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2012-09-02 10:08:57 AM  
22 votes:
There's only two REAL reasons to be Republican today:

either wealthy sociopath or ignorant/delusional.

It's pretty damn scary when you think about just how many Americans are willing to swallow obvious lies and vote against the best interests of themselves, their country, and world. And you can FORGET about reasoning pretty much any of them out of it-- their faith in The GOP is very similar to religious faith. You might as well try to reason the average Southren Baptist out of Christianity.

Yes, most of the Democratic leadership is corrupt too, but they aren't trying to lock-step the nation into some kind of bankrupt, theocratic third-world hellhole.
2012-09-02 09:47:33 AM  
22 votes:
Screw you, I got mine (that I or my ancestors used the public infrastructure to help acquire)?

I'm not a big fan of gay people (or insert other minority/minorities here)?

I don't want to pay not stinking taxes to help anyone else (or even myself as I'm too short sighted to see the point of taxes in the bigger picture)!?

I ain't got a pot to piss in, but one day when I've made my millions off what I built without using any public infrastructure, I'm not gonna wanna give it all away to the govment in taxes?

Jesus!?

Obama and the Democrats are after my guns!?

Because Socialism!?

Muslims are out to establish their religious laws in 'Merica and make us Muslim, and someone has to stop them (and I totally don't understand why people are opposed to using the Bible as the basis for our laws in 'Merica)!?

I'm against government run health care and other socialisms (but don't touch my Medicare or Social Security!)?
2012-09-02 02:09:16 PM  
20 votes:
Most of those answers can be summed up thus:

"I'm a Republican because I've lived a privileged life, whether I realize it or not. I'm comfortable assuming that because I had the tools to be successful at my disposal, they must be just as accessible to everyone else, and people who aren't as successful as me just didn't try hard enough. I'm a Republican because I don't believe in the government controlling my life, but I believe in it controlling the lives of people who are not like me. I am Republican because I enjoy the advantage of being a white Christian, and I am a Republican because I want that to continue."
2012-09-02 12:48:17 PM  
20 votes:
I was a Republican for many years, most of my time on Fark actually, up until the point that the party abandoned anything looking like Conservative thought--that is responsive tax policy, responsive spending policy, responsive domestic policy, and responsive foreign policy based on actual conditions, as opposed to the whims of a 12 year old who didn't want to share.

I still consider myself fairly Conservative. I still believe in the Constitution--which means church and state don't meld, that we deliver on free speech, the freedom of assembly, and that pesky equality under the law. I don't care what your churches want to do in their own confines, but I do draw the line against mandating that for the rest of the populace. Sadly, what passes for "Conservative" thought nowadays, only seems to like bits and pieces, and wants to take a pupu platter approach wherein the Second Amendment seems to trounce all the others, and the First is just an impediment, as is the Fifth and the 12th and the 14th.

The radicalism on the Right has soured me on the Party. And that is really what the RNC Convention highlighted, was the radicalism that the party has taken to heart. It is no longer the "Conservative" party, although it likes to style itself as such, to cloak the radicalism at its heart. "Social Conservatives" are anything but social in that they don't really like their neighbors all that much, and embrace a radical vision of the nation and law, while "Fiscal Conservatives" have taken "tax breaks" to their core, while abandoning anything like intelligent and considered spending policy.

That the party has abandoned Conservatism, for a rebranding of their radicalized agenda to be called as such is what turned me from her ranks. Intelligent and considered thought was what drew me to the party. Considered and intelligent like Snowe of Maine, like William Cohen whom she replaced. Like Margaret Chase Smith. And that saddens me a great deal, because careful and considered thought should be the hallmarks of the Republican party traditionally. As well as for standing by and for the continuance of the republic--and at this point, we have secessionists entrenched within the party itself.

Policy cannot be set into stone, save in the defense of said republic. To strive to deliver the promises of said republic. And the GOP lost her way some time ago, and the voices to bring her back to sanity seem lost in a sea of DERP at this point, and that is what turned me from her entirely. Not because I changed, but because the party has abandoned the defense of the republic and her people, to instead play nothing but politics as a team sport, with peoples' lives as pieces in the game.

If that means that I have to vote for Conservative candidates who happen to be Libertarians, that is what I will do. If that means that the Democrat on the slate is more in line with the policy that continues the promise of the republic, that is what I will vote for. Lately, the Republican candidates, in very few races, have been that voice, and that is what saddens me, because party affiliation at this point means towing a line that is increasingly militant, increasingly radicalized, and increasingly a bad choice for communities and state and nation.

It may take folks like myself leaving the party, and voting against the entrenched interests that have skewed the party towards this sort of "anything to win" strategy that has cost the party its heart and soul. WE did this to ourselves, as a party. We took money, and allowed it to skew the agenda, as a party. We equated cash with voice, and that we cannot blame anyone else for. That so many seem to now equate the team over the ideas, and leap to defend "their" party, even against their interests is particularly damning, because it shows a lack of depth of understanding of fundamental issues, as well as the history of the party.

Right now, we have Republicans looking to slice rights from citizens. The party of Lincoln is looking to disenfranchise millions. By dint of drug policy, by dint of "tough on crime" policies, by dint of immigration "reform" that will limit citizenry, by dint of "voter fraud" protections, and looking to excise the rights of citizens to choose their own path in matters of religion and to assemble even. This is not what I can support, and so long as the party stands in this fashion, I can't support her with my membership, nor can I support candidates who tow this line for the RNC.

Get sane again, and I'll come back, but at this point, the party may have to die a lingering and bitter death before something can rise from its ashes...
2012-09-02 12:34:59 PM  
19 votes:
Why I'm NOT a Republican:

-I believe in a homosexual's right to marriage/civil unions and to receive all the rights and benefits therein
-I believe in the social safety net
-I believe in responsible management of natural resources, not raped-earth glutinous frenzies as proposed by Romney-Ryan
-I believe in a woman's inalienable right to choice and birth control
-I believe in equal pay for equal work
-I'm against shooting wolves from airplanes for sport
-I'm against rabid deregulation
-I believe in Keynesian economics
-I'm not afraid of Shariah Law and nor do I believe it's a threat to American law
-I'm against racial profiling
-I have a sense of humor
2012-09-02 09:43:16 AM  
16 votes:
i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.
2012-09-02 11:49:17 AM  
14 votes:

rumpelstiltskin: Because those Democrats want to take all my money and give it to big-city welfare queens so they can buy $200 sneakers for their 14 kids who sell drugs all day instead of attending school. And don't even get me started on the queers. Bunch of filthy heathens.


[prettysureyourejokingbut]

I'd rather my taxes went up so that every black person in American can use food stamps to buy steaks and Champagne, than to have one more penny of it go to the richest assholes that will move it offshore to avoid paying taxes.
2012-09-02 10:14:51 AM  
13 votes:

WorldCitizen: Screw you, I got mine (that I or my ancestors used the public infrastructure to help acquire)?

I'm not a big fan of gay people (or insert other minority/minorities here)?

I don't want to pay not stinking taxes to help anyone else (or even myself as I'm too short sighted to see the point of taxes in the bigger picture)!?

I ain't got a pot to piss in, but one day when I've made my millions off what I built without using any public infrastructure, I'm not gonna wanna give it all away to the govment in taxes?

Jesus!?

Obama and the Democrats are after my guns!?

Because Socialism!?

Muslims are out to establish their religious laws in 'Merica and make us Muslim, and someone has to stop them (and I totally don't understand why people are opposed to using the Bible as the basis for our laws in 'Merica)!?

I'm against government run health care and other socialisms (but don't touch my Medicare or Social Security!)?


Because I'm an asshole.
2012-09-02 12:16:55 PM  
10 votes:

Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.


No, it's the truth.

When the reason you're against health care reform is because more people will get insured which will mean longer waits for the doctor, then that's just being a selfish asshole.
2012-09-02 01:05:34 PM  
8 votes:
Republicans want less government for the same reason criminals want less cops.
2012-09-02 12:36:20 PM  
7 votes:
i49.tinypic.com

"... So I vote for the party that explicitly shoots down tax cuts for small business owners, and picked a Presidential candidate who made his fortune gutting businesses, raping their assets, and leaving them to pick up the tab for loans he used to give himself bonuses. I'm an idiot."
2012-09-02 11:24:39 AM  
7 votes:
FTA: "My parents taught me individual responsibility. You have to rely on yourself to get you anywhere."

Because democrat's parents taught them to suckle from the government teat? Or did his parents throw him out in the woods as a child and tell him "Survive you pussy, enough of this handholding."

Ridiculous, and no you didn't build that no matter how much work you do on your own. The human species is ill equipped to survive alone. It's a social animal that thrives in groups and builds off of our shared creativity. We have nothing as individuals. We most likely die of exposure or hunger when left to our own bootstrappiness. So while it's fantastic that they believe in accountability for the self, it's also ridiculous to insinuate they are anything without the benefit of a government structure that provides a platform for people to be successful.
2012-09-02 03:19:48 PM  
6 votes:

hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country


We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.
2012-09-02 01:33:36 PM  
6 votes:
I have a few sane, intelligent friends who still vote Republican and I'm baffled by it. They aren't rich, socially conservative or racist.

The only explanation I can come up with is that the GOP has done a masterful job of creating an illusory Republican party to challenge an imaginary Obama. In the echo chamber of Fox News (and to a lesser extent the mainstream press - in the interest of "fairness"), the Republicans are the conservative party of small government and small business, of personal responsibility and fiscal sanity. Democrats, by contrast, are the party led by a scary Black man that wants to take away your freedom, and turn the US into Sweden and your sons into queens. It's a bit harder to maintain the Republican illusion in the face of genuine GOP politicians - hence the reason "Generic Republican" frequently polls better than the actual candidate.

No amount of factual evidence to the contrary - such as demonstrating that Democrats have been better stewards of the economy over the last 40 or proving that Obama's politics are aligned with Eisenhower rather than Stalin - will change these people's minds, and I've given up trying.
2012-09-02 12:37:09 PM  
6 votes:

skipjack: Yes yes....i'm a troll because I dare point out the obvious.


You're a troll because you called a thread a circle-jerk and didn't contribute anything to the thread.
2012-09-02 12:18:52 PM  
6 votes:
I used to be a republican because I believe in small government and individual rights. Unfortunately the republican party no longer agrees with me.
2012-09-02 12:38:09 PM  
5 votes:
The TL/DR version from the FTFA:

Casey Pick - Because Jesus
Dan Bognino - Fark IndependentTM
Dave Myers - Delusional
Nikki Haley - Delusional (Republicans aren't going to make decisiona for you and your family - seriously?)
Herman Cain - I have mine so fark you
Mitch McConnell - The Federal Government is scary and oppressive - be very afraid
Mary Burke-Russell - Genetics
Scott Thomas - I'm going to have mine, so fark you
Tony O'Donnell - Because Reagan
Ron Morrell - Fark IndepndentTM
Alexander Reber - I have a man crush on [Virginia Gov.] Bob McDonnell. Otherwise, my spending priorities align with Democrats.
Michael Carr - Delusional Libertarian
Betty Heinamen - Social conservative
JoAnn Fisher - I hate Mexicans
April Bengivenga - Because Reagan and scary Black Man
2012-09-02 03:08:28 PM  
4 votes:

Riche: There's only two REAL reasons to be Republican today:

either wealthy sociopath or ignorant/delusional.

It's pretty damn scary when you think about just how many Americans are willing to swallow obvious lies and vote against the best interests of themselves, their country, and world. And you can FORGET about reasoning pretty much any of them out of it-- their faith in The GOP is very similar to religious faith. You might as well try to reason the average Southren Baptist out of Christianity.

Yes, most of the Democratic leadership is corrupt too, but they aren't trying to lock-step the nation into some kind of bankrupt, theocratic third-world hellhole.


You know, demonizing and writing off (respectively) those who oppose you is exactly what the Republicans are doing to the Democrats.

Christ. You're right to some extent, but really, really, REALLY oversimplifying things. For example: where does Condi Rice fit in? Susan Collins? Rick Snyder?

I work for a non-profit and a good % of our supporters are polling for Romney. Not a majority, and I don't have the numbers in front of me.

Even though his "positions" (like he actually has any freaking policy proposals on the table) would roll back things that a) we've worked for for years and years and b) that our supporters agree are important, enough to get involved with donations or other types of support.

Reasons I've figured from talking to people:

1. Too damn busy trying to put food on the table and/or too overwhelmed with information to pay attention... rough time, and these people usually say "I'm unsure... maybe Romney" by default.

2. Born and raised Republican, slightly better than middle class, but not 100% comfortable by any means. Even if the numbers say that Obama is a better choice for their bottom line, they see things like ACA as things that will cost them more. And they aren't 100% secure, especially with seeing retirement portfolios crash, so they'd rather not "subsidize" others even if it would help them in the long run. This isn't entirely ignorance, it's more just a showing of where their values lie.

3. A few liberals and libertarians here and there pissed off at Obama generally about things pretty damn trivial in the long run, often that happened because his hands were tied (Guantanamo) or cleanup after Dubya (bailouts). I'll admit both could be handled better, but for some stupid reason these people focus on those over the big picture.

4. Eisenhower honest fiscal conservative Republicans who probably don't vote straight ticket anymore, and who probably switched to Obama last election because even they couldn't stomach Palin. They're also "maybe Romney", but in smaller races like state house I've had them wholeheartedly support the Democratic candidate if the Republican one is too crazy even for them. They pretty much have nowhere else to go. Although I have met people who had last straws and finally switched to Dem or Independent - ran across two waves of this, one with Palin, one with Akin. They couldn't ignore the crazy anymore.

And then, yes, the wealthy and the willfully stupid. Often what you're labeling as "willfully stupid" are just one issue voters. But some of them are just idiots.

I have a feeling that the debates, depending on how much Obama actually pins down Romney on not having f--king substance behind his "lofty" ideals, will switch over a good # of them.

/my two cents
2012-09-02 01:57:33 PM  
4 votes:

tony41454: "I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."


Republicans do that too.

Granted they're babies in foreign nations but still the same premise...
2012-09-02 01:56:12 PM  
4 votes:

WorldCitizen: So has anyone in this thread yet actually provided actual reasons to be a modern Republican? I saw the one who said something like "I believe in conservative ideology" which is a total non-answer. Anyone going to defend the modern Republican Party?


I can think of reasons...single issue voters who believe abortion is evil and needs to be stopped. people who want a 'family values' candidate. People who (for whatever reason) think the GOP is a 'pro-business' party. we might not agree with their reasons, but to them it's valid enough to support Romney with their time, money and votes. personally I think the GOP is playing single issue voters off one another to forge an uneasy alliance that they hope will be strong enough to stand up to Obama. that's why the party doesn't have a coherent message - they can't be coherent without losing a significant portion of their voter base. it's a balancing act that they have to get just right or everything will explode around 'em.

Now if you want to discuss all the reasons why the GOP factionalism is going to kill them come November, that's perfectly fine with me. But you have to concede the point that to the rank and file GOP voters, their reasons for supporting the Republican party are good enough for them. ain't no law says you can't vote for a bunch of religious pro-business nutballs.
2012-09-02 12:44:10 PM  
4 votes:
i46.tinypic.com

"I've been trained to hate myself."
2012-09-02 12:26:06 PM  
4 votes:

zappaisfrank: Just more bullshiat from "Pretend Obama Land". It would be funnier if it weren't so farkin' pathetic.


They really are running against an Obama that only they can see
2012-09-02 12:16:49 PM  
4 votes:
why I'm not a Republican:

Stumping on abortion as a major platform issue.
Christianity in government

Gimme a call after you've backed away from those two things, no promises but I'll reconsider.
2012-09-02 12:11:12 PM  
4 votes:

EnviroDude: I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.


You're bringing up 3 year old, busted talking points? Oh my god, you are so screwed in November.
2012-09-02 10:58:42 PM  
3 votes:
img843.imageshack.us
2012-09-02 04:09:47 PM  
3 votes:
randomjsa: I'm a Republican because anyone who is paying attention can plainly see that Democrats maintain and continue to buy their way in to power by finding new and interesting ways to write government checks to as many people as possible and if the country goes broke in the process that's just fine because long term success or failure never mattered to a liberal anyway, only intentions.

As opposed to writing checks to bankers who, after using it to leverage actual wealth out of the hands of the working class, turn it into derivatives, the derivatives into confetti and then - after getting "free money" from we the people to replace it - promptly shove it up their asses? I think sammiches and bus passes are cheaper and more useful. Thanks.
2012-09-02 02:49:26 PM  
3 votes:

hubiestubert: I was a Republican for many years, most of my time on Fark actually, up until the point that the party abandoned anything looking like Conservative thought--that is responsive tax policy, responsive spending policy, responsive domestic policy, and responsive foreign policy based on actual conditions, as opposed to the whims of a 12 year old who didn't want to share. (...)


Hubie, even when you identified as a Conservative, I always found your posts to be insightful and intelligent, which is why you are currently my only favorited person here. I'm awfully glad you *are* here, because you help provide a reasonable perspective on things. Personally, I'm registered as "no party affiliation", and wish I were half as eloquent as you in saying what I think. Most times you do say what I think, and I appreciate that. I'm not licking anyone's ass here, but I think credit should be given when due.
2012-09-02 02:45:02 PM  
3 votes:

tony41454: As opposed to:
"I am a Democrat 'cuz Obamah gives me free stuff."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe in Utopia on Earth where Iranians kiss Jews and trees and snail darters are more important than people."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz de President is ah BLACK man."

Seems the stocks of Kool-Aid have gone up dramatically.


And here is a big reason I'm not a republcan. They have people like this scumbag, who has a history of praying for the death of people, and thinks its justified and noble. Someone who goes out of his way to maliciously post personal information of other farkers, including phone numbers and addresses, because they disagreed with him.

I'm still baffled why this asshole hasn't been banned yet.
2012-09-02 01:42:22 PM  
3 votes:
I'm a Republican because... (check one)

A. I'm rich, want to get richer, and don't give a shiat about anyone else.
B. I'm not rich, but I'm an idiot who votes for people who will make life worse for me and my family.
2012-09-02 01:21:19 PM  
3 votes:
Why I'm a Democrat

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ftfm
2012-09-02 01:04:07 PM  
3 votes:
i49.tinypic.com

"I wasn't accepted to college."
2012-09-02 12:54:46 PM  
3 votes:
i45.tinypic.com

"So what I'm saying is that I support the party that wants to destroy the social safety net so people who have more money than they could possibly spend in their lifetime will have a little more. I mean, if I, the white male child of a stable upper-middle-class family can make it on my own, why can't unemployed people just work at their dad's company until he can line them up with a job somewhere else? Freeloaders."
2012-09-02 12:49:43 PM  
3 votes:
I'm not a Republican because I care about my daughters.
2012-09-02 12:41:33 PM  
3 votes:
i45.tinypic.com

"A B-list actor who intentionally stalled the release of the Iranian hostages as President? So dreamy!!! Black people scare me, because they want to steal from me."
2012-09-02 12:37:14 PM  
3 votes:
There's no excuse for it anymore. Republicans are cultists, of the worst sort. Completely dishonest, delusional, and full of malice.
2012-09-02 12:27:06 PM  
3 votes:
Because f*ck you, that's why.
2012-09-02 10:36:17 AM  
3 votes:
freeversephotography.com
/not going to read through all of them, but I assume this is in there
2012-09-02 10:32:47 AM  
3 votes:
You misspelled Rapeublican, Subby.
2012-09-02 10:31:19 AM  
3 votes:

Riche: either wealthy sociopath or ignorant/delusional.


There's no reason they can't be both. So many are.
2012-09-02 08:57:17 PM  
2 votes:
RicardoKlemnet: On paper, and without the recent backtracking, back peddling and retconning by his campaign, Romney and Obama may look somewhat similar. Healthcare plans, very similar. Romney signed marriage equality into law. The difference is, Romney does what is expedient at the time, and then disavows any responsibility. Worse, when in control of other peoples' money, he tends to be quite good at distributing to friends. From his time with the Board at UMaine. From his time with the Olympics. From his time as Governor. He is fantastic at giving away money that isn't his, and getting other people to pay for the privilege of getting saddled with good sized debts for personal goodwill.

My problems with Romney go back to the days before he headed to Utah. His favorite pick for Chancellor of the UMaine system got the most No Confidence votes of any Chancellor in the UMaine system's history--who implemented a LOT of great building projects that met current needs for the schools, yet, left the system on the hook for expansions, that further put the system to foot the bill for those projects, as opposed to simply allowing for growth. That wasn't a glitch, that was a feature. The same contractors who got those projects, were then on a preferred list to continue those expansions, and thus he delivered long after he left for Utah. This is a similar feature in how Romney operates. Build today, so that you will still have to build tomorrow, and probably long after he's gone. This is no where near good Conservatism, but it IS a feature of feeding off the largess of the taxpayers. He LIKES to soak a bill, that makes him look good while he's in office, and take a LOT of credit for all that he's done, even if it's nowhere near enough.

He only signed the bill for marriage equality, because it was a losing issue to oppose. Romney could have been over ridden by the state Senate, and that would have been a losing proposition for his Presidential bid--something he's been keen to avoid discussing.

As a Mass resident, I watched him preside over plunging schools, and do little to even attempt to rectify things. He likes to claim a lot, except his own failures. This is not a bug, it is also a feature. His recent "flexibility" with the truth is NOT terribly recent. It is a feature, and while I joke about Schrodinger's Candidate a lot, he has ALWAYS been on both sides of an issue for as long as possible. He is a man with a highly evolved sense of "situational ethics" so long as by that you mean, "what situation can I meld what I've done with what the people in front of me want." He is about as far from principled as you can get, just an amorphous blob that will try to retconn his past, and that is not something I ever want to see in office. In any case.

From his spending policy, to his "advanced" situational ethics, we cannot afford to put this amoral opportunist anywhere near the White House. We can't afford a Romney Presidency. Our grandkids can't afford a Romney Presidency. As bad as GW was with the handing over Federal funds at every opportunity, Romney will make GW look like a babe in the woods. A Romney Presidency isn't just for sale, it's essentially been considered an investment by folks who already have profited heavily from the previous debacle and feeding frenzy of the GW's economic policy--and disastrous debts that he approved, and the folks who are looking to put Romney in office are putting large amounts of cash on him as an investment, that they will CERTAINLY expect a return on.
2012-09-02 08:24:27 PM  
2 votes:

Ricardo Klement: Let me tell you why I am Republican:

1) My economics education leaves me unconvinced that Keynesian economics can work. The math doesn't seem to support it, although I can appreciate the point of view and the argument that, "...we're all dead in the long-run." And while my economic puritanism runs afoul of Republicans when it comes to funding things like the NIH, NASA, and Department of Education, it's still closer to what the GOP at least pays lip-service to than what the Democratic Party believes. This doesn't mean I think that Democrats are morons. We just disagree.

2) I'm pro-life. Of course, that, too, runs afoul of the GOP because I am also against the death penalty. But while my position is unpopular, more often than not, it's usually met with begging the question assertions about women's bodies that are unconvincing. I'm not absolut or completely without doubts about my position, but being wrong about mine is less tragic than being wrong about the alternative view.

3) I'm hawkish on foreign policy. This means, of course, I'm no libertarian isolationist. My hawkishness is not without limits. For the record, I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, but was not against an impeachment investigation for his being wrong about Iraq. (That's generous. He royally pissed me off.) Anyway, that means I tend to be at odds with Democrats on defense spending.

4) I want to keep fighting the whackjobs in the GOP who have taken the party in a direction it should never have gone. Namely, increasing government interference in our lives in the name of religion. It may be a religion I share, but it's not a religion I believe should be removing free will by creating laws against sins that are God's to punish. 

That's the top reasons. I reserve the right to have more opinions.


We really need you around here. I don't agree with a lot of what you said, but I can take you seriously. Most people on the right at this point are just raving lunatics who lash out at everything that isn't in lock-step with them. It's becoming harder and harder for me to avoid just dismissing people as soon as they say "I'm a Republican" or "I'm a conservative." So please, keep posting in these threads because I know I'm not the only one that really needs to have some honest debate with people that still identify as a conservative.
2012-09-02 07:58:15 PM  
2 votes:

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: parkthebus: I am a Republican because I was a dirty hippie in college but quickly discovered the liberals had no idea what they were taking about. My years of experience in the real world has only buffered this perception. Neither side is always right, but on balance the GOP gets it right far more than the Democrats. Intellectually I'm more of a libertarian, but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.

This post is code for, "I had decent instincts when I was younger, but the holistic nature of the propaganda model worked on me over time."

I read it as "I got nothing so let me just put some vague crap out there without evidence for conclusions."



It's strange for conservatives to take the "they know nothing!" argument when they turn around and complain that universities are full of professors who spread liberal propaganda. If some of the most intelligent and educated people in the country are more liberal than most, then that says something about liberal ideology.

If you listen to climate deniers rather than educated scientists with evidence to back up their positions, you can't claim to be the party that knows what they are talking about
2012-09-02 07:53:52 PM  
2 votes:

intelligent comment below: Ricardo Klement: I'm pro-life.

Ricardo Klement: Namely, increasing government interference in our lives in the name of religion.


WUT


Well, to be fair, he acknowledges the difference between believing something is morally wrong and believing something should be illegal. If people want to believe that abortion, or being gay, or interracial marriage, or whatever, is morally wrong then good for them. That's their opinion and that's fine with me. It's when that moral belief becomes a call for state intervention that it becomes a problem.
2012-09-02 07:05:41 PM  
2 votes:
Let me tell you why I am Republican:

1) My economics education leaves me unconvinced that Keynesian economics can work. The math doesn't seem to support it, although I can appreciate the point of view and the argument that, "...we're all dead in the long-run." And while my economic puritanism runs afoul of Republicans when it comes to funding things like the NIH, NASA, and Department of Education, it's still closer to what the GOP at least pays lip-service to than what the Democratic Party believes. This doesn't mean I think that Democrats are morons. We just disagree.

2) I'm pro-life. Of course, that, too, runs afoul of the GOP because I am also against the death penalty. But while my position is unpopular, more often than not, it's usually met with begging the question assertions about women's bodies that are unconvincing. I'm not absolut or completely without doubts about my position, but being wrong about mine is less tragic than being wrong about the alternative view.

3) I'm hawkish on foreign policy. This means, of course, I'm no libertarian isolationist. My hawkishness is not without limits. For the record, I gave Bush the benefit of the doubt on Iraq, but was not against an impeachment investigation for his being wrong about Iraq. (That's generous. He royally pissed me off.) Anyway, that means I tend to be at odds with Democrats on defense spending.

4) I want to keep fighting the whackjobs in the GOP who have taken the party in a direction it should never have gone. Namely, increasing government interference in our lives in the name of religion. It may be a religion I share, but it's not a religion I believe should be removing free will by creating laws against sins that are God's to punish. 

That's the top reasons. I reserve the right to have more opinions.
2012-09-02 06:23:08 PM  
2 votes:

The Troof hurts: So you went with the party that will NEVER believe in small government and individual rights?


The republicans are the party of small government and individual rights? Are you people farking serious? Who started The Patriot Act? Enacted holding people without due process? Are pro-life? Anti-birth control? Ant-gay marriage? Anti-gays in the military? HOW THE FARK are you people pro-individual rights?

And before you say it, The democrats aren't after your farking guns.
2012-09-02 05:29:20 PM  
2 votes:

RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash


I did click on those profiles...and I saw a lot of denial and no awareness of the lies told by Team Romney. dude - this convention went WAY beyond the norm for political campaigns. this convention was almost pure fiction. very little reality invaded the convention floor.
2012-09-02 05:21:24 PM  
2 votes:

gold6: I have a serious question as I read these. Most of them are all about the government interfering in their lives, and wanting to have the ability to make their own decisions. As I was initially led to believe, Republicans are the party of "small government." Then why on EARTH are they trying to interfere in a woman's RIGHT to make her own decisions (birth control/abortions), a person's RIGHT to marry who they love (gay marriage), and many others. I honestly don't understand how they can merge these beliefs together. They don't want their rights oppressed, but it is alright for the government to interfere when it is something they don't agree with?



Because they're sanctimonious hypocrites.
2012-09-02 04:26:21 PM  
2 votes:

Snark Shark II: That's what it's come down to because both parties have embraced their extremists the last 10 years.


No, now that's just moving the meter over to "both parties are bad." This is another thing the "both parties are the same" crowd try to do to make their simplistic yet non-negotiable and incomplete paradigm seem not just valid, but superior. Both parties might not be ideal for everybody, but for very different reasons. Both parties might wind up being less than effective in the end, but for very different reasons. America might wind up in the right of center after all is said and done, but it isn't because one party won and the results are indecipherable from the expected results of the other party winning.

Face it. Both parties are different, and it has been a few years since they have been as starkly different as they are now. But it is not, in any way shape or form, because the Democrats have gone to the extreme left to counterbalance an extreme right shift by the GOP. This is a fantastical conclusion, and a strangely complex one at that, considering it is coming from an almost clinically lazy form of philosophical egalitarianism.
2012-09-02 04:05:37 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: I'm a Republican because anyone who is paying attention can plainly see that Democrats maintain and continue to buy their way in to power by finding new and interesting ways to write government checks to as many people as possible and if the country goes broke in the process that's just fine because long term success or failure never mattered to a liberal anyway, only intentions.


Like defense contractors?
2012-09-02 03:51:09 PM  
2 votes:

parkthebus: I'm more of a libertarian, but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.


You do realize that the Republican party is pretty much wholly responsible for the fiscal mess our country is currently in, don't you.

If Al Gore had been elected instead of George Bush, this country would probably be in pretty good fiscal shape. But, because of unfunded wars, unfunded new entitlements and massive tax cuts enacted during the Bush years, the country has seen $1 trillion+ deficits for the last several years. And, we'll probably be seeing large deficits for years to come.

The financial crisis would probably still have happened though, since Democrats joined Republicans in ending the handful of regulations on Big Finance that had stabilized that sector since the Great Depression.

www.motherjones.com
2012-09-02 03:36:37 PM  
2 votes:

tony41454: As opposed to:
"I am a Democrat 'cuz Obamah gives me free stuff."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe in Utopia on Earth where Iranians kiss Jews and trees and snail darters are more important than people."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz de President is ah BLACK man."

Seems the stocks of Kool-Aid have gone up dramatically.


"I am a Democrat because I'm not in denial and know that everyone pays taxes and that tax money is used for things that are beneficial to all. You didn't pay for the road, I didn't pay for the road, we all paid for the road through taxes and it benefits all of us."
"I am a Democrat because a Democrat killed Osama Bin Laden and kills Al Qaeda #2's with drones"
"I am a Democrat because as much as I hate abortion, the government's place is not in a woman's uterus, and Democrats actually try to prevent unwanted pregnancies"
"I am a Democrat because the President cares about more than just the top 1%"
2012-09-02 03:06:05 PM  
2 votes:

bglove25: Rann Xerox: Dave Myers, 23, Maryland delegate

"My parents taught me individual responsibility. You have to rely on yourself to get you anywhere."


No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

As if that guy would know John Donne or how to read.


It's not meant for him because he is a lost cause. Perhaps the metaphysical meaning of the poem can serve as a lifeline for someone else who is on the verge of sharing his way of thinking.
2012-09-02 02:35:28 PM  
2 votes:
Dave Myers, 23, Maryland delegate

"My parents taught me individual responsibility. You have to rely on yourself to get you anywhere."


upload.wikimedia.org

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.

2012-09-02 02:34:15 PM  
2 votes:

hubiestubert: I was a Republican for many years, most of my time on Fark actually, up until the point that the party abandoned anything looking like Conservative thought--that is responsive tax policy, responsive spending policy, responsive domestic policy, and responsive foreign policy based on actual conditions, as opposed to the whims of a 12 year old who didn't want to share.

I still consider myself fairly Conservative. I still believe in the Constitution--which means church and state don't meld, that we deliver on free speech, the freedom of assembly, and that pesky equality under the law. I don't care what your churches want to do in their own confines, but I do draw the line against mandating that for the rest of the populace. Sadly, what passes for "Conservative" thought nowadays, only seems to like bits and pieces, and wants to take a pupu platter approach wherein the Second Amendment seems to trounce all the others, and the First is just an impediment, as is the Fifth and the 12th and the 14th.

The radicalism on the Right has soured me on the Party. And that is really what the RNC Convention highlighted, was the radicalism that the party has taken to heart. It is no longer the "Conservative" party, although it likes to style itself as such, to cloak the radicalism at its heart. "Social Conservatives" are anything but social in that they don't really like their neighbors all that much, and embrace a radical vision of the nation and law, while "Fiscal Conservatives" have taken "tax breaks" to their core, while abandoning anything like intelligent and considered spending policy.

That the party has abandoned Conservatism, for a rebranding of their radicalized agenda to be called as such is what turned me from her ranks. Intelligent and considered thought was what drew me to the party. Considered and intelligent like Snowe of Maine, like William Cohen whom she replaced. Like Margaret Chase Smith. And that saddens me a great deal, because careful and considered thought sho ...


That caused me to favorite you as a "sane conservative" - in red of course. ;)

I have always considered myself a liberal independent, but some of my views are pretty conservative, and I wanted to be able to vote for Huntsman. Since the radicals of the right took that choice away from me, and since the last 5 choices of the R's were all anywhere from batshiat insane to ah-fark-no, I am left voting Obama, if for no other reason than to keep Romney out of office. That said, I plan to vote for the Republican gubernatorial candidate here in Washington.

/That is what real independents do - weigh the merits of each candidate on their own
//damn hard to do with the cultist GOP though right now
2012-09-02 01:54:37 PM  
2 votes:

tony41454: As opposed to:
"I am a Democrat 'cuz Obamah gives me free stuff."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe in Utopia on Earth where Iranians kiss Jews and trees and snail darters are more important than people."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz de President is ah BLACK man."

Seems the stocks of Kool-Aid have gone up dramatically.


-10/10 

A fart would've been more enlightening than this post.
2012-09-02 01:06:36 PM  
2 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x440]

"I wasn't accepted to college."


That and I'm out of college and pay taxes.

I just find it ludicrous that it's our god-given duty as Americans to pay for shiny new toys the Defense Department doesn't even want but it's a sign of the Republic dying when people get health insurance.

In other words, I don't mind paying taxes for services as long as their effective, which the GOP seems to be going to great lengths to prevent from happening in order to reinforce their morally bankrupt ideology.
2012-09-02 12:57:09 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Why are you a Republican? Republicans aren't a conservative party. Over the last 30 years they've been anything but fiscally conservative. They've been anything but socially conservative as well. Why are you a Republican?


You mean like this?

blogs-images.forbes.com
2012-09-02 12:38:54 PM  
2 votes:
Because you're rich or you're a farking idiot, or both, that's why.
2012-09-02 12:38:50 PM  
2 votes:
Having read that, each person says basically one of three things:

I'm a libertarian, and I like being tied down to a party that only tangentially follows my beliefs

Ronald Reagan, or some other person, inspired me to be a Republican

I completely fail to understand the issues, and think both parties do the opposite of what they actually do.
2012-09-02 12:28:47 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: zappaisfrank: Just more bullshiat from "Pretend Obama Land". It would be funnier if it weren't so farkin' pathetic.

They really are running against an Obama that only they can see



"I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them." -Adlai Stevenson
2012-09-02 12:22:55 PM  
2 votes:
Slight mental retardation?
2012-09-02 12:22:42 PM  
2 votes:
www.politifake.org
2012-09-02 12:17:00 PM  
2 votes:

Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.


Right, because Republican tolerance involves repeated usage of words like Libtard, Marxist, Socialist, Kenyan Muslim Usurper, America Hater, Liberal Scum, etc.

You have no argument there, Vin boy...seriously.
2012-09-02 12:11:57 PM  
2 votes:
My party has failed me. It's been infiltrated by idiots and assholes. This November I'm voting for zombie Reagan.
2012-09-02 11:59:02 AM  
2 votes:

EnviroDude: I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.


Sounding less bootstrappy by the minute.
2012-09-02 11:23:43 AM  
2 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.

That's quite a projection complex you have there. Counseling can help. And there's medication too, if you can afford it.


Thanks to health care reform, he's got a better chance.
2012-09-02 11:05:47 AM  
2 votes:
Alexander Reber

21, alternate delegate from Virginia, head of University of Virginia student legislature.


"It was because of [Virginia Gov.] Bob McDonnell. I met him at an event, and he was focused on higher education, transportation, smaller government. All the things I'm interested in."


Guess you're very disappointed.
2012-09-02 10:09:43 AM  
2 votes:
Because those Democrats want to take all my money and give it to big-city welfare queens so they can buy $200 sneakers for their 14 kids who sell drugs all day instead of attending school. And don't even get me started on the queers. Bunch of filthy heathens.
2012-09-02 10:04:10 AM  
2 votes:

WorldCitizen: Screw you, I got mine (that I or my ancestors used the public infrastructure to help acquire)?

I'm not a big fan of gay people (or insert other minority/minorities here)?

I don't want to pay not stinking taxes to help anyone else (or even myself as I'm too short sighted to see the point of taxes in the bigger picture)!?

I ain't got a pot to piss in, but one day when I've made my millions off what I built without using any public infrastructure, I'm not gonna wanna give it all away to the govment in taxes?

Jesus!?

Obama and the Democrats are after my guns!?

Because Socialism!?

Muslims are out to establish their religious laws in 'Merica and make us Muslim, and someone has to stop them (and I totally don't understand why people are opposed to using the Bible as the basis for our laws in 'Merica)!?

I'm against government run health care and other socialisms (but don't touch my Medicare or Social Security!)?


The president's a blah person.
2012-09-04 11:41:00 AM  
1 votes:
o5iiawah: The GOP is leaning more and more towards a platform of fiscal conservatism since social conservatism is no longer a winner.

Yeah, we need more of that.

joshanderson.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-04 09:58:40 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.


media.tumblr.com


/ "An empty chair told me so!" doesn't count.
2012-09-03 08:22:04 PM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement:

Privatizing prisons has to be carefully regulated, but it can save money.


Prisons should never be privatized.
As long as we (the state) chooses to try, convict and incarcerate those people who choose to break our (the state's) laws, then it is our (the state's) responsibility to see to their needs, whatever the cost.
If we can't handle that cost, then maybe we shouldn't lock people up. We need to determine if the society we want is worth that cost instead of finding the cheapest way to put the most people behind bars.
2012-09-03 02:37:19 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: if I disagree with you, that does not qualify me as a troll. Is this in anyway unclear?


FYI, differing points of view are supposed to based at least somewhat on fact. If one point of view only serves to differ and is completely baseless, the more polite people assume it is "trolling" or "joking" or "having a seizure." It's the internet, and finally the crazy, the ignorant, the perverted, and the downright unpleasant finally have a voice, but so do the people who look down upon them.
2012-09-03 11:22:32 AM  
1 votes:
There are no liberals. There are no conservatives. There are damn few actual centrists.

All that crap was made up years ago by the people doing the play by play from the bench and frankly, those, and almost every other adjectives in american English, have been truncated, re-allocated, masticated and spit back out - bereft of meaning - and poorly spelled by a broad range of subgroups in a fractured culture.

And the people on the wrench turning end of that culture have figured out that if you weren't born on third base, you should probably just sit on the bench cause you ain't gonna get to bat. Start worrying about that and all this penny ante, semantic harrumphing will suddenly become as obviously moot as all the cats who are mowing your lawn and washing your car already know it is. When you start having to shoehorn the actualities of your political ideals into shopworn templates of what they're SUPPOSED to be, you're managing to sustain neither. You're just one more legs-in-the-air hypocrite trying to wedge your fat, size 12 ass into a pair of size 7 Levis and hope you can suck your gut in until the votes are counted.

In the mean time, keep barking at all the people who aren't waving YOUR subgroup's flag and come to think of it, that guy waving what looks like your flag seems to have one that's a little faded. Keep an eye on that sonofab*tch, too. And buy lots of labels and markers One nation. Under a common delusion. Gullible. With spoon fed malarkey for all.
2012-09-03 09:27:42 AM  
1 votes:
o5iiawah: Your taxes dont go to Rich people.

Corporate welfare

http://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html
2012-09-03 09:18:18 AM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: Your taxes dont go to Rich people.


Anti-socialist Bachmann got $250K in federal farm subsidies

http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthrush/1209/Antisocialist_Bachmann _ got_250k_in_federal_farm_subsidies.html
2012-09-03 08:49:36 AM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: There are pro-life atheists. And while I'm not an atheist, I came to my conclusion without the need to resort to religious arguments. Whether a fetus is a person is not something where the answer seems obvious to me. I'm actually for abortion when the life of the mother is at stake, which sometimes is only discovered in the last trimester. I'm not an absolutist and I'm open to the discussion. I'm not actually comfortable banning the morning after pill, so my pro-lifeness is not nearly so strong as the GOP's has been in general. But you may be right: I haven't developed a Grand Unification Theory of my positions. In my defense, I bet that's rare for anyone.


Weather or not the fetus is a person or not always seemed to me to be a diversion from the more fundamental issue of whether it has the right to enslave the mother as a life support system. If it doesn't, then abortion should, at the very least, be legal up until the point of viability.

Even if a zygote were entitled to the full spectrum of constitutional rights, it's hard to see how the right to force another person to keep them alive would be included. It would be akin to forcing someone with a tissue match to donate a kidney (or some other redundant organ) to save a life.

From another angle, Conservatives are usually staunch defenders of the Castle Doctrine with respect to protecting their homes. I don't understand why so many of them begrudge women the right to protect their bodies the same way.
2012-09-03 05:15:45 AM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below: buckler: intelligent comment below: the.swartz: buckler: As it is, we're just getting a bunch of yahoos screaming at each other, and trying to silence each other. That's not the way it's supposed to work. I think this is why the Founders came out as opposed to political parties in the first place.

Brilliant. Nicely stated. Most accurate thing I have seen in any political thread.


The founders were also opposed to a standing permanent army but that doesn't stop society from accepting it today

They also put forth the second amendment with the justification that we need local militias, but we don't see many of those.


You do. They're called the National Guard and local police forces


If a hostile foreign military appeared on US soil (not talking about embassy's) you would see an angry shiatload of well equipped militias in a heartbeat.
2012-09-03 12:58:41 AM  
1 votes:

bunner: Jadedgrl: Pro-life men. Yawn. Call me if you grow a uterus- then maybe you'll be allowed an opinion on the subject that matters.

Maybe when you can learn to make sperm out of Cool Whip, Sprite and mayo, you can have the *only* opinion on the subject. : )


All the sperm in the world doesn't matter without a woman willing to carry it. Something I'm sure the majority of Republican men have trouble finding.
Besides, synthetic sperm cells are able to be made
from embryonic stem cells and even bone marrow. Go ahead, look it up. So no, actually you're not that needed. :) Not that any self respecting woman would lay with someone who doesn't think she should have control over her reproductive choices.
2012-09-02 10:41:15 PM  
1 votes:
Being a republican is a character flaw. Plain and simple. (emphasis on simple)
2012-09-02 10:22:15 PM  
1 votes:
Why I'm a Republican:

newscoma.com
2012-09-02 08:47:54 PM  
1 votes:

ignatius_crumbcake: 2wolves: ignatius_crumbcake: And I'm married to Scarlett Johansson Christiana Hendricks.

If you're going to dream, dream BIG.

Nah, Scarlett is 10 years younger and has more money.


I'm in my 50s and don't care about the money.
2012-09-02 08:35:24 PM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: WorldCitizen: Ricardo Klement: So Romney v. Obama? If one looks to history, they're pretty similar. So the question is whether I want to see Congress' agenda realized, or do I want continued gridlock.

Well, only one of them is running on the promise to keep me separated from my partner.

That's a very good point, and it's one I disagree with the GOP on both in policy and even in principle. I fully support your right to get married and that issue ALONE might be enough to get me to vote for Obama instead of Gary Johnson or Romney. It seems to me that it simply overshadows all other issues because of the damage the fight against your rights does.


Well, I know my partner and I would appreciate it; living on separate continents and through Skype blows. And I appreciate your general support.
2012-09-02 08:30:40 PM  
1 votes:

WorldCitizen: Ricardo Klement: So Romney v. Obama? If one looks to history, they're pretty similar. So the question is whether I want to see Congress' agenda realized, or do I want continued gridlock.

Well, only one of them is running on the promise to keep me separated from my partner.


That's a very good point, and it's one I disagree with the GOP on both in policy and even in principle. I fully support your right to get married and that issue ALONE might be enough to get me to vote for Obama instead of Gary Johnson or Romney. It seems to me that it simply overshadows all other issues because of the damage the fight against your rights does.
2012-09-02 08:22:12 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: Mugato: Ricardo Klement: 3) I'm hawkish on foreign policy

Doesn't that go against the whole "pro-life, anti-death penalty" thing?

Well anyway, at least you presented your reasoning in a reasoned manner, even if a lot of it was back handed compliments to the party at best.

It's odd that some of the most hawkish pols nowadays are supported by people whose attitude is "Let them fix their own damn countries"...a pure an isolationism as we had before WWI.

Do people not even listen to themselves talk?


I'm actually for foreign aid because exports go up the richer other countries are, and you can help get that started with some capital expenditures - so long as they're not corrupt. Build a road in some backwards place and it eventually helps you.
2012-09-02 08:21:26 PM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: austerity101: Ricardo Klement: Let me tell you why I am Republican:

[...]

2) I'm pro-life. Of course, that, too, runs afoul of the GOP because I am also against the death penalty. But while my position is unpopular, more often than not, it's usually met with begging the question assertions about women's bodies that are unconvincing. I'm not absolut or completely without doubts about my position, but being wrong about mine is less tragic than being wrong about the alternative view.

I don't understand why being pro-life or pro-choice should have anything to do with a political party--believing something is wrong and wanting it to be illegal are two different things. The problem is, when you make abortion illegal, it gets worse--women have more of them, and much more dangerously, putting their lives (to say nothing of the fetuses') in significant peril.

Whatever your personal opinion on abortion, your choices are 1) make it illegal and let women die from the ones they will get regardless of the law or 2) make them legal and regulated so that they can be as safe as possible for the women who will get them, since they will get them.

I have never seen evidence supporting an assertion that making abortions illegal increases the frequency of abortions.


...because if abortions are illegal then there is no way to accurately track their occurrence. Actually, making abortions illegal decreases the frequency of "abortions" (i.e. only the ones officially allowed to protect the life of the mother); but it greatly increases the number of criminal actions leading to the death of a fetus. It also increases the number of fatalities due to "self-induced" criminal actions leading to the death of a fetus.

You should try to set your strawmen up so they're not so easy to burn down.
2012-09-02 08:14:36 PM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: austerity101: Ricardo Klement: Let me tell you why I am Republican:

[...]

2) I'm pro-life. Of course, that, too, runs afoul of the GOP because I am also against the death penalty. But while my position is unpopular, more often than not, it's usually met with begging the question assertions about women's bodies that are unconvincing. I'm not absolut or completely without doubts about my position, but being wrong about mine is less tragic than being wrong about the alternative view.

I don't understand why being pro-life or pro-choice should have anything to do with a political party--believing something is wrong and wanting it to be illegal are two different things. The problem is, when you make abortion illegal, it gets worse--women have more of them, and much more dangerously, putting their lives (to say nothing of the fetuses') in significant peril.

Whatever your personal opinion on abortion, your choices are 1) make it illegal and let women die from the ones they will get regardless of the law or 2) make them legal and regulated so that they can be as safe as possible for the women who will get them, since they will get them.

I have never seen evidence supporting an assertion that making abortions illegal increases the frequency of abortions.


Then look at teenage pregnancy rates in pro-life crazy Mississippi. Then look at welfare rates there.

The GOP: why solve a problem when you've got Jesus?
2012-09-02 08:12:58 PM  
1 votes:
Kids? The *point* of this whole free election fandango tango isn't to actually effect change or choose a better sock puppet CEO. The point is to give the illusion that we have any say in how things are run at all. It's the consolation prize for showing up at the Ongoing Con Festival™. It's the hot cocoa kit gift box with the freeze dried marshmallows. It's the talking Mickey Mouse plush animal.

This is the government.

www.thenader.com

You? You get back to work. And vote early and vote often. And CHEER FOR YOUR TEAM!

America is a business. And that business is moving to a new storefront. And you ain't got sh*t to say about it except how much you're willing to take to help pack the truck. Nor do I.
2012-09-02 08:12:08 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Ricardo Klement: 3) I'm hawkish on foreign policy

Doesn't that go against the whole "pro-life, anti-death penalty" thing?

Well anyway, at least you presented your reasoning in a reasoned manner, even if a lot of it was back handed compliments to the party at best.


It's odd that some of the most hawkish pols nowadays are supported by people whose attitude is "Let them fix their own damn countries"...a pure an isolationism as we had before WWI.

Do people not even listen to themselves talk?
2012-09-02 08:11:44 PM  
1 votes:

austerity101: Ricardo Klement: Let me tell you why I am Republican:

[...]

2) I'm pro-life. Of course, that, too, runs afoul of the GOP because I am also against the death penalty. But while my position is unpopular, more often than not, it's usually met with begging the question assertions about women's bodies that are unconvincing. I'm not absolut or completely without doubts about my position, but being wrong about mine is less tragic than being wrong about the alternative view.

I don't understand why being pro-life or pro-choice should have anything to do with a political party--believing something is wrong and wanting it to be illegal are two different things. The problem is, when you make abortion illegal, it gets worse--women have more of them, and much more dangerously, putting their lives (to say nothing of the fetuses') in significant peril.

Whatever your personal opinion on abortion, your choices are 1) make it illegal and let women die from the ones they will get regardless of the law or 2) make them legal and regulated so that they can be as safe as possible for the women who will get them, since they will get them.


I have never seen evidence supporting an assertion that making abortions illegal increases the frequency of abortions.
2012-09-02 08:07:30 PM  
1 votes:

bunner: Meanniss: Baby boomers started as hippies aged into yuppies and now have become guppies. Thats progress.

Wanna know how I know you got most of your 20th c. American history from Time Life?


I got my 20th c. American history from living it. I am 50 I grew up at the tail end of the boomers. I have watched people I know make these transitions. A large portion of boomers started out as Idealist turn into consumerist and now have become willing to eat their young if it will keep them fat and secure.
2012-09-02 08:06:12 PM  
1 votes:

intelligent comment below:


It's strange for conservatives to take the "they know nothing!" argument when they turn around and complain that universities are full of professors who spread liberal propaganda. If some of the most intelligent and educated people in the country are more liberal than most, then that says something about liberal ideology.

If you listen to climate deniers rather than educated scientists with evidence to back up their positions, you can't claim to be the party that knows what they are talking about


It's nice of you to say that, but clearly you haven't spent many years working with educated scientists. I have several decades of experience working with public and private sector leaders in scientific areas, and no one in my field is so absolutely convinced of any theory such as the ones you mention. Climate change isn't my field, so I don't have a personal position. But scientists who take political positions (I know some) are not the ones to be listened to. A real scientist will be data-centric only.
2012-09-02 07:54:32 PM  
1 votes:

Spanky McStupid: The abortion issue is a valid complaint against us Republicans; it is a war we simply cannot win in its present state.

I am against Roe vs Wade simply because it should be considered a states rights issue - not adjudicated by a court. There will always be states that ban abortion, just like there will always be states that allow that procedure but getting all butthurt and self-righteous about when life begins is simply insane.

It is not up to anyone to mandate whether or not I carry a baby to term; that is between my conscience and my physician. Personally? I'm pro-life but the decision to terminate a pregnancy is a woman's decision and not my place to force her to act against her conscience.


Wait, does this even make sense?

Did you just say that it's a woman's decision, but that the government (state government) should be allowed to ban her from making that decision against her conscience? If you did just say that...really?

Also, in the modern US we generally consider (thanks to the 14th Amendment), that US citizens have equal rights no matter the state in which they reside. Removing the federal right to privacy of a woman and her own body in this decision would mean that people in some states have a right to privacy that people in other states don't. The Supreme Court has tended to not take too kindly to that.

Of course, right now, as a gay person I don't have the same marriage equality in my state that other American citizens have in other states. I sorta know how it feels to be even more of a second class US citizen in my state than other people are in other US states. And don't get me started on how I feel about Romney and Republicans actively working and campaigning on the promise of keeping me separated on a different continent from my non-American partner by denying me equal federal immigration rights than straight Americans have for their non-American partners (plus, the separation really is starting to take its toll on me making me even less quiet about it..sorry, Farkers). So yeah, way not down with unequal rights between US citizens between the various states.
2012-09-02 07:32:11 PM  
1 votes:

The Troof hurts: The present iteration isn't, but there is always The chance that we could get to that ideal. It will never happen in the democratic party.


Not sure why you believe this. Neither party has shown itself to be the party of smaller government in recent history, and at least one party is unwilling to present itself as such. Being hypocritical in this, the Republicans have essentially shown contempt for the notion of smaller government, just as liars who claim honesty show contempt for the notion of truth. To me, this says the Democratic Party is likelier to begin whittling down the size of government.
2012-09-02 06:34:08 PM  
1 votes:
If you call yourself, donate to, support or do anything associated with the "Republican" party you are nothing but a racist, bigoted, hateful €sshole. Birds of a feather flock together and even if you aren't one of those birds you are supporting them. That makes you a silent partner, just as bad and more cowardly.

Gay use to mean happy and gleeful.
Republican use to mean fiscally responsible and patriotic.
Neither are even remotely close to true today.

Modern "Republicans" are the worst enemy the United States has ever seen because they have infiltrated our Government.
2012-09-02 06:10:10 PM  
1 votes:

the.swartz: Republican ideal: Abe Lincoln being the first Republican president is a good place to start.


Well, then maybe Thomas Jefferson being the first Democratic president is a good place to start, too, eh?

Or, maybe referring back to 19th Century presidents to understand the principles of a 21st Century party isn't very smart.

the.swartz: I also believe, if any sort of history is correct, that this party tends to be more business-minded, and less about sticking noses in personal choices.


That may have been true at one time. It isn't true today.

the.swartz: Tends to be a little more like "the government will provide you with what you need"


Well, if we look at the Democrats historically -- starting with the first Democrat, Thomas Jefferson -- the ideal was this: leave people alone.

The 20th Century Democratic Party was much more interventionist...but, "the government will provide you with what you need" was NEVER an ideal of the Democratic Party.

The programs supported by the Democrats never were intended to act a substitute for personal responsibility. And, in fact, they've never been that.

Your answers indicate what you have imagined the party ideals are, rather than what they are -- either today or historically.

But, the truth is, we don't have to guess or imagine what the parties stand for. Each party, in fact, publishes a list of its ideals every four years in a document usually called the party platform.

/as an aside, I'm neither a Democrat nor a Republican
2012-09-02 05:55:47 PM  
1 votes:
Hey Fark! Can you allow animated .gifs of moderate size to be posted? It's not 1998 anymore. Spring for a little more bandwidth, wouldapleeze?
2012-09-02 05:51:29 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.


Oh, we don't begrudge you your right to be alive and free. Like you would with women, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, trans persons, blacks, Latinos, Muslims, intellectuals, scientists, the poor, and oh yes, Democrats.

But when a petulant child is smearing shiat on my walls, I reserve the right to call it a petulant child and, ideally, send it to its room until it grows the hell up.

Or, in shorter words you might know: 1/10 for effort, and welcome to my ignore list.
2012-09-02 05:47:58 PM  
1 votes:

Shrugging Atlas: Farking "Log Cabin Republicans." Other than the uber rich, is there ANY subset of Republican voters that doesn't vote against its own interests by voting Republican?


Yep:

1) Bankers, wall street gamblers, and the crooks in the health insurance scamindustry, because GOP policies make it easier for them to dip their straws in people's savings.
2) People working in the fossil fuel sector, because the wealth really does trickle down to them.
3) People who really, really, really hate the US of A.

The rest are retards.
2012-09-02 05:29:45 PM  
1 votes:

RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash.

Worse, given your own background many of these people probably believe what you espoused not that long ago.

I disagree with these people but I won't insult them, or any of us, by merely rotely, and cheaply, insisting they are stupid, irrational, greedy, brain-washed, corrupt. And I don't think you advance anything, either discourse, or liberal politics, or any of your political goals by doing the same.

This is a farked up thread -- NPR gave us the opportunity to listen and learn and you and the rest just spit in that.

So thank you for ensuring many more farked up stupid politics tab threads.


To be fair all of the examples I read were complete BS; either religious, cultural or outright bullshiat. Very little had anything to do with actual government and if it did it was the usual hypocritical derp.

The days of two equally footed major political parties is over. The GOP went off the deep end. Sorry to break it to you.
2012-09-02 05:22:29 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.


I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash.

Worse, given your own background many of these people probably believe what you espoused not that long ago.

I disagree with these people but I won't insult them, or any of us, by merely rotely, and cheaply, insisting they are stupid, irrational, greedy, brain-washed, corrupt. And I don't think you advance anything, either discourse, or liberal politics, or any of your political goals by doing the same.

This is a farked up thread -- NPR gave us the opportunity to listen and learn and you and the rest just spit in that.

So thank you for ensuring many more farked up stupid politics tab threads.
2012-09-02 05:17:52 PM  
1 votes:
I have a serious question as I read these. Most of them are all about the government interfering in their lives, and wanting to have the ability to make their own decisions. As I was initially led to believe, Republicans are the party of "small government." Then why on EARTH are they trying to interfere in a woman's RIGHT to make her own decisions (birth control/abortions), a person's RIGHT to marry who they love (gay marriage), and many others. I honestly don't understand how they can merge these beliefs together. They don't want their rights oppressed, but it is alright for the government to interfere when it is something they don't agree with?
2012-09-02 05:11:19 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i46.tinypic.com image 639x439]

"I've been trained to hate myself."


Any time someone responds to why they belong to a certain political party and begins that response with religion...well fark them. You dumb biatch, you were asked why you belong to a political party. Do you have any political reasons for that decision? This isn't a farking theocracy as much as you'd like it to be.

Farking "Log Cabin Republicans." Other than the uber rich, is there ANY subset of Republican voters that doesn't vote against its own interests by voting Republican?
2012-09-02 04:43:45 PM  
1 votes:

chuggernaught: I vote Republican so I can vote for the moderates in a futile attempt to keep the extreme right wing fundamentalists from destroying my state.

/it's not going well at the moment.


How does rewarding the extreme right wing stifle the extreme right-wing?
2012-09-02 04:40:03 PM  
1 votes:

DarwiOdrade: "Because rich people are Republicans and I always wanted to be rich." - my mother.

/facepalm


And that... in a nutshell,

is the con.

"If you play along, there's room for you in the getaway car." *nudge* *wink* And we still lap it up like a thirsty dog.
2012-09-02 04:39:46 PM  
1 votes:

Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.


Apparently, we don't. You've been asked what you consider Conservative positions. Right of center isn't a definition. What positions do you consider Conservative. You've provide a non-answer, and now you want to end the conversation, which is essentially throwing in the towel. Thanks for wasting our time...
2012-09-02 04:36:42 PM  
1 votes:

Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.


I disagree. Take the Affordable Care Act. Since it was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1980s, the individual mandate has been considered "conservative." Newt Gingrich was pushing the idea as recently as 2009. But, when the Democrats decided to implement it, the whole idea suddenly became left/liberal/socialism, a government takeover of healthcare.

If "right" or "conservative" had any sort of stable meaning, the ACA would be seen as a conservative victory. Newt Gingrich and Romney would be applauding it instead of advocating for its repeal. 

So, exactly, are we supposed to "know" the "right" when we see it?
2012-09-02 04:25:53 PM  
1 votes:

eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?


I'm pretty sure it means "Throw the poor who are too old or crippled to work into lime pits, kill the brown people, give all the money to the beneficent wealthy, bomb everybody in those dime store countries until they're free and privatize everything we can no longer afford to build or maintain, due to the rich paying no taxes, and then charge to use them." I could be wrong. Language has gotten a bit abstruse up in here, lately.
2012-09-02 04:13:31 PM  
1 votes:

Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?


That's easy.

1) Pay any attention to other, established, Western style, developed democracies (say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, France, Germany, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Austria...). Pay any attention to their mainstream political parties and politics.
2) Compare them to the US political parties and politics.
3) Note that the positions of the US Democrats would be the mainstream center right party's positions in pretty much all of these other developed, Western democracies, and the the US Republicans would be way to the right of the political spectrum of the rest of the Western democracies.
2012-09-02 04:06:22 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x440]

"I wasn't accepted to college."


That's funny, I graduated from college, pay taxes, and I'm damn near a socialist. Funny that.
2012-09-02 04:03:45 PM  
1 votes:

MayoSlather: randomjsa: Yes, we DID build that,

Exactly. We.



Yes, government and private sector working together. And contrary to what randomjsa stated before, Democrats don't want people beholden to government. They want the government beholden to the people, whom it represents. Republicans want government as weak as possible so as to clear aware regulations and enforcement which prevent rapacious business from screwing everyone and everything else in pursuit of the almighty dollar for their stockholders.
2012-09-02 03:55:56 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: Yes, we DID build that,


Exactly. We.
2012-09-02 03:45:23 PM  
1 votes:

parkthebus: but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.


Republicans drive us deeper into debt and into more wars than Democrats.

What the fark do they get right?
2012-09-02 03:43:11 PM  
1 votes:
I am a Republican because I was a dirty hippie in college but quickly discovered the liberals had no idea what they were taking about. My years of experience in the real world has only buffered this perception. Neither side is always right, but on balance the GOP gets it right far more than the Democrats. Intellectually I'm more of a libertarian, but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.
2012-09-02 03:42:02 PM  
1 votes:

BMulligan: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.


This. The DNC is going to be protested by real liberals. Whenever a republican accuses the democratic party of being liberal you know they lack reasoning skills. The current democratic party is a centrist party.
2012-09-02 03:37:45 PM  
1 votes:

Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?


Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.
2012-09-02 03:35:13 PM  
1 votes:
"Because Jebus, and racism"
2012-09-02 03:32:57 PM  
1 votes:

the.swartz: I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals. At this point, however, it feels like both parties have lost their way. I've not come across anything that says one party is better than the other, and am very skeptical of anyone who evangelizes one party or candidate over another. I also do not believe that anyone understands the complexity of our socioeconomic system well enough to definitively state whether or not a given policy or dirction is beneficial or not. It's all a metter of perspective, I guess.


Again, I have no party, but tend to lean left. I do think that if we are to have a two-party system, each party needs to temper the other with opposing viewpoints to come to a happy medium. As it is, we're just getting a bunch of yahoos screaming at each other, and trying to silence each other. That's not the way it's supposed to work. I think this is why the Founders came out as opposed to political parties in the first place.
2012-09-02 03:30:42 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: Never let it be said that liberals will ever waste a chance to spew hate and misconceptions. There's a reason that when asked to accurately state liberals positions on things, conservatives can, and when asked to accurately state conservatives positions on things, liberals can't. That would be because conservatives don't have to lie to themselves or to each other about what liberals believe in so that their own ideas sound better.

Yes, we DID build that, including all the roads and bridges and infrastructure. All of those things are dependent on American business in order to come to fruition, not the other way around. Without successful hard working people to pay taxes, you don't get to have those nice things. I'm a Republican because I don't believe that being beholden to the government is a good thing. I'm a Republican because I believe it's primarily my own responsibility to take care of me and I don't hold out my hand demanding that anybody who made more than me pay my way too.

I'm a Republican because anyone who is paying attention can plainly see that Democrats maintain and continue to buy their way in to power by finding new and interesting ways to write government checks to as many people as possible and if the country goes broke in the process that's just fine because long term success or failure never mattered to a liberal anyway, only intentions.


Two things are obvious to me after reading your post (which, the middle paragraph at least, I do not disagree with):

1. You don't understand the platform of the current democratic party.

2. You don't understand the platform of the current republican party.

Stop parroting what the conservative outrage machine is selling you and do some critical thinking on your own.
2012-09-02 03:26:25 PM  
1 votes:
I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals. At this point, however, it feels like both parties have lost their way. I've not come across anything that says one party is better than the other, and am very skeptical of anyone who evangelizes one party or candidate over another. I also do not believe that anyone understands the complexity of our socioeconomic system well enough to definitively state whether or not a given policy or dirction is beneficial or not. It's all a metter of perspective, I guess.
2012-09-02 03:22:50 PM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: I had hopes for the Modern Whigs, but their momentum was stymied by the TEA Party, sadly.

We do need a functional Conservative party in this country. At this point, the Democrats are the ones seeping to the Center Right, and the Republicans have gone to the Far Right, and the leadership has decided to back the most malleable and radical elements.


Start working on it. We need rational debate and compromise again. The difference in the last 6 or so years is depressing as hell - work is non-partisan, even if we lean liberal. Six years ago we could work with Republicans - not all of them, but a good # - and find compromises to move things forward, esp. since a good % of our supporters were (and still do) identified as Republicans. Now - nothing. A tiny, small fraction who are secure enough in their seats will still help find common ground, but that's it.

I know you know this (and IIRC you're a bit burned out). But damn, find somewhere to start. Take the damn party back, somehow. And I'll sincerely wish you the best. And keep voting for the few sane Republicans standing in primaries when I can (yay independent registration).

/please
//thanks
2012-09-02 03:22:35 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: There's a reason that when asked to accurately state liberals positions on things, conservatives can, and when asked to accurately state conservatives positions on things, liberals can't. That would be because conservatives don't have to lie to themselves or to each other about what liberals believe in so that their own ideas sound better.


That is the funniest thing I've seen you post. Now I KNOW you are just trolling because no one can seriously be stupid enough to believe a steaming load of BS like that!

Thank you for making me laugh.
2012-09-02 03:17:24 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus said to love thy neighbor. Seems to me that Democrats give more love than Republicans.

And don't give me "yeah, with other people's money" or else I'll break out the [red-state-socialism.jpg]
2012-09-02 03:17:20 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: Mrtraveler01: tony41454: As opposed to:
"I am a Democrat 'cuz Obamah gives me free stuff."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe in Utopia on Earth where Iranians kiss Jews and trees and snail darters are more important than people."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz de President is ah BLACK man."

Seems the stocks of Kool-Aid have gone up dramatically.

-10/10 

A fart would've been more enlightening than this post.

He was trolling?!? I thought he was mocking Republicans by lampooning their most obnoxious talking points.


If that was really the case, then I would have that much more faith in humanity again.
2012-09-02 03:14:20 PM  
1 votes:
No one blindly follows their team quite like Republicans. You could do an entire psych study on these people.
2012-09-02 03:06:06 PM  
1 votes:
I was looking around for a Carlin quote for another thread, and I realized that I'm a Republican because we co-opt the words of dead liberals and put them in a context completely counter to their actual political beliefs.

Worse, we pretend they were saying them about Obama even though they were dead before he became president.
2012-09-02 02:53:22 PM  
1 votes:

Veloram: Can we all just agree that the debates are going to be edge-of-your-seat, popcorn at the ready, beer in tow excitement this year? Hell I may even request a 3D broadcast for when Romneybot's head explodes on live TV.


I wonder if Romney will ditch the debates?
2012-09-02 02:51:50 PM  
1 votes:

buckler: hubiestubert: I was a Republican for many years, most of my time on Fark actually, up until the point that the party abandoned anything looking like Conservative thought--that is responsive tax policy, responsive spending policy, responsive domestic policy, and responsive foreign policy based on actual conditions, as opposed to the whims of a 12 year old who didn't want to share. (...)

Hubie, even when you identified as a Conservative, I always found your posts to be insightful and intelligent, which is why you are currently my only favorited person here. I'm awfully glad you *are* here, because you help provide a reasonable perspective on things. Personally, I'm registered as "no party affiliation", and wish I were half as eloquent as you in saying what I think. Most times you do say what I think, and I appreciate that. I'm not licking anyone's ass here, but I think credit should be given when due.


And for every decent conservative like him, there's usually 1-2 cancerous hatemongers like tony. Sad how the party as a whole tolerates and at times even endorses them.
2012-09-02 02:50:38 PM  
1 votes:
Can we all just agree that the debates are going to be edge-of-your-seat, popcorn at the ready, beer in tow excitement this year? Hell I may even request a 3D broadcast for when Romneybot's head explodes on live TV.
2012-09-02 02:40:14 PM  
1 votes:

Rann Xerox: Dave Myers, 23, Maryland delegate

"My parents taught me individual responsibility. You have to rely on yourself to get you anywhere."


No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.


As if that guy would know John Donne or how to read.
2012-09-02 02:13:02 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.


Everything about you, right down to you handle, is a troll.
2012-09-02 02:05:49 PM  
1 votes:
I would hate to be a Republican.

But, I would love to do a Republican:

media.tumblr.com 

And I hate myself for it. 

/DoBeDoBeDo...
2012-09-02 02:02:13 PM  
1 votes:
why do Republican shills always use the same tactics?

article: 'here's a bunch of facts about Republicans liars and why they lie.'
GOP shill: 'but the DEMOCRATS!? liberals!? OMG SOCIALISMS!'
fark thread: 'um dude...we're discussing the Republicans. don't change the subject.'
GOP shill: 'well...you are all just a bunch of LIBERALS! and you...you...liberal all over the liberal place with your liberal liberals and your gay liberals in the liberals!'
fark thread: 'well ok then. thanks for posting'.


seriously. this happens all the damn time. it's a discussion about the lies of Republicans, or a discussion on Republican policies and sure enough - some idiot shows up and starts screaming about liberals or the democrats. I wouldn't think it was so difficult to stay focused on the discussion at hand. are our local GOP folks all ADHD or something?
2012-09-02 01:59:24 PM  
1 votes:
I can't think of a single good reason for self identifying as a Republican and/or voting GOP this election.

Not one.

/Meh, neither can Skipjack apparently.
2012-09-02 01:47:44 PM  
1 votes:

MayoSlather: Well if you had watched the GOP primaries they gave us plenty of tools... for great comedy.


i151.photobucket.com

Q&D
2012-09-02 01:47:29 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.


No, I'm pretty sure that's what they call intolerance. Much like opinions, not all people are tolerable. Being an asshole is a choice.
2012-09-02 01:44:24 PM  
1 votes:
You throw enough money at the problem you can convince people to jump in a volcano. Look at Jim Jones, all he had was the power of belonging and he caused a massacre.
2012-09-02 01:43:57 PM  
1 votes:

DeltaPunch: I'd rather my taxes went up so that every black person in America can use food stamps to buy steaks and Champagne, than to have one more penny of it go to the richest assholes that will move it offshore to avoid paying taxes.


I appreciate your hyperbole and agree with your sentiment. An economic variation on "it's better for 9 guilty men to be mistakenly declared innocent than for one 1 innocent man to be mistakenly declared guilty."
2012-09-02 01:37:25 PM  
1 votes:
Mitt Romneys Tax Return

I have a few sane, intelligent friends who still vote Republican and I'm baffled by it. They aren't rich, socially conservative or racist.

The only explanation I can come up with is that the GOP has done a masterful job of creating an illusory Republican party to challenge an imaginary Obama. In the echo chamber of Fox News (and to a lesser extent the mainstream press - in the interest of "fairness"), the Republicans are the conservative party of small government and small business, of personal responsibility and fiscal sanity. Democrats, by contrast, are the party led by a scary Black man that wants to take away your freedom, and turn the US into Sweden and your sons into queens. It's a bit harder to maintain the Republican illusion in the face of genuine GOP politicians - hence the reason "Generic Republican" frequently polls better than the actual candidate.

No amount of factual evidence to the contrary - such as demonstrating that Democrats have been better stewards of the economy over the last 40 or proving that Obama's politics are aligned with Eisenhower rather than Stalin - will change these people's minds, and I've given up trying.


I sent this to a friend who votes R, and he actually got it, decided he's a Progressive, after all.

/no hard in trying
2012-09-02 01:29:20 PM  
1 votes:
So has anyone in this thread yet actually provided actual reasons to be a modern Republican? I saw the one who said something like "I believe in conservative ideology" which is a total non-answer. Anyone going to defend the modern Republican Party?
2012-09-02 01:24:17 PM  
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Cheesus: Or he went to college and didn't learn any critical thinking. I can't imagine what he spent his time doing instead though, judging from his classy sombrero. He's the kind of guy that hears "tax cuts" and doesn't bother to think what else that effects, or even if they apply to him.

He went to college. He was just that annoying shiat on your floor who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time and needed to tell you about his revelation every time you hung out with him. He also never chipped in for beer or weed money, but drank and smoked more than anyone else.


Hell, I'd be happy with a republican who actually read it. All the people I've heard spout off about how great Rand is don't have any farking idea what she was trying to say.
2012-09-02 01:20:50 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: skipjack: I'm conservative because that's the political ideology I agree with.

No one asked why you were a conservative, they asked why you were a Republican. Big difference.

If you really are a conservative, then why the hell are you still a Republican.


I asked him the same question, but he appears to have run off.
2012-09-02 01:15:41 PM  
1 votes:

Cheesus: Or he went to college and didn't learn any critical thinking. I can't imagine what he spent his time doing instead though, judging from his classy sombrero. He's the kind of guy that hears "tax cuts" and doesn't bother to think what else that effects, or even if they apply to him.


He went to college. He was just that annoying shiat on your floor who just read Atlas Shrugged for the first time and needed to tell you about his revelation every time you hung out with him. He also never chipped in for beer or weed money, but drank and smoked more than anyone else.
2012-09-02 01:13:32 PM  
1 votes:
I don't care what anybody has to say when it starts with "Why I'm A...."

I don't care if it's Republican, or Democrat, or Christian, or atheist (please feel free to post your own definition of what this means! this should happen in every thread! at least 500 times!) or baseball fan or gay or straight or farking whatever.

But especially when it's "Why I'm a Republican," in this derptastic, up-is-down, cutting-taxes-lowers-debt, ignorance-is-strength, mission-accomplished, war-was-justified, job-creators-are-taxed-to-death, no-true-racists hall of mirrors world we live in.

I just don't care why anybody is anything, but I especially don't care why anybody is on board with the likes of Rmoney and Rayn and Dubya and Cheney and Rice and Rove and Lardbaugh and the whole steal-it-all-now crowd that farked everything up so completely last time.
2012-09-02 01:12:45 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x440]

"I wasn't accepted to college."


Or he went to college and didn't learn any critical thinking. I can't imagine what he spent his time doing instead though, judging from his classy sombrero. He's the kind of guy that hears "tax cuts" and doesn't bother to think what else that effects, or even if they apply to him.
2012-09-02 01:08:52 PM  
1 votes:
Jesus, Jesus, Bootstraps, Bootstrap, Jesus, Bootstraps, Jesus, Jesus ......... and so on.

Bloody hell you yanks have some retarded politics. I mean my country also has retarded politics, but its not that bad. Not by a long shot and quite frankly you deserve better.
2012-09-02 01:06:41 PM  
1 votes:
www.npr.org

"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president."
2012-09-02 01:06:21 PM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x440]

"I wasn't accepted to college."


I would love to know how much money he makes at 22 to justify being pissed off about taxes.
2012-09-02 01:03:13 PM  
1 votes:
I've been an entrepreneur for as long as I can remember; I ran three or four different businesses in grammar school. The ideas that are exposed by the Libertarian Party and the libertarian part of the Republican [Party] really reinforce that Republican spirit.


Translation:


"I'm full of shiat and I like the part of this party that really belongs to another party."
2012-09-02 12:59:11 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: zappaisfrank: cameroncrazy1984: skipjack: Yes yes....i'm a troll because I dare point out the obvious.

You're a troll because you called a thread a circle-jerk and didn't contribute anything to the thread.

What he said. All you did was drop in and throw out an insult, thinking you were cute and clever by doing so. You weren't. If you wish to debate the merits of the article and the discussion at hand, I'm all ears, but if all you're going to do is threadshiat, then whine how you're being picked on when you get called on it, you deserve what you get.

Oh...I didn't think it was clever, or cute.

There is no discussion at hand except for the non sequiturs most of the replies are. Now..run along and look up what a non sequitur is.


I know what a non sequitur is, Junior. Any more condescending remarks to make yourself feel smarter or more superior?
2012-09-02 12:56:01 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: cameroncrazy1984: .

You could've offered your reasons to be a Republican, or at least why YOU are a Republican. But no, you decided that we're all conspiring against you.

I've not said anyone is "conspiring" against me, I did expressed my disappointment that I expected much funnier replies.

I'm conservative because that's the political ideology I agree with. I'm not a car salesman and if you want a more convincing "why", you're not getting it.


Being conservative has nothing to do with being a republican today. The modern GOP is closer to a fascist theocratic party than anything.
2012-09-02 12:55:55 PM  
1 votes:
www.npr.org


"Because I farkin' LOVE Ronald Reagan...A B-list actor who began his campaign at a racially segregated southern university, whooped up public frenzy by lying about the Panama Canal treaty and was even called on it personally by arch Conservative tough guy John Wayne, who listened to the completely fabricated findings of a think tank called "Team B" who pulled things out of their ass about Russia because he was still living in 1950 when COMMIES were actually a minor but totally overblown threat, who created a racially stereotype called the "welfare queen" to draw bigoted whites with a persecution complex under the tent, who invaded Grenada without Congressional approval to rescue students who didn't need rescuing to puff up his crusade to get the public behind his military programs, who also tripled the military budget, took away interest deductions for student loans, funded terrorists while looking the other way as tons of cocaine poured into California, traded arms for hostages, and thought foreign policy was a movie script".
2012-09-02 12:54:55 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: cameroncrazy1984: skipjack: I'm conservative because that's the political ideology I agree with. I'm not a car salesman and if you want a more convincing "why", you're not getting it.

I didn't ask why you were a conservative. I asked why you were a Republican.

And you got two answers for the price of one....but one answer went over your head.


Why are you a Republican? Republicans aren't a conservative party. Over the last 30 years they've been anything but fiscally conservative. They've been anything but socially conservative as well. Why are you a Republican?
2012-09-02 12:54:32 PM  
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: poot_rootbeer: I question NPR's sampling methods.

6 of the 15 are women, and 2 of 15 are black. Does that sound representative of the GOP as a whole?

NPR bends over backwards in order not to appear biased.


All a futile attempt because the retards in the GOP still think NPR is the US equivalent of Pravda.
2012-09-02 12:53:16 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: I'm conservative because that's the political ideology I agree with. I'm not a car salesman and if you want a more convincing "why", you're not getting it.


Taking your ball and going home?

4.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-02 12:50:58 PM  
1 votes:
I'm a Republican because my party's candidate isn't an uppity Negro who has the audacity to talk when White folks are present.

(I joke, but you'd be surprised how many people are voting for that reason, subconsciously or not.)
2012-09-02 12:48:45 PM  
1 votes:
I question NPR's sampling methods.

6 of the 15 are women, and 2 of 15 are black. Does that sound representative of the GOP as a whole?
2012-09-02 12:48:24 PM  
1 votes:

Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.


Is this the "you're intolerant of my intolerance" defense?
2012-09-02 12:46:44 PM  
1 votes:
Gotta admit, it truly amazes me that anyone making less than 250K a year would vote for Romney.

But hey, it's America.
2012-09-02 12:45:49 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: Mrtraveler01: skipjack: do you have something better than the typical "fark you, I got mine"?

It's the truth though. Tell me it's not.

It's the truth for some of the GOP'ers, not for others. Stereotypes break down eventually.

However, the answer to my question should have been no...you don't have anything better.


It's because you haven't given any better reasons to be a Republican. And do you know why? There aren't any.
2012-09-02 12:45:13 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: skipjack: Yes yes....i'm a troll because I dare point out the obvious.

You're a troll because you called a thread a circle-jerk and didn't contribute anything to the thread.


What he said. All you did was drop in and throw out an insult, thinking you were cute and clever by doing so. You weren't. If you wish to debate the merits of the article and the discussion at hand, I'm all ears, but if all you're going to do is threadshiat, then whine how you're being picked on when you get called on it, you deserve what you get.
2012-09-02 12:44:33 PM  
1 votes:
culebra
Because you're rich or you're a farking idiot, or both, that's why.

There are also many believers in the "just-world" fallacy in the republican party.
2012-09-02 12:31:20 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: A liberal circle jerk given to you by the mods...and you guys have barely got it over 50 posts.

/son..i am dissapoint


It got you to come out from under your bridge, so I guess it was effective in that regard!
2012-09-02 12:31:01 PM  
1 votes:

skipjack: A liberal circle jerk given to you by the mods...and you guys have barely got it over 50 posts.

/son..i am dissapoint


Don't worry princess, I'm sure they'll post something stupid from something like TownHall or American Thinker to suit your tastes.
2012-09-02 12:25:03 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.

You're bringing up 3 year old, busted talking points? Oh my god, you are so screwed in November.

When the sitting president of the United States says it, it is more than a talking point. Keep trying. A for effort

Except he didn't say it. Try and keep up. Maybe look up the actual quote for once.


Just more bullshiat from "Pretend Obama Land". It would be funnier if it weren't so farkin' pathetic.
2012-09-02 12:23:05 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.

You're bringing up 3 year old, busted talking points? Oh my god, you are so screwed in November.

When the sitting president of the United States says it, it is more than a talking point. Keep trying. A for effort


Except he didn't say it. Try and keep up. Maybe look up the actual quote for once.
2012-09-02 12:22:05 PM  
1 votes:

DarwiOdrade: "Because rich people are Republicans and I always wanted to be rich." - my mother.


Have you ever mentioned Warren Buffet and Bill Gates to her?
2012-09-02 12:19:31 PM  
1 votes:

ghare: zappaisfrank: Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.

Right, because Republican tolerance involves repeated usage of words like Libtard, Marxist, Socialist, Kenyan Muslim Usurper, America Hater, Liberal Scum, etc.

You have no argument there, Vin boy...seriously.

He doesn't care that he has no argument, he cares that you care enough to respond.


I see..another troll from Rightwingistan...got it.
2012-09-02 12:19:19 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.

You're bringing up 3 year old, busted talking points? Oh my god, you are so screwed in November.


Actually the ability of all the EnviroDudes out there to see the Kenyan witch doctor Obama hallucination is exactly what gives "their team" a chance to exploit them some more
2012-09-02 12:18:42 PM  
1 votes:

zappaisfrank: Vindibudd: MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.

This is what Democrats call tolerance.

Right, because Republican tolerance involves repeated usage of words like Libtard, Marxist, Socialist, Kenyan Muslim Usurper, America Hater, Liberal Scum, etc.

You have no argument there, Vin boy...seriously.


He doesn't care that he has no argument, he cares that you care enough to respond.
2012-09-02 12:15:13 PM  
1 votes:

MacEnvy:
Because I'm an asshole.


This is what Democrats call tolerance.
2012-09-02 12:15:08 PM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.

That's quite a projection complex you have there. Counseling can help. And there's medication too, if you can afford it.

Thanks to health care reform, he's got a better chance.

I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.


So you're cool with the medical industry wasting public money?
2012-09-02 11:14:39 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.


That's quite a projection complex you have there. Counseling can help. And there's medication too, if you can afford it.
2012-09-02 11:06:46 AM  
1 votes:

EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.


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