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(KATU)   Remember the cruise line getting sued because the captain ignored passenger who saw fishing boat in distress? Well maybe not. Bonus- passenger that saw the fishing boat named Gilligan   (katu.com) divider line 20
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2012-09-01 08:17:13 AM
Ah, yes, it was some OTHER stranded, small vessel with people who fit the descriptions of the survivor and one of the deceased, who just happened to be in the area of that boat and were photographed.

So, my question then would be, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOAT THOSE PEOPLE WITNESSED?
 
2012-09-01 08:23:16 AM
As someone who recently cruised Princess cruises, when someone alerted crew about the boat, I doubt they knew English enough to understand.
 
2012-09-01 08:30:25 AM

puffy999: Ah, yes, it was some OTHER stranded, small vessel with people who fit the descriptions of the survivor and one of the deceased, who just happened to be in the area of that boat and were photographed.

So, my question then would be, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOAT THOSE PEOPLE WITNESSED?


Yeah, there was still A BOAT. With people waving at the ship. Not... Not that much better, really.
 
2012-09-01 08:31:10 AM
It's Ira.
 
2012-09-01 08:40:21 AM
I went to high school with a guy named Gilligan who joined the Navy and became a jet pilot. His nickname was 'Little Buddy'.
 
2012-09-01 08:48:56 AM
Five comments, and we're not discussing Ginger v.s. Mary Anne yet?

(I now have Mary Anne With the Shaky Hand in my head...)
 
2012-09-01 08:51:38 AM

Ow My Balls: Five comments, and we're not discussing Ginger v.s. Mary Anne yet?

(I now have Mary Anne With the Shaky Hand in my head...)


Don't lie, we know where that shaky hand is...
 
2012-09-01 09:04:38 AM

Chinchillazilla: puffy999: Ah, yes, it was some OTHER stranded, small vessel with people who fit the descriptions of the survivor and one of the deceased, who just happened to be in the area of that boat and were photographed.

So, my question then would be, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOAT THOSE PEOPLE WITNESSED?


They had a fun day fishing and went home afterwards?
 
2012-09-01 09:28:11 AM

Chinchillazilla: puffy999: Ah, yes, it was some OTHER stranded, small vessel with people who fit the descriptions of the survivor and one of the deceased, who just happened to be in the area of that boat and were photographed.

So, my question then would be, WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOAT THOSE PEOPLE WITNESSED?

Yeah, there was still A BOAT. With people waving at the ship. Not... Not that much better, really.



I'd expect that most people wave at cruise ships (at least, people who haven't been boating long enough to know that waving can be misinterpreted). I guess the question is: was it jumping up and down, double-arms above head waving, or single-hand, head-high, Queen-wave?

Also, if I was adrift at sea, and a cruise ship passed by and didn't seem to care, I'd be fuming about that if I was rescued that day, let alone after my two friends friends 2 weeks later!

/maybe he forgives quickly...
 
2012-09-01 09:38:48 AM

Loomy: I'd expect that most people wave at cruise ships


Sure, I guess, if you're within close spotting distance.

Loomy: I guess the question is: was it jumping up and down, double-arms above head waving, or single-hand, head-high, Queen-wave?


"Sent to US coast guard at 6 pm local time ( between CR and Ecuador) While on a cruise ship the Star Princess, between Ecuador and heading to Puntarenas Costa Rica, 3 of us are birding off the starboard deck with good optics and spotted a boat at about position 06 12.25 N and 083 29.08 W today, possibly about 10 miles SW of that location. The boat appeared to be a disabled fishing boat with one person aboard and nets strung up from the masts. The person was actively waving a shirt or fabric object up and down with both hands. Since we were so many miles off shore and had not seen ANY watercraft all day, we summoned a representative from the ship and asked him to phone the bridge. The rep then came back after calling the bridge of the Star Princess and looked through our scopes himself and could see the man waving something. By this time, he appeared farther away and was now waving a red flag. We took this to be a sign of distress. The boat could be disabled and the man adrift. The Star Princess did not turn around or appear to make any active attempt to deal with the information so we were bothered and decided to send information somewhere ourselves although we realize this is NOT US waters. We are 3 birders with a lot of experience at sea and were using Swarovski binoculars 10/50, a Swarovski spotting scope at 30 to 60 power and my KOWA scope at 30 to 60 power. We have no doubt whatsoever that we saw a man appearing to be in distress and want to be sure that someone who is able to communicate such information knows about it. Respectfully submitted,... , but presently at sea and unable to make a phone call."

From the guy who did all of the work on this story.
 
2012-09-01 10:30:39 AM
These are the internationally recognized maritime distress signals:

- transmit a spoken "mayday" voice message over the radio
- transmit a digital distress signal using a marine radio equipped with DSC
- transmit a digital distress signal using an Inmarsat-C satellite Internet device
- sending Morse code "SOS" using lights or sound
- burning a red flare
- emitting orange smoke from a canister
- displaying flames
- raising and lowering slowly and repeatedly both arms outstretched to each side
- making a continuous sound with a fog horn
- firing a gun or other explosive device at regular one minute intervals
- using signal flags to indicate distress
- displaying a square flag with anything resembling a ball or circle above or below the flag
- launching distress rockets

If negligence caused the deaths of those two boys, the negligence lies with whoever was in charge of the fishing boat. They went out to sea with no safety equipment and no understanding of how to signal for help.

It is not reasonable to expect a large commercial vessel to launch an investigation every time someone waves at them. That is why these predetermined signals exist - to avoid confusion.
 
2012-09-01 10:48:59 AM
And now for an article with some actual information comparing the photo and the recovered craft: Link
 
2012-09-01 10:55:41 AM

Gimmick: These are the internationally recognized maritime distress signals:

- displaying flames


Is this the same as "be on fire"?
 
2012-09-01 10:58:45 AM

puffy999: "We are 3 birders with a lot of experience at sea and were using Swarovski binoculars 10/50, a Swarovski spotting scope at 30 to 60 power and my KOWA scope at 30 to 60 power."


And, being complete professional experts in all things sea related, I'm sure they would never, EVER make up a story about exactly which signals the boat was waving at them, even though they never took a photograph or video of the red flag the boat (which was definitely the Fifty Cent, because they have a lot more experience at sea than those stupid drift analysis people) were waving in a perfect Navy-trained semaphore of "S-O-S, WE ARE THE FIFTY CENT, WE ARE DYING AND YOU COULD HAVE SAVED US YOU BASTARDS."

/whatever
 
2012-09-01 11:17:50 AM
From the two links above, without having seen many shops in my day, I'd say it's possible the cruise ship past a Typical Panamanian Fiberglass Panga Fishing Boat, perhaps not the fiftycent. YOU BE THE JUDGE

www.expertcruiser.com

www.panama-guide.com
 
2012-09-01 12:30:57 PM
So the passenger on the cruise ship was named Gilligan.

The most important question: was there anyone on the fishing boat named Gully Foyle? I feel sorry for Princess Cruise Lines if this is the case.
 
2012-09-01 12:34:51 PM
Statement from plaintiffs' lawyer: "This is not just a lawsuit against the cruise company, it is a message to mankind."

This makes me wonder about the quality of the plaintiffs' legal representation. When the other side is talking about having evidence that disposes of your case, and you can only talk about messages to mankind, well, good luck.

Other evidence their lawyer is not quite getting it- after the company produced expert reports and witness statements in their favor, she says, "The cruise company is just trying to extend this, to wear us out until we give up," she said. "We are ready to fight for years." Um, sounds like what they are doing is trying to shorten the life of this lawsuit- by gathering what they will use to try to defeat you. I think you should be focused on what proof you have to defeat their evidence, rather than a vague misimpression the case will now linger for years (which usually only happens because the lawyers let it lie around, something plaintiff lawyers do with loser cases they can't win). I wouldn't be surprised if the company's next move is a motion to set this case for trial.

I'm not sure who should win here, but it sounds from the press story like the plaintiffs' side has not been working up their case and assumed they could easily prove their case ... They could run into a lot of trouble at trial. They will need a message to the jury, not just mankind as a whole.
 
2012-09-01 12:37:40 PM

optional: Gully Foyle


FWIW (nothing that is) That was my first FARK handle, except that the email address confirmation never arrived, and Drew et. al., never implemented resend.

TIGER, tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What immortal hand or eye
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?
 
2012-09-01 12:39:16 PM

mama's_tasty_foods: This makes me wonder about the quality of the plaintiffs' legal representation. When the other side is talking about having evidence that disposes of your case, and you can only talk about messages to mankind, well, good luck.


When the letter of the law is against you, argue the spirit. When the spirit of the law is against you, argue the letter. When both the letter and the spirit of the law are against you, do your best Tom Cruise impression and hope the judge is easily intimidated.
 
2012-09-01 01:02:08 PM

pizen: Gimmick: These are the internationally recognized maritime distress signals:

- displaying flames

Is this the same as "be on fire"?


Typically, tar or oil would be burned in a barrel or a torch would be lit. However, I'm sure setting the boat ablaze would also get the point across, but I don't recommend it as "Plan A".
 
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