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2012-09-01 07:55:05 AM
Lance Armstrong is a farking douchebag and has always been a douchebag. Spending $10 on 0.5¢ worth of plastic was a scam, and if you bought it you're farking retarded.
 
2012-09-01 09:05:34 AM
Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.
 
2012-09-01 09:24:49 AM

St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.


Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.
 
2012-09-01 09:29:30 AM

PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.


I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.
 
2012-09-01 09:39:37 AM
jesus, he sounds like a real farking asshole.
 
2012-09-01 10:02:59 AM

St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.


The tests don't matter. What matters is the word of lying cheats and avaristic hangers-on.
 
2012-09-01 10:09:13 AM
He reminds me of my ex wife. Everyone else is lying and it is a giant conspiracy against him. Generally the simplest answer is correct. I just gotta say it, guilty.
 
2012-09-01 10:10:24 AM
Well done subby.

Does anyone really think Armstrong didn't dope? Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty? I certainly know that I wouldn't, even if I was shooting up in front of people. At least not without a fight. In some ways this is very sad, and in some ways he deserves all the bullshiat he gets form here on out.
 
2012-09-01 10:21:40 AM

PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.


That's never an excuse when it comes to having a drug test, if you are told to piss and you refuse most places assume you will test positive.

So he seems to have found some master detoxification solution, he could market that and make millions off potheads!
 
2012-09-01 10:30:20 AM

draa: Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty?


Subaru will give him another one.
 
2012-09-01 10:40:50 AM
I believe Lance probably doped. I also believe he is probably an asshole, but that guy's credibility is virtually non-existent. And any time someone points out the issues with his statements he claims it is just a smear campaign.

He claims that for some unknown reason Lance was contractually obligated to give him $500,000 to open a bike store. The courts have already reviewed that claim and found it had no merit. But he keeps claiming it's a fact.

Let me give you a more likely series of events, although I am not sure of the order:
* This guy threatens to out Lance as a doper
* Lance fires him
* He blackmails Lance for $500,000
* Lance doesn't pay him
* He concocts a story claiming the $500K was a business deal
 
2012-09-01 10:45:01 AM
Did he dope? Propably.

Is he an asshole? Yep.

Is he still arguable the best cyclist of the modern era? Assuredly.

Is it entirely POSSIBLE, and maybe even plausible, that he IS telling the truth, and didn't dope? Yes.

Is it also entirely possible, and maybe even plausible, that he's guilty as sin? Yes.

That's called reasonable doubt folks. The actual truth is almost secondary. We will never know, and we don't need to.

Now, he isn't convicted of anything. He hasn't been charged or jailed. He's free to go about his life.

Let it go already.
 
2012-09-01 10:47:45 AM

xaks: Did he dope? Propably.

Is he an asshole? Yep.

Is he still arguable the best cyclist of the modern era? Assuredly.

Is it entirely POSSIBLE, and maybe even plausible, that he IS telling the truth, and didn't dope? Yes.

Is it also entirely possible, and maybe even plausible, that he's guilty as sin? Yes.

That's called reasonable doubt folks. The actual truth is almost secondary. We will never know, and we don't need to.

Now, he isn't convicted of anything. He hasn't been charged or jailed. He's free to go about his life.

Let it go already.


With Hamilton's book about to start an enormous shiatstorm, it isn't going away anytime soon.
 
2012-09-01 10:56:00 AM
Andreu isn't alone in being vilified. Others on the list include David Walsh (co-author of the investigative book L.A. Confidentiel, who Armstrong once called "a farking little troll"), Greg LeMond, Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, Emma O'Reilly, Richard Pound, Travis Tygart, and me.


Seriously, dude? You want to lump yourself in with Floyd (deny for years he was doping, hack into the drug testing lab computers, defraud supporters for your legal defense fund) Landis and Tyler ("I have a twin that I absorbed in utero - really!") Hamilton?
 
2012-09-01 10:57:25 AM
As someone who really enjoys the sport of cycling, I can honestly say...

Not this shiat again.
 
2012-09-01 10:59:44 AM

puckrock2000: Andreu isn't alone in being vilified. Others on the list include David Walsh (co-author of the investigative book L.A. Confidentiel, who Armstrong once called "a farking little troll"), Greg LeMond, Floyd Landis, Tyler Hamilton, Emma O'Reilly, Richard Pound, Travis Tygart, and me.


Seriously, dude? You want to lump yourself in with Floyd (deny for years he was doping, hack into the drug testing lab computers, defraud supporters for your legal defense fund) Landis and Tyler ("I have a twin that I absorbed in utero - really!") Hamilton?


Everyone talked shiat about Canseco's book as well.
 
2012-09-01 11:12:33 AM
Could someone who loves bicycling be referred to a pedalphile?
 
2012-09-01 11:18:27 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Could someone who loves bicycling be referred to a pedalphile?


Nice humor
 
2012-09-01 11:28:42 AM
Until I am shown a positive test from the years in which Lance won the Tour DE France i cannot agree with stripping him of his titles.

Witnesses alone are not enough especially given all the witnesses against Lance are either dirty themselves or have personal reason to want to destroy Lance.

if Real Proof comes out i shall eat crow, until then I say no punishment with out real proof.
 
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2012-09-01 11:38:47 AM
if everyone else was doping, it doesn't matter. still the greatest of all-time. he could fight the charges until the end of time and go broke doing. he already beat them down in court and all they can do now is throw mud.
 
2012-09-01 11:41:51 AM

grimlock1972: if Real Proof comes out i shall eat crow


giggity?
 
2012-09-01 11:49:11 AM

xaks: Did he dope? Propably.

Is he an asshole? Yep.

Is he still arguable the best cyclist of the modern era? Assuredly.

Is it entirely POSSIBLE, and maybe even plausible, that he IS telling the truth, and didn't dope? Yes.

Is it also entirely possible, and maybe even plausible, that he's guilty as sin? Yes.

That's called reasonable doubt folks. The actual truth is almost secondary. We will never know, and we don't need to.

Now, he isn't convicted of anything. He hasn't been charged or jailed. He's free to go about his life.

Let it go already.


Make you a deal. I'll forget thinking about what pompous, self-centered attention whoring cheater he is when he quits running to every camera and web site he can saying how he's innocent and everyone else is guilty.

The fact here is he protests too damn much to be innocent. Or, he should have let the system run its course (the system of rules he so loudly proclaims his never having been caught by).

The story line of Lance Armstrong, heroic cancer defeater has been replaced with Lance Armstrong, blustering buffoon.

Sorry if that pops anyone's bubbles, some of us realized there was something up with him years ago. True heroes don't go around telling everyone what true heroes they are.
 
2012-09-01 11:51:41 AM
Lance Armstrong lacks balls.
 
2012-09-01 11:54:35 AM

grimlock1972: Until I am shown a positive test from the years in which Lance won the Tour DE France i cannot agree with stripping him of his titles.

Witnesses alone are not enough especially given all the witnesses against Lance are either dirty themselves or have personal reason to want to destroy Lance.

if Real Proof comes out i shall eat crow, until then I say no punishment with out real proof.


You'd have somethin in common with Lance then.... y'know Sheryl Crow and all and ... hey, someone tell those crickets to pipe down!
 
2012-09-01 11:59:10 AM

mc_madness: Lance Armstrong lacks balls.

 
2012-09-01 12:01:55 PM
Lance could have been injecting horse into his neck suring the mountain stages for all I care. Fact is he beat off a field of pansy Europeans for years with one testicle and the doping agency is sore about it and slapping suspensions on every cyclist in an impotent rage.

I'm thinking either you either LET the cyclists dope up and let God sort em out or just castrate the lot of them.
 
2012-09-01 12:03:57 PM
How could Lance be the greatest cyclist of all time when he only raced in July?
even if he did not dope, there are better cyclist than him.
I think Alberto Contador is a better cyclist than Lance.
 
2012-09-01 12:06:25 PM

St_Francis_P: PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.

I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.


Don't try pedaling that line of BS around here.
 
2012-09-01 12:14:34 PM
This is like the 4th different source that I've seen recently coming out calling Armstrong a total douchebag. I'm too lazy to find the link, but Deadspin did a great Q&A recently with an anonymous PR guy, and that guy said Armstrong is the biggest asshole in all of professional sports. That's gotta put you up there in the competition for biggest asshole in the entire human race, doesn't it?
 
2012-09-01 12:15:12 PM

draa: Well done subby.

Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty?


Conceding to a rigged arbitration system would have cost him a lot more than that.
 
2012-09-01 12:22:35 PM

SharkTrager: I believe Lance probably doped. I also believe he is probably an asshole, but that guy's credibility is virtually non-existent. And any time someone points out the issues with his statements he claims it is just a smear campaign.

He claims that for some unknown reason Lance was contractually obligated to give him $500,000 to open a bike store. The courts have already reviewed that claim and found it had no merit. But he keeps claiming it's a fact.

Let me give you a more likely series of events, although I am not sure of the order:
* This guy threatens to out Lance as a doper
* Lance fires him
* He blackmails Lance for $500,000
* Lance doesn't pay him
* He concocts a story claiming the $500K was a business deal


I came here to post the TL;DR version, but I see you have it pretty much covered. I don't believe much of what this asshole says. He's a disgruntled ex-employee.

At this point, I don't even care if Lance doped. Every single rider on the Tour did it, so it's not like he actually had an advantage.
 
2012-09-01 12:22:52 PM

Marcus Aurelius: draa: Well done subby.

Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty?

Conceding to a rigged arbitration system would have cost him a lot more than that.


For ten years, he blustered publically how he'd passed 500 tests under this exact same system.

If you are so great why do you hate the same system now? Oh, because it's rigged.

More like they finally had enough of your crap, rigged or no.

You don't get to tell the world how great you are for 10 years then suddenly all of a sudden the moment the same system you yourself prospered under while all your equally shady peers were being thrown under the Livestrong bus, you don't now suddenly get to claim you are being done wrong.
 
2012-09-01 12:34:16 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Could someone who loves bicycling be referred to a pedalphile?


My buddy has a cycling jersey that says "crank fiend" on it. I may have to one up him.
 
2012-09-01 12:37:20 PM

Generation_D: Marcus Aurelius: draa: Well done subby.

Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty?

Conceding to a rigged arbitration system would have cost him a lot more than that.

For ten years, he blustered publically how he'd passed 500 tests under this exact same system.

If you are so great why do you hate the same system now? Oh, because it's rigged.

More like they finally had enough of your crap, rigged or no.

You don't get to tell the world how great you are for 10 years then suddenly all of a sudden the moment the same system you yourself prospered under while all your equally shady peers were being thrown under the Livestrong bus, you don't now suddenly get to claim you are being done wrong.


If the statute of limitations for this kind of thing is 7 years, how does the USADA get off ruling on anything before 2005?

If the Feds couldn't find enough evidence to prosecute, how does the USADA gain any jurisdiction when the UCI is the overseer of the sport?

If a man passes his drug tests, why is that not enough? Do we really need to go back to 13 years ago and tear everything about the sport to pieces because Travis Tygart has a raging hard-on?

I have no doubt that Lance was a doper. So was everyone else. Who cares? Not me.
 
2012-09-01 12:45:27 PM
Under the rules of the World Anti-Doping Code, Armstrong had to let WADA know exactly where he was at all times.

who wants to live like that .

why is this guy talking is Lance's wrath is so bad
 
2012-09-01 12:53:34 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Could someone who loves bicycling be referred to a pedalphile?


TWO WHEELED
 
2012-09-01 01:05:11 PM

St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.


Masking agents which were previously undetectable in old samples are now being found as the testing procedures evolve.
 
2012-09-01 01:21:21 PM

St_Francis_P: PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.

I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.


The Smails Kid: St_Francis_P: PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.

I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.

Don't try pedaling that line of BS around here.


Really - that was a terrible pun, and he never should have spoke.
 
2012-09-01 01:26:19 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Generation_D: Marcus Aurelius: draa: Well done subby.

Would a man throw away his Legacy like that if he wasn't guilty?

Conceding to a rigged arbitration system would have cost him a lot more than that.

For ten years, he blustered publically how he'd passed 500 tests under this exact same system.

If you are so great why do you hate the same system now? Oh, because it's rigged.

More like they finally had enough of your crap, rigged or no.

You don't get to tell the world how great you are for 10 years then suddenly all of a sudden the moment the same system you yourself prospered under while all your equally shady peers were being thrown under the Livestrong bus, you don't now suddenly get to claim you are being done wrong.

If the statute of limitations for this kind of thing is 7 years, how does the USADA get off ruling on anything before 2005?

If the Feds couldn't find enough evidence to prosecute, how does the USADA gain any jurisdiction when the UCI is the overseer of the sport?

If a man passes his drug tests, why is that not enough? Do we really need to go back to 13 years ago and tear everything about the sport to pieces because Travis Tygart has a raging hard-on?

I have no doubt that Lance was a doper. So was everyone else. Who cares? Not me.


You care enough to keep posting about it.

I really don't care statute of limitations or other lawyering within the Cycling World. All I know is Lance loudly and frequently declared his "I was never caught" for years, and now he is screaming the same system he made look foolish for a decade is "out to get him" and "is a witchhunt."

Sure it is, asshat, but you mocked it openly for a decade. What did you think they would do?

Or for some reason you think a crooked org is going to sit by quietly while you evade the same process every other major cycler has to submit to, apparently.

Anyway, look up hubris and nemesis some time. Armstrong's a living example.
 
2012-09-01 01:41:52 PM
Is the anti-doping aystem overreaching and unfair? Yep. Is Armstrong likely guilty of sin? Yep. He is angry that said system with it's apparent lack of any true statute of limitations won't let him off the hook.

I used to be an Armstrong defender, but this is getting ridiculous. You don't make this many enemies purely by being successful. I don't see Tom Brady or Cal Ripken or Michael Jordan etc etc etc fighting off such universally damning allegations.

Armstrong is lucky to be surrounded by an epically effective legal and PR TEAM. The only athlete of his stature that comes close is Serena Williams (google "serena williams panic room" if you don't believe me).
 
2012-09-01 01:42:01 PM

carrion_luggage: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Could someone who loves bicycling be referred to a pedalphile?

TWO WHEELED


fpgeeks.com
 
2012-09-01 01:44:39 PM
I am a cyclist that lives in Austin. Common knowledge, around these parts anyway, that Armstrong is kind of a jerk. Having said that, Lance is right about this guy - he really is a douche with no credibility. Seems ridiciulous that Armstrong would just agree to hand over half a mil to this guy and the fact he can't produce any evidence to that fact supports this. That he was fired by Lance and had to move to New Zealand speaks more to his character and ability than it does to Lance's in my opinion. I imagine he still has not found success, because the problem is with him.

As far as this USADA thing - who cares. Pretty obvious they were going to get their guy, regardless of the fact there was no meaningful evidence,so Armstrong was right to let it go. As far as anyone is concerned, he still is the 7 time tour de france champion and I am cool with him being introduced as such at events. Not a thing the USADA or anyone else can do about it. I could see Armstrong insisting on that, because as I mentioned, he is kind of a vengeful FU kind of guy, and this would be one way to stick it back to the USADA and the French.
 
2012-09-01 01:49:55 PM
Here's another take:

Armstrong & Bruyneel won the 7 tours thru strategy. They controlled the races to maximize Lance's strenghts and exploit the other teams weaknesses. Did doping help? Probably, but it may have been the doping by team members that helped more than Armstrong actually doping -- they are the ones that would set the pace at the front and get him into position to pounce. No other teams during his 7 wins was as strong. Deutsche Telekom / T-Mobile was the only one that came close -- and they doped. Could the rest of the team or key members been convinced to dope by thinking that Armstrong was and wasn't being caught, therefore it was safe for them to dope? Wouldn't surprise me at all if something like this is what went on. Do I think Armstrong doped -- yep. And I watched most of everyone one of his tour victories and still watch cycling now -- still love the sport. Athletes doping hasn't made me not like football, baseball or basketball. PEDs are widespread in all sports.

Is Armstrong a d-bag -- absolutely -- but most athletes at that level are. Is his cancer survival inspiring -- yes, most stories like that are. Has his foundation and publicity generated for cancer research done great things -- yes.
 
2012-09-01 01:53:25 PM

jso2897: St_Francis_P: PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.

I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.

The Smails Kid: St_Francis_P: PainInTheASP: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Well duh, he's a bicycle racer...whenever they tried to test him, he always claimed to be two tired.

I guess we'll just have to roll with that explanation.

Don't try pedaling that line of BS around here.

Really - that was a terrible pun, and he never should have spoke.


Stop trying to derail the conversation.
 
2012-09-01 02:24:55 PM
So aside from the fact that every single person who ever knew Armstrong, rode with him, worked with him, etc. said he cheated, and aside from the fact that he did test positive for several drugs in many tours, and aside from the fact that he paid several hundred thousand dollars to the testing agency, and aside from the fact that somehow he was able to beat everyone else (many of whom were doping), despite not having won any TdFs pre-cancer...what evidence is there?

At this point, it won't even matter if Armstrong comes out and says "yeah, I cheated. I took every conceivable drug I could find and I cheated the off-season tests all the time. You can't test piss you don't get." A sizable percentage of the retarded American populace will continue to believe he never did anything.
 
2012-09-01 02:27:13 PM

Marcus Aurelius: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

The tests don't matter. What matters is the word of lying cheats and avaristic hangers-on.


I bet you said that about Jose Canseco too.
 
2012-09-01 02:29:52 PM

FlashHarry: jesus, he sounds like a real farking asshole.


Well yea, if I had been fired by the guy I am sure I would make him sound like a complete and utter douchebag too. Hearsay and BS does not become this little twit in the article.

/Lance may be an asshole, I don't know
//but the little fark in the article has ulterior motives
 
2012-09-01 02:34:13 PM

xaks: Did he dope? Propably.

Is he an asshole? Yep.

Is he still arguable the best cyclist of the modern era? Assuredly.

Is it entirely POSSIBLE, and maybe even plausible, that he IS telling the truth, and didn't dope? Yes.

Is it also entirely possible, and maybe even plausible, that he's guilty as sin? Yes.

That's called reasonable doubt folks. The actual truth is almost secondary. We will never know, and we don't need to.

Now, he isn't convicted of anything. He hasn't been charged or jailed. He's free to go about his life.

Let it go already.


I favorited you in bright yellow as a Lance apologizer - I hope you don't mind.

/yellow for Livestrong
//huge bicycle racing fan
///never a big LA fan myself but a "let it go" person at this point - horrible for the sport to keep the witch hunt going
 
2012-09-01 02:36:01 PM

crotchgrabber: As someone who really enjoys the sport of cycling, I can honestly say...

Not this shiat again.


Me too crotchgrabber, me too.

/farkied you in green as a cycling fan for future ref
//went to Europe in 2011 and watched 5 legs of TDF live
 
2012-09-01 02:45:57 PM

Lou Cypher: St_Francis_P: Whether he's a douchebag or not, if he was doping I'm left to wonder how he fooled all the tests.

Masking agents which were previously undetectable in old samples are now being found as the testing procedures evolve.


So farking what? Statute of limitations? The fact that they have 23 of the top 25 one year had guilt or allegations attached to them doesn't matter either? fark all of that - stop the farking witch hunt and the constant smearing of a sport I enjoy.

The one I really don;t get is blood doping. You know, riding around at high altitude to get your red blood cell counts up, and taking some of that blood to strengthen yourself later. IT'S YOUR OWN farkING BLOOD - WHO CARES??? Anyway, I just want it all to end.

In the meantime I enjoyed the 1st World Ports Classic this weekend, and another leg of the Vuelta a Espana where they are finally in the mountains. Joaquim Rodriguez is really surprising folks with his long stay in red so far!
 
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