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2012-09-02 03:32:57 PM  

the.swartz: I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals. At this point, however, it feels like both parties have lost their way. I've not come across anything that says one party is better than the other, and am very skeptical of anyone who evangelizes one party or candidate over another. I also do not believe that anyone understands the complexity of our socioeconomic system well enough to definitively state whether or not a given policy or dirction is beneficial or not. It's all a metter of perspective, I guess.


Again, I have no party, but tend to lean left. I do think that if we are to have a two-party system, each party needs to temper the other with opposing viewpoints to come to a happy medium. As it is, we're just getting a bunch of yahoos screaming at each other, and trying to silence each other. That's not the way it's supposed to work. I think this is why the Founders came out as opposed to political parties in the first place.
 
2012-09-02 03:33:32 PM  

thamike: Snark Shark II: Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

If both parties aren't the same, that means people with vague yet non-negotiable dogma will have to pick one.


yes, it means we have to sacrifice some of our beliefs and ideals for what party we more strongly identify with. People forget that not everyone agrees with everything on a party platform. For moderates like me, it's just case-by-case basis regardless of party. Who is the lesser evil, that kind of thing. That's what it's come down to because both parties have embraced their extremists the last 10 years.
 
2012-09-02 03:33:48 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: zappaisfrank: Just more bullshiat from "Pretend Obama Land". It would be funnier if it weren't so farkin' pathetic.

They really are running against an Obama that only they can see


Check this out for a bizarre example. Where do they get the idea that Obama is thin skinned?

Warning free republic
 
2012-09-02 03:33:55 PM  

skipjack: cameroncrazy1984: .

You could've offered your reasons to be a Republican, or at least why YOU are a Republican. But no, you decided that we're all conspiring against you.

I've not said anyone is "conspiring" against me, I did expressed my disappointment that I expected much funnier replies.

I'm conservative because that's the political ideology I agree with. I'm not a car salesman and if you want a more convincing "why", you're not getting it.


Well, there goes my shot at getting into the mind of a conservative. *eyeroll*
 
2012-09-02 03:34:10 PM  

Riche: It's pretty damn scary when you think about just how many Americans are willing to swallow obvious lies and vote against the best interests of themselves, their country, and world.


someone show me a party that has my best interests at heart and I'll vote for them.

I'm not an illegal alien that just got a work permit from obama. in fact I'm in the age group that will compete with those 1.2 million he just legalized for jobs.
I'm not Chrysler UAW worker that got a government bailout, in fact I'm much more likely to be someone who would have been a private holder of Chrysler the bonds that got f*cked over by the administration so they could pay off the UAW.
I'm not a teacher, your knee jerk resistance to school choice can only hurt me and the larger society, not help me in anyway.
I'm not a minority so your support of outright racial discrimination through affirmative action will if anything cause me and my family to be a victim of government sponsored racial discrimination, not most likely only hurt me and my kids, not help me in anyway.
I'm not a healthcare provider charging exorbitant fees and using government patronage to artificially limit supply, nor am I an HCA or Insurance shareholder, so the obamacare corporate welfare bill is very unlikely to help me and will only exacerbate our problems over the long term because it does everything to avoid dealing with inflation. in fact I like my catastrophic healthplan, and the new regulations prohibit my purchase of this type of plan after 2014.
above all I believe in personal autonomy over statism, and in different but equally insidious ways the democratic party is just as bad if not worse on that front as the republicans. for instance, your retarded president thought it prudent to push through a bill that abolished habaes corpus for every single one of us.
your party has no interest whatsoever in altering our foreign policy of hyper aggressive military intervention (and has in fact ramped up intervention in many arenas), so I and the rest of the world am screwed by you in more ways than I even want to think about.
your party is dedicated to ensuring low capital gains rates for the rich and massive immigration which floods the labor market with workers and allows the ultra rich to keep ever more of what would have been labor costs or government taxes as profit.
I'm not a policeman, so your uncritical support of public unions helps ensure that I will under a hyper militarized security state where the LEOs are brutal and unaccountable.
I'm not a defense lawyer or prison union official, so your uncritical support of asinine drug laws can only harm me and my family and put us in increased danger.
I'm not a green energy ceo or a shareholder of Chinese industrial concerns, your asinine carbon policies from everything from ethanol to the carbon tax can only increase my costs.

if you can point out any evidence whatsoever that any party in this country has my interests at heart or even one that at least has the interests of the body politic as a whole over special interests and I'll be interested in listening to it. it does not exist.
 
2012-09-02 03:35:13 PM  
"Because Jebus, and racism"
 
2012-09-02 03:35:33 PM  
LOL, I have a neighbor who is a retired Army Colonel who just loves broadcasting his right wing views in our predominantly liberal university neighborhood.

He lives in this huge 1800s Victorian he keeps immaculately maintained. And then, he owns the two houses on either side and which he's surrounded with an 8 ft ornate wrought iron fence...nobody around here has their front yards fenced off.

And then he has this 40 ft aluminum flag pole he flies the Stars and Stripes on top, then the Texas flag, and the Confederate flag on the bottom. He also has a hideous gargoyle mounted on the peak of the eaves projecting from the porch to greet visitors.

Then, during the republican primaries this year he had the biggest Herman Cain yard sign I ever saw. The dude is the most awesome partisan troll ever. 

Been meaning to get some pics of it all. I think you farkers would get a kick out of it.
 
2012-09-02 03:36:23 PM  
MacEnvy

Because I'm an asshole


Link

Don't know why they don't play this song at the RNC gatherings.
 
2012-09-02 03:36:37 PM  

tony41454: As opposed to:
"I am a Democrat 'cuz Obamah gives me free stuff."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe in Utopia on Earth where Iranians kiss Jews and trees and snail darters are more important than people."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz I believe we have the right to kill babies."
"I am a Democrat 'cuz de President is ah BLACK man."

Seems the stocks of Kool-Aid have gone up dramatically.


"I am a Democrat because I'm not in denial and know that everyone pays taxes and that tax money is used for things that are beneficial to all. You didn't pay for the road, I didn't pay for the road, we all paid for the road through taxes and it benefits all of us."
"I am a Democrat because a Democrat killed Osama Bin Laden and kills Al Qaeda #2's with drones"
"I am a Democrat because as much as I hate abortion, the government's place is not in a woman's uterus, and Democrats actually try to prevent unwanted pregnancies"
"I am a Democrat because the President cares about more than just the top 1%"
 
2012-09-02 03:37:34 PM  

Degenz: LOL, I have a neighbor who is a retired Army Colonel who just loves broadcasting his right wing views in our predominantly liberal university neighborhood.

He lives in this huge 1800s Victorian he keeps immaculately maintained. And then, he owns the two houses on either side and which he's surrounded with an 8 ft ornate wrought iron fence...nobody around here has their front yards fenced off.

And then he has this 40 ft aluminum flag pole he flies the Stars and Stripes on top, then the Texas flag, and the Confederate flag on the bottom. He also has a hideous gargoyle mounted on the peak of the eaves projecting from the porch to greet visitors.

Then, during the republican primaries this year he had the biggest Herman Cain yard sign I ever saw. The dude is the most awesome partisan troll ever. 

Been meaning to get some pics of it all. I think you farkers would get a kick out of it.


Sounds like the Circus is in town every day of the year for you.
 
2012-09-02 03:37:45 PM  

Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?


Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.
 
2012-09-02 03:39:07 PM  

relcec: I'm not an illegal alien that just got a work permit from obama. in fact I'm in the age group that will compete with those 1.2 million he just legalized for jobs.


Is there some new work visa program I missed hearing?

relcec: I'm not Chrysler UAW worker that got a government bailout, in fact I'm much more likely to be someone who would have been a private holder of Chrysler the bonds that got f*cked over by the administration so they could pay off the UAW.


The bonds that were near worthless already because Chrysler was on the verge of bankruptcy?

relcec: I'm not a teacher, your knee jerk resistance to school choice can only hurt me and the larger society, not help me in anyway.


School choice as in subsidizing religious schools by using "school choice" as a cover?

Sorry but after the first couple, the rest of your overdramatic spiel just sounded way too derpy for my tastes.
 
2012-09-02 03:39:18 PM  

hubiestubert: I had hopes for the Modern Whigs, but their momentum was stymied by the TEA Party, sadly.


verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-02 03:39:49 PM  

BMulligan: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.


but there are some members of the Democratic party that are like that. Fringe maybe, but they exist as much as tea-party people.
 
2012-09-02 03:41:09 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: Jesus said to love thy neighbor. Seems to me that Democrats give more love than Republicans.

And don't give me "yeah, with other people's money" or else I'll break out the [red-state-socialism.jpg]


Hold on a second there pinko. That was commie Jesus not good old American supply side Jesus.
 
2012-09-02 03:41:25 PM  

Snark Shark II: Degenz: LOL, I have a neighbor who is a retired Army Colonel who just loves broadcasting his right wing views in our predominantly liberal university neighborhood.

He lives in this huge 1800s Victorian he keeps immaculately maintained. And then, he owns the two houses on either side and which he's surrounded with an 8 ft ornate wrought iron fence...nobody around here has their front yards fenced off.

And then he has this 40 ft aluminum flag pole he flies the Stars and Stripes on top, then the Texas flag, and the Confederate flag on the bottom. He also has a hideous gargoyle mounted on the peak of the eaves projecting from the porch to greet visitors.

Then, during the republican primaries this year he had the biggest Herman Cain yard sign I ever saw. The dude is the most awesome partisan troll ever. 

Been meaning to get some pics of it all. I think you farkers would get a kick out of it.

Sounds like the Circus is in town every day of the year for you.


Sorry, but I just got the mental scene of calliope music as he hoists the flags each morning.
 
2012-09-02 03:41:29 PM  

the.swartz: I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals.


What are the Republican ideals and what are the Democratic ideals?

Or, rather, I should ask: what do you imagine Republican ideals are and what do you imagine Democratic ideals are?
 
2012-09-02 03:42:02 PM  

BMulligan: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.


This. The DNC is going to be protested by real liberals. Whenever a republican accuses the democratic party of being liberal you know they lack reasoning skills. The current democratic party is a centrist party.
 
2012-09-02 03:43:11 PM  
I am a Republican because I was a dirty hippie in college but quickly discovered the liberals had no idea what they were taking about. My years of experience in the real world has only buffered this perception. Neither side is always right, but on balance the GOP gets it right far more than the Democrats. Intellectually I'm more of a libertarian, but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.
 
2012-09-02 03:43:34 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: This. The DNC is going to be protested by real liberals. Whenever a republican accuses the democratic party of being liberal you know they lack reasoning skills. The current democratic party is a centrist party.


Ayup. They wouldn't know what to do with a real liberal if they found one.
 
2012-09-02 03:44:23 PM  

ignatius_crumbcake: BMulligan: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

Have you seen the Democratic Party work to have investment income taxed at the same rate as wages? Have you seen the Democratic Party insist that defense budgets be slashed and the money invested in food, education, and health care? Have you seen the Democratic Party demand an immediate end to the "War on Drugs?" Have you seen the Democratic Party say Fark all about the evils of capitalism and the necessity of reeling in the corporate superstate? Have you even seen the Democratic Party mention the horror that is capital punishment?

When you see the Democratic Party endorse these positions, you'll see them behaving like liberals.

This. The DNC is going to be protested by real liberals. Whenever a republican accuses the democratic party of being liberal you know they lack reasoning skills. The current democratic party is a centrist party.


ah, I see. My mistake.
 
2012-09-02 03:44:28 PM  

Mrtraveler01: relcec: I'm not a teacher, your knee jerk resistance to school choice can only hurt me and the larger society, not help me in anyway.

School choice as in subsidizing religious schools by using "school choice" as a cover?


Seriously, this one just gets on my nerves.

All the time we hear conservatives whine about government subsidizing everything else other the sun but when it comes to funding private religious school, that's the one thing they don't want to cut funding for.

Makes the whole bootstraps talking point seem so farking stupid.

"I don't like the school I go to and can't afford anything else"
-GOP response: Well the clear solution is to offer more choices by subsidizing religious schools.

"I don't like the health insurance plan I have and can't afford anything else."
-GOP response: TS, you just need to pull yourself up by the bootstraps and find a way to pay this excessive costs off.
 
2012-09-02 03:45:23 PM  

parkthebus: but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.


Republicans drive us deeper into debt and into more wars than Democrats.

What the fark do they get right?
 
2012-09-02 03:47:02 PM  
Is anyone else bothered by just how young those delegates are?
 
2012-09-02 03:51:09 PM  

parkthebus: I'm more of a libertarian, but the Republicans get the fiscal and world issues right more than the Democrats IMHO.


You do realize that the Republican party is pretty much wholly responsible for the fiscal mess our country is currently in, don't you.

If Al Gore had been elected instead of George Bush, this country would probably be in pretty good fiscal shape. But, because of unfunded wars, unfunded new entitlements and massive tax cuts enacted during the Bush years, the country has seen $1 trillion+ deficits for the last several years. And, we'll probably be seeing large deficits for years to come.

The financial crisis would probably still have happened though, since Democrats joined Republicans in ending the handful of regulations on Big Finance that had stabilized that sector since the Great Depression.

www.motherjones.com
 
2012-09-02 03:53:22 PM  

IrateShadow: Is anyone else bothered by just how young those delegates are?


The GOP has invested serious resources into recruitment of young people for some time now.
 
2012-09-02 03:53:29 PM  
Actually, it's more like:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-02 03:53:43 PM  

Snark Shark II: Degenz: LOL, I have a neighbor who is a retired Army Colonel who just loves broadcasting his right wing views in our predominantly liberal university neighborhood.

He lives in this huge 1800s Victorian he keeps immaculately maintained. And then, he owns the two houses on either side and which he's surrounded with an 8 ft ornate wrought iron fence...nobody around here has their front yards fenced off.

And then he has this 40 ft aluminum flag pole he flies the Stars and Stripes on top, then the Texas flag, and the Confederate flag on the bottom. He also has a hideous gargoyle mounted on the peak of the eaves projecting from the porch to greet visitors.

Then, during the republican primaries this year he had the biggest Herman Cain yard sign I ever saw. The dude is the most awesome partisan troll ever. 

Been meaning to get some pics of it all. I think you farkers would get a kick out of it.

Sounds like the Circus is in town every day of the year for you.


Meh, it doesn't bother me anymore. I just wish I could talk to that guy, but he's all bunkered in. I bet he has some stories to tell.
 
2012-09-02 03:54:47 PM  

enforcerpsu: My party has failed me. It's been infiltrated by idiots and assholes. This November I'm voting for zombie Reagan.


It's Zombie Mondale for me. Wait, that guy's still alive? Yowsa. Okay, Zombie Carter, then.
No way, really? Alive? What the hell.
 
2012-09-02 03:54:50 PM  
Because women re-learn that their sole purpose is to be used as breeding stock.
 
2012-09-02 03:55:29 PM  

the.swartz: I tend to favor the Republican ideals over the Democratic ideals. At this point, however, it feels like both parties have lost their way. I've not come across anything that says one party is better than the other, and am very skeptical of anyone who evangelizes one party or candidate over another. I also do not believe that anyone understands the complexity of our socioeconomic system well enough to definitively state whether or not a given policy or dirction is beneficial or not. It's all a metter of perspective, I guess.


You believe that really, truly the republican party is going to start being fiscally conservative, now, really this time, for reals? Or that the money is going to start trickling down now, soon, really, really soon, really? Or what? The deficit is important? Really,now it's important! Really! And it will be even with a Republican in office! Really, this time we swear!!!
 
2012-09-02 03:55:56 PM  

randomjsa: Yes, we DID build that,


Exactly. We.
 
2012-09-02 04:02:11 PM  

12349876: "I am a Democrat because I'm not in denial and know that everyone pays taxes and that tax money is used for things that are beneficial to all. You didn't pay for the road, I didn't pay for the road, we all paid for the road through taxes and it benefits all of us."



you are in denial, or your remarkably ignorant of history.



Jimmy Carter
Lowered Maximum Tax Rate on Long-Term Capital Gains: 39.875% - 28%1&2

1. http://news.yahoo.com/eisenhower-obama-wealthiest-americans-pay-taxes - 193734550--abc-news.html

1. The United States Revenue Act of 1978, Pub.L. 95-600, 92 Stat. 2763, enacted November 6, 1978, amended the Internal Revenue Code by reducing individual income taxes (widening tax brackets and reducing the number of tax rates), increasing the personal exemption from $750 to $1,000, reducing corporate tax rates (the top rate falling from 48 percent to 46 percent), increasing the standard deduction from $3,200 to $3,400 (joint returns), increasing the capital gains exclusion from 50 percent to 60 percent (from an effective rate of 39% to 28%), and repealing the non-business exemption for state and local gasoline taxes.

The Act was passed by the 95th Congress (D) and was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on November 6, 1978.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1978


2. The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 (Pub.L. 105-34, H.R. 2014, 111 Stat. 787, enacted August 5, 1997) reduced several federal taxes in the United States. Subject to certain phase-in rules, the top capital gains rate fell from 28% to 20%. The 15% bracket was lowered to 10%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Relief_Act_of_1997

The bill was passed by a Republican congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton

In those two bills Democrats cut the taxes of the superich 50%.
Between that and saturating the labor market with cheap foreign laborers the Democrats have done more to devalue the labor of the working class and expand the profits of the ultrarich than anyone.
 
2012-09-02 04:03:45 PM  

MayoSlather: randomjsa: Yes, we DID build that,

Exactly. We.



Yes, government and private sector working together. And contrary to what randomjsa stated before, Democrats don't want people beholden to government. They want the government beholden to the people, whom it represents. Republicans want government as weak as possible so as to clear aware regulations and enforcement which prevent rapacious business from screwing everyone and everything else in pursuit of the almighty dollar for their stockholders.
 
2012-09-02 04:04:21 PM  

relcec: I'm a herpin' and a-derpin'


Could you stop lying if you wanted to? I know, I know. No.
 
2012-09-02 04:04:31 PM  
"...clear away regulations..."
 
2012-09-02 04:05:37 PM  

randomjsa: I'm a Republican because anyone who is paying attention can plainly see that Democrats maintain and continue to buy their way in to power by finding new and interesting ways to write government checks to as many people as possible and if the country goes broke in the process that's just fine because long term success or failure never mattered to a liberal anyway, only intentions.


Like defense contractors?
 
2012-09-02 04:06:22 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: [i49.tinypic.com image 639x440]

"I wasn't accepted to college."


That's funny, I graduated from college, pay taxes, and I'm damn near a socialist. Funny that.
 
2012-09-02 04:08:07 PM  

Mrtraveler01: relcec: I'm not Chrysler UAW worker that got a government bailout, in fact I'm much more likely to be someone who would have been a private holder of Chrysler the bonds that got f*cked over by the administration so they could pay off the UAW.

The bonds that were near worthless already because Chrysler was on the verge of bankruptcy?



the uaw pension fund didn't need to be made whole to bailout chrysler. taxpayer money was used to make the UAW pension fund whole, why not the bond holders who too the same chances put their retirement funds in the hands of chrysler? because the UAW is obama's political patron. my taxes are going to pay off the democrtatic parties political debts owed to extremely insular special interests. it reeks.
 
2012-09-02 04:09:47 PM  
randomjsa: I'm a Republican because anyone who is paying attention can plainly see that Democrats maintain and continue to buy their way in to power by finding new and interesting ways to write government checks to as many people as possible and if the country goes broke in the process that's just fine because long term success or failure never mattered to a liberal anyway, only intentions.

As opposed to writing checks to bankers who, after using it to leverage actual wealth out of the hands of the working class, turn it into derivatives, the derivatives into confetti and then - after getting "free money" from we the people to replace it - promptly shove it up their asses? I think sammiches and bus passes are cheaper and more useful. Thanks.
 
2012-09-02 04:13:31 PM  

Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?


That's easy.

1) Pay any attention to other, established, Western style, developed democracies (say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, France, Germany, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Austria...). Pay any attention to their mainstream political parties and politics.
2) Compare them to the US political parties and politics.
3) Note that the positions of the US Democrats would be the mainstream center right party's positions in pretty much all of these other developed, Western democracies, and the the US Republicans would be way to the right of the political spectrum of the rest of the Western democracies.
 
2012-09-02 04:15:46 PM  
if the democratic party just once actually took a political position that was an unadulterated progressive policy I might be forced to admit that party has some actual interests that square with those of the entire body politic, if not me in particular, more than with some political patron getting a fat government handout.
it has become so diseased with special interest political patronage that everything it touches turns to nonsensical and counterproductive dogshiat. not that the republicans are almost ever any better.
 
2012-09-02 04:17:17 PM  

relcec: 12349876: "I am a Democrat because I'm not in denial and know that everyone pays taxes and that tax money is used for things that are beneficial to all. You didn't pay for the road, I didn't pay for the road, we all paid for the road through taxes and it benefits all of us."


you are in denial, or your remarkably ignorant of history.



Jimmy Carter
Lowered Maximum Tax Rate on Long-Term Capital Gains: 39.875% - 28%1&2

1. http://news.yahoo.com/eisenhower-obama-wealthiest-americans-pay-taxes - 193734550--abc-news.html

1. The United States Revenue Act of 1978, Pub.L. 95-600, 92 Stat. 2763, enacted November 6, 1978, amended the Internal Revenue Code by reducing individual income taxes (widening tax brackets and reducing the number of tax rates), increasing the personal exemption from $750 to $1,000, reducing corporate tax rates (the top rate falling from 48 percent to 46 percent), increasing the standard deduction from $3,200 to $3,400 (joint returns), increasing the capital gains exclusion from 50 percent to 60 percent (from an effective rate of 39% to 28%), and repealing the non-business exemption for state and local gasoline taxes.

The Act was passed by the 95th Congress (D) and was signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on November 6, 1978.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revenue_Act_of_1978


2. The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 (Pub.L. 105-34, H.R. 2014, 111 Stat. 787, enacted August 5, 1997) reduced several federal taxes in the United States. Subject to certain phase-in rules, the top capital gains rate fell from 28% to 20%. The 15% bracket was lowered to 10%.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxpayer_Relief_Act_of_1997

The bill was passed by a Republican congress and signed into law by Bill Clinton

In those two bills Democrats cut the taxes of the superich 50%.
Between that and saturating the labor market with cheap foreign laborers the Democrats have done more to devalue the labor of the working class and expand the profits of the ultrarich than anyone.


So vote for the folks who want to completely eliminate Capital gains taxes.
 
2012-09-02 04:18:37 PM  

WorldCitizen: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

That's easy.

1) Pay any attention to other, established, Western style, developed democracies (say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, France, Germany, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Austria...). Pay any attention to their mainstream political parties and politics.
2) Compare them to the US political parties and politics.
3) Note that the positions of the US Democrats would be the mainstream center right party's positions in pretty much all of these other developed, Western democracies, and the the US Republicans would be way to the right of the political spectrum of the rest of the Western democracies.


yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.
 
2012-09-02 04:18:42 PM  

relcec: [The Democratic Party] has become so diseased with special interest political patronage that everything it touches turns to nonsensical and counterproductive dogshiat. not that the republicans are almost ever never any better ^and, usually, quite a bit worse.


FTFY.
 
2012-09-02 04:19:53 PM  

WorldCitizen: Snark Shark II: BMulligan: hubiestubert: We do need a functional Conservative party in this country

We have a functional conservative party in this country - it's called the Democratic Party. What we don't have - and what we need - is a functional liberal party in this country.

Explain how Democrats are conservative again, please?

That's easy.

1) Pay any attention to other, established, Western style, developed democracies (say, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, France, Germany, Iceland, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Ireland, Switzerland, Austria...). Pay any attention to their mainstream political parties and politics.
2) Compare them to the US political parties and politics.
3) Note that the positions of the US Democrats would be the mainstream center right party's positions in pretty much all of these other developed, Western democracies, and the the US Republicans would be way to the right of the political spectrum of the rest of the Western democracies.


I've had this discussion before.

The excuse the right uses is basically "well that's for other countries, but here in America, they're the libbiest libs to ever libbed".

And then when you tell them the political spectrum doesn't allow you to choose what is liberal and what is conservative, they just ignore you.
 
2012-09-02 04:20:13 PM  

buckler: Snark Shark II: Degenz: LOL, I have a neighbor who is a retired Army Colonel who just loves broadcasting his right wing views in our predominantly liberal university neighborhood.

He lives in this huge 1800s Victorian he keeps immaculately maintained. And then, he owns the two houses on either side and which he's surrounded with an 8 ft ornate wrought iron fence...nobody around here has their front yards fenced off.

And then he has this 40 ft aluminum flag pole he flies the Stars and Stripes on top, then the Texas flag, and the Confederate flag on the bottom. He also has a hideous gargoyle mounted on the peak of the eaves projecting from the porch to greet visitors.

Then, during the republican primaries this year he had the biggest Herman Cain yard sign I ever saw. The dude is the most awesome partisan troll ever. 

Been meaning to get some pics of it all. I think you farkers would get a kick out of it.

Sounds like the Circus is in town every day of the year for you.

Sorry, but I just got the mental scene of calliope music as he hoists the flags each morning.


I've got someone like that a couple miles down the road from my house. They fly the Confederate flag above the US flag....which is a big no-no, and then there's someone a few houses down from them that flies the American flag upside down.

I live in the heart of Teabaggerville, in the wonderful state of North Derpolina.
 
2012-09-02 04:20:15 PM  

Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.


Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?
 
2012-09-02 04:22:05 PM  

eraser8: Snark Shark II: yeah, that was my mistake. I wasn't comparing the Democratic Party to other parties in other countries.

Okay, you asked how the Democratic Party is conservative.

But, to get a reasonable answer, you need to offer a definition of what "conservative" means.

So, what do you imagine that "conservative" means?


farther right than right of center
 
2012-09-02 04:22:25 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I've got someone like that a couple miles down the road from my house. They fly the Confederate flag above the US flag....which is a big no-no, and then there's someone a few houses down from them that flies the American flag upside down.

I live in the heart of Teabaggerville, in the wonderful state of North Derpolina.


*headsmack*
 
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