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(Guardian)   Will Rory get killed again? Are the Daleks going to be the classic versions, or of the My Little Dalek: Extermination is Magic design? And just Who is The Doctor? Season 7 of Doctor Who begins with Asylum of the Daleks   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 457
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2012-09-02 02:16:39 AM
I have not been this smitten with a TV character since Jennie Garth was on 90210. Good LAWD that Jenna Louise Coleman is beautiful.

She's also another daughter of Amy Pond. Well, her character is, anyways.
 
2012-09-02 02:18:15 AM

FirstNationalBastard: o, we went through this before... the usual depiction of Doctor Whooves is the Tenth Doctor. Derpy is obviously Rose (or is it that Rose was obviously Derpy? Eh, it works either way).

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/I have no idea who Twilight Sparkle represents.


Other than what is inflicted upon me by the children of friends, I don't do "My Little Pony", so forgive me if I stick with the more 'pop' comparison.
 
2012-09-02 02:29:56 AM

demonfaerie:

Yeah that is true, but it's mostly because fanboys see Doctor Whooves as the 10th Doctor, because that is the first male pony that looks like one of the Doctors. There has been hints to others, but people just love Tennant more.


I went through the majority of Doctor Who in a relatively short amount of time, so I don't really have a "my Doctor". Yeah, the first one I watched was Eccleston, but his run was too short for me to scream "BEST DOCTOR EVAR" about him.

That also means I don't get the fanboy attachment to just one Doctor. They all had their moments (well, except for McGann).

/however, I will fight to get Donna Noble recognized as best NuWho companion.
//and, yeah, Upcoming Companion could be the second best of the new series, if she is written like the character from Asylum of the Daleks.
 
2012-09-02 02:41:00 AM
Oh, another observation - whatever was done to Amy on Demon's Run...anyone care to wager that the nanogenes that were Dalekifying her undid it? I mean, that's what they were made for in the first place, right? When we first met nanogenes they were on an ambulance ship and were meant for healing.
 
2012-09-02 02:43:09 AM
Moffat is good writer, but at times it seems he has a retarded twin brother that takes over whenever he takes a tea break. Great concept for the episode: A Dalek insane asylum. Great set design. Good twist at the end. But the episodes is ruined by another DURRRRR! NANOOO ROBOTS TAKE OVER ANYTHING AND TURN IT INTO DALEKZ!
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Seriously, the eye stalk and gun are just too over the top.

If the Daleks had this nano tech the whole time, why didn't they just sit back, sip on some Dalek Margaritas, and just infect all of their enemies with this unstoppable, and invisible Dalek nano-virus?

It would have been cooler and infinitely more creepy if the Daleks created the "Android-Daleks" which had a human-like shell, but had a Dalek inside AND the brain of the host. The Daleks could have finally defeated their (forgotten) other foe, the Movellans, which were Androids, and used their tech to make Dalek-droids.
 
2012-09-02 02:56:30 AM

wookiemonster: But the episodes is ruined by another DURRRRR! NANOOO ROBOTS TAKE OVER ANYTHING AND TURN IT INTO DALEKZ!


Seemed plausible to, me.

The espisode left me feeling pretty optimistic about the rest of the season - Moffatt's back and it looks like he's returned to form.
 
2012-09-02 03:13:19 AM

FirstNationalBastard: ... I went through the majority of Doctor Who in a relatively short amount of time, so I don't really have a "my Doctor". Yeah, the first one I watched was Eccleston, but his run was too short for me to scream "BEST DOCTOR EVAR" about him.

That also means I don't get the fanboy attachment to just one Doctor. They all had their moments (well, except for McGann).

/however, I will fight to get Donna Noble recognized as best NuWho companion.
//and, yeah, Upcoming Companion could be the second best of the new series, if she is written like the character from Asylum of the Daleks.


I actually cannot remember which Doctor my first was. My friend introduced me to Doctor Who with both Tom Baker and Christopher Eccleston. She only had the one Baker episode on DVD, so when 9 regenerated, I was wholly unprepared, and freaked out about WTF was going on, she nearly died laughing at me. I warmed up to Tennant pretty quickly, though. In all honesty, T. Baker is my favorite, but Smith and Tennant are not far behind, mostly because I just love the whackiness. I certainly do not understand people hating one Doctor because he's not the other Doctor. Makes no damn sense to me.

demonfaerie: ... Also they kind of ignore original run of Doctor Who, but they still watch it to make fun of it. They also like to cosplay old Doctor incarnations to show how into the show they are. I've learned this from experience, while going bar hopping with a few of them.


I have a strong desire to find these people and string them up with my scarf.

Sure, the effects are cheesy (and some of the plots, and costumes and sets are cheesy, too) and downright dreadful at times, but it is awesome. I will admit to laughing at times, though; my friend and I cracked up at the crappy effects in Horror of Fang Rock for example, where the monster looked completely different (with vastly different size) depending on whether you were watching it climb up the steps from above or below.
 
2012-09-02 03:44:25 AM
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Remember Me.....
 
2012-09-02 03:54:07 AM
I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Also, as soon as the Doctor said, "You're cold" I knew the chick was a Dalek, or something like that. My mind instantly flashed to Bathilda Bagshot in Harry Potter, and I just knew.
Also foresaw the zombie Daleks.
Also totally figured out Oswin was a Dalek (at least like the black guy was, Dalek-ish, I suppose) as soon as black dude outed himself. It was so obvious.

The only cool part was the bit at the end where the Daleks forget who the Doctor is. I saw it coming when she made the other Daleks forget him, but I love the implication so much that I'm willing to look beyond its obviousness.
 
2012-09-02 03:54:22 AM

Snapper Carr: wookiemonster: But the episodes is ruined by another DURRRRR! NANOOO ROBOTS TAKE OVER ANYTHING AND TURN IT INTO DALEKZ!

Seemed plausible to, me.

The espisode left me feeling pretty optimistic about the rest of the season - Moffatt's back and it looks like he's returned to form.


Nu-Who daleks find lifeforms other than them to be disgusting and they hate them. So to keep them around is a contradiction.
 
2012-09-02 03:57:12 AM

Leishu: 1. Your name is awesome.
2. Your commentary is well stated.

... that's all. I just thought you should know.


*blush* Oh you do go on!

;-)
 
2012-09-02 04:00:14 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!



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2012-09-02 04:04:30 AM

sirbissel: Gosling: sirbissel: Currently watching all the classic Who eps (naming kid after one of the 4th/5ths companions, trying to get to that point before she shows up in December)...

You're going to name your kid Kamelion? For shame.

Well, with the last name Mann, I figured it'd make a good villain name.


Kamelion? That's bad Karma
 
2012-09-02 04:09:32 AM

MadSkillz: Nu-Who daleks find lifeforms other than them to be disgusting and they hate them. So to keep them around is a contradiction.


Under normal circumstances that would be reasonable, but the Doctor has driven them to the brink of total extinction - and they've done something like this before - (I know, we'd all like to forget about Daleks in Manhattan but the episode shows their drive to survive will take precedent over their xenophobia when the alternative means death of the entire race.
 
2012-09-02 04:34:44 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Now, Daleks are happily turning Humans?


You're forgetting Revelation of the Daleks...

www.freewebs.com
 
2012-09-02 05:31:18 AM
Fantastic episode. so complete, well paced, packs a heck of a lot in without feeling rushed.

Two episodes I want to see made:

1. A literal re-visitng of a classic story in the stye of DS9 "trouble with tribbles". The companion runs away from some monster, takes shelter in the TARDIS and we see the classic console room and Jon Pertwee at the controls. My origional idea was for it to bee Dinosaurs in London with all the effects updated (Thought of this before the promos for next weeks episodes) I would also have included young and old Sarah Janes, pitty that's impossible now.

2. The Clone doctor from the alternate universe (David Tennant) turns up determined to get his regenerations back from the real doctor. He has all the doctors memorys and is now stuck on alt earth with a family pof chavs, it shouldn't take him long to go completely insane, kill them all and come after the doctor.
 
2012-09-02 05:42:49 AM
Liked this story a lot. They made the Daleks a threat rather than silly metal boxs running around shouting at everything. Eleven was smart and brave rather than a bafoon, and Amy actually loving and self-sacrificing instead of being a self centered biatch.

pseudowho: FirstNationalBastard: Now, Daleks are happily turning Humans?

You're forgetting Revelation of the Daleks...

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This. Davros developed a technique to convert humans into daleks way back in the sixth Doctors era. Just before he was captured by the Daleks and later became their emperor. Its actually a nice little bit of continuity.
 
2012-09-02 05:48:23 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!


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Haven't made it all the way through yet, but when I saw that nonsense, bullshiat garbage at the opening, I skipped to a random spot or two in the last 5m to make sure the whole episode wasn't going to piss me off by having them remain apart. Back to the episode now, and FARK YOU, MOFFAT for such an unbelievable, underwritten, ill-conceived, cheap and tawdry shock that makes two great characters seem like shallow farkwits.

A Venutian karate chop to the head for you, ya arse.

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2012-09-02 06:41:44 AM

Old enough to know better: This. Davros developed a technique to convert humans into daleks way back in the sixth Doctors era. Just before he was captured by the Daleks and later became their emperor. Its actually a nice little bit of continuity.


There was a lot of nice bits of continuity in the episode -- my favorite I think was the series of direct references to Planet of the Daleks, The Daleks' Master Plan, The Chase, Power of the Daleks, and Death to the Daleks (the wars that were named, in that order).
 
2012-09-02 07:11:46 AM
I have a question, Why do I recognise the interior of the escape pod?
 
2012-09-02 07:52:36 AM
Some reviewer said that there was an oft-repeated Tennant quote in Asylum, but I can't remember what it was...did anyone catch it?

/Alonsee?
 
2012-09-02 08:32:45 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Mega Steve: FirstNationalBastard: Di Atribe: ODDwhun: I am enjoying that the new companion is not going to be a helpless girl from present day Earth.

Helpless? Like who?

What a helpless Who may look like:

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I watched The Five Doctors the other day and I was reminded of what a limp-noodle the Fifth Doctor was. Peter Davison had his moments, but for the most part he was collapsing from something or other. Hell, the first few episodes he was in, he had regeneration sickness and wasn't a very active member of the story.

Not the actor's fault. Just not great writing, I guess

I believe Davison himself said that if the writing had been as good in his first two seasons as it was in his final season, he wouldn't have left after three seasons.

...now, why they couldn't carry the good writing from Davison's final season over into Colin Baker's run, I don't know.

/Eh, Baker 2 had Vengeance on Varos, which shows the promise his Doctor had. The writers just couldn't consistently write good episodes.


Honestly, Baker's best work is with Big Finish. He was ill-served by JN-T's production and stories,
 
2012-09-02 09:04:59 AM

Mike Chewbacca: I saw it coming when she made the other Daleks forget him


Of course you saw it coming. THAT WAS THE ENTIRE POINT.

"Man, this is so predictable. When a plot point is revealed, I can think through the implications of that before the show spoon feeds me those very same implications."

Look, if you want unpredictable, hook a word processor up to a random number generator. I guarantee that you'll never know what comes next. But plot points follow in a logical sequence. If anyone you know was surprised by the fact that all the Daleks forgot the Doctor, after a character explicitly told you that she made the Daleks forget the Doctor, you must have some kind of brain damage that prevents your memory from functioning the way it's supposed to.
 
2012-09-02 09:31:38 AM

Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!


Eh, I know people who divorced over this. It's not contrived at all.
 
2012-09-02 09:42:17 AM

Public Call Box: FirstNationalBastard: Mega Steve: FirstNationalBastard: Di Atribe: ODDwhun: I am enjoying that the new companion is not going to be a helpless girl from present day Earth.

Helpless? Like who?

What a helpless Who may look like:

[theoodcast.com image 508x382]

I watched The Five Doctors the other day and I was reminded of what a limp-noodle the Fifth Doctor was. Peter Davison had his moments, but for the most part he was collapsing from something or other. Hell, the first few episodes he was in, he had regeneration sickness and wasn't a very active member of the story.

Not the actor's fault. Just not great writing, I guess

I believe Davison himself said that if the writing had been as good in his first two seasons as it was in his final season, he wouldn't have left after three seasons.

...now, why they couldn't carry the good writing from Davison's final season over into Colin Baker's run, I don't know.

/Eh, Baker 2 had Vengeance on Varos, which shows the promise his Doctor had. The writers just couldn't consistently write good episodes.

Honestly, Baker's best work is with Big Finish. He was ill-served by JN-T's production and stories,


Wha?

JNT didn't take over as executive producer until a few years into Baker's run with The Leisure Hive (the change in Baker's costume to mostly reds and the destruction of K9 are the two biggest clues). Up until that point, Baker had some wonderful episodes: The Deadly Assassin, Seeds of Doom, Face of Evil, Horror at Fang Rock, Talons of Weng Chiang, City of Death, etc. If I remember my dates correctly, JNT and Baker were only together for one year before Davison came in.
 
2012-09-02 09:49:59 AM

Gunny Walker: Flint Ironstag: The reveal reminded me of Source Code. But the whole milk thing bugged me. They have replicators in the Whoverse, so why wonder where she got milk from?

He wanted to find out what kind of "world" she lived in without asking a lot of direct questions. He might have been suspicious that she was a Dalek very early on, but didn't want to shock her since she was the only way out. After all, it would have been shocking to come right out and say, "You do know you are a Dalek, right?" It wouldn't be that far of a stretch to think that it was a Dalek right away. Who else is smart enough to hack a Dalek insane asylum but a Dalek? And what's more insane than a Dalek that plays music. She may have never been human. She only thinks she looks like Jenna-Louise Coleman


It's also possible that he recognized the technology used on the ship and knew that they didn't have replicators at the time, or that the odds of finding a working replicator on a planet full of Daleks is kinda slim, or that the odds of anyone managing to shield themselves from the nanocloud, or even realizing it exists until it was too late, would be slim.

It is interesting that she has her own little room like some sort of centerpiece just off the room with all the Daleks that have survived the Doctor over the years.
 
2012-09-02 10:19:10 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: JNT didn't take over as executive producer until a few years into Baker's run


Wrong Baker.
 
2012-09-02 10:21:32 AM
I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.

Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)
 
2012-09-02 10:27:17 AM

Type40: A literal re-visitng of a classic story in the stye of DS9 "trouble with tribbles". The companion runs away from some monster, takes shelter in the TARDIS and we see the classic console room and Jon Pertwee at the controls. My origional idea was for it to bee Dinosaurs in London with all the effects updated (Thought of this before the promos for next weeks episodes) I would also have included young and old Sarah Janes, pitty that's impossible now.



The first part is played with in "Last Night", although it's just a younger version of the same Doctor, not an earlier Doctor.

As for your second point, yes, actually, we're getting toward the right time to see Sarah Jane at that age, The gal who played her adolescent self in "Whatever Happened to Sarah Jane?", Jessica Ashworth, is almost the same age now as Elisabeth Sladen was in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs", and looks similar enough -- particularly with a little prosthetic makeup to sharpen her chin, her hair done right, and having her affect a more Northern accent. Her cheeks and eyes are pretty close as they are.
 
2012-09-02 10:32:55 AM

Mike Chewbacca: I didn't like the episode.

Rory and Amy are divorced, which is completely contrived and intended to shock us. It's also totally unbelievable.
Amy left because she wanted Rory to have kids. Have you ever heard of adoption? Stupid, stupid contrived reason to end a relationship yet still allows...
Rory and Amy declare their eternal love for each other at the end and get back together. CONTRIVED!

Also, as soon as the Doctor said, "You're cold" I knew the chick was a Dalek, or something like that. My mind instantly flashed to Bathilda Bagshot in Harry Potter, and I just knew.
Also foresaw the zombie Daleks.
Also totally figured out Oswin was a Dalek (at least like the black guy was, Dalek-ish, I suppose) as soon as black dude outed himself. It was so obvious.

The only cool part was the bit at the end where the Daleks forget who the Doctor is. I saw it coming when she made the other Daleks forget him, but I love the implication so much that I'm willing to look beyond its obviousness.


Do you want a medal?
 
2012-09-02 10:40:36 AM
I enjoyed the episode. Not as hokey as the others. They had the special weapons Dalek, and references to the original DW(the planets namedropped) so it's all good.
 
2012-09-02 10:42:20 AM

t3knomanser: whizbangthedirtfarmer: JNT didn't take over as executive producer until a few years into Baker's run

Wrong Baker.


Yes, I was discussing Colin Baker, as I was responding to the previous poster's comments.

Oh do keep up. 6th Doc >
 
2012-09-02 10:48:16 AM

demonfaerie:
That reminds me, what will make sense 10 episodes from now? Obviously the new companion becomes human. How? She asks him to remember her.

Maybe she nanoed him up with her thoughts or something without him realizing it? She is a human genius, and a Dalek at the same time.


That's my guess. Either she escaped the planet destruction and uses/reprograms the nono tech to turn herself back human or she reprogrammed the nanobots to infect the Doctor (he had taken off the watch) to make him somehow recreate her. If Plan A then she could meet the doctor and since he would not recognise her (because he never saw her) or recognise her voice (because her projected/imagined voice will always be different to her real voice the same way we all think our voice sounds strange on a tape recording) she will become a companion without the Doctor knowing who she is, and that's why she changed her name. She doesn't want the Doctor to know she is a Dalek (see how at the end when he said "You're a Dalek" he said it with hate, not pity. She knows he would never trust her or accept her if he knew she was a dalek, hence the name change.) We will have a companion who has a big secret hidden from the Doctor.
 
2012-09-02 10:49:16 AM

Swordfighting_monk: I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.
Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)


Possible. Quote from Gillan in an article in yesterday's The Mail: "I couldn't have wished for a better way to go. People assume my character is going to die. But that's not necessarily the case. It might not be that clear-cut."
 
2012-09-02 10:49:48 AM

Fast Moon:
-- "Moffat Female, Type II": There are two female character templates that Steven Moffat knows how to write: The one who follows the male lead around like a puppy and wants into his pants, like Amy Pond or Molly Hooper, and the one who is "strong and independent" and manages to outwit the male lead for a while, but is ultimately bested by the him and wants into his pants, like River Song and Irene Adler, and now apparently Oswin. Either way, he's just so damn virile that every woman who sees him wants him.


Never seen Coupling then?
 
2012-09-02 10:59:08 AM

Fast Moon: Characters rarely get the chance to display or build their relationships onscreen, anything that happens between them is waved off as happening offscreen,


BBCA didn't show us this:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01mmqtt/Doctor_Who_Pond_Life/

Leads into the news season......

Love the reaction to Mata Hari
 
2012-09-02 11:02:44 AM

Swordfighting_monk: I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.

Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)


That could be interesting and tragic. It would also be exactly the same as Fred dying and becoming Ilyria in Angel.
 
2012-09-02 11:04:12 AM
"Dont push that Dalek Rory your touch is full of temporal particles....
that activate hybernating.."

(dusty bits of Dalek brain blob fall out of vents)

"No, wait, that one's definitly dead. "

/synopsis of the synapses

Now the Daleks will have to look the Doctor up on the internet to decide what beautiful way they hate him.


"Doc-tor. Your history is full of cheap sets, mysterious Die-reck-tors. Ex-trapolate! We will find the Rose and frighten all of your storytelling horses."
 
2012-09-02 11:06:04 AM

arasmin: BBCA didn't show us this:


True, but even there, they didn't really show us the ripples in the Pond house. The last minute gives us a, "Hey, look, trouble in paradise!" It's equally out of nowhere.

I have to say that the Amy/Rory drama felt like a filler, B-plot. That includes the whole nano-cloud.
 
2012-09-02 11:07:27 AM
A couple of posters on earlier pages complained about how Amy & Rory's breakup was just stuck in there with no lead up and no drama behind it. That's not an entirely unfair criticism. They seem fine together in April-July, then suddenly the pair are angry when he leaves in August, but with no dialogue, then they run through it summarily with a minute of exposition on the transporter pad.

Perhaps we will get to see it played out in flashback. "The Power of Three" which airs twenty days from now and is the couple's penultimate episode before their story ends in "Angels in Manhattan" the following week, has this for a synopsis: "The episode takes place over the course of 1 year." It is told through the Ponds' perspective of having a Mad Man with a Box turn up on your doorstep all the time and how that affects you."

It remains to be seen whether that year is (from Amy & Rory's perspective) after "A Town Called Mercy" or if it overlaps Pond Life via flashback.
 
2012-09-02 11:11:28 AM

t3knomanser: arasmin: BBCA didn't show us this:

True, but even there, they didn't really show us the ripples in the Pond house. The last minute gives us a, "Hey, look, trouble in paradise!" It's equally out of nowhere.

I have to say that the Amy/Rory drama felt like a filler, B-plot. That includes the whole nano-cloud.


True. The nano-cloud is somewhat contrived. But it wuld be kind of amusing to see an eye-stalk on Smith.

But you got to admit the lunch box for Rory was funny.

And I still want to know what happened to the Ood.
 
2012-09-02 11:18:03 AM

arasmin: And I still want to know what happened to the Ood.


The Doctor picked him up between episodes 4 and 5 when Amy & Rory were out; he mentions this in the deleted phone message. I do hope he at least left them a note so they weren't panicked, thinking that they had an Ood wandering about their neighbourhood, whom they had to try to catch before their neighbours or the police found him. The Doctor took the Ood to wherever it was where he had been taking him before.
 
2012-09-02 11:20:07 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Swordfighting_monk: I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.
Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)

Possible. Quote from Gillan in an article in yesterday's The Mail: "I couldn't have wished for a better way to go. People assume my character is going to die. But that's not necessarily the case. It might not be that clear-cut."


I think it was all foreshadowed. The nanos don't turn Amy into Oswin. The nanos enable Amy into conceive a child, which probably undergoes rapid development into a new, fully-grown Oswin.
 
2012-09-02 11:22:47 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Some reviewer said that there was an oft-repeated Tennant quote in Asylum, but I can't remember what it was...did anyone catch it?

/Alonsee?


"Oswin, I am so sorry, but you are a dalek." It definitely did remind me of Tennant, I wondered if it was intentional.

HopScotchNSoda: Swordfighting_monk: I personally think that Oswin 'hacked' Amy Pond, with the nanos. Eventually, those nanos are going to rewrite Amy mentally and physically, till Oswin is reborn, with all of her memories, and personality carried over.
Would kind of....mirror the Doctor's regeneration in many ways. Amy wouldn't be entirely 'gone' as evidenced by the 'survivor' Dalek drone's memories whom the gang first met beaming down to the planet. So you would have a sort of...blend? of Amy's strong will and toughness, with Oswin's apparent genius and cuteness;)

Possible. Quote from Gillan in an article in yesterday's The Mail: "I couldn't have wished for a better way to go. People assume my character is going to die. But that's not necessarily the case. It might not be that clear-cut."


I had assumed that they get Angeled back in time, but this explanation really could work. Though I don't know how the Doctor would react to her taking over his best friend... I don't think that he would take that very well. If he just accepted it and bonded with her, I don't know that it would be very believable.

Flint Ironstag: ... She doesn't want the Doctor to know she is a Dalek (see how at the end when he said "You're a Dalek" he said it with hate, not pity. She knows he would never trust her or accept her if he knew she was a dalek, hence the name change.) We will have a companion who has a big secret hidden from the Doctor.


He did have pity in his voice when he said that he was sorry, but the anger at the daleks was certainly there. I'm not sure that the anger was directed at her, or the fact that she had been fully converted for her genius. And I genuinely think that she wasn't trying to hide the fact that she was a dalek from them, but had herself fooled as well, judging from her reaction to the revelation.
 
2012-09-02 11:30:09 AM

FirstNationalBastard: They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.


I assumed they were just the updated version of the old Robo-men.
 
2012-09-02 11:38:22 AM

arasmin: And I still want to know what happened to the Ood.


They're out there, somewhere, being Ood.

/they're the best thing RTD contributed to the series.
//Them and the baby fat monsters.
 
2012-09-02 11:38:22 AM

sinanju:

Possible. Quote from Gillan in an article in yesterday's The Mail: "I couldn't have wished for a better way to go. People assume my character is going to die. But that's not necessarily the case. It might not be that clear-cut."

I think it was all foreshadowed. The nanos don't turn Amy into Oswin. The nanos enable Amy into conceive a child, which probably undergoes rapid development into a new, fully-grown Oswin.


That sounds very plausible and cool. Her look to the camera at the end saying "remember me" certainly suggested she had done something to ensure she would survive in one way or another. It could also explain the name change. But how does that explain what happens to Amy? Dies in childbirth?
 
2012-09-02 11:38:48 AM
Just now, thinking about Amy & Rory's swan song will be in Manhattan, and will feature River, where she had regenerated from their little girl into their best mate, something dawned on me: Melody went black and did go back.
 
2012-09-02 11:39:14 AM

Public Call Box: t3knomanser: whizbangthedirtfarmer: JNT didn't take over as executive producer until a few years into Baker's run

Wrong Baker.

Yes, I was discussing Colin Baker, as I was responding to the previous poster's comments.

Oh do keep up. 6th Doc >


Oh, I had seen him referred as Baker 2 earlier on. When I saw just Baker, I thought WTF? My mistake. But yes, Colin Baker was absolutely screwed. Stupid costume, horrible casting, ridiculous plots (with the exception of a few) really screwed Colin Baker over. That, and his kid dying of SIDS right before his run, I think, just kind of knocked him off balance before he could even get started.
 
2012-09-02 11:40:35 AM

Luthien's Tempest:

He did have pity in his voice when he said that he was sorry, but the anger at the daleks was certainly there. I'm not sure that the anger was directed at her, or the fact that she had been fully converted for her genius. And I genuinely think that she wasn't trying to hide the fact that she was a dalek from them, but had herself fooled as well, judging from her reaction to the revelation.


I meant that she would try to hide that if and when she met the Doctor again in the future. She would have thought "If I tell him who I am he'll know I'm a Dalek and he'll hate me/never trust me, so I'll change my name and he'll never know."
 
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