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2012-09-02 05:00:09 PM

MattyFridays: OriginalGamer:

Well, now I know. I would have assumed most shows would have a clause to the effect of "even if its your script, we own rights to all characters".

I'm sure the Writers' Union has something to do with it.

The funny thing? Producers of VOY said they didn't just use Locarno because his actions were "irredeemable". (Mind you, Locarno was a *CADET* that did something stupid that led to another Cadet's death, who was a bad pilot to begin with)

Tom Paris was a Starfleet Officer whose error killed THREE people and covered it up, and THEN joined a terrorist organization!


It's kind of like when Lucas said Luke and Leia had always been siblings and they really "knew" it all the time. Because saying something like "we just pulled a reason out of our ass when we needed one" doesn't sound quite the same.
 
2012-09-02 05:01:27 PM

Thanks for the Meme-ries: durbnpoisn: They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.

He was also a baddie in "Starship Mine"

[i291.photobucket.com image 180x185]

/watch out for that saddle


Also:

starwrecked.com
 
2012-09-02 05:01:37 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: MaudlinMutantMollusk

It didn't bounce


So he stuck the landing?


This kind of out of control airplane crashing is exactly why we need tighter controls on airplanes. I mean pretty soon every damn kid in a gang will have one and where will be then? Lousy with airplane crashes on every street corner I tell ya.


/this is two miles from my house and stopped the show for almost an hour
//csb off
 
2012-09-02 05:25:03 PM

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


This is not true. Hot seats are permitted in civil registered L-39s, provided they are maintained exactly per the guidelines of Aero Vodochody. The difficulty with this is the expense, and finding folks who can work on them over here. Most of the guys operating 39s do not have hot seats for this reason, but there are a number out there who do.
 
2012-09-02 05:30:02 PM

clear_prop: CowboyUpCowgirlDown: I'll bet that piece of wreckage jettisoned to the right of the fireball was the pilot in his ejection seat.

Feeling toasty, it appears.

Only the military is allowed to have ejection seats. The FAA doesn't like the idea of pilots leaving the plane in flight, so all the ex-military jets in civilian hands are supposed to have the ejection seats disabled.


Completely NOT true. I have several friends who privately own L-39s with hot ejection seats.
 
2012-09-02 05:30:39 PM
Video...crash at around 0:58

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjY6RIe-S5E
 
2012-09-02 05:31:30 PM
Video...crash at around 0:58

Link

Now with linky goodness...
 
2012-09-02 05:32:57 PM

bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races


Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?
 
2012-09-02 05:39:04 PM

MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?


Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.
 
2012-09-02 05:40:49 PM

theurge14: Principal Clarinet: Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?

Link

My God this video contains everything why I hate broadcast television. Take 20 seconds of actual footage and turn it into minutes of tease and commercials and talk through everything as if I'm blind.


At least it had someone screaming, "oh god" at the top of her lungs a quarter mile away. That always helps.
 
2012-09-02 05:41:14 PM

rhiannon: whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?

OMG! Stay safe, dude.

I bought some milk that was past the expiry date once, so I know what it's like to live on the edge.


I know someone that was recently surprised to come across the word "expiry", having never heard it before, and thought it was a made-up word. 49 years old and had never seen "expiry"!!!!!!
 
2012-09-02 05:42:53 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.


It's been 50 years since 2011?
 
2012-09-02 05:44:40 PM

MattyFridays: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.

It's been 50 years since 2011?


What are you talking about?
 
2012-09-02 05:55:58 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?


Link
 
2012-09-02 05:59:01 PM

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link


That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.
 
2012-09-02 06:02:02 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link

That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.


Way to play the semantics there, flyboy.

(I get what you mean, but come on, really?)
 
2012-09-02 06:05:01 PM

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MattyFridays: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?

Actually, most turns at air shows are to one direction, away from the crowd to ensure that if there is an engine failure, the energy will not be carried towards the crowd. This is why there have been no spectator deaths at U.S. airshows in over 50 years.

It's been 50 years since 2011?

What are you talking about?


The Reno Air Races crash last year of a (heavily) modified P-51. Technically not an "air show" though, I suppose, as the crash was during a race and not one of the interlude shows. While there have been crashes and deaths before, it was the first time at Reno that spectators were involved.
 
2012-09-02 06:05:35 PM
No True Airshow
 
2012-09-02 06:05:59 PM

Gyrfalcon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: TheyCallMeC0WB0Y: What are you talking about?

Link

That was NOT an air show. That was an air race. Completely two different things.

My point still stands. There has not been a spectator death at a U.S. air show in over 50 years.

Way to play the semantics there, flyboy.

(I get what you mean, but come on, really?)


Yes, really. Airshows all fall under the very strict set of rules and precautions set forth by the International Council of Air Shows. Air racing does not. Blaming the airshow industry for spectators deaths is totally unwarranted and without merit.
 
2012-09-02 06:09:38 PM
They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.
 
2012-09-02 06:10:22 PM
OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.
 
2012-09-02 06:12:26 PM

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.


Frankly, you completely missed the part where I explained that air shows have a strict set of guidelines that properly ensure spectator safety which makes it a very different event that air racing. The fact that you are too stupid to understand that does not make them the same thing.

You can call a zebra a horse all day long, but that still doesn't make it true.
 
2012-09-02 06:18:23 PM

OnlyM3: OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".
One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.


Glad ya'll caught the reference!! Interestingly enough, Rondald D Moore is credited with co-writing the episode "The First Duty" according to wikipedia....
 
2012-09-02 06:20:38 PM

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: They're both organized events where people go and watch planes fly, whether they're doing aerobatics or competing in a timed event. Frankly, I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework.



Exactly. While they're at it, they should hurry up and shut down Johnson and Johnson. They're basically the same thing as the meth lab down the street from my house. I don't give a fark about the regulatory framework, they're both manufacturing drugs, and have you seen what meth does to people?! Just shameful.
 
2012-09-02 06:38:36 PM

Kyle Butler: The pilot in question

GLENN SMITH
"SKIDS"

"Skids" is a technology entrepreneur who founded a company in 1981 that provides IT services to local governments. Away from his computer, Skids started flying 24 years ago and now holds holds a commercial pilot's license with instrument rating. With over 2000 hours flying including 600 hours in jets, he is currently flying his PT-17 Stearman, T-37 Tweet ( one of two currently flying), MiG-17, L-39, and Super Cub. Skids is the newest member of the Hoppers and is currently working on his Lead qualifications.

"The Hoppers quickly became close and trusted friends. They are a special group of aviators dedicated to aviation safety and proficiency; and we use the excitement of aviation as a message to motivate kids to succeed."

In addition to his passion for flying, Glenn is a certified scuba diver, licensed sailor, snow ski enthusiast, and struggling golfer.


Oh shiat, I know the guy who has the other T-37. They bought them together. I figured he'd know this guy; he seems to know everyone, but I hoped it wouldn't be someone so close. :(
 
2012-09-02 07:15:03 PM

Iron Felix: OnlyM3: OriginalGamer


Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".
One word. Royalties. S.T. has a long history of screwing the creative folks. This is just one more example. By not using the same character name, they dodged having to write checks to they guy who deserved it.

Glad ya'll caught the reference!! Interestingly enough, Rondald D Moore is credited with co-writing the episode "The First Duty" according to wikipedia....


Interesting. And I know Ronald D. Moore had a falling out with Trek after TNG.

"I'll make my own Sci Fi! With Pyramid, and hookers!"

And we got the new Battlestar Galactica, so it kinda worked out :-P
 
2012-09-02 09:11:48 PM
BigNumber12:

TheyCallMeC0WB0Y:


Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.

I apologize for sticking my foot in my mouth.
 
2012-09-02 09:24:35 PM
ecx.images-amazon.com

/ wonders if it was the one these rocket surgeons almost bought
// tuk muži jsou tlustí
 
2012-09-02 09:31:50 PM

Principal Clarinet: Bigdogdaddy: Am I a bad person for wanting to see video?

Link


Tape. It was caught on tape.

Old school is hard to break loose from.
 
2012-09-02 09:38:16 PM

Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.



And as a construction guy, I really appreciate your acknowledgement of this. 

/want to punch my various media devices every time actors playing "construction guys" use these interchangably
 
2012-09-02 09:40:51 PM
At least his landing didn't occur in the crowded bleacher seats.
 
2012-09-02 10:07:15 PM

veedeevadeevoodee: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 500x375]

/ wonders if it was the one these rocket surgeons almost bought
// tuk muži jsou tlustí


No, it wasn't. I know the demo team and they've been flying the same jets for several years. Additionally, the L-39 is the most popular jet warbird in the country with over 300 already having been imported and with more arriving every year.

belhade: At least his landing didn't occur in the crowded bleacher seats.


Again, that's because this was an AIR SHOW and not an AIR RACE. I don't care what the media has told you, they are very different events.
 
2012-09-02 10:10:46 PM
i14.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-02 10:56:21 PM

MAYORBOB: bigbobowski: people go to airshows for the same reason they go to nascar races

Are there a lot of left turns at air shows?


If NASCAR is any indication, somebody's gonna take a hard RIGHT!
 
2012-09-02 10:58:45 PM

chookbillion: rhiannon: whconner4: About to board a plane. Let us pretend this thread provided no lulz to me, shall we?

OMG! Stay safe, dude.

I bought some milk that was past the expiry date once, so I know what it's like to live on the edge.

I know someone that was recently surprised to come across the word "expiry", having never heard it before, and thought it was a made-up word. 49 years old and had never seen "expiry"!!!!!!


"Why should I learn English? I'm never going to England!"-Homer Simpson
 
2012-09-02 11:04:40 PM

BigNumber12: Deranged Mutant Killer Monster Snow Goon: Thinking about it, I understand where you guys are coming from - for me, as a railroad guy, it's like constantly pointing out that the "engineer" and the "conductor" are two very different occupations. Or that "cement" and "concrete" are not one and the same.


And as a construction guy, I really appreciate your acknowledgement of this. 

/want to punch my various media devices every time actors playing "construction guys" use these interchangably


Pronounced "SEE-ment" or it will never pass a sunbelt inspection.
 
2012-09-02 11:06:28 PM

OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]


At some point you'll figure out that reusing actors in different roles is a Star Trek tradition dating back to the Old Series.

Spock's father...

www.startrek.com

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

www.startrek.com

...or was that Klingon?

www.startrek.com
 
2012-09-02 11:22:36 PM
edmo: One Bad Apple: What's the Czech word for "Lawn Dart" ?

Albatross?

I don't know what it is with these planes that they crash so often.

I've flown an L-39 once. It's your basic trainer design from 50 years ago - slow to accelerate but fairly forgiving with the straight wing. But you can't get slow, just like any other airplane.


I don't think there is anything wrong with the design, its just what rich people that think they are fighter pilots because they watched Top Gun can get their hands on.
 
2012-09-02 11:23:50 PM

hdhale: OriginalGamer: Iron Felix: They were trying to do a Kolvoord Starburst.

Yeah, but that idea was thought up by "Not Tom Paris But Totally Seemed Like The Same Character And Was A Pilot And Sent To Prison And Played By The Same Actor But For Some Reason They Aren't The Same Guy".

Star Trek: The Next Generation ("The First Duty")
[i.imgur.com image 347x422]

Star Trek: Voyager
[images.wikia.com image 292x355]

At some point you'll figure out that reusing actors in different roles is a Star Trek tradition dating back to the Old Series.

Spock's father...

[www.startrek.com image 374x278]

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

[www.startrek.com image 350x250]

...or was that Klingon?

[www.startrek.com image 320x240]


Oh, I know (and Mark Lenard was awesome). I just thought it odd in this particular case since both characters were so similar story wise that they'd not have him play the same role.

But as others here explained, that was the original intent, until they realized there would be royalty issues, so they just changed his name for Voyager, and made a few changes to his background story.

In my head, I assume him to be the same role in both, and it works.
 
2012-09-02 11:27:45 PM

durbnpoisn: They did that with Tuvok too. He was a helmsman in one movie, and not a vulcan. Then he came back in Voyager as a Vulcan.


And in an episode of Voyager, they retconned that and said he was the same character as when he played a helmsman in Trek 6, in an episode guest starring Captain Sulu (the wonderful George Takei).
 
2012-09-03 01:17:23 AM
FTA: "rubble"

Rubble?! Plane rubble?

150+ comments already, so I came here to find the first Farker to point out the idiotic use of the word "rubble" so I could say "came here to say this."

// rubble.
 
2012-09-03 04:41:34 AM

hdhale: Spock's father...

www.startrek.com

...but not Spock's father, a Romulan commander...

www.startrek.com

...or was that Klingon?

www.startrek.com


A mozhet byt' karova?
 
2012-09-03 04:54:39 AM
oi47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-03 12:45:28 PM

LewDux:

A mozhet byt' karova?


chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr

?
 
2012-09-03 01:48:17 PM

Mister Peejay: LewDux:

A mozhet byt' karova?

[chabrieres.pagesperso-orange.fr image 701x511]

?


Obscurier
 
2012-09-03 02:45:17 PM
fc04.deviantart.net
 
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