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2012-09-02 04:22:36 PM

relcec: In those two bills Democrats cut the taxes of the superich 50%.
Between that and saturating the labor market with cheap foreign laborers the Democrats have done more to devalue the labor of the working class and expand the profits of the ultrarich than anyone.


You're right. Thanks for enlightening me. I'm going to vote for the guy who wants to completely eliminate capital gains taxes
 
2012-09-02 04:25:16 PM

Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center


That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?
 
2012-09-02 04:25:53 PM

eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?


I'm pretty sure it means "Throw the poor who are too old or crippled to work into lime pits, kill the brown people, give all the money to the beneficent wealthy, bomb everybody in those dime store countries until they're free and privatize everything we can no longer afford to build or maintain, due to the rich paying no taxes, and then charge to use them." I could be wrong. Language has gotten a bit abstruse up in here, lately.
 
2012-09-02 04:26:21 PM

Snark Shark II: That's what it's come down to because both parties have embraced their extremists the last 10 years.


No, now that's just moving the meter over to "both parties are bad." This is another thing the "both parties are the same" crowd try to do to make their simplistic yet non-negotiable and incomplete paradigm seem not just valid, but superior. Both parties might not be ideal for everybody, but for very different reasons. Both parties might wind up being less than effective in the end, but for very different reasons. America might wind up in the right of center after all is said and done, but it isn't because one party won and the results are indecipherable from the expected results of the other party winning.

Face it. Both parties are different, and it has been a few years since they have been as starkly different as they are now. But it is not, in any way shape or form, because the Democrats have gone to the extreme left to counterbalance an extreme right shift by the GOP. This is a fantastical conclusion, and a strangely complex one at that, considering it is coming from an almost clinically lazy form of philosophical egalitarianism.
 
2012-09-02 04:28:09 PM
This view, of course, discounts the notion that those who should have every advantage will get old and crippled and die, too, eventually. It's sort of a zero sum game, kids.
 
2012-09-02 04:29:00 PM

eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?


Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.
 
2012-09-02 04:30:14 PM

Snark Shark II: Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.


So "right" is anything we want it to be?

Awesome! 

Universal health care is now a conservative issue.
 
2012-09-02 04:31:23 PM

relcec: if the democratic party just once actually took a political position that was an unadulterated progressive policy I might be forced to admit that party has some actual interests that square with those of the entire body politic


American progressives tend to advocate progressive taxation and oppose the growing influence of corporations. Progressives are in agreement on an international scale with left-liberalism in that they support organized labor and trade unions, they usually wish to introduce a living wage, and they often support the creation of a universal health care system.

I won't hold my breath.
 
2012-09-02 04:31:23 PM

DarwiOdrade: "Because rich people are Republicans and I always wanted to be rich." - my mother.

/facepalm


All [singing]: TO THE RIGHT! EVER TO THE RIGHT! NEVER TO THE LEFT! FOREVER TO THE RIGHT!!
 
2012-09-02 04:32:02 PM

runcible spork: Yes, government and private sector working together. And contrary to what randomjsa stated before, Democrats don't want people beholden to government. They want the government beholden to the people, whom it represents. Republicans want government as weak as possible so as to clear aware regulations and enforcement which prevent rapacious business from screwing everyone and everything else in pursuit of the almighty dollar for their stockholders.


Politics as football:

Conservatives would like to remove rules until the sport is survival of the fittest:

i.imgur.com

Liberals would like to see rules put in place and followed fairly to minimize the chances of this:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-02 04:33:30 PM

thamike: Snark Shark II: That's what it's come down to because both parties have embraced their extremists the last 10 years.

No, now that's just moving the meter over to "both parties are bad." This is another thing the "both parties are the same" crowd try to do to make their simplistic yet non-negotiable and incomplete paradigm seem not just valid, but superior. Both parties might not be ideal for everybody, but for very different reasons. Both parties might wind up being less than effective in the end, but for very different reasons. America might wind up in the right of center after all is said and done, but it isn't because one party won and the results are indecipherable from the expected results of the other party winning.

Face it. Both parties are different, and it has been a few years since they have been as starkly different as they are now. But it is not, in any way shape or form, because the Democrats have gone to the extreme left to counterbalance an extreme right shift by the GOP. This is a fantastical conclusion, and a strangely complex one at that, considering it is coming from an almost clinically lazy form of philosophical egalitarianism.


Sure, the Right has gone further Right than the Left. I think you're misunderstanding what I'm saying. There are extremists in both parties and sometimes they do take center-stage. They haven't as much on the Left lately. Anyway, I don't owe my allegiance to a party or a side. I think it's better to be moderate and determine things on a case-by-case basis rather than always say Republicans are bad, Democrats are good and vice versa. To do so is to decide based on blind ideology rather than what is best for the country.
 
2012-09-02 04:34:13 PM
only the green and libertarian parties have any platform positions of significance that are decent. both are for ending aggressive foreign policy and abolishing the drug war. I also agree with the green party about capital controls to discourage outsourcing. they both suck on immigration. but at least they have those two big winners. unfortunately neither even move the dial.

democrats and republicans are just too slightly different flavors of corporatism, statism in general and this new type of security-statism in particular, perpetual aggressive war, and special interest pandering that run counter to the interests of the rest of the universe.
 
2012-09-02 04:34:21 PM

Mrtraveler01: Snark Shark II: Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.

So "right" is anything we want it to be?

Awesome! 

Universal health care is now a conservative issue.


it's a moderate issue and left of center.
 
2012-09-02 04:36:42 PM

Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.


I disagree. Take the Affordable Care Act. Since it was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1980s, the individual mandate has been considered "conservative." Newt Gingrich was pushing the idea as recently as 2009. But, when the Democrats decided to implement it, the whole idea suddenly became left/liberal/socialism, a government takeover of healthcare.

If "right" or "conservative" had any sort of stable meaning, the ACA would be seen as a conservative victory. Newt Gingrich and Romney would be applauding it instead of advocating for its repeal. 

So, exactly, are we supposed to "know" the "right" when we see it?
 
2012-09-02 04:39:46 PM

Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.


Apparently, we don't. You've been asked what you consider Conservative positions. Right of center isn't a definition. What positions do you consider Conservative. You've provide a non-answer, and now you want to end the conversation, which is essentially throwing in the towel. Thanks for wasting our time...
 
2012-09-02 04:40:03 PM

DarwiOdrade: "Because rich people are Republicans and I always wanted to be rich." - my mother.

/facepalm


And that... in a nutshell,

is the con.

"If you play along, there's room for you in the getaway car." *nudge* *wink* And we still lap it up like a thirsty dog.
 
2012-09-02 04:40:22 PM

eraser8: If "right" or "conservative" had any sort of stable meaning, the ACA would be seen as a conservative victory. Newt Gingrich and Romney would be applauding it instead of advocating for its repeal.


Sad thing is, if they'd done so from the beginning, all the baggers would've come along too.

Would've been called Conservacare and applauded for sticking it to Obama and his single-payer.
 
2012-09-02 04:40:48 PM
I vote Republican so I can vote for the moderates in a futile attempt to keep the extreme right wing fundamentalists from destroying my state.

/it's not going well at the moment.
 
2012-09-02 04:43:45 PM

chuggernaught: I vote Republican so I can vote for the moderates in a futile attempt to keep the extreme right wing fundamentalists from destroying my state.

/it's not going well at the moment.


How does rewarding the extreme right wing stifle the extreme right-wing?
 
2012-09-02 04:44:32 PM

eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.

I disagree. Take the Affordable Care Act. Since it was first proposed by the Heritage Foundation in the 1980s, the individual mandate has been considered "conservative." Newt Gingrich was pushing the idea as recently as 2009. But, when the Democrats decided to implement it, the whole idea suddenly became left/liberal/socialism, a government takeover of healthcare.

If "right" or "conservative" had any sort of stable meaning, the ACA would be seen as a conservative victory. Newt Gingrich and Romney would be applauding it instead of advocating for its repeal. 

So, exactly, are we supposed to "know" the "right" when we see it?


I see your point. Sometimes they become subjective designations based on the time and the culture of the nation and the beliefs of the individual.
 
2012-09-02 04:44:39 PM

buckler: Coco LaFemme: I've got someone like that a couple miles down the road from my house. They fly the Confederate flag above the US flag....which is a big no-no, and then there's someone a few houses down from them that flies the American flag upside down.

I live in the heart of Teabaggerville, in the wonderful state of North Derpolina.

*headsmack*


It's great. It's like seeing a real-life dinosaur or something. My boyfriend wanted to stop by and say hi once, but I reminded him he's a Jew dating an atheist, and they'd probably shoot him.
 
2012-09-02 04:45:15 PM
dtdstudios.com
 
2012-09-02 04:47:12 PM

hubiestubert: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.

Apparently, we don't. You've been asked what you consider Conservative positions. Right of center isn't a definition. What positions do you consider Conservative. You've provide a non-answer, and now you want to end the conversation, which is essentially throwing in the towel. Thanks for wasting our time...


Well what do YOU consider conservative? There is a general idea of conservative that is shared by most people. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not providing a non-answer, it's just that you're asking something so specific that I would have to go down a list of issues. That's not needed to know what conservative is.
 
2012-09-02 04:48:56 PM

Coco LaFemme: buckler: Coco LaFemme: I've got someone like that a couple miles down the road from my house. They fly the Confederate flag above the US flag....which is a big no-no, and then there's someone a few houses down from them that flies the American flag upside down.

I live in the heart of Teabaggerville, in the wonderful state of North Derpolina.

*headsmack*

It's great. It's like seeing a real-life dinosaur or something. My boyfriend wanted to stop by and say hi once, but I reminded him he's a Jew dating an atheist, and they'd probably shoot him.


There aren't many times when I literally LOL, but that did it.
 
2012-09-02 04:50:57 PM
Lemme try and sum up this whole tab.

www.rightsideweekly.com

"WE'LL FIX EVERYTHING!"

4.bp.blogspot.com

"No, YOUR side sucks!"

images.stanzapub.com

"Excellent."

www.bmwblog.com

"To the club, Jeeves." 



Suckers.
 
2012-09-02 04:51:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: skipjack: cameroncrazy1984: skipjack: If you guys were truly wanting an engagement of why someone is a republican..guess what your first action would be?

To post in a thread about why people are Republicans?

And, that Boobies would obviously be hyperbolic stereotypes..right? Because that's how honest discussion happens.

Given your posts in this thread, they haven't been too hyperbolic, no. Maybe you ought to look that one up too?


Yes, and on purpose...because this thread is serious business.

/francis....you need to lighten up.
 
2012-09-02 04:54:08 PM

zappaisfrank:
I know what a non sequitur is, Junior. Any more condescending remarks to make yourself feel smarter or more superior?

 

Does the irony every hit folks like you...or do you just blissfully skip along in life?

/i'm guessing the second
 
2012-09-02 04:55:58 PM
If you pay any attention to the world at all and consider yourself a Republican in this day and age, you are a sociopath pure and simple.

/"Good Republican" have had over 30 years to come to their senses
 
2012-09-02 04:56:02 PM

Snark Shark II: hubiestubert: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.

Apparently, we don't. You've been asked what you consider Conservative positions. Right of center isn't a definition. What positions do you consider Conservative. You've provide a non-answer, and now you want to end the conversation, which is essentially throwing in the towel. Thanks for wasting our time...

Well what do YOU consider conservative? There is a general idea of conservative that is shared by most people. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not providing a non-answer, it's just that you're asking something so specific that I would have to go down a list of issues. That's not needed to know what conservative is.


Except it is. The Republican Party IS its issues. There is no "general idea" of conservatism without some "specific ideas" to hang the general concept on.

Is it someone who wants to limit government spending? or only wants to limit military spending? or only wants to limit social services spending?

Is it someone who wants to reform welfare? or only wants to reform the amount spent? or only wants to completely terminate all welfare spending?

Is it someone who wants to limit abortions? or wants to redefine personhood? or wants every baby conceived to be born regardless of any other factors?

Is it someone who wants more limited government? or who wants to relax regulatory oversight? or who supports States' Rights?

A "conservative" nowadays is someone who wants to terminate social services, end welfare, make abortion illegal and let each state be a nation unto itself (except when they need money). That is the "general idea" of a conservative today. It didn't used to be that way; so I guess that's why people think there is some kind of overall conservative position that meets Potter Stewart's definition of knowing when we see it. But you better be aware that what YOU think is a "general idea of a conservative" isn't what EVERYONE thinks of when they think of a conservative.
 
2012-09-02 04:59:37 PM

Gyrfalcon: Snark Shark II: hubiestubert: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?

farther right than right of center

That's still a meaningless definition. What does "right" mean? And, who's the arbiter of what's "right" and what isn't?

Then we'd have to go into shades of conservative and go over issues. I don't have the desire to do that. We both know what Right is when we see it though.

Apparently, we don't. You've been asked what you consider Conservative positions. Right of center isn't a definition. What positions do you consider Conservative. You've provide a non-answer, and now you want to end the conversation, which is essentially throwing in the towel. Thanks for wasting our time...

Well what do YOU consider conservative? There is a general idea of conservative that is shared by most people. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not providing a non-answer, it's just that you're asking something so specific that I would have to go down a list of issues. That's not needed to know what conservative is.

Except it is. The Republican Party IS its issues. There is no "general idea" of conservatism without some "specific ideas" to hang the general concept on.

Is it someone who wants to limit government spending? or only wants to limit military spending? or only wants to limit social services spending?

Is it someone who wants to reform welfare? or only wants to reform the amount spent? or only wants to completely terminate all welfare spending?

Is it someone who wants to limit abortions? or wants to redefine personhood? or wants every baby conceived to be born regardless of any other factors?

Is it someone who wants more limited governme ...



allright, makes sense. Geez, everybody jumping down my throat. I get it, you guys don't like people who won't commit to a party.
 
2012-09-02 05:01:49 PM

Mrtraveler01:

No one asked why you were a conservative, they asked why you were a Republican. Big difference.

If you really are a conservative, then why the hell are you still a Republican.


Yes, because the only alternative is either I'm a republican or not.
 
2012-09-02 05:02:41 PM

relcec: only the green and libertarian parties have any platform positions of significance that are decent. both are for ending aggressive foreign policy and abolishing the drug war. I also agree with the green party about capital controls to discourage outsourcing. they both suck on immigration. but at least they have those two big winners. unfortunately neither even move the dial.

democrats and republicans are just too slightly different flavors of corporatism, statism in general and this new type of security-statism in particular, perpetual aggressive war, and special interest pandering that run counter to the interests of the rest of the universe.


My understanding of libertarianism though is a laissez faire approach to government regulation on business. It's a big fark you to the environment and would let corporations essentially make wage slaves of us all. It also doesn't help the poor...It says let them die hungry instead of spending a cent of government money to help them.

I do like most of the philosophy of the green party though.
 
2012-09-02 05:03:45 PM

skipjack: Mrtraveler01:

No one asked why you were a conservative, they asked why you were a Republican. Big difference.

If you really are a conservative, then why the hell are you still a Republican.

Yes, because the only alternative is either I'm a republican or not.


Right. There are plenty of conservative democrats and independents. Just because you're conservative doesn't mean you agree with the Republican platform. It also doesn't mean you'll vote Republican every election.
 
2012-09-02 05:08:21 PM
One of my goals in life is to become rich enough where voting Republican actually makes sense.

Until then I just don't see the point.
 
2012-09-02 05:11:19 PM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i46.tinypic.com image 639x439]

"I've been trained to hate myself."


Any time someone responds to why they belong to a certain political party and begins that response with religion...well fark them. You dumb biatch, you were asked why you belong to a political party. Do you have any political reasons for that decision? This isn't a farking theocracy as much as you'd like it to be.

Farking "Log Cabin Republicans." Other than the uber rich, is there ANY subset of Republican voters that doesn't vote against its own interests by voting Republican?
 
2012-09-02 05:15:08 PM
I'm going to go with spite. It's spite, isn't it?
 
2012-09-02 05:17:52 PM
I have a serious question as I read these. Most of them are all about the government interfering in their lives, and wanting to have the ability to make their own decisions. As I was initially led to believe, Republicans are the party of "small government." Then why on EARTH are they trying to interfere in a woman's RIGHT to make her own decisions (birth control/abortions), a person's RIGHT to marry who they love (gay marriage), and many others. I honestly don't understand how they can merge these beliefs together. They don't want their rights oppressed, but it is alright for the government to interfere when it is something they don't agree with?
 
2012-09-02 05:18:56 PM

valar_morghulis: Why I'm NOT a Republican:

-I believe in a homosexual's right to marriage/civil unions and to receive all the rights and benefits therein
-I believe in the social safety net
-I believe in responsible management of natural resources, not raped-earth glutinous frenzies as proposed by Romney-Ryan
-I believe in a woman's inalienable right to choice and birth control
-I believe in equal pay for equal work
-I'm against shooting wolves from airplanes for sport
-I'm against rabid deregulation
-I believe in Keynesian economics
-I'm not afraid of Shariah Law and nor do I believe it's a threat to American law
-I'm against racial profiling
-I have a sense of humor


Thank you!

This, this THIS!
 
2012-09-02 05:21:24 PM

gold6: I have a serious question as I read these. Most of them are all about the government interfering in their lives, and wanting to have the ability to make their own decisions. As I was initially led to believe, Republicans are the party of "small government." Then why on EARTH are they trying to interfere in a woman's RIGHT to make her own decisions (birth control/abortions), a person's RIGHT to marry who they love (gay marriage), and many others. I honestly don't understand how they can merge these beliefs together. They don't want their rights oppressed, but it is alright for the government to interfere when it is something they don't agree with?



Because they're sanctimonious hypocrites.
 
2012-09-02 05:22:29 PM

Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.


I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash.

Worse, given your own background many of these people probably believe what you espoused not that long ago.

I disagree with these people but I won't insult them, or any of us, by merely rotely, and cheaply, insisting they are stupid, irrational, greedy, brain-washed, corrupt. And I don't think you advance anything, either discourse, or liberal politics, or any of your political goals by doing the same.

This is a farked up thread -- NPR gave us the opportunity to listen and learn and you and the rest just spit in that.

So thank you for ensuring many more farked up stupid politics tab threads.
 
2012-09-02 05:25:51 PM
After Obama wins, will this finally become the turning point where the gop wakes up to the nightmare of it's own making and casts out the loonies from the party? The cranks, kooks, and nutbags can go form their own party which would be completely is in lock-step with their, uhhhh........ values.

They can even name it something that describes their agenda, like "WAAGAGAAGHAHAHHHH!! AGGGGGH! GUH!" or something.

/ Vote "WAAGAGAAGHAHAHHHH!! AGGGGGH! GUH!" 2016!!
 
2012-09-02 05:27:38 PM

TV's Vinnie: After Obama wins, will this finally become the turning point where the gop wakes up to the nightmare of it's own making and casts out the loonies from the party? The cranks, kooks, and nutbags can go form their own party which would be completely is in lock-step with their, uhhhh........ values.

They can even name it something that describes their agenda, like "WAAGAGAAGHAHAHHHH!! AGGGGGH! GUH!" or something.

/ Vote "WAAGAGAAGHAHAHHHH!! AGGGGGH! GUH!" 2016!!


Or just double down and put, by the 2012 campaign, the next in line on the ticket in 2016: Santorum.
 
2012-09-02 05:29:20 PM

RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash


I did click on those profiles...and I saw a lot of denial and no awareness of the lies told by Team Romney. dude - this convention went WAY beyond the norm for political campaigns. this convention was almost pure fiction. very little reality invaded the convention floor.
 
2012-09-02 05:29:45 PM

RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash.

Worse, given your own background many of these people probably believe what you espoused not that long ago.

I disagree with these people but I won't insult them, or any of us, by merely rotely, and cheaply, insisting they are stupid, irrational, greedy, brain-washed, corrupt. And I don't think you advance anything, either discourse, or liberal politics, or any of your political goals by doing the same.

This is a farked up thread -- NPR gave us the opportunity to listen and learn and you and the rest just spit in that.

So thank you for ensuring many more farked up stupid politics tab threads.


To be fair all of the examples I read were complete BS; either religious, cultural or outright bullshiat. Very little had anything to do with actual government and if it did it was the usual hypocritical derp.

The days of two equally footed major political parties is over. The GOP went off the deep end. Sorry to break it to you.
 
2012-09-02 05:38:27 PM

RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash.

Worse, given your own background many of these people probably believe what you espoused not that long ago.

I disagree with these people but I won't insult them, or any of us, by merely rotely, and cheaply, insisting they are stupid, irrational, greedy, brain-washed, corrupt. And I don't think you advance anything, either discourse, or liberal politics, or any of your political goals by doing the same.

This is a farked up thread -- NPR gave us the opportunity to listen and learn and you and the rest just spit in that.

So thank you for ensuring many more farked up stupid politics tab threads.


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7/10?
 
2012-09-02 05:39:28 PM

eraser8: swartz


Republican ideal: Abe Lincoln being the first Republican president is a good place to start. Take a look at the Kansas Nebraska Act. I also believe, if any sort of history is correct, that this party tends to be more business-minded, and less about sticking noses in personal choices.

Democratic ideal: Great place to start, for sure. Absolutely the best thing going at the time. Tends to be a little more like "the government will provide you with what you need" which tends to come with "and we will keep a close eye on you as part of the deal."

Not saying that anyone represents this today, or that these ideals still survivie. I suspect there are those in both parties that believe in something close to the original ideals. Anyway, hope that answers your question.
 
2012-09-02 05:40:00 PM

Weaver95: RoyBatty: Weaver95: i'm gonna guess....a mix of 'battered wife' and 'Stockholm' syndrome.

I don't want to ever see you complaining about idiocy in the politics tab.

It wasn't hard to click on the the dozen or so profiles and see what they had to say, but you couldn't do that, and you started off a thread off putting it right in the trash

I did click on those profiles...and I saw a lot of denial and no awareness of the lies told by Team Romney. dude - this convention went WAY beyond the norm for political campaigns. this convention was almost pure fiction. very little reality invaded the convention floor.


Which is pretty much the opposite of good Conservatism.

Reasoned, careful, and measured response to conditions. Fulfilling the needs of the republic, and preserving said republic. That means, those pesky national parks, our shared resources, and looking towards the future with investment into the nation and those futures.

Not tax breaks. Not railing against marriage equality. Not sending rafts of cash overseas. The entire platform at this point is pretty much the opposite of anything remotely looking like good Conservatism. The radicals have taken the party, and branded it as such.
 
2012-09-02 05:45:13 PM

MikeMc: Because women re-learn that their sole purpose is to be used as breeding stock.


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Ain't no bull gonna approach this cow. Best send her off to slaughter.
 
2012-09-02 05:46:20 PM

ghare: the.swartz: I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals. At this point, however, it feels like both parties have lost their way. I've not come across anything that says one party is better than the other, and am very skeptical of anyone who evangelizes one party or candidate over another. I also do not believe that anyone understands the complexity of our socioeconomic system well enough to definitively state whether or not a given policy or dirction is beneficial or not. It's all a metter of perspective, I guess.

You believe that really, truly the republican party is going to start being fiscally conservative, now, really this time, for reals? Or that the money is going to start trickling down now, soon, really, really soon, really? Or what? The deficit is important? Really,now it's important! Really! And it will be even with a Republican in office! Really, this time we swear!!!


Huh? For your convenience, I brought my original statement into this here post. Take a moment to re-read it, and then see if you can produce a derp-free sentence or two.
 
2012-09-02 05:47:58 PM

Shrugging Atlas: Farking "Log Cabin Republicans." Other than the uber rich, is there ANY subset of Republican voters that doesn't vote against its own interests by voting Republican?


Yep:

1) Bankers, wall street gamblers, and the crooks in the health insurance scamindustry, because GOP policies make it easier for them to dip their straws in people's savings.
2) People working in the fossil fuel sector, because the wealth really does trickle down to them.
3) People who really, really, really hate the US of A.

The rest are retards.
 
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