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(Sportsnet)   Former Expos badass outfielder Warren Cromartie is lining up investors to bring the MLB back to Montreal   (sportsnet.ca) divider line 55
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2012-09-01 10:50:18 AM  
A few years ago (somewhere between 2000 and 2002), I wanted to see an Expos game, because I knew they'd be moving soon. I live in NYC, so it wouldn't be a bad car trip for an overnight. Because of the unpredictable nature of the workload of my job at the time, I couldn't get tickets until two days before the game. I bought two (one for my wife), for a game two days later. Each ticket was $24. It was for seats in the section right behind home plate, field level. I don't remember the exact attendance, but I believe it was between 4,000 and 8,000.

/csb

My point is, if they're even thinking about this, they'll need to convince MLB 1) they can actually fill the seats, and 2) it's worth another team moving, or expansion. It'll be a tough sell.
 
2012-09-01 01:15:22 PM  
Cromartie seems like a cool guy. They should name a high school after him or something.
 
2012-09-01 04:02:45 PM  

King Something: Cromartie seems like a cool guy. They should name a high school after him or something.


Goddamn you so much. Fark it, I'm posting it anyway.

www.2112.net
 
2012-09-01 04:15:16 PM  
Year round diving competitions!
 
2012-09-01 04:29:10 PM  

King Something: Cromartie seems like a cool guy. They should name a high school after him or something.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwcmaQx7rI
 
2012-09-01 04:29:48 PM  
Montreal Rays?
 
2012-09-01 04:33:15 PM  
Baseball in Canada died after the 1994 strike. It's a real shame because they had the best team in MLB back then, but between the lousy owner and the worst stadium ever built, they never had a chance.

At least the Blue Jays will catch the Red Sox pretty soon and finish in fourth place this season.
 
2012-09-01 04:37:17 PM  

DiRF: King Something: Cromartie seems like a cool guy. They should name a high school after him or something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAwcmaQx7rI


Given the above picture's use in the album notes, was actually expecting this

\and yes, I have heard a band attempt to play that song in 4/4 time before
\\"painful" is an understatement
 
2012-09-01 04:38:46 PM  

The Bestest: Montreal Rays?


Yeah why not? Both cities have awful stadiums and fans that don't go to games. It'll make it that much easier for the team to adjust to its new home.
 
2012-09-01 04:41:41 PM  
MLB needs a couple of new teams to balance out the leagues at 16 apiece so they can get rid of the nonsense daily inter-league game they will be stuck with next year. Unlike the NHL or NBA, MLB could add a couple of teams without diluting the talent pool significantly. Counting the minors, there's already so many damn marginal baseball players so adding a bunch more wouldn't be a big deal.

a return to MTL makes sense, since the team was never really given a chance to succeed with a downtown stadium. It would also create a natural rivalry for the Jays. Plus, if they put them back in the NL east then we could see the ex-Expos and the new-Expos fight it out for the division.
 
2012-09-01 04:50:08 PM  
I would absolutely love to see this happen. It's a damn shame what happened to les 'Spos after 1994, with the kind of year they were having. It was a long, painful goodbye. Sure, their attendance was shiat, but so are a lot of other teams' attendance, on a consistent basis. And then there's that farkhead Loria...

Git 'er done, Antonio Cromartie.
 
2012-09-01 04:56:08 PM  

december: MLB needs a couple of new teams to balance out the leagues at 16 apiece so they can get rid of the nonsense daily inter-league game they will be stuck with next year. Unlike the NHL or NBA, MLB could add a couple of teams without diluting the talent pool significantly. Counting the minors, there's already so many damn marginal baseball players so adding a bunch more wouldn't be a big deal.

a return to MTL makes sense, since the team was never really given a chance to succeed with a downtown stadium. It would also create a natural rivalry for the Jays. Plus, if they put them back in the NL east then we could see the ex-Expos and the new-Expos fight it out for the division.


Interleague is good for the sport. Embrace it.
 
2012-09-01 04:59:18 PM  

Rex_Banner: Yeah why not? Both cities have awful stadiums and fans that don't go to games. It'll make it that much easier for the team to adjust to its new home.


In all seriousness, I would vote "having the best team in baseball defeated by a strike-shortened season" and shortly thereafter having many of their best players move on to other teams is a better excuse for a disenfranchised fan base than a bridge over a body of water.

Plus, as bad as Tropicana Field is, it is the Taj Mahal in comparison to Olympic Stadium. I don't know how a place where pieces of the roof would routinely fall into the field of play during games even passed whatever sort of safety standards/building codes the MLB has in place (if any).
 
2012-09-01 05:10:50 PM  
Why?
The city is gets more Quebec by the year, thus the English are dwindling there
also the economy is strong, but not that much to support a MLB club.
arren is fun-loving guy which a great personality, but this is a tough quest.
 
2012-09-01 05:20:43 PM  

Killer Cars: Rex_Banner: Yeah why not? Both cities have awful stadiums and fans that don't go to games. It'll make it that much easier for the team to adjust to its new home.

In all seriousness, I would vote "having the best team in baseball defeated by a strike-shortened season" and shortly thereafter having many of their best players move on to other teams is a better excuse for a disenfranchised fan base than a bridge over a body of water.

Plus, as bad as Tropicana Field is, it is the Taj Mahal in comparison to Olympic Stadium. I don't know how a place where pieces of the roof would routinely fall into the field of play during games even passed whatever sort of safety standards/building codes the MLB has in place (if any).


If the choices are: cat walks that might interfere with balls in play vs shiat falling on my head, then I'm choosing........... fark it, I'm choosing to sit right behind one of those steel poles at Fenway.
 
2012-09-01 05:28:39 PM  
They have the Nats back once Harper and Strasburg sign with other teams.
 
2012-09-01 05:35:59 PM  
Cromartie spent most of his career in Japan. This is also a supremely stupid idea.
 
2012-09-01 05:43:25 PM  
 
2012-09-01 05:44:54 PM  
Unless their is a cultural change in Montreal baseball will not work there. Baseball can survive in Toronto because it is a more Americanized city, Montreal isn't.
 
2012-09-01 05:44:58 PM  
Would Montreal support an MLB team this time around? I remember back when I was in high school, and we would quietly listen to the Expos games at band practice, because they were in the middle of a pennant run. They were such a great team back in those days, but played in such a HORRID stadium. I've been to the big O for baseball and as much as the dome in Toronto sucks, that stadium is 10 times worse.

They would need a real stadium, and they would need a team that could compete, early and often. Montreal fans tend to be pretty fickle and will turn on a team that doesn't produce.

Sometimes I think that MLB called the lockout to prevent the Jays from winning a 3rd World Series in a row. At that time, they not only killed the expos, but put the Jays waaaayyyy down as well.
 
2012-09-01 05:47:43 PM  
In some languages apparently "Fail" is spelled "C-O-O-L"
 
2012-09-01 05:57:39 PM  

InfrasonicTom: They have the Nats back once Harper and Strasburg sign with other teams.


The Nats have money. I doubt that keeping either of those two would be a problem for them.
 
2012-09-01 06:05:16 PM  
Well, for Montreal to get a baseball team back, one thing for sure is that name of the team needs to be better associated with the city. Hey, why not buy the Royals and move them? Also, the stadium needs to be more fan friendly than the Big Owe. They keep pointing to downtown, but why not try to build one someplace along the St. Lawrence River?
 
2012-09-01 06:06:07 PM  

FreakinB: InfrasonicTom: They have the Nats back once Harper and Strasburg sign with other teams.

The Nats have money. I doubt that keeping either of those two would be a problem for them.


Nats aren't going anywhere. Franchises most ripe for relocation, in this order:

1. Rays
2. As
end of list

MLB will do everything it can to keep the As in the Bay Area, or the very least on the west coast if there was ever a serious threat of them skipping town (watch how quickly MLB will start leaning on the Giants to stop being dicks if a serious offer came from another city).

That pretty much leaves the Rays, with the two main anchors being a nigh-inescapable lease to the Trop and an ownership "committed to the Tampa Bay area". We all know how easily the latter can change.
 
2012-09-01 06:13:25 PM  

Evil Canadian: Sometimes I think that MLB called the lockout to prevent the Jays from winning a 3rd World Series in a row. At that time, they not only killed the expos, but put the Jays waaaayyyy down as well.


No no no - the strike was called so that the AL West wouldn't be embarrassed by having a sub-.500 division winner. The Rangers led that division at the time with a record of 52-62. ESPN still holds a grudge against the AL West for sucking that year and costing them additional revenue from games that would have aired on their network. This is the real reason that they air so many Yankees-Sox games now - they are sticking it to the AL West in any way that they can.
 
2012-09-01 06:26:52 PM  

Rex_Banner: Evil Canadian: Sometimes I think that MLB called the lockout to prevent the Jays from winning a 3rd World Series in a row. At that time, they not only killed the expos, but put the Jays waaaayyyy down as well.

No no no - the strike was called so that the AL West wouldn't be embarrassed by having a sub-.500 division winner. The Rangers led that division at the time with a record of 52-62. ESPN still holds a grudge against the AL West for sucking that year and costing them additional revenue from games that would have aired on their network. This is the real reason that they air so many Yankees-Sox games now - they are sticking it to the AL West in any way that they can.


Also, the Yanks were in 1st in the East, and playing strong baseball. I consider 1994 as the year the Yankees were a legitimately good team again.
 
2012-09-01 06:49:21 PM  
John jay with a sick catch against washington expos. Willie mays diving style.
 
2012-09-01 06:50:35 PM  
According to a Expos-themed Facebook page with more than 151,000 likes, at least 159 people will be seated in section 240 of the Rogers Centre for this Sunday's Toronto Blue Jays home game against the Tampa Bay Rays.

159 people? Wasn't that the typical attendance for Expos games?
 
2012-09-01 06:58:16 PM  
Yeah, I'm sure that'll work the second time around as well as basketball in Charlotte.
 
2012-09-01 07:31:22 PM  
MLB is NOT going to expand. It wasn't that long ago that they were talking about contraction.
Montreal wouldn't be a city they'd choose as an expansion city even if they did expand. Been there, done that: didn't work.
No team owner in his right mind would move to Montreal, which, in case you didn't know, is in CANADA and has already failed to support a team.
 
2012-09-01 07:36:21 PM  

red5ish: MLB is NOT going to expand. It wasn't that long ago that they were talking about contraction.
Montreal wouldn't be a city they'd choose as an expansion city even if they did expand. Been there, done that: didn't work.
No team owner in his right mind would move to Montreal, which, in case you didn't know, is in CANADA and has already failed to support a team.


is Canada really all that worse than Florida?
 
2012-09-01 07:41:08 PM  

The Bestest: Montreal Rays?


Montreal Rockies, more likely...
 
2012-09-01 07:59:09 PM  

eCurmudgeon: Montreal Rockies, more likely...


Why do you say that? Quebec's revenge for the Nordiques? Can't be attendance:

13. Colorado 69 2,278,220 33,017
29. Oakland 67 1,363,325 20,348
30. Tampa Bay 65 1,295,163 19,925

is their owner grumbling about selling the team and I missed it?
 
2012-09-01 08:34:05 PM  

The Bestest: eCurmudgeon: Montreal Rockies, more likely...

Why do you say that? Quebec's revenge for the Nordiques? Can't be attendance:

13. Colorado 69 2,278,220 33,017
29. Oakland 67 1,363,325 20,348
30. Tampa Bay 65 1,295,163 19,925

is their owner grumbling about selling the team and I missed it?


More like the fans grumbling about the Monfort Brothers being cheap with the payroll and subsequent mediocre seasons.

Of course, when Coors Field still gets an attendance of 30K on a given night, no matter how crappy the team is, there's no real incentive to improve things...
 
2012-09-01 08:50:11 PM  
The Canadian exchange rate was farking horrible for the last ten years of the Expos' existence and they're a whole lot better now. That's one more thing that'll make any new Canadian team competitive.

Even old Stade Olympique has more character that My Little Pony gimmicky shiathole in Miami.
 
2012-09-01 08:52:14 PM  
One other thing: if you never saw Ellis Valentine make a throw from right field you missed some pure awesome.
 
2012-09-01 08:55:15 PM  

red5ish: MLB is NOT going to expand. It wasn't that long ago that they were talking about contraction.
Montreal wouldn't be a city they'd choose as an expansion city even if they did expand. Been there, done that: didn't work.
No team owner in his right mind would move to Montreal, which, in case you didn't know, is in CANADA and has already failed to support a team.


Read up on the Expos history and everything that led to them leaving. Not as simple as failure to support.
 
2012-09-01 09:46:46 PM  

shinjitsuism: Well, for Montreal to get a baseball team back, one thing for sure is that name of the team needs to be better associated with the city. Hey, why not buy the Royals and move them? Also, the stadium needs to be more fan friendly than the Big Owe. They keep pointing to downtown, but why not try to build one someplace along the St. Lawrence River?


Kansas City is a more viable market than Montreal is. I bet if the Royals got even remotely competitive they'd draw fans there.
 
2012-09-01 09:50:11 PM  

Gulper Eel: One other thing: if you never saw Ellis Valentine make a throw from right field you missed some pure awesome.


I saw Ellis Valentine play with the Mets. He was pure suckage during those years.
 
2012-09-01 09:58:52 PM  

Gulper Eel: The Canadian exchange rate was farking horrible for the last ten years of the Expos' existence and they're a whole lot better now. That's one more thing that'll make any new Canadian team competitive.

Even old Stade Olympique has more character that My Little Pony gimmicky shiathole in Miami.


Wasn't that much of an issue. Contracts were written in US Dollars
 
2012-09-01 10:06:39 PM  

Evil Canadian: Would Montreal support an MLB team this time around? I remember back when I was in high school, and we would quietly listen to the Expos games at band practice, because they were in the middle of a pennant run. They were such a great team back in those days, but played in such a HORRID stadium. I've been to the big O for baseball and as much as the dome in Toronto sucks, that stadium is 10 times worse.

They would need a real stadium, and they would need a team that could compete, early and often. Montreal fans tend to be pretty fickle and will turn on a team that doesn't produce.

Sometimes I think that MLB called the lockout to prevent the Jays from winning a 3rd World Series in a row. At that time, they not only killed the expos, but put the Jays waaaayyyy down as well.


Still showed up for 3-4 games a year while living in Belleville. I don't think Montreal ever lost faith in the team, they lost faith in MLB. Lockouts and strikes at inopportune times can have that effect.
 
2012-09-01 10:24:39 PM  
The stadium was built for the Olympics, not for baseball. When Montreal got a CFL team back, they played all their games there and attendance was pure suckage. Then someone got the bright idea to have them play at a university stadium that, while way smaller, was better for football. The result was constant sellouts, and they sold out the big O whenever they had playoff games there.

The point is, with a decent place to play baseball, Montreal could absolutely support a baseball team, and I hope this goes through.
 
2012-09-01 10:34:11 PM  

InfrasonicTom: They have the Nats back once Harper and Strasburg sign with other teams.


Yeah. Losing their fourth-best outfielder and third-best starting pitcher will really cripple them.
 
2012-09-01 10:46:42 PM  

eCurmudgeon: The Bestest: eCurmudgeon: Montreal Rockies, more likely...

Why do you say that? Quebec's revenge for the Nordiques? Can't be attendance:

13. Colorado 69 2,278,220 33,017
29. Oakland 67 1,363,325 20,348
30. Tampa Bay 65 1,295,163 19,925

is their owner grumbling about selling the team and I missed it?

More like the fans grumbling about the Monfort Brothers being cheap with the payroll and subsequent mediocre seasons.

Of course, when Coors Field still gets an attendance of 30K on a given night, no matter how crappy the team is, there's no real incentive to improve things...


Coors is very accessible from the nice suburbs, the field is nice, and the people are cool.. Yea, owners suck, but whatever.
 
2012-09-01 11:03:49 PM  

Elvis Da King: Gulper Eel: The Canadian exchange rate was farking horrible for the last ten years of the Expos' existence and they're a whole lot better now. That's one more thing that'll make any new Canadian team competitive.

Even old Stade Olympique has more character that My Little Pony gimmicky shiathole in Miami.

Wasn't that much of an issue. Contracts were written in US Dollars


That was a HUGE issue. Their revenue was in Canadian and their biggest expenses were in American.
 
2012-09-02 08:09:52 AM  
Perhaps before he sinks tons of loonies into this venture, the could put an AAA minor league team in Montreal as a proof-of-concept.
 
2012-09-02 09:04:30 AM  
Last 2 summers I have been to Montreal, and there is real talk about getting another MLB team for the city.

MLB is stupid to keep 2 teams in the SF Bay area.....the A's are never going to make money in a two team market. And they have already moved two times since leaving Philly in '52. MLB will have a hard time denying Montreal getting an existing team...since some of the current franchises are not doing well, and, the MLB let the Expos run off to a city that already lost two MLB teams....the second one after only 10 seasons

I think the A's and Royals are the most likely to move...although it would be tempting to get the Rays and make an AL East rivalry w Toronto

The Canadian economy is so much better than the US economy now....it is time to tale advantage.
 
2012-09-02 09:30:13 AM  

blockhouse: Perhaps before he sinks tons of loonies into this venture, the could put an AAA minor league team in Montreal as a proof-of-concept.


I suggest the Astros.
 
2012-09-02 10:04:11 AM  

Gulper Eel: blockhouse: Perhaps before he sinks tons of loonies into this venture, the could put an AAA minor league team in Montreal as a proof-of-concept.

I suggest the Astros.


They got promoted?
 
2012-09-02 10:11:42 AM  

UCFRoadWarrior: Last 2 summers I have been to Montreal, and there is real talk about getting another MLB team for the city.

MLB is stupid to keep 2 teams in the SF Bay area.....the A's are never going to make money in a two team market. And they have already moved two times since leaving Philly in '52. MLB will have a hard time denying Montreal getting an existing team...since some of the current franchises are not doing well, and, the MLB let the Expos run off to a city that already lost two MLB teams....the second one after only 10 seasons

I think the A's and Royals are the most likely to move...although it would be tempting to get the Rays and make an AL East rivalry w Toronto

The Canadian economy is so much better than the US economy now....it is time to tale advantage.


Unless Glass was willing to sell his little cash cow, the Royals aren't going anywhere.

The Bay Area can easily support two franchises; the problem is the specific location. Raiders fans barely like going to O.co. I can see the As succeeding in San Jose no problem, and MLB -really- doesn't want to lose another west coast team.

If any team were to move to Montreal, it'd be the Rays.
 
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