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2012-09-01 05:48:46 PM
"That, it seems to me, is the most important promise that the president has not been able to keep," said William Galston, a former Clinton administration aide who now is a fellow at the Brookings Institution and studies political polarization. "It will long be debated by historians whether he tried and failed, or didn't really try at all."

[wtfamireading?]

How about no?

It will not be debated among historians.

On the other hand, the historic levels of Republican obstructionism that are well documented *will* be held up as a model of just how dysfunctional and divisive a political party can become.

A [donotwant] poster child for political FAIL. 

So there's that.

/Wow, they are letting just anybody into the Brookings Institute these days, aint they?
 
2012-09-01 05:53:32 PM
tampabay.com
 
2012-09-01 06:04:07 PM
You didn't graph that
 
2012-09-01 06:11:49 PM

quatchi: On the other hand, the historic levels of Republican obstructionism that are well documented *will* be held up as a model of just how dysfunctional and divisive a political party can become.


The history of almost all the great councils and consultations held among mankind for reconciling their discordant opinions, assuaging their mutual jealousies, and adjusting their respective interests, is a history of factions, contentions, and disappointments, and may be classed among the most dark and degraded pictures which display the infirmities and depravities of the human character. If, in a few scattered instances, a brighter aspect is presented, they serve only as exceptions to admonish us of the general truth; and by their lustre to darken the gloom of the adverse prospect to which they are contrasted. In revolving the causes from which these exceptions result, and applying them to the particular instances before us, we are necessarily led to two important conclusions. The first is, that the convention must have enjoyed, in a very singular degree, an exemption from the pestilential influence of party animosities the disease most incident to deliberative bodies, and most apt to contaminate their proceedings. The second conclusion is that all the deputations composing the convention were satisfactorily accommodated by the final act, or were induced to accede to it by a deep conviction of the necessity of sacrificing private opinions and partial interests to the public good, and by a despair of seeing this necessity diminished by delays or by new experiments. - Federalist #37, "Publius" (probably James Madison)
 
2012-09-01 06:19:50 PM
Why do I feel like a lot of the posters in this thread are going to ignore every positive metric in that table (including the both the 9:3 good:bad ratio on the economy and the 5:0 ratio for small business), and focus entirely on that 11:7 bad:good ratio in 'Taxes'...?
 
2012-09-01 06:20:46 PM

cretinbob: You didn't graph that


lulz
 
2012-09-01 06:22:59 PM

namatad: [tampabay.com image 614x780]


That looks like a game board. "Seven? Damn! I landed on the Transparency and Ethics broken promise!" *moves back two spaces*
 
2012-09-01 06:30:12 PM
I'd like to see how it compares before I judge.

Can we get one for the Republican promises, like

"Jobs!" Broken
"JOBS!" BROKEN
"JOBS!" BROKEN
"JOBS!" BROKEN

"JOBS!" BROKEN
 
2012-09-01 06:34:41 PM

abb3w: the pestilential influence of party animosities


Seems an apt way to describe the three-way Paultard versus Teatard versus GOP-E cage match we just observed in Tampa as well as the pants-on-head 'party before country' kamikaze 2012 Republicans.

/Madison, he was the one with the hot wife, right?
 
2012-09-01 06:43:56 PM

quatchi: abb3w: the pestilential influence of party animosities

Seems an apt way to describe the three-way Paultard versus Teatard versus GOP-E cage match we just observed in Tampa as well as the pants-on-head 'party before country' kamikaze 2012 Republicans.

/Madison, he was the one with the hot wife, right?


Oh, yeah...so sweet

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-01 07:01:25 PM
It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.
 
2012-09-01 07:07:08 PM

GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.


He's going to repeal Obamneycare, cut taxes for the rich (sorry, "Job Creators"), try to "reform" Medicare and gut environmental regulations. I think he's made at least those few issues pretty clear.
 
2012-09-01 07:08:42 PM

GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.


yes no sort of
President Obama is running on the "I wont fark us over like rmoney is promising to do."
Which leads to which of the two will do less evil?
R: cut taxes on rich, raise taxes on the poor, cut social spending, cut regulation, make abortion illegal, gays are icky
O: keep doing what we have been doing. raise taxes on the 1%, keep abortion legal, equal rights

in the end, I have been a single issue voter. keeping abortion legal.
toss in equal rights and I have no choice but to vote for O
 
2012-09-01 07:12:39 PM
Looks pretty damn good to me, would be interesting to see this compared to W, Clinton, etc.

The complaint about not increasing bipartisanship is absolutely ridiculous. How can you work with people who call you a liar in the middle of a State of the Union speech, are convinced that you weren't born in this country and as a rule say no to everything you suggest? The Republicans have been very vocal about not wanting to compromise or work with the White House at all, yet they still complain about Obama's lack of bipartisanship.

That article seemed pretty subjective and opinionated too, I thought PolitiFact was trying to appear objective?
 
2012-09-01 07:14:09 PM

namatad: President Obama is running on the "I wont fark us over like rmoney is promising to do."


Yeah, but can you think of any specifics he's offered? Off the top of your head, what's he campaigning on he'd do, specifically?
 
2012-09-01 07:35:55 PM

GAT_00: namatad: President Obama is running on the "I wont fark us over like rmoney is promising to do."

Yeah, but can you think of any specifics he's offered? Off the top of your head, what's he campaigning on he'd do, specifically?


increase taxes on the 1%

plus, the theory is that a campaign is to explain the voter what the candidate will do in office.
I know what Obama will do. He will continue to do what he has been doing:
not fark the little guy,
not start yet another war,
bring the boys and girls home from Afghanistan
not cut social spending
not cut regulations
not nominate a justice who is anti-choice
not sign legislation making gays second class citizens
not let the oil companies blindly do anything that they want
do 100% better job at representing me while running the country
not waste time and money investigating the gold standard (ROFL)

so yah ...
I have a pretty damn good idea what President Obama will do in his second term.
(Plus, people who voted for him the first time have already gotten email with his secret second term agenda items.)
(you legalize drugs, enforce sharia law, rape all the white women)


to be honest
given that the other side has done LESS to show us what they will do, why does it matter that the other side hasnt either?

R wins: things will be more like when W was president. SHUDDER
O wins: things will be more like the last 4 years.

I look at trends like unemployment. stock market, housing, healthcare, etc. I pick O's slopes over W's slopes.

/seriously the most epic troll on the GOP would be if Obama shut down the DEA and legalized all drugs at the federal level.
 
2012-09-01 07:39:22 PM

namatad: GAT_00: namatad: President Obama is running on the "I wont fark us over like rmoney is promising to do."

Yeah, but can you think of any specifics he's offered? Off the top of your head, what's he campaigning on he'd do, specifically?

increase taxes on the 1%

plus, the theory is that a campaign is to explain the voter what the candidate will do in office.
I know what Obama will do. He will continue to do what he has been doing:
not fark the little guy,
not start yet another war,
bring the boys and girls home from Afghanistan
not cut social spending
not cut regulations
not nominate a justice who is anti-choice
not sign legislation making gays second class citizens
not let the oil companies blindly do anything that they want
do 100% better job at representing me while running the country
not waste time and money investigating the gold standard (ROFL)

so yah ...
I have a pretty damn good idea what President Obama will do in his second term.
(Plus, people who voted for him the first time have already gotten email with his secret second term agenda items.)
(you legalize drugs, enforce sharia law, rape all the white women)


to be honest
given that the other side has done LESS to show us what they will do, why does it matter that the other side hasnt either?

R wins: things will be more like when W was president. SHUDDER
O wins: things will be more like the last 4 years.

I look at trends like unemployment. stock market, housing, healthcare, etc. I pick O's slopes over W's slopes.

/seriously the most epic troll on the GOP would be if Obama shut down the DEA and legalized all drugs at the federal level.


So you came up with one promise. None of the rest of that is a promise, it's assumptions, or continuations. He's running on nothing. Hell, he's not even promising to continue his own policies.
 
2012-09-01 07:43:41 PM
derp?
what do you mean promise?
since when does promise mean ANYTHING for these people in the first place?
Obama promised to keep going all the wonderful thing that he has done in his first term.
As an adult, I didnt need him to enumerate the millions of wonderful things that he has done.
So do a search and find the first 100 things that you can that President Obama has done.
TADA

WAIT WHAT?!!!
Are you saying that all candidates need to campaign the same insane way that the GOP candidate does???
fark THAT shiat
 
2012-09-01 07:45:06 PM

CommieTaoist: The complaint about not increasing bipartisanship is absolutely ridiculous.


"Bipartianship" = doing exactly what the Republicans want, dontcha know.
 
2012-09-01 07:51:08 PM

GAT_00: He's running on nothing.


No, he's running on his record.
 
2012-09-01 08:07:41 PM

namatad: Are you saying that all candidates need to campaign the same insane way that the GOP candidate does???


You're supposed to actually offer a reason to vote for him again. They're both running on a not campaign - Romney as a Nobama, Obama as a NotRepublican, even though he a clone of a Republican 20 years ago. It's annoying as fark.
 
2012-09-01 08:23:14 PM
Obama's been playing Tetris with the American people all along!
 
2012-09-01 08:33:10 PM

GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.


It doesn't make much sense to make campaign promises when you're already in office.

namatad: in the end, I have been a single issue voter. keeping abortion legal.


Why? How many pro-life Presidents have we had in the last 30 years? 3? Is abortion illegal?
 
2012-09-01 08:44:23 PM
Obama ended the Iraq war? More like he adhered to the pre-established withdrawal timetable created by Bush.
 
2012-09-01 08:45:25 PM

themindiswatching: CommieTaoist: The complaint about not increasing bipartisanship is absolutely ridiculous.

"Bipartianship" = doing exactly what the Republicans want, dontcha know.


Well, at least one Republican tells the truth

www.addictinginfo.org

"I certainly think bipartisanship ought to consist of Democrats coming to the Republican point of view," [Richard] Mourdock declared. "If we [win the House, Senate, and White House], bipartisanship means they have to come our way, and if we're successful in getting the numbers, we'll work towards that."
 
2012-09-01 08:55:30 PM

GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.


I don't think he needs to promise us much of anything beyond continuing to work on the things he promised us originally, because there's a lot of unfinished business. At least that's where I stand with him.
 
2012-09-01 08:59:08 PM

EnviroDude: Obama ended the Iraq war? More like he adhered to the pre-established withdrawal timetable created by Bush.


The timetable to withdrawal once he was conveniently out of office? Like McCain would have followed that. He's pissed we're not in Iran and Syria.
 
2012-09-01 08:59:49 PM

namatad: /seriously the most epic troll on the GOP would be if Obama shut down the DEA and legalized all drugs at the federal level.


It'd be nice...
 
2012-09-01 09:00:22 PM

quatchi: Seems an apt way to describe the three-way Paultard versus Teatard versus GOP-E cage match we just observed in Tampa as well as the pants-on-head 'party before country' kamikaze 2012 Republicans.


Was more or less what I was thinking.

fusillade762: He's going to repeal Obamneycare, cut taxes for the rich (sorry, "Job Creators"), try to "reform" Medicare and gut environmental regulations. I think he's made at least those few issues pretty clear.


You forgot defunding planned parenthood entirely, and the couple departments like HUD and Education that he wanted to axe.
 
2012-09-01 09:18:35 PM

Mugato: EnviroDude: Obama ended the Iraq war? More like he adhered to the pre-established withdrawal timetable created by Bush.

The timetable to withdrawal once he was conveniently out of office? Like McCain would have followed that. He's pissed we're not in Iran and Syria.


He totally would have! Just like Republicans were totally happy to let the TEMPORARY tax cuts expire.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-01 09:20:47 PM
What the infographic doesn't say is that all of the "Promises Kept" are about Kenyanizing the economy with the socialisms.
 
2012-09-01 09:24:37 PM
I voted for Obama for three reasons

1) close Gitmo
2)end Iraq and Afghanistan
3)improved infrastucture

1- Broken
2- Iraq ended late/Afghanistan still ongoing
3- Stimulus money went here but our infrastructure is farked and there is no indication it is a priority to Obama.

What to do?
 
2012-09-01 09:29:57 PM
LOL. As I understand it Obama's promise was essentially to bring an attitude of bipartisanship and compromise to the discussion HIMSELF, not to exercise total mind-control over the OTHER party such that they could not be spitefully destructive children obstructing reasonable action at every turn.

/if that's the kind of leadership you want, vote Mule in 2016
 
2012-09-01 09:31:07 PM

llort dam eht: I voted for Obama for three reasons

1) close Gitmo
2)end Iraq and Afghanistan
3)improved infrastucture

1- Broken
2- Iraq ended late/Afghanistan still ongoing
3- Stimulus money went here but our infrastructure is farked and there is no indication it is a priority to Obama.

What to do?


Both sides are bad, so vote for the people who blocked Obama's order to close Gitmo, STARTED Iraq and Afghanistan and insisted that the stimulus be watered down and stuffed full of tax cuts?
 
2012-09-01 09:31:40 PM

make me some tea: GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.

I don't think he needs to promise us much of anything beyond continuing to work on the things he promised us originally, because there's a lot of unfinished business. At least that's where I stand with him.


He should be promising obamacare part deux even though part one is a work in progress.

I guess.

Gat, what do you want him to promise?
 
2012-09-01 09:33:48 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: What the infographic doesn't say is that all of the "Promises Kept" are about Kenyanizing the economy with the socialisms.


Yep, 'tis better to Mormonize them.
 
2012-09-01 09:34:34 PM

make me some tea: GAT_00: It won't be so complicated for his second term. He isn't making any promises this time. Anyone else notice this? Romney's running an issue free campaign obviously, but the President isn't doing much better.

I don't think he needs to promise us much of anything beyond continuing to work on the things he promised us originally, because there's a lot of unfinished business. At least that's where I stand with him.


That argument doesn't convince me, because I don't think he's done much of anything. They really ought to be wary of that, because I know I'm not the only one. I really do wonder how many other people on the left won't be able to stomach voting Republican-lite, like I can't.
 
2012-09-01 09:35:06 PM

llort dam eht: I voted for Obama for three reasons

1) close Gitmo
2)end Iraq and Afghanistan
3)improved infrastucture

1- Broken
2- Iraq ended late/Afghanistan still ongoing
3- Stimulus money went here but our infrastructure is farked and there is no indication it is a priority to Obama.

What to do?


1- tried, farked over by Congress. Could he go the Executive Order route? Maybe, but that would be opening a whole other supertanker of worms.
2- Iraq ended on time (as helpfully pointed out by a conservatroll). Obama campaigned specifically on Afghanistan escalation
3- If your state received money and nothing happened, that's an issue with your state
 
2012-09-01 09:36:19 PM

llort dam eht: I voted for Obama for three reasons

1) close Gitmo
2)end Iraq and Afghanistan
3)improved infrastucture

1- Broken
2- Iraq ended late/Afghanistan still ongoing
3- Stimulus money went here but our infrastructure is farked and there is no indication it is a priority to Obama.

What to do?


1. U.S. Secretary of Defense Gates said during a testimony before the US Senate Armed Services Committee on February 17, 2011: "The prospects for closing Guantanamo as best I can tell are very, very low given very broad opposition to doing that here in the Congress."

Obama probably shouldn't have made the promise, though.

2. We withdrew from Iraq two weeks ahead of schedule/there is a date for withdrawal from Afghanistan.

3. That sounds like a problem caused by your local officials
 
2012-09-01 09:36:58 PM
The Bestest:

Damn you!!
 
2012-09-01 09:37:13 PM

Mugato: namatad: in the end, I have been a single issue voter. keeping abortion legal.

Why? How many pro-life Presidents have we had in the last 30 years? 3? Is abortion illegal?


That way of thinking has its advantages.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-01 09:37:30 PM
Total fail on workers and transparency.

what a surprise. oh no it isn't - we have 8.3% unemployment not including all those people who gave up on 0bama's Economic disaster.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:44 PM
If it's a legitimate promise, Obama has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:45 PM

namatad: in the end, I have been a single issue voter. keeping abortion legal.
toss in equal rights and I have no choice but to vote for O


I hate you for your simplicity.

/but laud you for your conclusion.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:53 PM
That graphic really does make him look good. Hope it gets plastered all over.
 
2012-09-01 09:41:30 PM
It's pretty ridiculous that we expect presidents to outline and run on policy specifics.

With the exception of a few things the executive branch can accomplish unilaterally, the ability of minority parties in Congress to shut down government operation renders that exercise useless.
 
2012-09-01 09:43:07 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Total fail on workers and transparency.

what a surprise. oh no it isn't - we have 8.3% unemployment not including all those people who gave up on 0bama's Economic disaster.


Clearly, he has failed. Let's let Romney try those trusty old Republican plans like good ol' dubya

reflectionsofarationalrepublican.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-01 09:45:30 PM
FTFA: In addition to domestic policy, Congress kept the brakes on some of Obama's foreign policy initiatives. Most notably, Guantanamo Bay -- the detention center for terrorism suspects that Obama wanted closed -- stayed open. We rated Obama's pledge to close it Promise Broken.

Hey guys, I'm pretty sure that Omaba tried to do that exact thing, but was unable due to a veto-proof congress. He's not king, ya know. Why isn't there a category for "Promise Cock-Blocked"?
 
2012-09-01 09:47:30 PM

LordJiro: llort dam eht: I voted for Obama for three reasons

1) close Gitmo
2)end Iraq and Afghanistan
3)improved infrastucture

1- Broken
2- Iraq ended late/Afghanistan still ongoing
3- Stimulus money went here but our infrastructure is farked and there is no indication it is a priority to Obama.

What to do?

Both sides are bad, so vote for the people who blocked Obama's order to close Gitmo, STARTED Iraq and Afghanistan and insisted that the stimulus be watered down and stuffed full of tax cuts?


Did you see last night's Daily Show yet? Act one is freaking hilarious.
 
2012-09-01 09:47:33 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: LOL. As I understand it Obama's promise was essentially to bring an attitude of bipartisanship and compromise to the discussion HIMSELF, not to exercise total mind-control over the OTHER party such that they could not be spitefully destructive children obstructing reasonable action at every turn.


I think he tried too hard to meet that promise. It made him too cooperative and a doormat for republican obstruction. But I think he's learning his lesson.
 
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