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2012-09-02 11:52:13 AM

Flint Ironstag: Luthien's Tempest:

He did have pity in his voice when he said that he was sorry, but the anger at the daleks was certainly there. I'm not sure that the anger was directed at her, or the fact that she had been fully converted for her genius. And I genuinely think that she wasn't trying to hide the fact that she was a dalek from them, but had herself fooled as well, judging from her reaction to the revelation.

I meant that she would try to hide that if and when she met the Doctor again in the future. She would have thought "If I tell him who I am he'll know I'm a Dalek and he'll hate me/never trust me, so I'll change my name and he'll never know."


Maybe, but I just don't see even a genius being able to hide that from the Doctor. He trusted her when he already had a pretty good idea that she was a dalek throughout the episode, and I think she's smart enough to realize that he knew.

And, I get a sneaking suspicion that, if the companion and Oswin are one in the same, the Doctor will have to have something to do with her continued/renewed existence. I don't think that she survives the planet exploding and makes herself human again all on her own. She is a genius, so maybe it is possible, or maybe her help comes from elsewhere, but I think the "remember me" line had more significance than just that he should remember her and her will, smarts, and sacrifice for the sake of remembering.
 
2012-09-02 11:56:34 AM

Swordfighting_monk: I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.

Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)


Which fits nicely with Amy's hallucination as her mind was being overwritten. The ballerina, mirroring the music box in Oswin's imagined room. The people in formal dress greeting each other, that's something the junior entertainment director on a luxury liner would see frequently. Interesting.
 
2012-09-02 12:01:51 PM
I just stumbled upon the extended "The First Question" 50th anniversary teaser trailer. Wow. Just ... awesome.
 
2012-09-02 12:12:00 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Public Call Box: t3knomanser: whizbangthedirtfarmer: JNT didn't take over as executive producer until a few years into Baker's run

Wrong Baker.

Yes, I was discussing Colin Baker, as I was responding to the previous poster's comments.

Oh do keep up. 6th Doc >

Oh, I had seen him referred as Baker 2 earlier on. When I saw just Baker, I thought WTF? My mistake. But yes, Colin Baker was absolutely screwed. Stupid costume, horrible casting, ridiculous plots (with the exception of a few) really screwed Colin Baker over. That, and his kid dying of SIDS right before his run, I think, just kind of knocked him off balance before he could even get started.


Agreed, it one of the reasons while I believe his Doctor should be judged based on his Big Finish audios. He turns in astounding performances, and has the emotional distance needed to turn those performances.

But having said that, I enjoy Vengence on Varos, and to a lesser extent Attack of the Cybermen, and Revelation of the Daleks too.
 
2012-09-02 12:40:07 PM

Luthien's Tempest: And, I get a sneaking suspicion that, if the companion and Oswin are one in the same, the Doctor will have to have something to do with her continued/renewed existence. I don't think that she survives the planet exploding and makes herself human again all on her own. She is a genius, so maybe it is possible, or maybe her help comes from elsewhere, but I think the "remember me" line had more significance than just that he should remember her and her will, smarts, and sacrifice for the sake of remembering.


That leads to my only question out of last night's episode: why didn't the Doctor bring the Oswin/Dalek with them on the teleporter? Letting a human Dalek loose among the Dalek Parliament would have caused all sorts of trouble for the Daleks.
 
2012-09-02 12:45:47 PM

Dwight_Yeast: That leads to my only question out of last night's episode: why didn't the Doctor bring the Oswin/Dalek with them on the teleporter? Letting a human Dalek loose among the Dalek Parliament would have caused all sorts of trouble for the Daleks.


Perhaps, but would also have run the risk of having an insane Dalek with that incredible level of hacking skill running about the universe, having now realised what was done to her and going even madder still as a result.
 
2012-09-02 12:54:42 PM

Luthien's Tempest: I think the "remember me" line had more significance than just that he should remember her and her will, smarts, and sacrifice for the sake of remembering.


Exactly. I think that is a hint that she had done something, like reprogram the nonobots, that would ensure her survival/resurrection.

The realisation that she was a Dalek may have been a shock, but it also means that after a year of living in denial and sabotaging things she would suddenly realise what she was actually capable of.
 
2012-09-02 01:20:07 PM

Shazam999: Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Eh, I know people who divorced over this. It's not contrived at all.


I do, too. But it IS contrived because there was absolutely no reason for this except to shock the audience at the beginning of the episode. How do i know this? Because they get back together after a 1 minute conversation. Too bad they disnt have that 1 minute conversation six months ago, huh? And, Rory guarded Amy in the Pandorica for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. We're not talking about Ted and Robin breaking up because their life goals are incompatible. We're talking about two people who would and literally have died for each other BOTH wanting kids. Clearly they must break up. Or, I don't know, JUST ADOPT.
 
2012-09-02 01:22:51 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Perhaps, but would also have run the risk of having an insane Dalek with that incredible level of hacking skill running about the universe, having now realised what was done to her and going even madder still as a result.


Yeah, but look at the damage she'd managed to do to the Dalek Asylum while she was there. Let loose among the Dalek high command, she would have assured that they'd never be a threat to the Universe again.
 
2012-09-02 01:24:21 PM
The POST sequence for a Dalek is:

OS: WIN
OS: GOOD
 
2012-09-02 01:28:04 PM

Dwight_Yeast: HopScotchNSoda: Perhaps, but would also have run the risk of having an insane Dalek with that incredible level of hacking skill running about the universe, having now realised what was done to her and going even madder still as a result.

Yeah, but look at the damage she'd managed to do to the Dalek Asylum while she was there. Let loose among the Dalek high command, she would have assured that they'd never be a threat to the Universe again.



I think it's reasonable however to view her as a bigger danger to the universe than the Daleks are.
 
2012-09-02 01:29:35 PM
By the way, I love Rory and Amy. Especially Rory. He's the farking Centurion, for fark's sake. The fact that I like them so much is why I hated the contrived bullshiat divorce.
 
2012-09-02 01:30:33 PM

Dr. Whoof: FirstNationalBastard: /I have no idea who Twilight Sparkle represents.

Martha Jones. Seriously, they have very similar personalities, or as similar as a pony and a fictional Doctor Who companion can have.


Exactly my thought!
 
2012-09-02 01:32:41 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Shazam999: Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Eh, I know people who divorced over this. It's not contrived at all.

I do, too. But it IS contrived because there was absolutely no reason for this except to shock the audience at the beginning of the episode. How do i know this? Because they get back together after a 1 minute conversation. Too bad they disnt have that 1 minute conversation six months ago, huh? And, Rory guarded Amy in the Pandorica for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. We're not talking about Ted and Robin breaking up because their life goals are incompatible. We're talking about two people who would and literally have died for each other BOTH wanting kids. Clearly they must break up. Or, I don't know, JUST ADOPT.


I could imagine that after travelling with the Doctor, with literally all of time and space to explore and all the danger and excitement involved suddenly being dumped back into a normal life with work, doing the laundry, cooking breakfast, paying the bills etc would be a huge shock and difficult to come to terms with. We say Amy being excited to be back in the thick of it, so clearly she had been bored.

How could you adjust to that after spending a year or so in the Tardis? How do any of the ex companions adjust? How could anyone look up at the stars, or read a history book or watch a sci-fi movie without knowing it's out there but they're now stuck here on Earth in 2012 and they'll never get to see it again.
 
2012-09-02 01:41:17 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I just stumbled upon the extended "The First Question" 50th anniversary teaser trailer. Wow. Just ... awesome.


anokchan.com

/that awesome
 
2012-09-02 01:43:45 PM

Flint Ironstag: demonfaerie:
That reminds me, what will make sense 10 episodes from now? Obviously the new companion becomes human. How? She asks him to remember her.

Maybe she nanoed him up with her thoughts or something without him realizing it? She is a human genius, and a Dalek at the same time.

That's my guess. Either she escaped the planet destruction and uses/reprograms the nono tech to turn herself back human or she reprogrammed the nanobots to infect the Doctor (he had taken off the watch) to make him somehow recreate her. If Plan A then she could meet the doctor and since he would not recognise her (because he never saw her) or recognise her voice (because her projected/imagined voice will always be different to her real voice the same way we all think our voice sounds strange on a tape recording) she will become a companion without the Doctor knowing who she is, and that's why she changed her name. She doesn't want the Doctor to know she is a Dalek (see how at the end when he said "You're a Dalek" he said it with hate, not pity. She knows he would never trust her or accept her if he knew she was a dalek, hence the name change.) We will have a companion who has a big secret hidden from the Doctor.


Her finding out she was a Dalek was so heartbreaking, but she had the power to over come the evil, and help the Doctor. He will never forget that, but I think you are right that she might be afraid of telling who she is, if she does comes back somehow. I wonder if they will use the nano technology to bring back River Song.
 
2012-09-02 01:47:10 PM

Flint Ironstag: Mike Chewbacca: Shazam999: Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Eh, I know people who divorced over this. It's not contrived at all.

I do, too. But it IS contrived because there was absolutely no reason for this except to shock the audience at the beginning of the episode. How do i know this? Because they get back together after a 1 minute conversation. Too bad they disnt have that 1 minute conversation six months ago, huh? And, Rory guarded Amy in the Pandorica for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. We're not talking about Ted and Robin breaking up because their life goals are incompatible. We're talking about two people who would and literally have died for each other BOTH wanting kids. Clearly they must break up. Or, I don't know, JUST ADOPT.

I could imagine that after travelling with the Doctor, with literally all of time and space to explore and all the danger and excitement involved suddenly being dumped back into a normal life with work, doing the laundry, cooking breakfast, paying the bills etc would be a huge shock and difficult to come to terms with. We say Amy being excited to be back in the thick of it, so clearly she had been bored.

How could you adjust to that after spending a year or so in the Tardis? How do any of the ex companions adjust? How could anyone look up at the stars, or read a history book or watch a sci-fi movie without knowing it's out there but they're now stuck here on Earth in 2012 and they'll never get to see it again.


Except that neither character said anything about the tedium of normal life taking its toll. The issue was that Amy can't have kids, so she left him.
 
2012-09-02 01:48:38 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!


Add me to the chorus of those of you who hated this. You travel time and space for a few years. You see things that most humans can't even conceive of, but adoption seems somehow outside the realm of possibility.

And..."I'll survive longer because I love you more than you love me". Blech. If I have one wish for this show, can we please stop making it SO much about the romantic relationships of the characters?

Otherwise, ep was good 'nuff for me.
 
2012-09-02 01:53:57 PM

Six_By_Nine: Mike Chewbacca: Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Add me to the chorus of those of you who hated this. You travel time and space for a few years. You see things that most humans can't even conceive of, but adoption seems somehow outside the realm of possibility.

And..."I'll survive longer because I love you more than you love me". Blech. If I have one wish for this show, can we please stop making it SO much about the romantic relationships of the characters?

Otherwise, ep was good 'nuff for me.


I thought that line what Rory said made sense, because a lot of people who watch Doctor Who thought the same thing; that Rory loved Amy more than Amy loved Rory. Here is proof that they are both equally in love with each other, and she made an ultimate sacrifice by giving him up so he could have children of his own. Sometimes people don't want to adopt, they want to have biological children. To bad River Song can't just pop out a kid so they could have grandchildren.
 
2012-09-02 01:56:36 PM

demonfaerie: Six_By_Nine: Mike Chewbacca: Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Add me to the chorus of those of you who hated this. You travel time and space for a few years. You see things that most humans can't even conceive of, but adoption seems somehow outside the realm of possibility.

And..."I'll survive longer because I love you more than you love me". Blech. If I have one wish for this show, can we please stop making it SO much about the romantic relationships of the characters?

Otherwise, ep was good 'nuff for me.

I thought that line what Rory said made sense, because a lot of people who watch Doctor Who thought the same thing; that Rory loved Amy more than Amy loved Rory. Here is proof that they are both equally in love with each other, and she made an ultimate sacrifice by giving him up so he could have children of his own. Sometimes people don't want to adopt, they want to have biological children. To bad River Song can't just pop out a kid so they could have grandchildren.


Wow, hey, I haven't seen the episode yet, but that's pretty goddamned stupid. That's a plot "twist" reminiscent of Sherlock, for chrissakes. "Well, I can't have kids, so I'm ditching your ass so you can go find someone else, therefore I am both a martyr and a biatch all in one fell swoop! Hooray!"
 
2012-09-02 02:05:47 PM
The Rory and Amy debate...

Many of you seem to like Amy Pond, or are too blinded by ZOMG REDHEAD SQUEEEEEEE to notice, but Amy has pretty much always been a stupid, thoughtless biatch. Her actions from last night's episode are no different than, say, running off with the Doctor on her wedding day, or her usual treating Rory like shiat.

Yeah, last night's forced romance scenes were annoying, but not out of character.
 
2012-09-02 02:06:26 PM

Flint Ironstag: I could imagine that after travelling with the Doctor, with literally all of time and space to explore and all the danger and excitement involved suddenly being dumped back into a normal life with work, doing the laundry, cooking breakfast, paying the bills etc would be a huge shock and difficult to come to terms with. We say Amy being excited to be back in the thick of it, so clearly she had been bored.

How could you adjust to that after spending a year or so in the Tardis? How do any of the ex companions adjust? How could anyone look up at the stars, or read a history book or watch a sci-fi movie without knowing it's out there but they're now stuck here on Earth in 2012 and they'll never get to see it again.



That was examined a bit with Sarah Jane Smith, both in "School Reunion" and periodically in The Sarah Jane Adventures. No man was able to compare, she grew old alone and a with a view of the universe that interfered with essentially all of her relationships. It wasn't just not finding a husband; she couldn't or wouldn't socialize with other humans, finding them rather tedious. The only close adult relationship she had in TSJA was her alien supercomputer which she called "Mr Smith". Sure, she kept in limited with the Brigadier, but it was made clear in the one time he guest starred that they hadn't seen each other in years.

When people criticised marrying off Martha and Mickey because they were both negroes (despite the fact that Donna kept up her jungle fever in the very same episode), I disagreed. I noted that Mickey & Martha were the only age appropriate people for each other who could at all relate to the impossible things they saw, what they did, and what happened to them. And like SJS, they couldn't take regular jobs, and had to go hunting aliens. Sara Jane likewise noted that Ian & Barbara and Ben & Polly stayed together. Leela, Peri, and Mel each hooked up with men from beyond the stars.
 
2012-09-02 02:11:05 PM

demonfaerie: To bad River Song can't just pop out a kid so they could have grandchildren.


No, it can't happen. Not only does she look post-menopausal, but River/Mels isn't black anymore.
 
2012-09-02 02:12:32 PM

HopScotchNSoda: No, it can't happen. Not only does she look post-menopausal, but River/Mels isn't black anymore


There's always a next regeneration. And before you say, "But she used the last of her regenerations to save the Doctor!", let me remind you: it doesn't fricking matter. No matter how often a Time Lord character has given up their last regeneration, there's always more where that came from.
 
2012-09-02 02:13:37 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I just stumbled upon the extended "The First Question" 50th anniversary teaser trailer. Wow. Just ... awesome.


Would be more awesome if it were official, but it's fan made. Still, very well done.
 
2012-09-02 02:22:35 PM

Type40: The Clone doctor from the alternate universe (David Tennant) turns up determined to get his regenerations back from the real doctor. He has all the doctors memorys and is now stuck on alt earth with a family pof chavs, it shouldn't take him long to go completely insane, kill them all and come after the doctor.


It's the Valyard!
 
2012-09-02 02:41:34 PM

t3knomanser: HopScotchNSoda: No, it can't happen. Not only does she look post-menopausal, but River/Mels isn't black anymore
There's always a next regeneration. And before you say, "But she used the last of her regenerations to save the Doctor!", let me remind you: it doesn't fricking matter. No matter how often a Time Lord character has given up their last regeneration, there's always more where that came from.


That wouldn't be my reason for objecting. Rather, it would be because we know that the regeneration from this current self is the uploading of her consciousness into the Library computer.

Meanwhile, she said in "Let's Kill Hitler" that she can revere-age (which explained how a little girl in January 1970 could be the schoolmate of a girl born in 1993). It is conceivable [no pun intended] that she could de-age just her lady parts, and have her mum squirt her sibling's zygote up in there. But I do not think for a second that such will come to pass. At the very least, it would further extend the series only whole family of companions (Donna & Wilfred can hardly compare) beyond all reason.

If they were going to get a surrogate, I actually see them hiring Strax to do it. Rory would be incredulous at first: "A Sontaran? You want a Sontaran to carry our child? Isn't he, you know, a, well, man?" But Amy is the boss in their house: "The Doctor said they're like hermaphrodites ... or ...something ... whatever. Who else would you suggest? Some girl from a want ad? Can you think of anyone -- in the entire universe -- whom you would trust more to protect our unborn child than him ... or her?"  Rory would promptly agree.
 
2012-09-02 02:52:27 PM

HopScotchNSoda: If they were going to get a surrogate, I actually see them hiring Strax to do it.


That's way to "adult themed" to be on Doctor Who, but holy shiat I want a 6 episode spinoff series structured as a 30 minute sitcom built around that premise.
 
2012-09-02 03:01:13 PM
When I heard the title of the episode, I thought asylum meant the Daleks needed protection from another alien force. Once the episode got started, however, I realized I was wrong. I did feel sorry for the insane Daleks though.
 
2012-09-02 03:09:42 PM

t3knomanser: HopScotchNSoda: If they were going to get a surrogate, I actually see them hiring Strax to do it.
That's way to "adult themed" to be on Doctor Who, but holy shiat I want a 6 episode spinoff series structured as a 30 minute sitcom built around that premise.


You do know about the "Doctor Who' All-Lesbian Christmas" coming up, right?

My fear that such a sitcom as you describe would find itself falling back on just being about who is more uncomfortable: Strax or Rory. That and Strax's hormones making him alternatively hungry and furious at their Ood butler all day while Amy and Rory are out at work. That Strax is now (or will have been by this year's Christmas special) an experienced butler himself can only add fuel to the fire.
 
2012-09-02 04:12:00 PM

HopScotchNSoda: I just stumbled upon the extended "The First Question" 50th anniversary teaser trailer. Wow. Just ... awesome.


Rwa2play: /that awesome


Link 

Yes. Yes indeed.
 
2012-09-02 04:30:53 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Flint Ironstag: I could imagine that after travelling with the Doctor, with literally all of time and space to explore and all the danger and excitement involved suddenly being dumped back into a normal life with work, doing the laundry, cooking breakfast, paying the bills etc would be a huge shock and difficult to come to terms with. We say Amy being excited to be back in the thick of it, so clearly she had been bored.

How could you adjust to that after spending a year or so in the Tardis? How do any of the ex companions adjust? How could anyone look up at the stars, or read a history book or watch a sci-fi movie without knowing it's out there but they're now stuck here on Earth in 2012 and they'll never get to see it again.


That was examined a bit with Sarah Jane Smith, both in "School Reunion" and periodically in The Sarah Jane Adventures. No man was able to compare, she grew old alone and a with a view of the universe that interfered with essentially all of her relationships. It wasn't just not finding a husband; she couldn't or wouldn't socialize with other humans, finding them rather tedious. The only close adult relationship she had in TSJA was her alien supercomputer which she called "Mr Smith". Sure, she kept in limited with the Brigadier, but it was made clear in the one time he guest starred that they hadn't seen each other in years.

When people criticised marrying off Martha and Mickey because they were both negroes (despite the fact that Donna kept up her jungle fever in the very same episode), I disagreed. I noted that Mickey & Martha were the only age appropriate people for each other who could at all relate to the impossible things they saw, what they did, and what happened to them. And like SJS, they couldn't take regular jobs, and had to go hunting aliens. Sara Jane likewise noted that Ian & Barbara and Ben & Polly stayed together. Leela, Peri, and Mel each hooked up with men from beyond the stars.


We also find out that Jo hardly lived a normal earth life, running off to remote places on earth, hanging out in the Amazon and all that jazz.

Basically, it appears that returning to earth after traveling with the Doctor is like having the absolute worst reverse culture shock you could possibly imagine, and unlike when you're having reverse culture shock from living abroad, there's almost nobody who can understand your experience. Your life is never going to be the same after traveling with the Doctor and if you even try to tell somebody about what happened they'll think you're completely batty,
 
2012-09-02 05:15:43 PM

wookiemonster: Seriously, the eye stalk and gun are just too over the top.


Surely an updated version of the Dalek servants in Resurrection of the Daleks:
upload.wikimedia.org 

(See the man in the background with the Dalek eye-stalk helmet and the gun that fits over his hand.)
 
2012-09-02 05:24:04 PM

flamingboar: When I heard the title of the episode, I thought asylum meant the Daleks needed protection from another alien force. Once the episode got started, however, I realized I was wrong. I did feel sorry for the insane Daleks though.


Let us define an insane dalek as one that wishes to attack The Doctor...
 
2012-09-02 05:25:56 PM

HopScotchNSoda: demonfaerie: To bad River Song can't just pop out a kid so they could have grandchildren.

No, it can't happen. Not only does she look post-menopausal, but River/Mels isn't black anymore.



THAT'S XENIST!
 
2012-09-02 05:44:28 PM

demonfaerie: she made an ultimate sacrifice by giving him up so he could have children of his own.


Somehow, him going 2000 years without having children doesn't equate to her breaking up with him for not being able to give him children at all.

And I'm sorry breaking up with someone does not count as "ultimate sacrifice". Waiting 2000 years for someone, now THAT is an ultimate sacrifice.
 
2012-09-02 06:09:28 PM

BarryJV: wookiemonster: Seriously, the eye stalk and gun are just too over the top.

Surely an updated version of the Dalek servants in Resurrection of the Daleks:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x497] 

(See the man in the background with the Dalek eye-stalk helmet and the gun that fits over his hand.)


Which was an update of this guy:

tardisadventure.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-02 06:11:44 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Shazam999: Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Eh, I know people who divorced over this. It's not contrived at all.

I do, too. But it IS contrived because there was absolutely no reason for this except to shock the audience at the beginning of the episode. How do i know this? Because they get back together after a 1 minute conversation. Too bad they disnt have that 1 minute conversation six months ago, huh? And, Rory guarded Amy in the Pandorica for TWO THOUSAND YEARS. We're not talking about Ted and Robin breaking up because their life goals are incompatible. We're talking about two people who would and literally have died for each other BOTH wanting kids. Clearly they must break up. Or, I don't know, JUST ADOPT.


What I am saying is that it's a perfectly reasonable plot point. Yes, they could adopt. Also, the Doctor should just go back in to the TARDIS after the start of each episode.
 
2012-09-02 06:20:06 PM
I was expecting more. Wasn't bad, but wasn't super exciting.

Really wished the Special Weapons Dalek would have done something other than just sit there, decaying.
 
2012-09-02 06:43:42 PM

BarryJV: wookiemonster: Seriously, the eye stalk and gun are just too over the top.

Surely an updated version of the Dalek servants in Resurrection of the Daleks:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x497] 

(See the man in the background with the Dalek eye-stalk helmet and the gun that fits over his hand.)


Is the bubble wrap to protect the pillow or the Doctor?
 
2012-09-02 06:54:43 PM

Dwight_Yeast: BarryJV: wookiemonster: Seriously, the eye stalk and gun are just too over the top.

Surely an updated version of the Dalek servants in Resurrection of the Daleks:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 640x497] 

(See the man in the background with the Dalek eye-stalk helmet and the gun that fits over his hand.)

Is the bubble wrap to protect the pillow or the Doctor?


It's to piss off the sound guy by making lots of pops every time the actor moves.
 
2012-09-02 06:57:05 PM
I'm watching the episode again, and when we first see Oswin, the Dalek are saying "We will enter!" I don't think they're trying to get into her shell; it's the group of Daleks trying to get into the room she's chained down in.

Also, if you watch it again, look at the shape of the room Oswin lives in; I think we're seeing the inside of something we're used to seeing the outside of.
 
2012-09-02 06:58:25 PM
So, do we have a concensus? Were the sane Daleks unanimously afraid to go into the asylum because of the insane Daleks in general, or because of Oswin? Was the "Where did you get the milk?" line of questioning cut off because the Daleks were impatient and saw it as irrelevant, or because they knew the answer? Who placed Oswin in a room of her own, protected by a sentry of those who had survived the Doctor/Predator (her fellow inmates, or the sane Daleks)?

Darla's opening narration is a message to her daughter, Hanna. Oswin's narration includes wishing a happy birthday to her mother. Significance?
 
2012-09-02 07:12:21 PM
While I wish the classic-model Daleks played a more active part in the story, remember the most recent props are about 25 years old, some date back almost half a century.
I doubt they could've been used without risking breaking them...
 
2012-09-02 07:13:19 PM

HopScotchNSoda: So, do we have a concensus? Were the sane Daleks unanimously afraid to go into the asylum because of the insane Daleks in general, or because of Oswin? Was the "Where did you get the milk?" line of questioning cut off because the Daleks were impatient and saw it as irrelevant, or because they knew the answer? Who placed Oswin in a room of her own, protected by a sentry of those who had survived the Doctor/Predator (her fellow inmates, or the sane Daleks)?

Darla's opening narration is a message to her daughter, Hanna. Oswin's narration includes wishing a happy birthday to her mother. Significance?


Well, we know the Alaska did in fact crash into the Asylum, but we don't know when. Could have been a year ago as Oswin thinks, or it could have been long before that.

My feeling is that it was recent, Oswin was completely converted (for whatever reason) and that in less than a year she made an utter mess of the place trying to defend herself from "intruders".

On the other hand, it's possible that the Dalek thought it was Oswin had simply assumed that persona, was already locked up in the Asylum (at the heart of the Asylum) and was the maddest and most dangerous of them all, which would have meant that "she" had been there for a very long time.

Either way, even with the entire planet being automated, the Daleks should have known something very odd was going on.

One last question: how did the Alaska get through the force field?
 
2012-09-02 07:14:37 PM
Heyyyyyy, check out Oswin's belt. Is it just me, or do those lines of studs running down look like she incorporated her "Dalek bumps" into her self-awareness? The rectangular electronics holsters along the side are also evocative of those vertical panels above the bumps, below the dome of most Daleks.
 
2012-09-02 07:15:32 PM
HopScotchNSoda: I just stumbled upon the extended "The First Question" 50th anniversary teaser trailer. Wow. Just ... awesome

Wholly farkin' shait that was AWESOME!
 
2012-09-02 07:21:09 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Heyyyyyy, check out Oswin's belt. Is it just me, or do those lines of studs running down look like she incorporated her "Dalek bumps" into her self-awareness? The rectangular electronics holsters along the side are also evocative of those vertical panels above the bumps, below the dome of most Daleks.


Upon closer inspection, I do believe she did stealthily incorporate "Dalek bumps" into her design

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2012-09-02 07:22:02 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Heyyyyyy, check out Oswin's belt. Is it just me, or do those lines of studs running down look like she incorporated her "Dalek bumps" into her self-awareness? The rectangular electronics holsters along the side are also evocative of those vertical panels above the bumps, below the dome of most Daleks.


Yeahhh, the more I look at it. Duh, of course. She even has an egg wisk hanging from her belt; she explained away her weapon as being a wisk.

She even wears the belt outside of her apron.
 
2012-09-02 07:22:51 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Upon closer inspection, I do believe she did stealthily incorporate "Dalek bumps" into her design


Those are etheric detectors!
 
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