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(Runner's World)   You know things aren't going well for the Romney-Ryan ticket when even Runner's World magazine is debunking claims of marathon times   (news.runnersworld.com) divider line 107
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2012-09-01 12:59:42 PM
On the upside, he admitted this when called on the facts.
On the downside, his brother called him on the facts before he admitted the error in public.

So, not utterly delusional, but it may only be family or other intimate in-group members that can get through the filters of his reality tunnel.
 
2012-09-01 01:20:05 PM
Stop lying, Ryan.

Seriously, if your nose gets any bigger the GOP will no longer be able to pimp you as a matinee idol in order to deflect from your radical and regressive views on women's rights.

We can't have *that*!

*blink*
 
2012-09-01 02:07:32 PM
As an Eisenhower Republican, I remember when the party could nominate real men of accomplishment.
 
2012-09-01 02:32:06 PM
Omg if he cant tell the truth about running a marathon, how will he ever tell the truth about running the country!
 
2012-09-01 02:35:15 PM
Damn the LSMSDBPGRM
 
2012-09-01 02:35:47 PM
Grandma's Marathon? Maybe he was chasing them down with vouchers.
 
2012-09-01 02:36:33 PM

abb3w: On the upside, he admitted this when called on the facts.
On the downside, his brother called him on the facts before he admitted the error in public.

So, not utterly delusional, but it may only be family or other intimate in-group members that can get through the filters of his reality tunnel.


But then he changed that and said it was ANOTHER race that he wasn't even listed on participating on.


This guy just lies and lies about everything.
 
2012-09-01 02:37:00 PM

quatchi: Stop lying, Ryan.

Seriously, if your nose gets any bigger the GOP will no longer be able to pimp you as a matinee idol in order to deflect from your radical and regressive views on women's rights.

We can't have *that*!

*blink*


In a way, a lie like that bothers me more than a "big" lie does. "Big" lies are done for a reason: it's understandable why you'd say something like "No, I didn't bang your sister" or "I have no idea how the car's front end got smashed in." And someone who is truthful otherwise might lie in a situation like that.

But why lie about something like this, unless you just can't tell the truth about anything?
 
2012-09-01 02:38:15 PM
I demand to see all of his marathon records.
 
2012-09-01 02:39:23 PM
Understanding Pathological Liars

Why they lie

Some psychologists theorize that a chronic liar is trying to deceive herself as much as she is trying to deceive others. Because of poor self-esteem, she wants to believe her lies, and often does believe them, at least while she's telling them.

Some of the hallmarks of pathological liars include telling outrageously dramatic stories, telling fibs that are easily disputed, changing stories when challenged and, most importantly, lying even when there's no apparent benefit in telling the lie. Compulsive liars lie for many reasons, including no reason at all, but most often they lie to:

- feel admired
- gain popularity
- control and manipulate

- compensate for feelings of inadequacy and low self-esteem
- cover up failures

Although not officially designated as a mental disorder, pathological lying is often seen as the tip of the iceberg for deeper psychological problems including narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Narcissists, for example, constantly fear being revealed as frauds and, thus, weave ever-increasing lies to bolster their fragile self-esteem. People with antisocial personality disorder do not experience guilt and, therefore, lying becomes an easy option.
 
2012-09-01 02:41:13 PM
I think the bigger story here is that he would lose a marathon to farking Sarah Palin.
 
2012-09-01 02:48:16 PM

Hollie Maea: I think the bigger story here is that he would lose a marathon to farking Sarah Palin.


Well he can't exactly be running if he's lying the whole time.
 
2012-09-01 02:49:52 PM

Hollie Maea: I think the bigger story here is that he would lose a marathon to farking Sarah Palin.


3:59's actually pretty respectable for Sarah Palin's age class (3:55 would qualify for Boston), but Paul Ryan was 20. It's possible, maybe probable, that he didn't train much and doesn't really know what a good marathon time is. If that's the case his "I meant 4 hours claim is maybe plausible Sub-3 is pretty fast.

Or he could just be lying.
 
2012-09-01 02:51:27 PM
Yeah, I don't doubt for a moment that he knew what his time was and that he embellished it to make himself look better. It's been years since I swam competitively, and I still know many of my best times and where and when I set them.
 
2012-09-01 02:51:49 PM

Graffito: I demand to see all of his marathon records.


Well it's a marathon, so it's a really long form.
 
2012-09-01 02:52:29 PM

angrycrank: Hollie Maea: I think the bigger story here is that he would lose a marathon to farking Sarah Palin.

3:59's actually pretty respectable for Sarah Palin's age class (3:55 would qualify for Boston), but Paul Ryan was 20. It's possible, maybe probable, that he didn't train much and doesn't really know what a good marathon time is. If that's the case his "I meant 4 hours claim is maybe plausible Sub-3 is pretty fast.

Or he could just be lying.


No, he's just lying. In the interview, he's making it sound like he used to run marathons all the time, and only stopped because he hurt his back. But now his campaign has confirmed that he only ever ran one. He's full of shiat.
 
2012-09-01 02:53:14 PM

Graffito: I demand to see all of his marathon records.


According to TFA, this is the only one.
 
2012-09-01 02:53:17 PM

Serious Black: Yeah, I don't doubt for a moment that he knew what his time was and that he embellished it to make himself look better. It's been years since I swam competitively, and I still know many of my best times and where and when I set them.


You see, he's been running for the same seat in the same podunk part of Wisconsin. He wouldn't know competition if it stepped into the road in front of his car and mooed.
 
2012-09-01 02:54:22 PM
President Obama on the GOP convention: "It was a rerun... You might as well have watched it on a black-and-white TV."

I am so enjoying this election.
 
2012-09-01 02:56:22 PM

shastacola: President Obama on the GOP convention: "It was a rerun... You might as well have watched it on a black-and-white TV."

I am so enjoying this election.


I'm really expecting the DNC to just be replaying all of the RNC and Obama walks on stage in the end and says "People vote for these guys? Really?!"
 
2012-09-01 02:57:00 PM

my lip balm addiction: Graffito: I demand to see all of his marathon records.

According to TFA, this is the only one.


And he would have finished that one under 3 hours if Obama hadn't closed all the water stops.
 
2012-09-01 02:57:32 PM
Paul Ryan is a chameleon. He's taken on the attributes of his brother.
 
2012-09-01 02:57:55 PM
Palin he is not.

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2012-09-01 02:58:32 PM
as a runner, I can say that there is no way in hell someone runs a 4 hour marathon and thinks that they ran it in under 3 hours.

That's the difference between a 9+ minute mile and a sub 7 minute mile for 26.2 miles. If that does not sound like a huge difference to you, go out and run a sub 7 minute mile and then come back and tell us how you feel.

Farking liar!
 
2012-09-01 02:59:17 PM
The one thing we've learned since Ryan was named as Mitt's running mate.

He has real problem with telling lies. The next two months should clear this up.

yeah right
 
2012-09-01 02:59:28 PM

Corvus: But then he changed that and said it was ANOTHER race that he wasn't even listed on participating on.


He participated in it retroactively.
 
2012-09-01 03:00:31 PM

my lip balm addiction: Graffito: I demand to see all of his marathon records.

According to TFA, this is the only one.


So he's hiding the rest? (I'm just trying out how it feels to be as irrational as a birther.) It's making me dizzy - like trying to read in a moving car.
 
2012-09-01 03:08:50 PM

jake_lex: In a way, a lie like that bothers me more than a "big" lie does. "Big" lies are done for a reason: it's understandable why you'd say something like "No, I didn't bang your sister" or "I have no idea how the car's front end got smashed in." And someone who is truthful otherwise might lie in a situation like that.

But why lie about something like this, unless you just can't tell the truth about anything?


They telegraphed it the other night when they said they weren't going to be bound by "fact-checkers".

They know they can't win on the facts so they're going with bold faced flat out lying along with their standard misrepresentations, selectively parsed "facts" that make up seem like down and lies by omission like their infamous "Obama doubled the price of gas" derp.

Hell, their entire centerpiece of the campaign is a flat out lie.

What else do they have?

Romney destroyed the hard drives after the Olympics so there's no record there. The fact that Romney got the government to come in at the last minute with a much needed cash injection isn't anything they want to spend time on, nor his poor showing at the London Olympics nor the fact that the American team uniforms for the SLC Olympics were made in Myanmar to save money.

Romney's Bain narrative is littered with retroactive claims of simultaneously running and not running the place so they've simplified it to "Look at Staples! Staples is teh good!" while ignoring the many casualties who woke up shortly after Mittens bought their place of business and found their job gone.

Mitten Mass Governorship? Please. "Better for the gays than Ted Kennedy" Mittens who now backs bringing back DADT and whose own church spent millions to disenfranchise gay Americans in California? The guy who implemented Romneycare based on a RW think tank plan which was eventually the framework for ACA aka Obamacare? Who is now all "repeal and replace Obamacare" without presenting an actual plan for doing so? Republicans are by and large incapable of proper level of cognitive dissonance as evidenced by the fact that their heads haven't all collectively blown up at this point but even with that caveat being understood there is still only so much "This is the opposite of truth" their wee little heads can take.

So yeah, trying to blame Obama for their concerted efforts to not pass jobs bills, not seat appointments, to get America's credit rating lowered for the first time ever due to shenanigans with the debt ceiling bill, etc etc etc is all they have left and the only way to sell that line of crap is to disregard any semblance of regard for the truth.

It's nice to see that even Runner's Magazine here is pointing out what should be obvious to anyone who's been paying even the slightest bit of attention to these guys.

They lie.
 
2012-09-01 03:11:55 PM
You know which country has great marathon runners? Yes, Joe Arpaio, your answer please....
 
2012-09-01 03:15:44 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Omg if he cant tell the truth about running a marathon, how will he ever tell the truth about running the country!


I think it would be easier to list what he's told the truth about than the list of lies he's told.
 
2012-09-01 03:16:16 PM

RedT: as a runner, I can say that there is no way in hell someone runs a 4 hour marathon and thinks that they ran it in under 3 hours.

That's the difference between a 9+ minute mile and a sub 7 minute mile for 26.2 miles. If that does not sound like a huge difference to you, go out and run a sub 7 minute mile and then come back and tell us how you feel.

Farking liar!


You're probably right. I've run a couple, one a bit under 4 hours and one over. The only way I could do 3 is with those blades Pictorious uses, a jet pack, and a lung transplant from a horse.
 
2012-09-01 03:18:38 PM
I was wondering what it was Peter Segal (the host of Wait Wait, Don't Tell Me) was gripeing about on Twitter about an hour ago. Now I know.

There's no good in lying about something like this. All it does is make you look like a total idiot.

The fact that he's a high profile person is just worse.

/Segal has run a few marathons so he is sort of an expert
//Intentionally ignore the political part because everyone else has said what needs to be said already
 
2012-09-01 03:36:33 PM

Diogenes: Understanding Pathological Liars

Why they lie

Some psychologists theorize that a chronic liar is trying to deceive herself as much as she is trying to deceive others. Because of poor self-esteem, she wants to believe her lies, and often does believe them, at least while she's telling them.

Some of the hallmarks of pathological liars include telling outrageously dramatic stories, telling fibs that are easily disputed, changing stories when challenged and, most importantly, lying even when there's no apparent benefit in telling the lie. Compulsive liars lie for many reasons, including no reason at all, but most often they lie to:

- feel admired
- gain popularity
- control and manipulate
- compensate for feelings of inadequacy and low self-esteem
- cover up failures

Although not officially designated as a mental disorder, pathological lying is often seen as the tip of the iceberg for deeper psychological problems including narcissistic personality disorder, antisocial personality disorder and obsessive-compulsive disorder. Narcissists, for example, constantly fear being revealed as frauds and, thus, weave ever-increasing lies to bolster their fragile self-esteem. People with antisocial personality disorder do not experience guilt and, therefore, lying becomes an easy option.


PSH! That sounds an awful lot like Liberal Sciences.
 
2012-09-01 03:39:43 PM
Clint Eastwoods Chair: I just wanted to compliment you on hopping onto a topical and humorous handle. Well done!
 
2012-09-01 03:45:13 PM
With all these lies coming out, is he still really popular in his home district?
 
2012-09-01 03:49:52 PM
Obama's "hopey changey" lies go on unnoticed.
 
2012-09-01 03:57:40 PM
Does this include marathons spent running around in circles? It takes a special brand of stupid to believe the crap these fools are producing
 
2012-09-01 03:59:48 PM

Free_Chilly_Willy: Obama's "hopey changey" lies go on unnoticed.


A lot of things have changed for the good since Obama was elected. I understand that you are too stupid to notice, so here is a small excerpt from the list, off the top of my head:

1. The country is no longer in recession.
2. Every month we are gaining jobs rather than losing them, and unemployment is trending down rather than up.
3. Gays in the military are no longer required to lie in order to keep their jobs.
4. A pre-existing condition is no longer a death sentence for someone who doesn't have enough money to pay for health care out of pocket.
5. We are no longer fighting a pointless hopeless war in Iraq.
6. Osama Bin Laden is dead, and several of our most notorious decades long enemies are no longer in power.

Counterpoint: We haven't yet completely cleaned up all of the shait caused by 8 years of neocon rule. But that's mostly the fault of asshole congressional republicans who feed off of the ignorance of fools like you.
 
2012-09-01 04:04:46 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Clint Eastwoods Chair: I just wanted to compliment you on hopping onto a topical and humorous handle. Well done!


;-)
 
2012-09-01 04:11:23 PM
At this point, I'm not even sure there names really are Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. They've flat out lied about everything else, why would this be any different?

Seriously, this isn't a "rounding mistake", this is an intentional lie, there is no margin for error that shaves off over 25% of your (only) marathon time, especially when sub-3 hours is exceptional, while 4 hours is pretty common.
 
2012-09-01 04:22:17 PM

Hollie Maea: Free_Chilly_Willy: Obama's "hopey changey" lies go on unnoticed.

A lot of things have changed for the good since Obama was elected. I understand that you are too stupid to notice, so here is a small excerpt from the list, off the top of my head:

1. The country is no longer in recession.
2. Every month we are gaining jobs rather than losing them, and unemployment is trending down rather than up.
3. Gays in the military are no longer required to lie in order to keep their jobs.
4. A pre-existing condition is no longer a death sentence for someone who doesn't have enough money to pay for health care out of pocket.
5. We are no longer fighting a pointless hopeless war in Iraq.
6. Osama Bin Laden is dead, and several of our most notorious decades long enemies are no longer in power.

Counterpoint: We haven't yet completely cleaned up all of the shait caused by 8 years of neocon rule. But that's mostly the fault of asshole congressional republicans who feed off of the ignorance of fools like you.


But Sarah said "hopey changey" isn't working out for us and Princess Grifter would not lie to us.
 
2012-09-01 04:26:45 PM

Mikey1969: At this point, I'm not even sure there names really are Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. They've flat out lied about everything else, why would this be any different?

Seriously, this isn't a "rounding mistake", this is an intentional lie, there is no margin for error that shaves off over 25% of your (only) marathon time, especially when sub-3 hours is exceptional, while 4 hours is pretty common.


Mitt's name is actually Willard.
 
2012-09-01 04:29:35 PM

shastacola: But Sarah said "hopey changey" isn't working out for us and Princess Grifter would not lie to us.


That reminds me. Add to the list of things that are better than they were 4 years ago: Sarah Palin is a nobody whose interviews are being cancelled by Fox News rather than someone with a legitimate chance of making decisions about nuclear war.
 
2012-09-01 04:29:42 PM
Stopwatches have a liberal bias.
 
2012-09-01 04:30:25 PM
I'm sure I will come across as sanctimonious - but there are people (my wife) that take this stuff seriously. It's really not about the time for a lot of runners; It's about finishing. I've watched my wife and her peers train. I can't even run around the block. But to lie about your time. You are a sad little man. Not the type to be running the USA.
 
2012-09-01 04:31:15 PM

FuturePastNow: Mitt's name is actually Willard.


Fun fact: In a debate last fall, Romney told the moderator that Mitt is his first name. So he literally has lied about his own farking name.
 
2012-09-01 04:38:53 PM

riverwalk barfly: I'm sure I will come across as sanctimonious - but there are people (my wife) that take this stuff seriously. It's really not about the time for a lot of runners; It's about finishing. I've watched my wife and her peers train. I can't even run around the block. But to lie about your time. You are a sad little man. Not the type to be running the USA.


This. That is the reason why the people (writers and forum members) worked so hard to dig to the bottom of this. Running a marathon is a huge deal for the people who do it. But the people who do as well as sub 3 hour have poured huge amounts of work into it. Raw talent isn't enough. A few half assed training sessions won't do it no matter how fit you are. To be able to run at a level that most people can't do for a single mile, and to keep it up for 26 miles takes massive commitment and huge amounts of effort. The payoff is that you enter in to competition with the most elite, and beat most of them. Frankly, it pisses people off who have gone through all that to have someone else falsely claim the achievement without putting any work into it. We've all known assholes who bullshait about their accomplishments to try to make themselves look better than everyone else. But most of us don't like those people well enough that we would support them in any election, let alone one for a leader of the nation.
 
2012-09-01 04:46:26 PM
Wow...

You ran a marathon, you finished...

eg, you did something most americans never have...doesn't make you qualified to be VP, but makes a nice little human interest story,

You lie about it...

You are a sad sad man, your high school classmates got you right, and you haven't changed,
 
2012-09-01 04:49:37 PM

Hollie Maea: This. That is the reason why the people (writers and forum members) worked so hard to dig to the bottom of this. Running a marathon is a huge deal for the people who do it. But the people who do as well as sub 3 hour have poured huge amounts of work into it. Raw talent isn't enough.


It's kind of on the same level of saying "I once rushed for 250 yards and six touchdowns in a single game," or "I batted .501 throughout college." It's something that instantly makes you suspicious, since that would be pretty impressive, and the statistics are easily accessible.
 
2012-09-01 04:59:29 PM
Guys! Obama's marathon times would *prove* that he's not from Kenya!
 
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