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2012-09-02 07:05:44 AM  
France surrenders.
 
2012-09-02 07:47:07 AM  
Hate to sink an ice pick into one of those submerged babies.
 
2012-09-02 07:54:36 AM  
There are still WWI minefields in Belgium and France that are too dangerous to try and clear with today's technologies. I hope none of those munitions roll downhill.
 
2012-09-02 07:55:39 AM  

vudukungfu: Hate to sink an ice pick into one of those submerged babies.


I disagree. I think it would be a blast.
 
2012-09-02 07:59:21 AM  

Coelacanth: There are still WWI minefields in Belgium and France that are too dangerous to try and clear with today's technologies. I hope none of those munitions roll downhill.


Not to mention the largest bomb ever constructed, hidden somewhere in Flanders.

Still some sea mines around the UK too.
 
2012-09-02 08:04:29 AM  
Global Warming
 
2012-09-02 08:05:25 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: France surrenders.


Lets see.

Repeat of the No Mans Land (which was almost entirely inside France) in an attempt to stop a more numerous, well equipped army with a huge moral boost while having a huge hit to your own morale...

Or surrender and try to save what can.

Hmm.

/fark you French haters.
 
2012-09-02 08:10:42 AM  
Only the dumbest of moronic twits would post a "France surrenders" in a thread connected to a story about WW1.

The French fought like Hell and suffered tremendously in that war.

If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory"
 
2012-09-02 08:12:35 AM  

ghostwind: vudukungfu: Hate to sink an ice pick into one of those submerged babies.

I disagree. I think it would be a blast.


By all means, Go first.
 
2012-09-02 08:21:27 AM  
So we just found out that WW 1 was real ? Maybe I should read the article :)
 
2012-09-02 08:31:54 AM  
What? No love for WWII?

lh3.googleusercontent.com

/Sup, Allied biatches?
//Rizzeich in the house!
 
2012-09-02 08:33:10 AM  
I've also been wondering how many disappeared folks are going to turn up in the drought, as conveniently deep bodies of water go dry and reveal hidden contents.

/Always reminded of the very smart "shark cages" described in Mario Puzo's "The Last Don", for deep-sea disposal of bodies.
 
2012-09-02 08:33:45 AM  
Diogenes The Cynic

Not to mention the largest bomb ever constructed, hidden somewhere in Flanders.


Stupid Flanders
 
2012-09-02 08:34:14 AM  
Any 7.62x54R?
I can use it if no one wants.
 
2012-09-02 08:38:58 AM  
Thirty years from now:

"Gah. Traffic is moving slower than a glacier."
"What's a glacier?"
 
2012-09-02 08:39:57 AM  

craigdamage: Only the dumbest of moronic twits would post a "France surrenders" in a thread connected to a story about WW1.

The French fought like Hell and suffered tremendously in that war.

If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory"


So....... Did they surrender or what?
 
2012-09-02 08:45:36 AM  

way south: Any 7.62x54R?
I can use it if no one wants.


I've got maybe 100-150 cases. Got any Brit 303 Enfield to trade?
 
2012-09-02 08:46:30 AM  

craigdamage: Only the dumbest of moronic twits would post a "France surrenders" in a thread connected to a story about WW1.

The French fought like Hell and suffered tremendously in that war.

If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory"


What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.
 
2012-09-02 08:51:51 AM  
So this means that the glacier has receded further than it has now, global warming doesn't exist and Sarah Palin is automatically king of France.

/amidoinitrite?
 
2012-09-02 08:56:17 AM  

Savage Belief: So this means that the glacier has receded further than it has now, global warming doesn't exist and Sarah Palin is automatically king of France.

/amidoinitrite?


You are wrong because global warming is worse in election years.
 
2012-09-02 09:00:04 AM  

DubyaHater: Global Warming


But the munitions were 'in' the glacier to begin with. Only when it started melting did anyone find them. Therefor the glacier had to grow after the munitions were placed then it melted again later to reveal them. Obviously the munitions laying on the surface of the glacier would be warmed by the sun and probably melted their way under the surface initially but the depth wouldn't have been so great that a major melt was the only way they'd be uncovered.

Dinosaurs caused global cooling, we're just putting it back where it was.
 
2012-09-02 09:04:16 AM  

ronaprhys: What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.


Look. I know this is Fark and snark is the way to go but sometimes, you need to be mindful of looking really really stupid.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-02 09:06:22 AM  

Savage Belief: So this means that the glacier has receded further than it has now, global warming doesn't exist and Sarah Palin is automatically king of France.

/amidoinitrite?


Aside from the Palin part..you are spot on. I don't deny global warming, but to assume it has never happened before and it's all our fault is just a way to get into your guilt-ridden pockets for a quick money grab
 
2012-09-02 09:07:37 AM  

Interceptor1: Obviously the munitions laying on the surface of the glacier would be warmed by the sun and probably melted their way under the surface


You need to study glaciers some more. Everything that gets covered by snow at the top of a glacier eventually comes out at the bottom.
 
2012-09-02 09:10:27 AM  

dofus: ronaprhys: What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.

Look. I know this is Fark and snark is the way to go but sometimes, you need to be mindful of looking really really stupid.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x743]


You forgot Poland
Annd yes, I know Poland did not exist as an independent state during World War I, however its geographical position between the fighting powers had meant that much fighting and terrific human and material losses occurred on the Polish lands between 1914 and 1918.
 
2012-09-02 09:16:07 AM  

Summercat: Lionel Mandrake: France surrenders.

Lets see.

Repeat of the No Mans Land (which was almost entirely inside France) in an attempt to stop a more numerous, well equipped army with a huge moral boost while having a huge hit to your own morale...

Or surrender and try to save what can.

Hmm.

/fark you French haters.


These munitions were found in Trentino, where Italy and Austria were fighting. So nothing to do with France.

The Italian front of WWI was insane, it was trench warfare at high altitude (up to 3,500m), with trenches on top of mountains whose only supply routes were through cliffs. More soldiers died of cold and avalanches than from bullets. Each side would use artillery against the mountain peaks to start avalanches and rock-slides on the other side's line.

/WWI was insane all over. "The last 10 offensives we did ended in complete failure, but surely the next one must work"
 
2012-09-02 09:16:52 AM  
it's the clockwork WWI soldiers you need to watch out for
 
2012-09-02 09:18:25 AM  

SpeedyBB: I've also been wondering how many disappeared folks are going to turn up in the drought, as conveniently deep bodies of water go dry and reveal hidden contents.


I don't think we're going to see water levels dropping 40-50+ feet.

/Always reminded of the very smart "shark cages" described in Mario Puzo's "The Last Don", for deep-sea disposal of bodies.

The thing that always bothered me about that was that eventually the limbs and such would come loose and float to the surface. OTOH, the fish may get to them first.
 
2012-09-02 09:22:21 AM  

dofus: Interceptor1: Obviously the munitions laying on the surface of the glacier would be warmed by the sun and probably melted their way under the surface

You need to study glaciers some more. Everything that gets covered by snow at the top of a glacier eventually comes out at the bottom.


I shall do so, thank you.
 
2012-09-02 09:27:54 AM  

dofus: ronaprhys: What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.

Look. I know this is Fark and snark is the way to go but sometimes, you need to be mindful of looking really really stupid.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x743]


Well, duh. That's because it's easier to shoot people that are running away and because Europeans are dumb. We came, we saw, we conquered. Rarely did we die.

Because we're better.
 
2012-09-02 09:32:56 AM  
There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?
 
2012-09-02 09:40:13 AM  
If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory"

If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory are proabably American"

/FTFY
 
2012-09-02 09:40:20 AM  

mexican bathtub cheese: There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?


This glacier left us cool stuff to find, the one that was in Texas...left us Texas.
 
2012-09-02 09:40:41 AM  

mexican bathtub cheese: There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?


Rate of change and reason for change. Natural change is much slower and the causes for the natural warming, the Milankovitch Cycles, are actually heading towards cooling right now. Not warming.

/you probably didn't actually want an answer did you?
 
2012-09-02 09:40:49 AM  

Summercat: Lionel Mandrake: France surrenders.

Lets see.

Repeat of the No Mans Land (which was almost entirely inside France) in an attempt to stop a more numerous, well equipped army with a huge moral boost while having a huge hit to your own morale...

Or surrender and try to save what can.

Hmm.

/fark you French haters.


What a lot of people -- especially Americans -- don't get is that NO ONE could have stood against Germany's blitzkrieg. France happened to be the one that got sacked, but it could have been anyone. Russia's only real defence -- which they exploited as much as they could -- was that they're huge and cold, but that's it. If Russia was the size of France, they would have fallen immediately, too. Britain's defence was that they weren't nearby and easy to get at quickly with lots of tanks, and still had all those old planes to annoy people with. Had the U.S. and the UK been nearby continental powers, we'd probably all be speaking German now, and Russia would be an impoverished Third World nation. (Except that there would be no Third World, because there would have been no Second World without a powerful USSR.) France did the right thing, the smart thing, the only thing they could do. And they still fought a hell of a guerrilla war while under occupation. The whole point of quick surrender was to spare lives against the threat of fighting an impossibly superior foe, and that strategy succeeded. France still prevailed at the end, and the Third Reich lost.
 
2012-09-02 09:41:39 AM  
Meet Maité Roël, at 29 years old, she is the youngest official victim of WWI.

Maité Roël's Story
 
2012-09-02 09:43:36 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Summercat: Lionel Mandrake: France surrenders.

Lets see.

Repeat of the No Mans Land (which was almost entirely inside France) in an attempt to stop a more numerous, well equipped army with a huge moral boost while having a huge hit to your own morale...

Or surrender and try to save what can.

Hmm.

/fark you French haters.

What a lot of people -- especially Americans -- don't get is that NO ONE could have stood against Germany's blitzkrieg. France happened to be the one that got sacked, but it could have been anyone. Russia's only real defence -- which they exploited as much as they could -- was that they're huge and cold, but that's it. If Russia was the size of France, they would have fallen immediately, too. Britain's defence was that they weren't nearby and easy to get at quickly with lots of tanks, and still had all those old planes to annoy people with. Had the U.S. and the UK been nearby continental powers, we'd probably all be speaking German now, and Russia would be an impoverished Third World nation. (Except that there would be no Third World, because there would have been no Second World without a powerful USSR.) France did the right thing, the smart thing, the only thing they could do. And they still fought a hell of a guerrilla war while under occupation. The whole point of quick surrender was to spare lives against the threat of fighting an impossibly superior foe, and that strategy succeeded. France still prevailed at the end, and the Third Reich lost.


The only thing that saved England immediately was the channel; and Dunkirk to restore morale.
 
2012-09-02 10:01:53 AM  

Farking Canuck: mexican bathtub cheese: There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?

Rate of change and reason for change. Natural change is much slower and the causes for the natural warming, the Milankovitch Cycles, are actually heading towards cooling right now. Not warming.

/you probably didn't actually want an answer did you?


Milankovitch Cycles cannot by themselves explain glaciation in the past. Especially pre and post 1 Million years ago. But you knew that already didn't you?
 
2012-09-02 10:03:40 AM  

dofus: ronaprhys: What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.

Look. I know this is Fark and snark is the way to go but sometimes, you need to be mindful of looking really really stupid.

upload.wikimedia.org


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-02 10:05:54 AM  

dofus: You need to study glaciers some more. Everything that gets covered by snow at the top of a glacier eventually comes out at the bottom.


Except, apparently, WWI ammunition....
 
2012-09-02 10:09:17 AM  

craigdamage: Only the dumbest of moronic twits would post a "France surrenders" in a thread connected to a story about WW1.

The French fought like Hell and suffered tremendously in that war.

If you are too lazy to know your history you should at least watch "Paths of Glory"


I've seen "Paths of Glory". Apparently the reason the French fought like hell was because their own generals would call down artillery strikes on them if they didn't.

Not to dismiss French bravery, but you really should choose a better example there.
 
2012-09-02 10:09:43 AM  

MarkEC: Farking Canuck: mexican bathtub cheese: There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?

Rate of change and reason for change. Natural change is much slower and the causes for the natural warming, the Milankovitch Cycles, are actually heading towards cooling right now. Not warming.

/you probably didn't actually want an answer did you?

Milankovitch Cycles cannot by themselves explain glaciation in the past. Especially pre and post 1 Million years ago. But you knew that already didn't you?


They are the trigger that, when moving from glaciation, release the trapped greenhouse gasses which then do the bulk of the warming. Similar to our current generation of massive amounts of CO2 which has also cascaded natural releases of trapped CO2 and CH4 further amplifying the greenhouse effect.

Did you have a point?
 
2012-09-02 10:18:04 AM  

dofus: ronaprhys: What you meant to say is that they basically dug a bunch of trenches and hung out until the Americans showed up.

Look. I know this is Fark and snark is the way to go but sometimes, you need to be mindful of looking really really stupid.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 850x743]


I was told there would be no History.
 
2012-09-02 10:19:15 AM  

Farking Canuck: MarkEC: Farking Canuck: mexican bathtub cheese: There once were glaciers in the north part of Texas. Why is this climate change any different than that climate change?

Rate of change and reason for change. Natural change is much slower and the causes for the natural warming, the Milankovitch Cycles, are actually heading towards cooling right now. Not warming.

/you probably didn't actually want an answer did you?

Milankovitch Cycles cannot by themselves explain glaciation in the past. Especially pre and post 1 Million years ago. But you knew that already didn't you?

They are the trigger that, when moving from glaciation, release the trapped greenhouse gasses which then do the bulk of the warming. Similar to our current generation of massive amounts of CO2 which has also cascaded natural releases of trapped CO2 and CH4 further amplifying the greenhouse effect.

Did you have a point?


Go read up on it, glaciation doesn't follow the same before 1 million years ago and after 1 million years ago. If your simple explanation were true, there would be no difference pre and post 1MYA. So it's a lot more complicated than that. There is definitely a correlation, but to say it like you did as if it's written in stone is very misleading.
 
2012-09-02 10:21:04 AM  
For those of you trying to argue with the Faux News "French surrender monkeys, Mittens is a millionaire job creator" types, you are wasting your time. Logic, facts and reason doesn't work with zealots. Did any of you watch the RNC? It was painful to see, a political party having a public nervous breakdown. These people have severe psychological disturbances. They don't knew arguments, they need time on a psychiatrist's couch.
 
2012-09-02 10:21:05 AM  

Fissile: Meet Maité Roël, at 29 years old, she is the youngest official victim of WWI.

Maité Roël's Story


France still has what they call "the iron harvest" ~900 tons of unexploded ordnance that they recover every year. They have a whole department of "démineurs" and typically lose one or two of them per year. There are huge areas of France that are still cordoned off because of the amount of live ordnance there, including gas shells from WWI.
 
2012-09-02 10:51:21 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Summercat: Lionel Mandrake: France surrenders.

Lets see.

Repeat of the No Mans Land (which was almost entirely inside France) in an attempt to stop a more numerous, well equipped army with a huge moral boost while having a huge hit to your own morale...

Or surrender and try to save what can.

Hmm.

/fark you French haters.

What a lot of people -- especially Americans -- don't get is that NO ONE could have stood against Germany's blitzkrieg. France happened to be the one that got sacked, but it could have been anyone. Russia's only real defence -- which they exploited as much as they could -- was that they're huge and cold, but that's it. If Russia was the size of France, they would have fallen immediately, too. Britain's defence was that they weren't nearby and easy to get at quickly with lots of tanks, and still had all those old planes to annoy people with. Had the U.S. and the UK been nearby continental powers, we'd probably all be speaking German now, and Russia would be an impoverished Third World nation. (Except that there would be no Third World, because there would have been no Second World without a powerful USSR.) France did the right thing, the smart thing, the only thing they could do. And they still fought a hell of a guerrilla war while under occupation. The whole point of quick surrender was to spare lives against the threat of fighting an impossibly superior foe, and that strategy succeeded. France still prevailed at the end, and the Third Reich lost.


American's don't understand Blitzkreig and no one could have defended against it? That's funny because Germany actually tried Blitzkreig on us in the Ardennes Forest..and a battle known as the Battle of the Buldge resulted.

France built up their Maginot line and like typical French mentality they got lazy about it and manned/equipped it poorly.
 
2012-09-02 11:08:09 AM  

Fissile: Meet Maité Roël, at 29 years old, she is the youngest official victim of WWI.

Maité Roël's Story


Interesting article....thanks for sharing. I have never thought how they handle benefits and services for the people who still get injured from the munitions.
 
2012-09-02 11:08:16 AM  

dofus


way south: Any 7.62x54R?
I can use it if no one wants.

I've got maybe 100-150 cases.


Please define 'case'. Are you saying you have 100-150 of the 880-round crates? 100-150 spam cans? Something else? Just curious.
 
2012-09-02 11:16:15 AM  
Ewige Blumenkraft
 
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