WorldCitizen: So has anyone in this thread yet actually provided actual reasons to be a modern Republican? I saw the one who said something like "I believe in conservative ideology" which is a total non-answer. Anyone going to defend the modern Republican Party?
ignatius_crumbcake: BMulligan: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this countryWe have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.This. The DNC is going to be protested by real liberals. Whenever a republican accuses the democratic party of being liberal you know they lack reasoning skills. The current democratic party is a centrist party.
Crotchrocket Slim: Please do enlighten us on how the terms "liberal" and "conservative" aren't relative terms and how we're all stupid for not adopting whatever fringe anarchist ideology you want us to.
Generation_D: WorldCitizen: So has anyone in this thread yet actually provided actual reasons to be a modern Republican? I saw the one who said something like "I believe in conservative ideology" which is a total non-answer. Anyone going to defend the modern Republican Party?Dont have to defend it to you dumb libs. its obvious to anyone with half a brain, morans.
Jadedgrl: Pro-life men. Yawn. Call me if you grow a uterus- then maybe you'll be allowed an opinion on the subject that matters.
Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: He also needs to label his farking axes!A guy who votes for the party that believes we are on the far side of the laffer curve demanding more accurate axis labeling? That's rich.There are arguments in favor of decreasing taxation to be made, but the constantly repeated lie that it will increase total revenues is simply shenanigans. That it also comes from the side that doesn't really want to reduce everyone's taxes, but only the Job Creators makes it doubly ridiculous. The marginal difference in hours and effort put into earning an extra dollar is higher for poor people than it is for rich, so if we were to presume that people are choosing not to work that extra hour or work harder because of the top marginal tax rate, then lowering it for the lower brackets would provide the bigger boost, to say nothing of the basics of supply and demand and that poor people spend all of their money while rich have the capability to horde.What a farking joke.I'm not against the concept of balancing spending and taxation, and I'm not against the concept that keeping them low could be a good thing. I can even find acceptable the theory of busting up safety nets and welfare (provided we bust them down all the way and accept people dying destitute) as a functional solution, albeit a callous one to some. You say you'd do a write-in vote to try to send some kind of a message that the conservative party is going off the rails, but you know what, its been off those rails since before I was born.I know this is a liberal site, and I have no problem saying I'm pretty liberal (more than the general public, while less than fark), but I can't figure out how some of you proclaimed conservatives can see anything in the Republican party. You should have been coming to the conclusions you seem to be drawing now 30 or more years ago. The party has been a mash-up of religious fundamentalism, cultural regression and bigotry, and completely retarded economics since befor ...
Bob16: o5iiawah: Your taxes dont go to Rich people.Corporate welfarehttp://www.progress.org/banneker/cw.html
PopularFront: Ricardo Klement: There are pro-life atheists. And while I'm not an atheist, I came to my conclusion without the need to resort to religious arguments. Whether a fetus is a person is not something where the answer seems obvious to me. I'm actually for abortion when the life of the mother is at stake, which sometimes is only discovered in the last trimester. I'm not an absolutist and I'm open to the discussion. I'm not actually comfortable banning the morning after pill, so my pro-lifeness is not nearly so strong as the GOP's has been in general. But you may be right: I haven't developed a Grand Unification Theory of my positions. In my defense, I bet that's rare for anyone.Weather or not the fetus is a person or not always seemed to me to be a diversion from the more fundamental issue of whether it has the right to enslave the mother as a life support system. If it doesn't, then abortion should, at the very least, be legal up until the point of viability.Even if a zygote were entitled to the full spectrum of constitutional rights, it's hard to see how the right to force another person to keep them alive would be included. It would be akin to forcing someone with a tissue match to donate a kidney (or some other redundant organ) to save a life.From another angle, Conservatives are usually staunch defenders of the Castle Doctrine with respect to protecting their homes. I don't understand why so many of them begrudge women the right to protect their bodies the same way.
bunner: There are no liberals. There are no conservatives. There are damn few actual centrists.All that crap was made up years ago by the people doing the play by play from the bench and frankly, those, and almost every other adjectives in american English, have been truncated, re-allocated, masticated and spit back out - bereft of meaning - and poorly spelled by a broad range of subgroups in a fractured culture.And the people on the wrench turning end of that culture have figured out that if you weren't born on third base, you should probably just sit on the bench cause you ain't gonna get to bat. Start worrying about that and all this penny ante, semantic harrumphing will suddenly become as obviously moot as all the cats who are mowing your lawn and washing your car already know it is. When you start having to shoehorn the actualities of your political ideals into shopworn templates of what they're SUPPOSED to be, you're managing to sustain neither. You're just one more legs-in-the-air hypocrite trying to wedge your fat, size 12 ass into a pair of size 7 Levis and hope you can suck your gut in until the votes are counted.In the mean time, keep barking at all the people who aren't waving YOUR subgroup's flag and come to think of it, that guy waving what looks like your flag seems to have one that's a little faded. Keep an eye on that sonofab*tch, too. And buy lots of labels and markers One nation. Under a common delusion. Gullible. With spoon fed malarkey for all.
Ricardo Klement: Note that I didn't express an opinion on taxes.
Ricardo Klement: I won't get the death penalty - even in Texas
Ricardo Klement: PopularFront: Weather or not the fetus is a person or not always seemed to me to be a diversion from the more fundamental issue of whether it has the right to enslave the mother as a life support system. If it doesn't, then abortion should, at the very least, be legal up until the point of viability.Even if a zygote were entitled to the full spectrum of constitutional rights, it's hard to see how the right to force another person to keep them alive would be included. It would be akin to forcing someone with a tissue match to donate a kidney (or some other redundant organ) to save a life.From another angle, Conservatives are usually staunch defenders of the Castle Doctrine with respect to protecting their homes. I don't understand why so many of them begrudge women the right to protect their bodies the same way.There's a reason few people use that line or argument, because we don't allow you, even under the Castle Doctrine, to kill helpless people. Not in Virginia we don't. If you find some paralyzed unarmed guy in your living room, you're not free to shoot them. But your argument also concedes the point of it being alive, and if one is a liberal anti-death-penalty anti-war ant-lethal-force PETA member, you'd be hard-pressed to explain a greater hypocrisy than being fine with killing something you admit is alive due to the inconvenience and hardship it imposes. I could cut off your arms and legs and leave you to die in a vegetative state in the desert, but it you don't, I won't get the death penalty - even in Texas. It's hard to argue I did less to you than the fetus.
PopularFront: BTW, I noticed you completely ignored the other argument in my post which explains why the issue of whether it's alive (or even a person) should be irrelevant.
lohphat: Don't feed the troll, ignore them.
EnviroDude: SilentStrider: Marcus Aurelius: EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.That's quite a projection complex you have there. Counseling can help. And there's medication too, if you can afford it.Thanks to health care reform, he's got a better chance.I will be able to take a pain pill when I need a pacemaker at an elderly age per Obama. So much for the right to live.
Vindibudd: if I disagree with you, that does not qualify me as a troll. Is this in anyway unclear?
daveUSMC: I'm a registered Republican because I can't bear to be a Democrat, and there were no other options on my voter registration form.I'm probably going to do a write-in vote for Dr. Zoidberg.
Snark Shark II: Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?
ignatius_crumbcake: Also, a major tenant of the republican party is "a return to the past." They must be ignorant of history because no society has ever prospered by moving backward.
Bob16: Why would i care about the rationalizations that crazy people who are not in the nut house come up with.
Smackledorfer: Ricardo Klement: Note that I didn't express an opinion on taxes.Ahh, right, because macroeconomics and government spending is a discussion that can be had irrespective of tax rates and policies.
Smackledorfer: Ricardo,Is it their wonderful insistence that environmental damage should remain an externality?Their christian views of not helping the poor?The brilliance of voucher systems?Calling for a decrease in basic services (police/fire/ems)?Privatization of all things that someone could make a buck off, like prisons?Belief that pulling back government spending during recessions is the bitter pill we all need to swallow?Going back on a gold standard?Which of these phenomenal republican plans for the economy fits with your conservative views so well that it justifies voting republican despite your apparent departure from them on so many other things (now including tax policy)?
PopularFront: It doesn't matter whether the fetus is helpless, it still constitutes a danger to the mother. All pregnancies carry risk. There's no inconsistency with anti-death penalty beliefs since we aren't jailing prisoners inside the bodies of others.
thamike: Vindibudd: if I disagree with you, that does not qualify me as a troll. Is this in anyway unclear?FYI, differing points of view are supposed to based at least somewhat on fact. If one point of view only serves to differ and is completely baseless, the more polite people assume it is "trolling" or "joking" or "having a seizure." It's the internet, and finally the crazy, the ignorant, the perverted, and the downright unpleasant finally have a voice, but so do the people who look down upon them.
Ricardo Klement: Privatizing prisons has to be carefully regulated, but it can save money.
Ricardo Klement: But it's also not an official platform, but a nod to that idiot Ron Paul
LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x439]"... So I vote for the party that explicitly shoots down tax cuts for small business owners, and picked a Presidential candidate who made his fortune gutting businesses, raping their assets, and leaving them to pick up the tab for loans he used to give himself bonuses. I'm an idiot."
intelligent comment below: buckler: intelligent comment below: the.swartz: buckler: As it is, we're just getting a bunch of yahoos screaming at each other, and trying to silence each other. That's not the way it's supposed to work. I think this is why the Founders came out as opposed to political parties in the first place.Brilliant. Nicely stated. Most accurate thing I have seen in any political thread.The founders were also opposed to a standing permanent army but that doesn't stop society from accepting it todayThey also put forth the second amendment with the justification that we need local militias, but we don't see many of those.You do. They're called the National Guard and local police forces
Why I'm a Republican
Vindibudd: And FYI, because I have points of view that are definitely based on legitimate political philosophy and theory, I am not a troll. The reason I come here is because I can find a good back and forth, unlike DU or Freeperland.
EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.
o5iiawah: The GOP is leaning more and more towards a platform of fiscal conservatism since social conservatism is no longer a winner.
SpectroBoy: EnviroDude: Because democrats want to destroy the Republic.[media.tumblr.com image 500x271]/ "An empty chair told me so!" doesn't count.
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