shooter will realize she's digging for a weapon?

This is my biggest complaint about people who CCW for protection and brag that they're really good shots. If the gun isn't where you can immediately lay your hands on it when you need it--and inside a purse on the floor in a classroom or lecture hall is not such a location--you might as well not have a weapon at all. If your child is in such a high-risk school, she should have her gun in a shoulder holster at all times. And I mean that in utmost seriousness. Otherwise, it's just a mental crutch that will only encourage her to have a complacent state of mind: "I'm safe, because I have a gun." Unless it's in your hand, no, you don't have a gun.
 
2012-09-02 07:56:07 PM  

propasaurus: LoneWolf343: It really changes the game when you turn a school from hundreds of running targets to hundreds of people conspiring to take you down.

Unless the game is "how many of you can I take down with me?"


The game is usually already something like "How many of you can I slaughter without you coming after me?" - might as well make it more of a challenge.
 
2012-09-02 07:57:08 PM  
Stay classy, FARK.

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2012-09-02 07:58:15 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: My daughter is in college, and you better believe that I bought her a glock 21 that she carries in her oversized purse to every class.


[caliberwar]If you loved her a bit more, it would have been a Glock 20.[/caliberwar]
 
2012-09-02 08:00:53 PM  

Gyrfalcon: What needs to happen is NOT arming teachers and students, but changing the mindset of people (police, first responders and school officials alike) so that in a situation like this, the teacher on the phone to the dispatcher can give an accurate description of their location and say "You know, we can still make a break for the back hallway--tell the cops we're coming out that door."


Agreed. In a random shooter situation - those who will survive will be the ones who runs - not takes cover and stays put. And these situations happen so quickly - someone having a gun would have little chance to respond.

/saying that - banning guns on campus makes little real sense
 
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2012-09-02 08:01:58 PM  

GAT_00: Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.


You're right!!!

Quick, put more words on pieces of paper!!!! That'll fix everything!!!!!!
 
2012-09-02 08:03:44 PM  
Oh, it's this thread again. Only when everyone is armed and carrying at all times will the gun nuts be happy. Whatever.
 
2012-09-02 08:04:18 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: So, you two believe a woman should just lie back and go to her "happy place" while being raped?


We're not talking about a woman getting raped. We're talking about school shootings, so your comparison isn't even close to being valid.
 
2012-09-02 08:06:02 PM  

GAT_00: Republican logic. Oh no, people are getting shot due to incredibly lax gun laws! How do we fix this? MORE GUNS! That'll fix everything! It's the exact same argument as deregulation.


Where in the article did anyone suggest "more guns" as a solution? Or did you just use some "democrat logic" and make shiat up to conform to your presumptive biases?
 
2012-09-02 08:07:17 PM  
It might help if the snowflakes learned some of the ambushing pranks they watch on Jackass. Nothing stops a gunmen faster than a desk dropped on their heads. Topless teens work wonders on distracting even the coldest of male hearts carrying a weapon.

Boom!
 
2012-09-02 08:15:53 PM  
(1) Guns have to be reloaded.
(2) Guns take time to fire.
(3) Guns have an effective range. Inside that range, the guy might as well just be holding a rock.

It's definitely worth mobbing the attacker if you can get people to do it. I mean, let's even try to think up a social animal where, if a predator gets into its den, all the animals will try to hide in a corner. Nope, they go for the attack. Evolution has figured out the right survival strategy. . . we should tip our hats and use it.
 
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