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2012-09-01 12:18:37 PM
Wait, so why are these people still considering Romney as a viable alternative?
 
2012-09-01 12:21:48 PM

Bontesla: Wait, so why are these people still considering Romney as a viable alternative?


It doesn't look like any of them are actually leaning towards him.
 
2012-09-01 12:43:18 PM
I guarantee Annabel Foery is going to vote for rmoney- "the most important value in America, his faith". Yeah, because he (and the rest of the GOP) doesn't wear that on their shirtsleeve for that very reason... farking moron.
 
2012-09-01 12:56:20 PM

Bontesla: Wait, so why are these people still considering Romney as a viable alternative?


No, not really. One of the biggest dirty "secrets" of election campaigns, is that there are very few people who are truly undecided, compared to the number of people who like to describe themselves as "undecided", "independent", or whatever, presumably because it allows them to feel smug compared to all those mindless partisans out there.

And when I say "secret", what I mean is that every reputable polling organization knows that if you ask the "undecided" whether they are leaning one way or the other, nearly all of them will actually vote the way they say they are leaning. The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.
 
2012-09-01 01:06:31 PM
 
2012-09-01 01:07:22 PM
I appreciated some of his statements, particularly the statements about his -- about his position towards family values, towards the most important value in America, his faith.

SIGH.
 
2012-09-01 01:13:00 PM
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2012-09-01 01:15:54 PM
I like the college student whose mother is a teacher who was swayed by Romney's stance on the importance of education. As long as you don't need Pell Grants or lower rate studen loans or expect mom to be able to get a decent salary, then yeah, Mitt's your guy!
 
2012-09-01 01:21:41 PM

Mugato: I appreciated some of his statements, particularly the statements about his -- about his position towards family values, towards the most important value in America, his faith.

SIGH.


LOL. Romney's faith is the most important value in America.

Yet another reason why we cannot have nice things.
 
2012-09-01 01:25:21 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: It doesn't look like any of them are actually leaning towards him.


Annabel Foery came closest, and she's actually republican -- interested in faith, emphasizing the role of individual merit in success and de-emphasizing luck. She sounds like she's actively looking for something to justify her lean.

Ben Harris, the first time voter who favored McCain over Obama is the worst sign. Though he might be considered GOP-leaning, he's clearly putting the bulk of the blame for DC's dysfunction on the GOP -- and specifically Paul Ryan. Looks like a Windows Shopper Republican, and looking like the GOP is well on their way to losing his vote... possibly for a lifetime.

czetie: The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.


However, the margin of error tends to be around the margin between the candidates, in a number of states that together have enough electoral college votes larger than the likely margin for the presidential election.
 
2012-09-01 01:31:49 PM

abb3w: The My Little Pony Killer: It doesn't look like any of them are actually leaning towards him.

Annabel Foery came closest, and she's actually republican -- interested in faith, emphasizing the role of individual merit in success and de-emphasizing luck. She sounds like she's actively looking for something to justify her lean.

Ben Harris, the first time voter who favored McCain over Obama is the worst sign. Though he might be considered GOP-leaning, he's clearly putting the bulk of the blame for DC's dysfunction on the GOP -- and specifically Paul Ryan. Looks like a Windows Shopper Republican, and looking like the GOP is well on their way to losing his vote... possibly for a lifetime.

czetie: The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.

However, the margin of error tends to be around the margin between the candidates, in a number of states that together have enough electoral college votes larger than the likely margin for the presidential election.


And statistically - those that identify themselves as "swing voters" tend to vote against the incumbent in normal election years. Since, this isn't a normal election year - I would hope the trend would sway against Romney and toward Obama.
 
2012-09-01 01:31:51 PM
Anyone who is undecided at this point is either:

A. A farking moran.
B. A farking moran.
C. Full of shiat.
D. All of the above.

/Both sides are bad.
 
2012-09-01 01:37:56 PM
I didn't find enough meat on it...

...there just was really nothing behind his ideas,...

When he talks about, you know, repeal Obamacare, and replace it with something, and he just -- he brushed on it, well, what do you mean? What are you going to replace it with?

...education, he mentioned it for about a sentence.

listening to some of the other speeches that were given even his vice president I thought were just much stronger

I would like to see, honestly, a little more honesty.


Okay those were all good but I think my favorite is still...

MARTHA PASCHAL: I thought it did a very good job of personalizing him. I thought he came across as a little more human.

He -- you know, the poor guy, he's....

MAN: He's really not a robot.

(LAUGHTER)


Mitt Romney, that's the joke.
 
2012-09-01 01:43:23 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Anyone who is undecided at this point is either:

A. A farking moran.
B. A farking moran.
C. Full of shiat.
D. All of the above.

/Both sides are bad.


This. There is no line between "undecided" and "totally ignorant" as far as this election is concerned. Even the hard right wing voters that are not part of the 1% do not reach that level of stupid and that's saying something.
 
2012-09-01 01:44:10 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Anyone who is undecided at this point is either:

A. A farking moran.
B. A farking moran.
C. Full of shiat.
D. All of the above.

/Both sides are bad.


I prefer to think of undecided voters as conservatives who's brainwashing has almost worn off.

Also, what makes Romney's faith better than Obama's? Forget the whole mormon thing for a second. Christian to Christian, Obama is a regular churchgoer. Is Romney out there clothing the naked and feeding the hungry? WTF?

An extreme right conservative's faith is automagically better than a moderate's faith?
 
2012-09-01 01:44:14 PM
"the fact that he has had the experience working with money -- and a lot of money -- is a good thing, because, let's face it, our government takes a lot of money to run."

This is the undecided voter. You know, a moron.
 
2012-09-01 01:49:28 PM

czetie: And when I say "secret", what I mean is that every reputable polling organization knows that if you ask the "undecided" whether they are leaning one way or the other, nearly all of them will actually vote the way they say they are leaning. The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.


The actual undecideds must be a weird demographic. "What am I in the mood for today? I think tax cuts would be good for the economy. I'll vote Republican." Four years later: "Hmm, I had some tax cuts, and they were okay. Got to take the boat out a couple more times. But now I want clean air and drinking water, so I'll vote Democratic." They must have no principles or guiding philosophies whatsoever, even moreso today when the choice is between dismantling the social safety net and turning the Washington monument into an oil derrick, and helping to ensure that all Americans have access to affordable health care.
 
2012-09-01 01:49:45 PM
And Tom Wilson, an independent and Obama voter in '08 who is very concerned about the future of the economy for his family.

Tom Wilson? And they didn't ask him what Michael J. Fox is like?
 
2012-09-01 01:51:20 PM

shastacola: "the fact that he has had the experience working with money -- and a lot of money -- is a good thing, because, let's face it, our government takes a lot of money to run."

This is the undecided voter. You know, a moron.


Exactly! Because having tons of money makes you smart with money!

Like all those people who win the lotto and then squander it away. :D

These people in the video seem like geniuses.
 
2012-09-01 01:54:40 PM
There is a way that Mitt Romney could make me consider voting for him. He could publish years of his tax returns. And not just the short versions, but all the nuts and bolts too. He could stand up on national TV and admit that the tax code is complex largely so that he could find ways to shelter his money from taxes that aren't available to lower- and middle-class Americans. He could admit that not only does this make our businesses less free as they chase government-approved loopholes, but this is incredibly unfair as well. In short, he could make part of his life about how he made himself rich at our expense and promise to fight for ways that make us all richer.

Now, is that likely to happen? Monkeys will sooner fly out of my ass. But there is a way he could make me want to vote for him.
 
2012-09-01 01:55:15 PM
This is purely a devil you know vs. the devil you don't situation.
 
2012-09-01 01:57:24 PM
Fine, I'll own up:

I'm an undecided voter, but it's between voting Obama or 3rd party.

Of course, if I actually thought Romney had a chance in my ever-bluer former swing state, I find his campaign offensive enough I'd consider chucking my principles just to vote *against* him. Using that "gas prices have doubled" line in his convention speech was like him directly saying, "I think you're too stupid to understand why I'm wrong."
 
2012-09-01 01:57:32 PM
I can understand undecided when it comes to republican/libertarian or democratic/green party, but how can someone be undecided between Obama and Romney?
 
2012-09-01 01:57:55 PM

starzman2003: shastacola: "the fact that he has had the experience working with money -- and a lot of money -- is a good thing, because, let's face it, our government takes a lot of money to run."

This is the undecided voter. You know, a moron.

Exactly! Because having tons of money makes you smart with money!

Like all those people who win the lotto and then squander it away. :D

These people in the video seem like geniuses.


Bernie Madoff for President!
 
2012-09-01 01:59:01 PM

erveek: And Tom Wilson, an independent and Obama voter in '08 who is very concerned about the future of the economy for his family.

Tom Wilson? And they didn't ask him what Michael J. Fox is like?


I don't always vote comments "funny," but when I do, there is soda all over my keyboard.
 
2012-09-01 01:59:32 PM
Low information voters.
 
2012-09-01 02:00:38 PM

czetie: Bontesla: Wait, so why are these people still considering Romney as a viable alternative?

No, not really. One of the biggest dirty "secrets" of election campaigns, is that there are very few people who are truly undecided, compared to the number of people who like to describe themselves as "undecided", "independent", or whatever, presumably because it allows them to feel smug compared to all those mindless partisans out there.

And when I say "secret", what I mean is that every reputable polling organization knows that if you ask the "undecided" whether they are leaning one way or the other, nearly all of them will actually vote the way they say they are leaning. The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.


Some people do get affected by the campaigning. Over the course of this year, I've gotten my mother to change her mind from "We need the republicans to save us from the Kenyan-born socialist" to "both sides are bad. I'll probably just vote third party". It may not be one more vote for Obama, but it's definitely one less for Romney.

And that change had nothing to do with Obama campaigning and winning her over. It was simply due to the GOP repeatedly lying and shooting themselves in the foot by catering so far to the right. Mitt's inability to answer a straightforward question doesn't help, either.
 
2012-09-01 02:02:38 PM

alowishus: I can understand undecided when it comes to republican/libertarian or democratic/green party, but how can someone be undecided between Obama and Romney?


Probably confused since their records imply that the R and D after their names should be switched.
 
2012-09-01 02:03:41 PM

Kumana Wanalaia:
Also, what makes Romney's faith better than Obama's? Forget the whole mormon thing for a second. Christian to Christian

SEEKRIT MUSLIN!11!

That's what.
 
2012-09-01 02:06:12 PM

shastacola: "the fact that he has had the experience working with money -- and a lot of money -- is a good thing, because, let's face it, our government takes a lot of money to run."

This is the undecided voter. You know, a moron.


How can people be so dumb and not have to walk around wearing a helmet?

I...I give up on life, these people will exist forever and there is nothing we can do about it.
 
2012-09-01 02:06:28 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: Also, what makes Romney's faith better than Obama's?


You didn't get the memo. According to the GOP:

"Christian" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Faith" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Values" means conservative evangelical Christian
"American" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Patriot" means conservative evangelical Christian

The mainstream media enforces these definitions, to avoid the hysterical shrieking from conservatives whenever anyone dares stray from the script.
 
2012-09-01 02:07:28 PM
Undecided voters are people who have massive foul smelling bloody diarrhea and say "gee, I wonder if the color of my shirt had anything to do with that?'
 
2012-09-01 02:09:18 PM

alowishus: I can understand undecided when it comes to republican/libertarian or democratic/green party, but how can someone be undecided between Obama and Romney?


I would think undecides would like Mitt since he's, you know, undecided on many issues
 
2012-09-01 02:13:40 PM
These folks are all either going to go with Obama or stay at home. Their basic reaction (and even the reaction to a lot of diehard conservatives I know) is that we don't like Obama, but Romney is close to an embarrassment. Running a platform of "I'm not that guy" just doesn't win the hearts and minds of people. These undecideds all noticed that Romney has NO policies other than vague promises and "hey, I'm not black!"
 
2012-09-01 02:13:45 PM
And, in particular, does he have the personality to kind of lead a divided Congress?

Wow, now you want to set your sights on a leader that can "kind of" lead? I get that you're undecided and all, but if that isn't the weakest qualification that anyone has ever thrown out, please let me know.

"Kind of lead".... That's the sign of just how detached the younger voters are.
 
2012-09-01 02:22:04 PM

jaytkay: Kumana Wanalaia: Also, what makes Romney's faith better than Obama's?

You didn't get the memo. According to the GOP:

"Christian" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Faith" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Values" means conservative evangelical Christian
"American" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Patriot" means conservative evangelical Christian

The mainstream media enforces these definitions, to avoid the hysterical shrieking from conservatives whenever anyone dares stray from the script.


Romney, Ryan, Obama, Biden: name the one Protestant in the race.
 
2012-09-01 02:23:28 PM
Attention whore? Just tell some pollsters that you're "undecided" and bask in it!
 
2012-09-01 02:24:54 PM

propasaurus: I like the college student whose mother is a teacher who was swayed by Romney's stance on the importance of education. As long as you don't need Pell Grants or lower rate studen loans or expect mom to be able to get a decent salary, then yeah, Mitt's your guy!


I feel like there's something deeply wrong with people who are republican at a young age. They must have grown up in some kind of insulated fantasy land where absolutely nothing goes wrong or something. Speaking with them is almost always like speaking to some kind of sociopath who is completely unconcerned with and unmoved by the struggles of others.
 
2012-09-01 02:30:03 PM

czetie: No, not really. One of the biggest dirty "secrets" of election campaigns, is that there are very few people who are truly undecided


Truth.

Both sides are so entrenched that there's very little (maybe less than half of one percent) truly open people who's minds change. Romney could come out and eat a live baby in front of cameras and conservatives will still vote Republican. Obama could strangle a little of puppies to death and liberals will still vote Republican.

Elections aren't about trying to sway the other side to vote for your guy. They are about getting your side excited about actually voting for your guy. That's the gameplan: Who actually votes. When states swing back and forth every election, that's not people changing their minds, that's them staying home and not voting at all. When Democrats/Republicans don't like their guy, they don't go and vote for the other one, they just don't vote at all.

This is why the Republicans don't like Romney and he was a "last resort" after the primaries: They don't feel he excites the base enough. Obama was riding a wave of popularity in '08 and people voted in droves for him. The big question is whether they will do it again (because it didn't look like they came out in 2010).
 
2012-09-01 02:30:45 PM

Mikey1969: Wow, now you want to set your sights on a leader that can "kind of" lead? I get that you're undecided and all, but if that isn't the weakest qualification that anyone has ever thrown out, please let me know.

"Kind of lead".... That's the sign of just how detached the younger voters are.


It's simply lost on everyone in that focus group except the business duder that the congressional Republicans are not cooperating with Obama on purpose.

Apparently for these undecided uninformed 'swing' voters, the GOP strategy of 'blame it on the black guy' has won. Or they watch Fox News.
 
2012-09-01 02:35:06 PM

jaytkay: Kumana Wanalaia: Also, what makes Romney's faith better than Obama's?

You didn't get the memo. According to the GOP:

"Christian" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Faith" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Values" means conservative evangelical Christian
"American" means conservative evangelical Christian
"Patriot" means conservative evangelical Christian

The mainstream media enforces these definitions, to avoid the hysterical shrieking from conservatives whenever anyone dares stray from the script.


Funny....Obama IS a conservative evangelical Christian. Romney is Mormon, held by conservative eventual Christians to be a horrible, corrupt, deceitful cult.
 
2012-09-01 02:39:32 PM
This sounds like bad news... for Romney.
 
2012-09-01 02:48:53 PM

abb3w: czetie: The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.

However, the margin of error tends to be around the margin between the candidates, in a number of states that together have enough electoral college votes larger than the likely margin for the presidential election.


So to summarize, "nobody knows anything".
 
2012-09-01 02:49:32 PM
Are these "Undecided" voters or "Willfully stupid" voters?
 
2012-09-01 02:50:16 PM

czetie: abb3w: czetie: The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.

However, the margin of error tends to be around the margin between the candidates, in a number of states that together have enough electoral college votes larger than the likely margin for the presidential election.

So to summarize, "nobody knows anything".


Well, Socrates knew more than everyone because he knew he knew nothing.
 
2012-09-01 03:01:54 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Funny....Obama IS a conservative evangelical Christian. Romney is Mormon, held by conservative eventual Christians to be a horrible, corrupt, deceitful cult.


yeah they don't believe in the immaculate conception. and they think God lives on the planet Kolob.
 
2012-09-01 03:03:54 PM

neilbradley: This is purely a devil you know vs. the devil you don't situation.


I will stick with the devil we know (I assume you mean Obama in this case) vs the devil we don;t (Romney who wants us to trust him but won't give us a single reason to do so).
 
2012-09-01 03:07:30 PM

NeoCortex42: czetie: Bontesla: Wait, so why are these people still considering Romney as a viable alternative?

No, not really. One of the biggest dirty "secrets" of election campaigns, is that there are very few people who are truly undecided, compared to the number of people who like to describe themselves as "undecided", "independent", or whatever, presumably because it allows them to feel smug compared to all those mindless partisans out there.

And when I say "secret", what I mean is that every reputable polling organization knows that if you ask the "undecided" whether they are leaning one way or the other, nearly all of them will actually vote the way they say they are leaning. The real number of undecideds, the number of people who can actually be swayed by all that campaigning and advertising (short of a live boy/dead girl scale of October Surprise) IMO is somewhere around the margin of error of polling.

Some people do get affected by the campaigning. Over the course of this year, I've gotten my mother to change her mind from "We need the republicans to save us from the Kenyan-born socialist" to "both sides are bad. I'll probably just vote third party". It may not be one more vote for Obama, but it's definitely one less for Romney.

And that change had nothing to do with Obama campaigning and winning her over. It was simply due to the GOP repeatedly lying and shooting themselves in the foot by catering so far to the right. Mitt's inability to answer a straightforward question doesn't help, either.


I need to try that with my Mom. She is the only waffler in the family.

/Stepdad and I will vote Obama
//both brothers, father and stepmother will vote Romney (sad, I know)
///Mom is the wild card who hated Bush but bought the Kerry fear-mongering and voted for Bush anyway - too dumb to know what is right
 
2012-09-01 03:14:12 PM

Ishkur: czetie: No, not really. One of the biggest dirty "secrets" of election campaigns, is that there are very few people who are truly undecided

Truth.

Both sides are so entrenched that there's very little (maybe less than half of one percent) truly open people who's minds change. Romney could come out and eat a live baby in front of cameras and conservatives will still vote Republican. Obama could strangle a little of puppies to death and liberals will still vote Republican.

Elections aren't about trying to sway the other side to vote for your guy. They are about getting your side excited about actually voting for your guy. That's the gameplan: Who actually votes. When states swing back and forth every election, that's not people changing their minds, that's them staying home and not voting at all. When Democrats/Republicans don't like their guy, they don't go and vote for the other one, they just don't vote at all.

This is why the Republicans don't like Romney and he was a "last resort" after the primaries: They don't feel he excites the base enough. Obama was riding a wave of popularity in '08 and people voted in droves for him. The big question is whether they will do it again (because it didn't look like they came out in 2010).


Uh? So vote Republican?
 
2012-09-01 03:15:32 PM

Hobodeluxe: NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: Funny....Obama IS a conservative evangelical Christian. Romney is Mormon, held by conservative eventual Christians to be a horrible, corrupt, deceitful cult.

yeah they don't believe in the immaculate conception. and they think God lives on the planet Kolob.


I'm quite serious. Go to, say, a southern baptist church. Sit throughout class on evangelizing cults. Mormonism is front and center, and is loudly proclaimed as EVIL.
 
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