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2012-09-02 09:33:11 AM  
What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?
 
2012-09-02 09:37:06 AM  

One Bad Apple: What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?


Albatross?

I don't know what it is with these planes that they crash so often.

I've flown an L-39 once. It's your basic trainer design from 50 years ago - slow to accelerate but fairly forgiving with the straight wing. But you can't get slow, just like any other airplane.
 
2012-09-02 10:02:52 AM  
I wonder how many of those there are flying in air shows in the US? Whenmi lived in Lock Haven PA I used to know a guywho had a one. One of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. Unless he was taking the thing out at 9 am on a Saturday. I lived beside the runway and damn it was loud.

I hope it's not him.
 
2012-09-02 10:11:43 AM  

edmo: One Bad Apple: What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?

Albatross?

I don't know what it is with these planes that they crash so often.

I've flown an L-39 once. It's your basic trainer design from 50 years ago - slow to accelerate but fairly forgiving with the straight wing. But you can't get slow, just like any other airplane.


Slow is a relative term.
 
2012-09-02 10:43:47 AM  

Fear_and_Loathing:

Slow is a relative term.


That is a terrible thing to say about your own family
 
2012-09-02 10:52:55 AM  
It didn't bounce
 
2012-09-02 12:58:33 PM  
Good landing, poor fireball control.
 
2012-09-02 01:01:52 PM  

One Bad Apple: What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?



Trávník Oštěp?
/got nothin'
 
2012-09-02 01:04:20 PM  
In Soviet Czechoslovakia, landing executes you!
 
2012-09-02 01:06:13 PM  
Huh, movies weren't lying to us about the gigantic fireball you get in a plane crash.
 
2012-09-02 01:06:34 PM  
HA HA HA HA HA

The pilot died.

FAILLLLLLL XDDD
 
2012-09-02 01:07:47 PM  
He should have read the czech list before takeoff.
 
2012-09-02 01:08:19 PM  
Should have Czeched himself before he wrecked himself
/Sad story, Brno
 
2012-09-02 01:10:51 PM  
www.thegauntlet.com

shakes their heads

/too soon?
 
2012-09-02 01:12:37 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-02 01:13:12 PM  
Did this myself, at 450 kts in an F8, so I'm getting a kick.

/Had an ejection seat.
//Didn't walk away from it.
///Still beat the reaper.
 
2012-09-02 01:13:26 PM  
I guess he finally

*puts on sunglasses*

Czeched out.
 
2012-09-02 01:14:30 PM  

wambu: [i.imgur.com image 850x630]


I knew the ghost would show up
 
2012-09-02 01:14:58 PM  

beta_plus: [www.thegauntlet.com image 850x566]

shakes their heads

/too soon?


Huh. I learned something about Rammstein today.
 
2012-09-02 01:16:48 PM  
I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.
 
2012-09-02 01:16:48 PM  
static2.pixdaus.com
 
2012-09-02 01:20:25 PM  

Gwendolyn: I wonder how many of those there are flying in air shows in the US? Whenmi lived in Lock Haven PA I used to know a guywho had a one. One of the nicest guys you'd ever want to meet. Unless he was taking the thing out at 9 am on a Saturday. I lived beside the runway and damn it was loud.

I hope it's not him.


Lee hasn't had his out in quite some time. At one point he had lost flight status for medical reasons, but has since been cleared. Still, I don't see the Albatross up very often...
 
2012-09-02 01:24:56 PM  
There's an air show happening across town, so I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

/to my eternal shame, i loled at a couple
 
2012-09-02 01:29:06 PM  
About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?
 
2012-09-02 01:32:33 PM  
I guess he didn't get over Macho Grande.

/ RIP pilot dude.
 
GBB
2012-09-02 01:34:57 PM  
Isn't this why people go to airshows and watch NASCAR??

Are you not entertained??
 
2012-09-02 01:37:10 PM  
Security video of the suspect:

i291.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-02 01:44:32 PM  
Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?
 
2012-09-02 01:44:56 PM  

CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.


Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.
 
2012-09-02 01:46:42 PM  
Quantum Apostrophe

static2.pixdaus.com

It's important to point out that that soon-to-not-be-an-aircraft is moving from right to left in that photo, just before setting a new world record.
 
2012-09-02 01:50:54 PM  
I was at the Davenport air show about 20 years ago and the day after the show they lost a Harrier and pilot.
 
2012-09-02 01:51:16 PM  
I hope he had insurance so that his wife will get a czech to tide her over.
 
2012-09-02 01:51:30 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: [static2.pixdaus.com image 850x633]


so, we can post this and the LV air races photo Wambu posted but not the mexican bicycle race fatality one.

Czech.
 
2012-09-02 01:51:40 PM  
aviationhumor.net
 
2012-09-02 01:53:50 PM  
And this is why I don't go to air shows.
 
2012-09-02 01:54:54 PM  
Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

How difficult is it to re-enable the Ejection Seats?
 
2012-09-02 01:56:21 PM  

strutin: Quantum Apostrophe: [static2.pixdaus.com image 850x633]

so, we can post this and the LV air races photo Wambu posted but not the mexican bicycle race fatality one.

Czech.


Yeah, I noticed that too.
 
2012-09-02 01:56:45 PM  
According to the local Sheriff -- jet had an ejection seat. Imagine the pilot tried to maneuvered away from people.
 
2012-09-02 01:58:57 PM  
strutin

Quantum Apostrophe: [static2.pixdaus.com image 850x633]

so, we can post this and the LV air races photo Wambu posted but not the mexican bicycle race fatality one.

Czech.


No squishy bits are visible.

// Oh, the huge manatee!
 
2012-09-02 02:01:29 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk


It didn't bounce


So he stuck the landing?
 
2012-09-02 02:03:07 PM  
Jeeze.... this is the sort of thing I expect to happen in Europe--- not America.
 
2012-09-02 02:03:34 PM  
Apparently one of these guys: The Hopper Flight Team
 
2012-09-02 02:08:01 PM  
judging by the fireball just call the area the field of creamed and mail a few pieces of burnt grass to the widow.
 
2012-09-02 02:12:44 PM  

Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?


Link
 
2012-09-02 02:13:44 PM  

super_grass: HA HA HA HA HA

The pilot died.

FAILLLLLLL XDDD


Seriously? What's wrong with you?
 
2012-09-02 02:14:08 PM  
Looks at FAIL tag and thinks contributor needs an arrow to his crotch. HERO, as all heroes, given posthumously Of course this is Fark, which is another way of saying fark-it-all for the 4chan lulz.

s11.postimage.org
 
2012-09-02 02:14:20 PM  

clear_prop: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


That does not appear to be accurate Link
 
2012-09-02 02:15:31 PM  
Going by the limited info in TFA the probable cause would be mechanical failure or weather. Let's see what the investigation reveals.

Disabling an ejection seat involves removing the pyros. Re-enabling that feature would require access to legally controlled burny-stuff.

Or MacGyver-ing some big ass-springs or something.
 
2012-09-02 02:16:25 PM  

change1211: super_grass: HA HA HA HA HA

The pilot died.

FAILLLLLLL XDDD

Seriously? What's wrong with you?


I think the comment was about the Fark headline and the fail tag. At least I hope it is...

Was the sad tag too busy?
 
2012-09-02 02:16:56 PM  

Monongahela Misfit: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

How difficult is it to re-enable the Ejection Seats?


The rockets in the ejection seat have a set shelf life and have to be replaced every few years. Importing new rockets from Russia or one of the ex-Soviet block countries is sure to get the BATF really interested.
 
2012-09-02 02:18:50 PM  

clear_prop


one of the ex-Soviet block countries


That's "bloc", btw.
 
2012-09-02 02:20:02 PM  

Timbered Club: In Soviet Czechoslovakia, landing executes you!


/Well, it WAS supposed to be a nonstop flight! (R.I.P. George Carlin)
 
2012-09-02 02:21:32 PM  

uncleacid: He should have read the czech list before takeoff.


/Czech Mate!
 
2012-09-02 02:21:37 PM  

edmo: clear_prop: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

That does not appear to be accurate Link


Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Still wouldn't want to take a ride on a Martinski-Bakerski seat.
 
2012-09-02 02:22:05 PM  

One Bad Apple: Fear_and_Loathing:

Slow is a relative term.

That is a terrible thing to say about your own family


I logged in to lol at this... LOL!
 
2012-09-02 02:25:27 PM  

whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?


OMG! Stay safe, dude.

I bought some milk that was past the expiry date once, so I know what it's like to live on the edge.
 
2012-09-02 02:25:57 PM  

whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?


So where you headed, Slovakia or the Czech Republic? (Don't look down...)
 
2012-09-02 02:26:20 PM  

Amusement: Looks at FAIL tag and thinks contributor needs an arrow to his crotch. HERO, as all heroes, given posthumously Of course this is Fark, which is another way of saying fark-it-all for the 4chan lulz.


Yes he's such a hero for dying in an airshow disaster.
 
2012-09-02 02:29:10 PM  
people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races
 
2012-09-02 02:31:41 PM  
Fail tag subby? Think you can do better?
 
2012-09-02 02:32:40 PM  

Omnivorous: I was at the Davenport air show about 20 years ago and the day after the show they lost a Harrier and pilot.


Sometimes I Wonder how Harriers fly in the first place! Of course, I live 60 mi. from LeJeune-those Ospreys really intimidate me-and not for their military prowess (except as unguided air-to-surface missiles!)
/Excuse me, my driveway is full of Hum-Vees!
 
2012-09-02 02:54:27 PM  

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


You would be incorrect. Ex-military jets in civilian hands can have ejection seats, they are just very expensive to maintain so a lot of owners have them disabled.

I do not fly ex military jets without an ejection seats. They were put in these jets for a reason, namely when something happens, they are not very crashworthy.
 
2012-09-02 02:58:29 PM  
I wondered if the flight attendants had time to perform a cross Czech before that landing?

//got nothin.
 
2012-09-02 02:58:48 PM  

clutchcargo2002: clear_prop:

You would be incorrect. Ex-military jets in civilian hands can have ejection seats, they are just very expensive to maintain so a lot of owners have them disabled.

I do not fly ex military jets without an ejection seats. They were put in these jets for a reason, namely when something happens, they are not very crashworthy.


I am not a pilot, just an enthusiast, but I also understand that most military jets (other than large transports) have an engine-out glide profile that is only slightly better than that of a manhole cover.
 
2012-09-02 02:58:52 PM  

stumpwiz: Did this myself, at 450 kts in an F8, so I'm getting a kick.

/Had an ejection seat.
//Didn't walk away from it.
///Still beat the reaper.


is that where the 'stump' in your username comes from?
 
2012-09-02 03:07:48 PM  

clear_prop:
Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


Whereas the UK CAA prefers ejection seats to be maintained live.
 
2012-09-02 03:10:15 PM  
Yikes.
 
2012-09-02 03:11:48 PM  

buzzcut73: clutchcargo2002: clear_prop:
I am not a pilot, just an enthusiast, but I also understand that most military jets (other than large transports) have an engine-out glide profile that is only slightly better than that of a manhole cover.


Yea, they are not very good and the best glide speeds are very high. F-16 is something like 220 kts, the F-104 is close to 300 kts as well as the
MiG-21. Glide ratio for the above is roughly 3-1 on a good day. From 20,000 feet above a runway, you can do a 360 turn, followed by a 180 degree turn to final from about 6000' - 9000' and that's it. It happens very quickly.
 
2012-09-02 03:12:35 PM  

Enigmamf: is that where the 'stump' in your username comes from?


Correct. Rode the last of the Martin Baker ballistic seats. Got only one of the three charges. Vertical stab clipped me. Am a right BK.
 
2012-09-02 03:13:24 PM  
Lay off the slivovitz dude....oh wait, you're dead, never mind.
 
2012-09-02 03:14:48 PM  

Jarhead_h: FTA: "DAVENPORT, Ia. -- A plane that was part of an air show in eastern Iowa has crashed, and the pilot is dead, police told reporters."

[cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com image 512x322]

Oh, ya' think?


wadelhardt.eu

"You're supposed to be all cracked up at the bottom of the hill!"

" Airbags! Can you farking believe it?"

"You're supposed to be blown up into fiery chunks of flesh!"

"Sprinkler system set up in the back! Can you *farking* believe it?"
 
2012-09-02 03:17:05 PM  

ButterMule: And this is why I don't go to air shows.


And why many sick people do
 
2012-09-02 03:17:47 PM  
They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.
 
2012-09-02 03:18:37 PM  
that's a big fireball
 
2012-09-02 03:25:42 PM  
Well, it's a good thing Rick didn't buy it on Pawn Stars then ;-)

Link
 
2012-09-02 03:26:17 PM  

Jarhead_h: FTA: "DAVENPORT, Ia. -- A plane that was part of an air show in eastern Iowa has crashed, and the pilot is dead, police told reporters."

[cmsimg.desmoinesregister.com image 512x322]

Oh, ya' think?


I posted that pict earlier with the comments "With the price of fuel, Im suprised he could afford to do that" and the fricken mods deleated it. WTF already!!!
 
2012-09-02 03:28:31 PM  
i277.photobucket.com

Do svidaniya
 
2012-09-02 03:31:46 PM  
 
2012-09-02 03:33:19 PM  
s18.postimage.org
 
2012-09-02 03:34:37 PM  

Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.


Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
i.imgur.com

Star Trek: Voyager
images.wikia.com
 
2012-09-02 03:51:50 PM  

OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".


Huh. I never noticed that. Speaking of which, this needs a Pilot Chekov joke but I can't make it work.
 
2012-09-02 03:53:23 PM  
They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.
 
2012-09-02 03:57:05 PM  

OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]



Long story short: The producers of Voyager realized that if they had Locarno in the show they would have had to pay the writer of "The First Duties" a ton of royalties.
 
2012-09-02 03:57:07 PM  
Looks like a crossover without the requisite horizontal/lateral separation.
 
2012-09-02 04:05:49 PM  

MattyFridays: OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]


Long story short: The producers of Voyager realized that if they had Locarno in the show they would have had to pay the writer of "The First Duties" a ton of royalties.


Well, now I know. I would have assumed most shows would have a clause to the effect of "even if its your script, we own rights to all characters".
 
2012-09-02 04:14:21 PM  

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


That is a bad idea. Better idea: ex-military jets may not have ejection seats...UNLESS they are going to be flying in air shows. The only thing worse than watching a plane explode in a huge fireball is knowing the pilot is also exploding in that huge fireball.

I can understand why the FAA would not want that in planes flying normal hops from airport to airport, but the tolerances are so much tighter in exhibition flying.
 
2012-09-02 04:19:31 PM  

OriginalGamer:

Well, now I know. I would have assumed most shows would have a clause to the effect of "even if its your script, we own rights to all characters".


I'm sure the Writers' Union has something to do with it.

The funny thing? Producers of VOY said they didn't just use Locarno because his actions were "irredeemable". (Mind you, Locarno was a *CADET* that did something stupid that led to another Cadet's death, who was a bad pilot to begin with)

Tom Paris was a Starfleet Officer whose error killed THREE people and covered it up, and THEN joined a terrorist organization!
 
2012-09-02 04:23:08 PM  
www.ejectionsite.com
 
2012-09-02 04:26:40 PM  

clutchcargo2002: buzzcut73: clutchcargo2002: clear_prop:
I am not a pilot, just an enthusiast, but I also understand that most military jets (other than large transports) have an engine-out glide profile that is only slightly better than that of a manhole cover.

Yea, they are not very good and the best glide speeds are very high. F-16 is something like 220 kts, the F-104 is close to 300 kts as well as the
MiG-21. Glide ratio for the above is roughly 3-1 on a good day. From 20,000 feet above a runway, you can do a 360 turn, followed by a 180 degree turn to final from about 6000' - 9000' and that's it. It happens very quickly.


F-16 Deadstick Landing
 
2012-09-02 04:26:43 PM  

Principal Clarinet: Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?

Link


My God this video contains everything why I hate broadcast television. Take 20 seconds of actual footage and turn it into minutes of tease and commercials and talk through everything as if I'm blind.
 
2012-09-02 04:34:01 PM  
He might be ok.

thelongbrake.com
 
2012-09-02 04:35:45 PM  

OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".


They ARE the same guy, kinda, but if they used the original's name, then the writers of that TNG episode would have get get royalties from basically every episode of Voyager ever made.

There's your "some reason".
 
2012-09-02 04:36:00 PM  

clear_prop: edmo: clear_prop: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

That does not appear to be accurate Link

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Still wouldn't want to take a ride on a Martinski-Bakerski seat.


But what if you lost control of your plane, couldn't recover, ejected and then the damn thing rights itself and does a intact belly landing in a cornfield?

4.bp.blogspot.com

4.bp.blogspot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

One of them stories that just can't be true, but is... Link to the story.
 
2012-09-02 04:38:09 PM  

durbnpoisn: They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.


He was also a baddie in "Starship Mine"

i291.photobucket.com

/watch out for that saddle
 
2012-09-02 04:39:40 PM  
cdn0.hark.com


R.I.P. mother goose
 
2012-09-02 04:40:26 PM  
The pilot in question

GLENN SMITH
"SKIDS"

"Skids" is a technology entrepreneur who founded a company in 1981 that provides IT services to local governments. Away from his computer, Skids started flying 24 years ago and now holds holds a commercial pilot's license with instrument rating. With over 2000 hours flying including 600 hours in jets, he is currently flying his PT-17 Stearman, T-37 Tweet ( one of two currently flying), MiG-17, L-39, and Super Cub. Skids is the newest member of the Hoppers and is currently working on his Lead qualifications.

"The Hoppers quickly became close and trusted friends. They are a special group of aviators dedicated to aviation safety and proficiency; and we use the excitement of aviation as a message to motivate kids to succeed."

In addition to his passion for flying, Glenn is a certified scuba diver, licensed sailor, snow ski enthusiast, and struggling golfer.
 
2012-09-02 04:46:37 PM  

Mildot: clear_prop: edmo: clear_prop: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

That does not appear to be accurate Link

Interesting. Thanks for the link.

Still wouldn't want to take a ride on a Martinski-Bakerski seat.

But what if you lost control of your plane, couldn't recover, ejected and then the damn thing rights itself and does a intact belly landing in a cornfield?


Awkward.
 
2012-09-02 04:54:14 PM  
i49.tinypic.com

Found him!
 
2012-09-02 04:58:33 PM  

Mildot: clear_prop: edmo: clear_prop: Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.

But what if you lost control of your plane, couldn't recover, ejected and then the damn thing rights itself and does a intact belly landing in a cornfield?

One of them stories that just can't be true, but is... Link to the story.


Here's another one...
 
2012-09-02 04:59:52 PM  
"FAIL" tag is for subby's entire life?
 
2012-09-02 05:00:09 PM  

MattyFridays: OriginalGamer:

Well, now I know. I would have assumed most shows would have a clause to the effect of "even if its your script, we own rights to all characters".

I'm sure the Writers' Union has something to do with it.

The funny thing? Producers of VOY said they didn't just use Locarno because his actions were "irredeemable". (Mind you, Locarno was a *CADET* that did something stupid that led to another Cadet's death, who was a bad pilot to begin with)

Tom Paris was a Starfleet Officer whose error killed THREE people and covered it up, and THEN joined a terrorist organization!


It's kind of like when Lucas said Luke and Leia had always been siblings and they really "knew" it all the time. Because saying something like "we just pulled a reason out of our ass when we needed one" doesn't sound quite the same.
 
2012-09-02 05:01:27 PM  

Thanks for the Meme-ries: durbnpoisn: They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.

He was also a baddie in "Starship Mine"

[i291.photobucket.com image 180x185]

/watch out for that saddle


Also:

starwrecked.com
 
2012-09-02 05:01:37 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: MaudlinMutantMollusk

It didn't bounce


So he stuck the landing?


This kind of out of control airplane crashing is exactly why we need tighter controls on airplanes. I mean pretty soon every damn kid in a gang will have one and where will be then? Lousy with airplane crashes on every street corner I tell ya.


/this is two miles from my house and stopped the show for almost an hour
//csb off
 
2012-09-02 05:25:03 PM  

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


This is not true. Hot seats are permitted in civil registered L-39s, provided they are maintained exactly per the guidelines of Aero Vodochody. The difficulty with this is the expense, and finding folks who can work on them over here. Most of the guys operating 39s do not have hot seats for this reason, but there are a number out there who do.
 
2012-09-02 05:30:02 PM  

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


Completely NOT true. I have several friends who privately own L-39s with hot ejection seats.
 
2012-09-02 05:30:39 PM  
Video...crash at around 0:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjY6RIe-S5E
 
2012-09-02 05:31:30 PM  
Video...crash at around 0:58

Link

Now with linky goodness...
 
2012-09-02 05:32:57 PM  

bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races


Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?
 
2012-09-02 05:39:04 PM  

MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?


Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.
 
2012-09-02 05:40:49 PM  

theurge14: Principal Clarinet: Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?

Link

My God this video contains everything why I hate broadcast television. Take 20 seconds of actual footage and turn it into minutes of tease and commercials and talk through everything as if I'm blind.


At least it had someone screaming, "oh god" at the top of her lungs a quarter mile away. That always helps.
 
2012-09-02 05:41:14 PM  

rhiannon: whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?

OMG! Stay safe, dude.

I bought some milk that was past the expiry date once, so I know what it's like to live on the edge.


I know someone that was recently surprised to come across the word "expiry", having never heard it before, and thought it was a made-up word. 49 years old and had never seen "expiry"!!!!!!
 
2012-09-02 05:42:53 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.


It's been 50 years since 2011?
 
2012-09-02 05:44:40 PM  

MattyFridays: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.

It's been 50 years since 2011?


What are you talking about?
 
2012-09-02 05:55:58 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?


Link
 
2012-09-02 05:59:01 PM  

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link


That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.
 
2012-09-02 06:02:02 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link

That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.


Way to play the semantics there, flyboy.

(I get what you mean, but come on, really?)
 
2012-09-02 06:05:01 PM  

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MattyFridays: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.

It's been 50 years since 2011?

What are you talking about?


The Reno Air Races crash last year of a (heavily) modified P-51. Technically not an "air show" though, I suppose, as the crash was during a race and not one of the interlude shows. While there have been crashes and deaths before, it was the first time at Reno that spectators were involved.
 
2012-09-02 06:05:35 PM  
No True Airshow
 
2012-09-02 06:05:59 PM  

Gyrfalcon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link

That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.

Way to play the semantics there, flyboy.

(I get what you mean, but come on, really?)


Yes, really. Airshows all fall under the very strict set of rules and precautions set forth by the International Council of Air Shows. Air racing does not. Blaming the airshow industry for spectators deaths is totally unwarranted and without merit.
 
2012-09-02 06:09:38 PM  
They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.
 
2012-09-02 06:10:22 PM  
OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.
 
2012-09-02 06:12:26 PM  

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.


Frankly, you completely missed the part where I explained that air shows have a strict set of guidelines that properly ensure spectator safety which makes it a very different event that air racing. The fact that you are too stupid to understand that does not make them the same thing.

You can call a zebra a horse all day long, but that still doesn't make it true.
 
2012-09-02 06:18:23 PM  

OnlyM3: OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".
One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.


Glad ya'll caught the reference!! Interestingly enough, Rondald D Moore is credited with co-writing the episode "The First Duty" according to wikipedia....
 
2012-09-02 06:20:38 PM  

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.



Exactly. While they're at it, they should hurry up and shut down Johnson and Johnson. They're basically the same thing as the meth lab down the street from my house. I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework, they're both manufacturing drugs, and have you seen what meth does to people?! Just shameful.
 
2012-09-02 06:38:36 PM  

Kyle Butler: The pilot in question

GLENN SMITH
"SKIDS"

"Skids" is a technology entrepreneur who founded a company in 1981 that provides IT services to local governments. Away from his computer, Skids started flying 24 years ago and now holds holds a commercial pilot's license with instrument rating. With over 2000 hours flying including 600 hours in jets, he is currently flying his PT-17 Stearman, T-37 Tweet ( one of two currently flying), MiG-17, L-39, and Super Cub. Skids is the newest member of the Hoppers and is currently working on his Lead qualifications.

"The Hoppers quickly became close and trusted friends. They are a special group of aviators dedicated to aviation safety and proficiency; and we use the excitement of aviation as a message to motivate kids to succeed."

In addition to his passion for flying, Glenn is a certified scuba diver, licensed sailor, snow ski enthusiast, and struggling golfer.


Oh shiat, I know the guy who has the other T-37. They bought them together. I figured he'd know this guy; he seems to know everyone, but I hoped it wouldn't be someone so close. :(
 
2012-09-02 07:15:03 PM  

Iron Felix: OnlyM3: OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".
One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.

Glad ya'll caught the reference!! Interestingly enough, Rondald D Moore is credited with co-writing the episode "The First Duty" according to wikipedia....


Interesting. And I know Ronald D. Moore had a falling out with Trek after TNG.

"I'll make my own Sci Fi! With Pyramid, and hookers!"

And we got the new Battlestar Galactica, so it kinda worked out :-P
 
2012-09-02 09:11:48 PM  
BigNumber12:

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y:


Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.

I apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth.
 
2012-09-02 09:24:35 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

/ wonders if it was the one these rocket surgeons almost bought
// tuk muži jsou tlustí
 
2012-09-02 09:31:50 PM  

Principal Clarinet: Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?

Link


Tape. It was caught on tape.

Old school is hard to break loose from.
 
2012-09-02 09:38:16 PM  

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.



And as a construction guy, I really appreciate your acknowledgement of this. 

/want to punch my various media devices every time actors playing "construction guys" use these interchangably
 
2012-09-02 09:40:51 PM  
At least his landing didn't occur in the crowded bleacher seats.
 
2012-09-02 10:07:15 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x375]

/ wonders if it was the one these rocket surgeons almost bought
// tuk muži jsou tlustí


No, it wasn't. I know the demo team and they've been flying the same jets for several years. Additionally, the L-39 is the most popular jet warbird in the country with over 300 already having been imported and with more arriving every year.

belhade: At least his landing didn't occur in the crowded bleacher seats.


Again, that's because this was an AIR SHOW and not an AIR RACE. I don't care what the media has told you, they are very different events.
 
2012-09-02 10:10:46 PM  
i14.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-02 10:56:21 PM  

MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?


If NASCAR is any indication, somebody's gonna take a hard RIGHT!
 
2012-09-02 10:58:45 PM  

chookbillion: rhiannon: whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?

OMG! Stay safe, dude.

I bought some milk that was past the expiry date once, so I know what it's like to live on the edge.

I know someone that was recently surprised to come across the word "expiry", having never heard it before, and thought it was a made-up word. 49 years old and had never seen "expiry"!!!!!!


"Why should I learn English? I'm never going to England!"-Homer Simpson
 
2012-09-02 11:04:40 PM  

BigNumber12: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.


And as a construction guy, I really appreciate your acknowledgement of this. 

/want to punch my various media devices every time actors playing "construction guys" use these interchangably


Pronounced "SEE-ment" or it will never pass a sunbelt inspection.
 
2012-09-02 11:06:28 PM  

OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]


At some point you'll figure out that reusing actors in different roles is a Star Trek tradition dating back to the Old Series.

Spock's father...

www.startrek.com

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

www.startrek.com

...or was that Klingon?

www.startrek.com
 
2012-09-02 11:22:36 PM  
edmo: One Bad Apple: What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?

Albatross?

I don't know what it is with these planes that they crash so often.

I've flown an L-39 once. It's your basic trainer design from 50 years ago - slow to accelerate but fairly forgiving with the straight wing. But you can't get slow, just like any other airplane.


I don't think there is anything wrong with the design, its just what rich people that think they are fighter pilots because they watched Top Gun can get their hands on.
 
2012-09-02 11:23:50 PM  

hdhale: OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]

At some point you'll figure out that reusing actors in different roles is a Star Trek tradition dating back to the Old Series.

Spock's father...

[www.startrek.com image 374x278]

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

[www.startrek.com image 350x250]

...or was that Klingon?

[www.startrek.com image 320x240]


Oh, I know (and Mark Lenard was awesome). I just thought it odd in this particular case since both characters were so similar story wise that they'd not have him play the same role.

But as others here explained, that was the original intent, until they realized there would be royalty issues, so they just changed his name for Voyager, and made a few changes to his background story.

In my head, I assume him to be the same role in both, and it works.
 
2012-09-02 11:27:45 PM  

durbnpoisn: They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.


And in an episode of Voyager, they retconned that and said he was the same character as when he played a helmsman in Trek 6, in an episode guest starring Captain Sulu (the wonderful George Takei).
 
2012-09-03 01:17:23 AM  
FTA: "rubble"

Rubble?! Plane rubble?

150+ comments already, so I came here to find the first Farker to point out the idiotic use of the word "rubble" so I could say "came here to say this."

// rubble.
 
2012-09-03 04:41:34 AM  

hdhale: Spock's father...

www.startrek.com

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

www.startrek.com

...or was that Klingon?

www.startrek.com


A mozhet byt' karova?
 
2012-09-03 04:54:39 AM  
oi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-03 12:45:28 PM  

LewDux:

A mozhet byt' karova?


chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr

?
 
2012-09-03 01:48:17 PM  

Mister Peejay: LewDux:

A mozhet byt' karova?

[chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr image 701x511]

?


Obscurier
 
2012-09-03 02:45:17 PM  
fc04.deviantart.net
 
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