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(NPR)   The real battle of Michigan's soul is over swine   (npr.org) divider line 30
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2012-09-01 07:25:52 PM
Each pig costs farmers $600,000 a year. Those are some pigs with expensive tastes.
 
2012-09-01 07:29:04 PM
So the DNR is worried about Russian feral hogs outcompeting our native feral hogs?

Either the DNR typed up this order at 4:30 on a Friday, or this is much ado about nothing, fanned by right wing paranoiacs.

Is that a word?
 
2012-09-01 07:32:11 PM
Truly a porcine of a normally thriving industry.
 
2012-09-01 07:34:07 PM
They'll be there cheering on the football team against Alabama in a half hour.
 
2012-09-01 07:51:07 PM
Farmer keeps his livestock. Feral pigs are killed by anybody with a gun. There doesn't have to be anything to see here.
 
2012-09-01 07:52:08 PM

You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. And when you got your six pieces, you gotta get rid of them, because it's no good leaving it in the deep freeze for your mum to discover, now is it? Then I hear the best thing to do is feed them to pigs. You got to starve the pigs for a few days, then the sight of a chopped-up body will look like curry to a pisshead.

You gotta shave the heads of your victims, and pull the teeth out for the sake of the piggies' digestion. You could do this afterwards, of course, but you don't want to go sievin' through pig shiat, now do you? They will go through bone like butter. You need at least sixteen pigs to finish the job in one sitting, so be wary of any man who keeps a pig farm. They will go through a body that weighs 200 pounds in about eight minutes. That means that a single pig can consume two pounds of uncooked flesh every minute. Hence the expression, "as greedy as a pig".


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2012-09-01 07:53:25 PM


Misinformation certainly hasn't helped. Dave Tuxbury, a rancher who raised Russian boar primarily for hunting facilities, had his boar - and their piglets - killed to comply with the state's order. But a misleading version of his story, reporting that Tuxbury was forced to kill his herd in an armed raid, was spread by both social and traditional media.

DNR never conducted raids forcing farmers to kill their pigs on the spot, and has created a Web page to help combat misinformation. But, as the DNR's Shannon Hanna explains, those who raise the swine "need to, by law, abate a public nuisance. These folks can shoot their own swine, they can harvest it, use it as they want, eat it," she says.

Mark Baker contends he's fond of his swine, just as he's fond of his dogs. "They can't force me to shoot an animal. I won't do it. I refuse to do it," he says.



[earlier in article]


Mark Baker left the military eight years ago to start Baker's Green Acres, a small farm in Marion, Mich., with his wife and kids. Since then, he's put a whole lot of love, money and time into developing tasty charcuterie: salted and cured pork, derived from his hybrids of Russian boar and the heritage breed Mangalitsa.

"My chefs love it," Baker says. "They like the dark red meat, the woody flavor and the glistening fat."


/facepalm
//double facepalm for the guy who raised them for a freaking hunting ranch
///I'd say a compromise where if the boars are proven to be domesticated and the enclosures proven to be sound, you can get a temporary license from the DNR to be renewed every few years to make sure another goddamn breeding population doesn't escape, but that's just me
////we have enough f--king invasives to deal with here already. It's a DAMN GOOD THING the DNR is addressing this. Maybe they can do it in a gentler way, fine. But you f--king KNOW the same farmers biatching about draconian government would be f--king whining for compensation if wild boars tear apart their crops
 
2012-09-01 08:02:35 PM

dv-ous: Farmer keeps his livestock. Feral pigs are killed by anybody with a gun. There doesn't have to be anything to see here.


Yeah. Because they'll surely get them all.

It's not like Michigan has a lot of agriculture, or anything.

Also, WE CAN SEE THIS COMING. Like the goddamn Asian Carp (it's not like a significant portion of Michigan's economy is linked to fishing and tourism, or anything). We didn't get that luxury with the Goby, motherf--king haunt your nightmares Sea Lamprey, Zebra Mussels, or the 106 other invasives of Michigan (only fauna)... well, we should have figured out sooner how risky ballast water practices were.

We don't need any more invasives. We ESPECIALLY don't need more invasives that we can already see prowling around the goddamn backyard at 2 AM. You call the f--king cops, you don't sit inside and wait until they break in to do so.
 
2012-09-01 08:06:46 PM
Okay, so it's 184 flora *and* fauna invasives in the Great Lakes.

linky link.

/I could be wrong, but I swear it's 106 of non-plant-invasives on the NOAA chart I have on the wall at work. And I think my chart is for Michigan + the lakes, not just the lakes. Whatever.
//Met the woman who made that chart
 
2012-09-01 08:15:00 PM
what a Russian pig!
 
2012-09-01 08:30:30 PM
Feral pigs can be a problem. This google map shows them mainly existing in the South (Texas is saturated) and California. The main complaint I heard against them in hilly parts of California is that their rooting causes lots of extra erosion.

The problem with Russian pigs is that they are winterized - they can survive cold winters in the wild and if a breeding population is established then the above map may become as blue in the north as it is in the south.

I sympathize with the farmer but hate how he wraps himself in the US flag and states as fact such lies as "his pigs don't want to escape". Throughout the history of the world there are many stories and legal cases about escaped pigs and in many cultures it an acknowledged job of the farm children to go find the pigs and bring them back home.

If this guy has 200 pigs each year and only 2 of them escape permanently then to him he doesn't have a pig escape problem while in terms of establishing a breeding feral population he does. Maybe what he needs is is some sort of compound with 6 foot concrete walls and 4 foot foundations to ensure he has no escapees.

I am also sympathetic with his (slightly paranoid) view that Big Pork Agribusiness is just wants to put the little pork farmers out of business by whatever means possible. However his position would come off better if it was more about removing the control of Big Pork on governmental policy than going full Teabagger against government.
 
2012-09-01 08:54:19 PM
That's because the state up north is populated by swine.

And devil-worshiping baby-killers.
 
2012-09-01 09:07:16 PM
Commie swine.
 
2012-09-01 09:09:33 PM
The Michigan DNR believes there is a problem with feral swine. I have not run across anyone who agrees with that. I could easily be wrong but I have a farm in Michigan and have heard zero complaints about feral hogs from any other farmers. I have heard a lot of complaints about Whitetail Deer and Canada Geese. Zero about feral hogs. There may be some up north, but I have heard nothing, it has not been on the news.

The Russian boar raised in Michigan are raised for hunting on hunting preserves. Regardless of your opinion about canned hunts (I think they suck), the fact is that these hogs represent a significant investment and a significant potential profit for the preserve owner. The lengths to which these guys have gone to maintain secure fences is absurd. Every hog that escapes is a loss of potential profit.

The criteria to determine whether a hog is feral or not are not only ridiculously vague, they take in all pigs. 2 of them are that the ears can either be erect or floppy, and the tails can either be curly or straight. As someone who raises hogs, I can state unequivocally that, for both the tails and the ears, those are the only two options available for pigs. Further, the use of the word feral would normally describe animals running free with no dependence on humans for survival. Pigs that are in a confined location and under the watchful care of humans can hardly be considered feral regardless of physical traits.

The real problem with this order is that it is overly vague and subject to broad interpretation. This DNR may not be going after a farmer's pigs, but the wording of the order would certainly permit it. There is absolutely no assurance that the next DNR officer to come down the pike won't go after any hogs that are not crate and confinement raised in some CAFO. The fact that the Michigan Pork Producers endorses this order raises suspicions by itself. There is a growing trend in Michigan and other places to raise heritage breed pork. Full disclosure here, I do so myself. A bit over 100 hogs per year, farrow to finish, heritage breed; my customers are high end restaurants and home foodies. I also sell my hogs for at least double what the commercial guys get. And that pisses them off to no end. We little, heritage breed producers are skimming the cream off the market. It would give the big boys great pleasure to put us out of business. And that's not my paranoia speaking - two of the local "big" producers have told me this directly. They consider me, and guys like me, anachronisms that need to be nipped in the bud. None of which gives any of us little guys any comfort when we read the vagueness of the DNR order and the DNR's complete unwillingness to document their commitment to not go after small producers.

This is big government and big pork operating hand-in-hand to stifle competition. Mike Baker is right to file suit against the DNR. Lots of us appreciate him being the standard-bearer.
 
2012-09-01 09:13:38 PM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Each pig costs farmers $600,000 a year. Those are some pigs with expensive tastes.


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2012-09-01 09:30:10 PM
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2012-09-01 10:02:38 PM
So a while back a buddy was telling me this story about some yankee that came down to Texas to go hunting. Almost no deer worth killing but the local ranchers all have feral hogs that need thinning out and he had a great time shooting those b left and right. In fact he had such a good time shooting those that he decide to come back with a trailer and bring a whole bunch back up north to start his own hunting ranch, with hogs, Texas local wild + superdupertough russian boar mix hogs. So he gets them up north and he fences them in with.....barb wire. Local legend goes that the rancher didnt lose 2, he lost all of them, in like a week. So yea you kids have fun hunting those hogs, I cook up one every month or so.

Anyhoo Texas las were passed to prevent ANYONE from transporting live feral hogs UNLESS....they were going directly to slaughter. Which is fine by me because feral hog meat is a hellova lot tastier than H.E.B's overpriced pork and only requires a bit more work to butcher.

I still hear horror stories from ranchers about how the hogs are going to eat EVERYTHING or how any minute now cars are going to start getting wiped out by the thousands every day from the wandering masses of millions of hogs. Still hasn't happened, and it still cost a couple hundred bucks per hog to go shoot them on the hunting ranches Yea, billions of dollars of damage, sure. Gotta love marketing.
 
2012-09-01 10:04:09 PM

Mr. Right: The Michigan DNR believes there is a problem with feral swine. I have not run across anyone who agrees with that. I could easily be wrong but I have a farm in Michigan and have heard zero complaints about feral hogs from any other farmers. I have heard a lot of complaints about Whitetail Deer and Canada Geese. Zero about feral hogs. There may be some up north, but I have heard nothing, it has not been on the news.



...you do realize that they'd like to PREVENT them from becoming a problem, right? Instead of going down the same path as governments have with zebra mussels, asian carp, and so forth. It's like saying a big hole in the roof is fine because it isn't raining
 
2012-09-01 10:04:58 PM

orclover: So a while back a buddy was telling me this story about some yankee that came down to Texas to go hunting. Almost no deer worth killing but the local ranchers all have feral hogs that need thinning out and he had a great time shooting those b left and right. In fact he had such a good time shooting those that he decide to come back with a trailer and bring a whole bunch back up north to start his own hunting ranch, with hogs, Texas local wild + superdupertough russian boar mix hogs. So he gets them up north and he fences them in with.....barb wire. Local legend goes that the rancher didnt lose 2, he lost all of them, in like a week. So yea you kids have fun hunting those hogs, I cook up one every month or so.

Anyhoo Texas las were passed to prevent ANYONE from transporting live feral hogs UNLESS....they were going directly to slaughter. Which is fine by me because feral hog meat is a hellova lot tastier than H.E.B's overpriced pork and only requires a bit more work to butcher.

I still hear horror stories from ranchers about how the hogs are going to eat EVERYTHING or how any minute now cars are going to start getting wiped out by the thousands every day from the wandering masses of millions of hogs. Still hasn't happened, and it still cost a couple hundred bucks per hog to go shoot them on the hunting ranches Yea, billions of dollars of damage, sure. Gotta love marketing.


cool story bro can i get it in paper back?
 
2012-09-01 10:11:59 PM
Looking over the list of characteristics of Russian Boar, I do believe that Rosie O'Donnell has several of them.
 
2012-09-01 11:20:59 PM
I was seriously worried this was going to be about my uncle, who also lives in Michigan and raises pigs. He wasn't high on the list of family members most likely to end up in an article linked on Fark. I was all in on my cousin, the pothead redneck who is a minesweeper.
 
2012-09-01 11:51:25 PM
The real battle of Michigan's soul is over, swine

FTFY
 
2012-09-02 03:04:55 AM

Mr. Right: This is big government and big pork operating hand-in-hand to stifle competition. Mike Baker is right to file suit against the DNR. Lots of us appreciate him being the standard-bearer.


That's bullshiat. The government has repeatedly shown that it has the right to step in and regulate the husbandry, selling and butchering of animals on both the state and federal level. I'd be sure as shiat that you won't shed a tear for a pet store owner that is told that he can't sell certain snakes and turtles because they are an illegal invasive species, so I don't see what this retarded farmer who decided to stake his entire business on this pig has done to get himself a free pass - other than showing the foresight and savy of an asbestos salesman (there's another product that got made illegal to use in many places and yes, many a tear was not shed for the poor bastards who were unlucky enough to manufacture and sell asbestos).

Sometimes you make decisions in life that don't work out for you. Deal with it teatards.
 
2012-09-02 05:59:05 AM

D3_WR: Mr. Right: The Michigan DNR believes there is a problem with feral swine. I have not run across anyone who agrees with that. I could easily be wrong but I have a farm in Michigan and have heard zero complaints about feral hogs from any other farmers. I have heard a lot of complaints about Whitetail Deer and Canada Geese. Zero about feral hogs. There may be some up north, but I have heard nothing, it has not been on the news.



...you do realize that they'd like to PREVENT them from becoming a problem, right? Instead of going down the same path as governments have with zebra mussels, asian carp, and so forth. It's like saying a big hole in the roof is fine because it isn't raining


It was dealt with a couple of years ago. It's called a shoot on sight order. Anyone who wants to can go out and track down these supposed herds of feral hogs and wipe them out on sight. And still no reports of feral swine activity.
 
2012-09-02 06:26:07 AM

TwistedFark: Mr. Right: This is big government and big pork operating hand-in-hand to stifle competition. Mike Baker is right to file suit against the DNR. Lots of us appreciate him being the standard-bearer.

That's bullshiat. The government has repeatedly shown that it has the right to step in and regulate the husbandry, selling and butchering of animals on both the state and federal level. I'd be sure as shiat that you won't shed a tear for a pet store owner that is told that he can't sell certain snakes and turtles because they are an illegal invasive species, so I don't see what this retarded farmer who decided to stake his entire business on this pig has done to get himself a free pass - other than showing the foresight and savy of an asbestos salesman (there's another product that got made illegal to use in many places and yes, many a tear was not shed for the poor bastards who were unlucky enough to manufacture and sell asbestos).

Sometimes you make decisions in life that don't work out for you. Deal with it teatards.


I could respond to your tirade but when you refer to Baker as a retarded farmer and use the term teatard, you identify yourself as a sycophantic liberal who believes that government intervention and control of every aspect of life is not only a good thing, but necessary to human survival. In your case, you're probably right.
 
2012-09-02 09:15:52 AM

Mr. Right: And still no reports of feral swine activity.


Gee, the National Feral Swine Mapping System disagrees with you. I count 6 regions in Michigan with feral swine populations. which is more than all the other far northern states combined.
 
2012-09-02 09:34:42 AM
I had assumed they meant our women in michigan.. But then noticed they didnt say drunken swine..
 
2012-09-02 10:11:38 AM

HairBolus: Mr. Right: And still no reports of feral swine activity.

Gee, the National Feral Swine Mapping System disagrees with you. I count 6 regions in Michigan with feral swine populations. which is more than all the other far northern states combined.


Gee, a report that relies on the reports of wildlife officials in the states! Given that the DNR in Michigan has been trying to create a crisis where none exists, I'm not sure I'd put a lot of faith in their reports. Especially since, if you look further on your site, the previous map is dated 2004 and lists 0 populations in Michigan. What has changed in the past 8 years? DNR funding has been cut and their power reduced as well. When you try to cut bureaucracies, bad things happen - even if the bureaucracy has to make them happen.

The DNR continues to come out with reports of how bad Russian Boar invasion is in the state and they claim that fewer counties don't have a problem than do. Apparently those have occurred after 8/15/2012, the last date of the Feral Swine Map, since there are 83 counties in Michigan and only 6 dots on your map That would mean that they have only reported 1 in 6 counties. Or they're lying.. And yet there are no reports of activity or crop damage that any farmers are making. Those are the same farmers that are not hesitant to complain about crop damage from the deer herd, which the DNR also mismanages.

But the most insidious thing about the ISO is that it focuses more attention inside the fence than outside. DNR has no business inside the fence,their focus should be outside. The hunting preserves that offer the canned hunts operate under the auspices of the MDA, not the DNR. The only interface with DNR is that hunters on preserves must have a valid, State of Michigan hunting license. Why would anyone think that the DNR is even a little bit jealous of MDA?  Why would DNR be trying to horn in on MDA territory?
 
2012-09-02 08:56:44 PM

Mr. Right: Gee, a report that relies on the reports of wildlife officials in the states!


You can tell when somebody has gone full Teabagger derp when their response to evidence is postulating a large government involved conspiracy that is just making up the evidence.

On the slight chance that there really is such a conspiracy one needs to examine the reports of feral Russian pigs in Michigan and show that they are entirely invented. Instead we get tin-foil-hat brigade level reasoning that assumes no feral pigs, assumes a conspiracy, and assumes that reports of feral pigs are manufactured by the conspiracy to advance its aims - and that this sort of paranoid reasoning is all that is needed to prove a conspiracy exists.
 
2012-09-02 10:50:40 PM

HairBolus: You can tell when somebody has gone full Teabagger derp when their response to evidence is postulating a large government involved conspiracy that is just making up the evidence.


I pointed out the flaws in your evidence. Do you have supporting evidence that is plausible and coherent?

Your reference to teabagger derp simply tells me that you're a kool-aide drinker with the intellectual depth of a puddle of piss on a rock.
 
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