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(Guardian)   Will Rory get killed again? Are the Daleks going to be the classic versions, or of the My Little Dalek: Extermination is Magic design? And just Who is The Doctor? Season 7 of Doctor Who begins with Asylum of the Daleks   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 457
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2012-09-01 11:20:36 PM

Lost Thought 00: Fun episode. Interested to see where this all goes. More interested in seeing how they dispatch Amy and perform the transition, though I'm guessing we won't see that until the second bank of episodes, which stinks. Episode will probably be more interesting to rewatch after another season or two goes by, much like the Library episode is more interesting now.


As I understand it, Amy and Rory leave at the end of this first batch, and River will appear in that episode. Then Oswin's cousin or sister or clone or whatever she's supposed to be will start her companionship in the Christmas episode with Madame Vastra, Jenny, Vastra's new butler Strax -- and that will be a two-parter, and those guests will continue on to the episode thereafter.

From the trailer, it looks like next week's episode will feature that fellow against whom the Doctor played death-chess in "The Wedding of River Song".
 
2012-09-01 11:20:40 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Okay, look at the skeletons from the escape pod on the planet. They had the stalks and little shooty thing, but do you think that they would put a Dalek into a failing, nearly dead body?

They (and Drones like the redhead that brought the Doctor to Skaro) are most likely controlled by the hive mind that now exists.


Sure, they'd do it. It works as camouflage. I'd image the nanobots just hollow out the corpses enough to get a Dalek inside. The corpses weren't just skeletons. They still had a lot of meat on them.
 
2012-09-01 11:21:03 PM

Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...


Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.
 
2012-09-01 11:23:58 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Lost Thought 00: Fun episode. Interested to see where this all goes. More interested in seeing how they dispatch Amy and perform the transition, though I'm guessing we won't see that until the second bank of episodes, which stinks. Episode will probably be more interesting to rewatch after another season or two goes by, much like the Library episode is more interesting now.

As I understand it, Amy and Rory leave at the end of this first batch, and River will appear in that episode. Then Oswin's cousin or sister or clone or whatever she's supposed to be will start her companionship in the Christmas episode with Madame Vastra, Jenny, Vastra's new butler Strax -- and that will be a two-parter, and those guests will continue on to the episode thereafter.

From the trailer, it looks like next week's episode will feature that fellow against whom the Doctor played death-chess in "The Wedding of River Song".


Yeah, but that guy died; so this maybe is an eariler version of him?
 
2012-09-01 11:24:15 PM
They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her
 
2012-09-01 11:24:55 PM

HopScotchNSoda: and that will be a two-parter, and those guests will continue on to the episode thereafter.


Sorry, that was clumsy editing. I changed my wording but didn't delete the old. I did not mean to say that our favourite upper class Victorian household would have a three-episode arc, just two.
 
2012-09-01 11:28:20 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...

Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.


Yeah but that whole thing seems fishy. A young girl on her first trip into outerspace can hack into the entire Dalek network? Which is something the Doctor said he couldn't even do. It just seems like she isn't what she says she is...beyond the whole turned into a dalek thing.
 
2012-09-01 11:30:22 PM

Tellingthem: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...

Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.

Yeah but that whole thing seems fishy. A young girl on her first trip into outerspace can hack into the entire Dalek network? Which is something the Doctor said he couldn't even do. It just seems like she isn't what she says she is...beyond the whole turned into a dalek thing.


Could be that she was just a genius overall (no extra parts at this point). You could explain that the reason she could do all those crazy things was that the Daleks actually were stupid enough to tap her right into the hivemind.
 
2012-09-01 11:32:05 PM

Rwa2play: From the trailer, it looks like next week's episode will feature that fellow against whom the Doctor played death-chess in "The Wedding of River Song".

Yeah, but that guy died; so this maybe is an eariler version of him?


No, no, no more damn earlier versions. It's lost its novelty and is now just tired schtick, Maybe it's his brother, or his people all look alike like Sontaran clones.
 
2012-09-01 11:34:58 PM

TheManofPA: Tellingthem: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...

Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.

Yeah but that whole thing seems fishy. A young girl on her first trip into outerspace can hack into the entire Dalek network? Which is something the Doctor said he couldn't even do. It just seems like she isn't what she says she is...beyond the whole turned into a dalek thing.

Could be that she was just a genius overall (no extra parts at this point). You could explain that the reason she could do all those crazy things was that the Daleks actually were stupid enough to tap her right into the hivemind.


Possible...also that she figured it out after toying with it for the year she was there. (she claims...could have been longer). I just watched it again and there is just something about the whole thing that just seemed off. Ahh maybe i'm just looking for things now....
 
2012-09-01 11:35:58 PM
*bursts in to thread*

youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com

NEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

*dashes out*
 
2012-09-01 11:38:28 PM

Lost Thought 00: They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her


I'm guessing with her wearing that arm band, the nano-conversion was halted. Since there are no more Dalek episodes for the remainder of the season between now and the departure of the Ponds and no other mention of the conversion, I think that threat might be done for. Also remember, Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs, so keeping the Dalek nano-virus inside Amy would go against the idea of episodic series.
 
2012-09-01 11:41:05 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...

Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.


Yeah, you're right that she said that got stuck in a ship wreck on her first trip out to see the stars, and then tells the Doctor to rescue her. Of course, she could mean a different ship wreck and just be incredibly unlucky and not someone you would want to be anywhere near on any vehicle traveling the stars at all, but that does not seem like a good explanation, given the wording. Could be the loophole used, though, if Moffat does use the character in that way, such that past her goes traveling with the Doctor, and this is the end for the companion. But I would hope that he wouldn't use that plot line again so soon.

I just don't see them using this actress in this spot and it not having any significance. Why not just get another actress? The question really is what the significance might be as well as where they are going with all of this remembering things. I really don't think that they can do this with the nod and a wink like with either Gwen from Torchwood being the same as Gwyneth, or Martha, mostly because the Doctor didn't see her at all, so it seems less likely that he would catch on quickly to a similarity merely in voice and some mannerisms/personality to then dismiss it as genetic quirks.
 
2012-09-01 11:41:41 PM

Tellingthem: Yeah but that whole thing seems fishy. A young girl on her first trip into outerspace can hack into the entire Dalek network? Which is something the Doctor said he couldn't even do. It just seems like she isn't what she says she is...beyond the whole turned into a dalek thing.


She was a genius, and had a full year.

Plus, it was probably a lot easier to hack into the damaged Daleks than regular ones.
 
2012-09-01 11:44:10 PM

Great Janitor: Lost Thought 00: They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her

I'm guessing with her wearing that arm band, the nano-conversion was halted. Since there are no more Dalek episodes for the remainder of the season between now and the departure of the Ponds and no other mention of the conversion, I think that threat might be done for. Also remember, Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs, so keeping the Dalek nano-virus inside Amy would go against the idea of episodic series.


Rule 1?
 
2012-09-01 11:45:33 PM

Tellingthem: Possible...also that she figured it out after toying with it for the year she was there. (she claims...could have been longer). I just watched it again and there is just something about the whole thing that just seemed off. Ahh maybe i'm just looking for things now....


It's Doctor Who. I'm not certain you can over analyze things since ANYTHING can be important. It wan't until six months ago that I noticed that when the giant-spider-Christmas-star was shot, you hear a voice that says, "Orders from Mr Saxon: fire at will!" (The Runaway Bride) In this episode, they show a music box with a ballerina in Oswin's room and later Amy sees all those mystery people and one of them is a ballerina.

/Also, thanks!
 
2012-09-01 11:46:13 PM

Tellingthem: TheManofPA: Tellingthem: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Tellingthem: FirstNationalBastard: Gunny Walker: TheManofPA: 3) Daleks on the planet convert humans

There was the red headed human shaped Dalek on the planet and ship that captured the Doctor. And there were more on the ship that shoved them into the beam. So, it's not just restricted to the the planet.

They're not really Daleks though, are they?

They seemed to be just basic probes or droids, not full fledged Daleks.

Exactly. That is why they supposedly turned her into a Dalek instead of just another "droid" because of her brain. I also get the feeling that she was their true target all along. She was the only one we saw locked in her own room. And if she could hack into the network and change the Daleks memories at will then she is their most dangerous enemy...

Yep.

I kinda saw that she was a Dalek early on, and the Rory/Amy "I didn't leave you" dialogue was a bit too much (I hate it when characters explain something that as characters they damn well know, obviously for the viewer, blah blah). But on the whole it kicked ass. Very happy.

I figured "remember me" was foreshadowing... but IIRC she said at one point that that trip was her first chance to "see the world"? I don't know all the rules and whatnot as much as long time fans, but if the Doctor ran into her before that and picked her up wouldn't that oh I don't know whatever.

Yeah but that whole thing seems fishy. A young girl on her first trip into outerspace can hack into the entire Dalek network? Which is something the Doctor said he couldn't even do. It just seems like she isn't what she says she is...beyond the whole turned into a dalek thing.

Could be that she was just a genius overall (no extra parts at this point). You could explain that the reason she could do all those crazy things was that the Daleks actually were stupid enough to tap her right into the hivemind.

Possible...also that she figured it out after toying with it for the year sh ...


I've seen the episode twice. First time, as soon as the Doctor asked about the milk I knew this was a one episode character. I was hoping for the Star Trek answer of a replicator (come on, there was the teleporter and the Doctor mentioned beaming himself to the Dalek ship and planet Vulcan, so expecting a replicator wasn't too much to expect). That question never getting answered was the red flag. Though I was asking early on why she wasn't converted even when her ship mates were.

Second time around I noticed more, especially since I was looking for clues. The map is a give away. When she sends the Doctor the map of how to find her and you see it, she appears on the screen as a Dalek. Also, the map is of asylum corridors and not a crashed space ship. The ease at which she hacks the Dalek systems has to be the biggest clue.
 
2012-09-01 11:46:18 PM
*rubs forehead* I remember when this series used to be enjoyable. Now the only enjoyment I get out of it is sitting with my friends and making fun of it and pointing out how terribly it's written.

-- "Tell, don't show": Much like River's relationship with the Doctor, and Amy's feelings for Rory, now we have the Pond relationship drama that is explained away with "stuff happened while you were gone". Characters rarely get the chance to display or build their relationships onscreen, anything that happens between them is waved off as happening offscreen, because character-building has become so goddamn unimportant in this series.

-- "Where did you get the milk?": This planet is protected by A SHIELD. Nothing can get in or out of it, because it has A SHIELD. By the way, a ship crash-landed on the surface of the planet a year ago. Did we mention this planet has A SHIELD?

-- "Asylum of the Daleks": Where all the Daleks act just like normal Daleks, but don't really work as well and talk funny. This could have been an awesome opportunity to see some mentally-deranged Daleks akin to Dalek Caan, but there was nothing really notable about the denizens of this planet.

-- "I can't have babies, so I kicked you out": Amy Pond is a biatch.

-- "Moffat Female, Type II": There are two female character templates that Steven Moffat knows how to write: The one who follows the male lead around like a puppy and wants into his pants, like Amy Pond or Molly Hooper, and the one who is "strong and independent" and manages to outwit the male lead for a while, but is ultimately bested by the him and wants into his pants, like River Song and Irene Adler, and now apparently Oswin. Either way, he's just so damn virile that every woman who sees him wants him.

-- "The Doctor needs companions": Have Amy and Rory EVER done anything remotely useful to the plot? Seems like all they do is get caught in a situation and run around being scared by it to kill time until the Doctor solves it for them. The reason the Daleks gave for kidnapping them was insanely weak and their entire presence in this episode felt shoehorned in. It's just, "Well, Amy and Rory are the companions and they need to be there, but the Doctor's so amazingly awesome and competent on his own, hell if I can think of anything for them to do."

-- "Squirrel!": This, and most Moffat episodes as of late, feels like it was written by someone with ADD, but that might just be BBCA's editing. I'll have to check the BBC1 version tomorrow. What was even the POINT of giving the Ponds relationship troubles if that trouble never really played into any part of the episode, all of the troubles happened offscreen, and it was all fixed in a 30-second conversation? This is like River Song being Mels, it's just "Ooh, look at this shiny plot thing" that serves absolutely no purpose.

All in all, 2/10. The twist about Oswin at the end was clever and kind of cool, but wasn't nearly enough to save it from everything else.
 
2012-09-01 11:47:01 PM

Coelacanth: Morons on Tumblr have already given away details about the Doctor's new companion...sheesh.


OMG, people are talking about stuff that already happened on the internet! The nerve!
 
2012-09-01 11:49:00 PM

Lost Thought 00: They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her


I found it odd that they spent so much time focusing on her being turned into a dalek droid, and then, poof, they escaped and she is back home again, no problem at all, no mention of any fix. Perhaps just not enough time to even deus ex that away, so it got cut? Or they just forgot to wrap that plot line up? Neither explanation would be all that surprising.

Marine1: *bursts in to thread*

[youoffendmeyouoffendmyfamily.com image 400x353]

NEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRDDDDDDDDDDDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

*dashes out*


Yes, and? :D
 
2012-09-01 11:55:07 PM

Fast Moon: *rubs forehead* I remember when this series used to be enjoyable. Now the only enjoyment I get out of it is sitting with my friends and making fun of it and pointing out how terribly it's written.


While I don't necessarily agree with you, I do think it's time for BBC to start preparing or looking for someone new for the Doctor Who showrunner role (and a new Doctor).

Give Moffat through the 50th anniversary season, then bundle both him and Smith off to the old Doctor's home.

/Doctor Who needs a shake-up every 4 seasons or so to stay fresh. Remember what happened last time a show runner/producer stayed on board too long.
 
2012-09-01 11:57:26 PM

Great Janitor: Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs


Good. He had swung too far in the other direction last year. Name-dropping is one thing (e,g., the casual mentions in 2005 of "Torchwood" and "Bad Wolf" as 'background noise' before they became important); but last year was all about who the astronaut was, how the Doctor was going to get out of this death we'd already seen, what the deal was with Schrödinger's foetus, and if River marries the Doctor. It was almost like 1986's series-long serial, Trial of a Time Lord.

For all of the criticisms I can make about Russell T. Davies' episode writing, he was outstanding with so many of the the big-picture aspects, and I think he struck the more-or-less perfect balance with regard to story arcing during his tenure, particularly his first three years. Why he so completely cocked up Torchwood last year, I have no idea.
 
2012-09-02 12:00:40 AM

HopScotchNSoda:

For all of the criticisms I can make about Russell T. Davies' episode writing, he was outstanding with so many of the the big-picture aspects, and I think he struck the more-or-less perfect balance with regard to story arcing during his tenure, particularly his first three years. Why he so completely cocked up Torchwood last year, I have no idea.


I blame America.

Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.

/or Life on Mars US. Or The Office after season 3. Or NBC's Coupling.
 
2012-09-02 12:03:12 AM

Luthien's Tempest: I found it odd that they spent so much time focusing on her being turned into a dalek droid, and then, poof, they escaped and she is back home again, no problem at all, no mention of any fix. Perhaps just not enough time to even deus ex that away, so it got cut? Or they just forgot to wrap that plot line up? Neither explanation would be all that surprising.


The TARDIS heals status effects as soon as you walk into it. Dalek nanobot infestation being a status effect, all you have to do is walk Amy and Rory into the TARDIS and that's that.
 
2012-09-02 12:04:35 AM
I really didn't like this episode and that makes me sad. I can't even pinpoint what bugged me most.

/Boo hoo.
 
2012-09-02 12:04:38 AM

Gunny Walker: Tellingthem: Possible...also that she figured it out after toying with it for the year she was there. (she claims...could have been longer). I just watched it again and there is just something about the whole thing that just seemed off. Ahh maybe i'm just looking for things now....

It's Doctor Who. I'm not certain you can over analyze things since ANYTHING can be important. It wan't until six months ago that I noticed that when the giant-spider-Christmas-star was shot, you hear a voice that says, "Orders from Mr Saxon: fire at will!" (The Runaway Bride) In this episode, they show a music box with a ballerina in Oswin's room and later Amy sees all those mystery people and one of them is a ballerina.

/Also, thanks!


Yeah...that is one of things i like about this show. How many little things that they bury into episodes that make sense later. Ahh good stuff!

\you are welcome
 
2012-09-02 12:04:43 AM

HopScotchNSoda: For all of the criticisms I can make about Russell T. Davies' episode writing, he was outstanding with so many of the the big-picture aspects, and I think he struck the more-or-less perfect balance with regard to story arcing during his tenure, particularly his first three years. Why he so completely cocked up Torchwood last year, I have no idea.


I'm going to go with Starz wanting to Americanize it. Has Starz done anything right?
 
2012-09-02 12:06:41 AM

dennysgod: I will add that Matt is starting to look kinda old which is scary since he's only 30, I hope that's just the BBC makeup departments doing.


When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not...
 
2012-09-02 12:08:22 AM
Finally got the chance to watch the new episode, pretty decent over all.

Like someone else mentioned, I'm wondering what kind of effect the nanobots will have on Amy and how that will play out.

Agree with T3knomanser, the "Doctor, Who?" bit was a bit much.

The chick who's going to become the new companion is quite the hottie, much more so than Amy IMO.

So here's my question. If Oswin deleted everything on the Doctor from the Dalek hive mind, wouldn't they have wondered what they were doing outside of the Asylum? I mean, the whole reason they were there was because of the plan they cooked up to use the Doctor to take out the shield. No Doctor, no plan.

Wouldn't they be sitting there wondering WTF this blue box in their ship was?
 
2012-09-02 12:08:47 AM

FirstNationalBastard: HopScotchNSoda:

For all of the criticisms I can make about Russell T. Davies' episode writing, he was outstanding with so many of the the big-picture aspects, and I think he struck the more-or-less perfect balance with regard to story arcing during his tenure, particularly his first three years. Why he so completely cocked up Torchwood last year, I have no idea.

I blame America.

Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.

/or Life on Mars US. Or The Office after season 3. Or NBC's Coupling.


Or the craptastic that will come with CBS' "Elementary." Lord almighty, they should've put this title instead: "The crappier Hollywood version of BBC's 'Sherlock'".
 
2012-09-02 12:10:12 AM

A_Listless_Wanderer: dennysgod: I will add that Matt is starting to look kinda old which is scary since he's only 30, I hope that's just the BBC makeup departments doing.

When 900 1103 years old you reach, look as good you will not...


FTFY
 
2012-09-02 12:10:35 AM

Great Janitor: Lost Thought 00: They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her

I'm guessing with her wearing that arm band, the nano-conversion was halted. Since there are no more Dalek episodes for the remainder of the season between now and the departure of the Ponds and no other mention of the conversion, I think that threat might be done for. Also remember, Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs, so keeping the Dalek nano-virus inside Amy would go against the idea of episodic series.


I liked the story arcs dammit! That's what got me hooked on this series after half watching so many others while the SO stole the Netflix. Bah.
 
2012-09-02 12:11:10 AM

A_Listless_Wanderer: dennysgod: I will add that Matt is starting to look kinda old which is scary since he's only 30, I hope that's just the BBC makeup departments doing.

When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not...


I just read that in Yoda's voice...aaaaaaaaaaaaand I hate you now.
 
2012-09-02 12:12:07 AM

TheManofPA: Great Janitor: Lost Thought 00: They never did properly resolve the Amy/nanobots storyline, so I'm fully expecting her to pop an eyestalk at some convenient time about 4 episodes from now. Maybe she keeps her mind and saves the day, maybe the Doctor or River has to kill her

I'm guessing with her wearing that arm band, the nano-conversion was halted. Since there are no more Dalek episodes for the remainder of the season between now and the departure of the Ponds and no other mention of the conversion, I think that threat might be done for. Also remember, Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs, so keeping the Dalek nano-virus inside Amy would go against the idea of episodic series.

Rule 1?


Oh snap.
 
2012-09-02 12:14:52 AM

Great Janitor: Also remember, Moffit wants this series to be more episodic with no long lasting story arcs, so keeping the Dalek nano-virus inside Amy would go against the idea of episodic series.


As with anything, story arcs are only as good as the person/people who write it. Personally, I didn't have a problem with last season's arc because it didn't stick out too much. Then again, RTD did have that quality of being quite subtle about a long-running story (i.e. "Bad Wolf").
 
2012-09-02 12:15:06 AM
One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?
 
2012-09-02 12:16:23 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.


I presume you are referring to the "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend..." The problem with it was where it was put. People would not have been enraged by it had it come before the cold open -- like those of Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dragnet, Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: CI, 1970s Battlestar Galactica, and the non-spoken, written one of modern Battlestar Galactica. The Amy speech screwed up the whole pacing. The cold open ends on an exciting or suspenseful moment, and instead of going straight into the rousing, exciting opening credit sequence & music, everything is interrupted by a quiet piano and a woman gently talking about her childhood. A few shows, like Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Life on Mars, and Ashes to Ashes worked the narration into the start of the title sequence, but their cold opens were written for that and the theme music started under the narration.
 
2012-09-02 12:18:16 AM

HopScotchNSoda: FirstNationalBastard: Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.

I presume you are referring to the "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend..." The problem with it was where it was put. People would not have been enraged by it had it come before the cold open -- like those of Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dragnet, Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: CI, 1970s Battlestar Galactica, and the non-spoken, written one of modern Battlestar Galactica. The Amy speech screwed up the whole pacing. The cold open ends on an exciting or suspenseful moment, and instead of going straight into the rousing, exciting opening credit sequence & music, everything is interrupted by a quiet piano and a woman gently talking about her childhood. A few shows, like Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Life on Mars, and Ashes to Ashes worked the narration into the start of the title sequence, but their cold opens were written for that and the theme music started under the narration.


Yeah this; "Closing Time" sort of killed that. How are you going to have that narrative when she's not even involved in the episode?
 
2012-09-02 12:18:23 AM

sirbissel: One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?


Not necessarily. Remember the transmission the normal Daleks were hearing, the song? I'm going to rationalize the whole thing as the human voice being a radio transmission, then when he met her he heard her real voice. Still doesn't entirely work, I know since the Daleks usually have their robo voice in radio transmission, but it's the only thing I can think of.
 
2012-09-02 12:20:53 AM

HopScotchNSoda: FirstNationalBastard: Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.

I presume you are referring to the "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend..." The problem with it was where it was put. People would not have been enraged by it had it come before the cold open -- like those of Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dragnet, Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: CI, 1970s Battlestar Galactica, and the non-spoken, written one of modern Battlestar Galactica. The Amy speech screwed up the whole pacing. The cold open ends on an exciting or suspenseful moment, and instead of going straight into the rousing, exciting opening credit sequence & music, everything is interrupted by a quiet piano and a woman gently talking about her childhood. A few shows, like Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Life on Mars, and Ashes to Ashes worked the narration into the start of the title sequence, but their cold opens were written for that and the theme music started under the narration.


I dunno, both Torchwood and Sarah Jane annoyed me with the "This is the plot of the TV series you're watching!" openings. I think it didn't help, with Doctor Who, that it wasn't on the British version.
 
2012-09-02 12:21:22 AM

sirbissel: One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?


Because using the Dalek voice would have spoiled the suprise for the viewer?
or
Because she disguised it to further fool herself into believing she was human?
 
2012-09-02 12:22:37 AM

Flint Ironstag: The reveal reminded me of Source Code. But the whole milk thing bugged me. They have replicators in the Whoverse, so why wonder where she got milk from?


Probably ran out of cow's milk ages ago and were working on the emergency supply of dog's milk.

/nothing wrong with dog's milk, full of vitamins and marrowbone jelly
 
2012-09-02 12:22:59 AM

sirbissel: HopScotchNSoda: FirstNationalBastard: Look at the opening that has (hopefully) disappeared down the Benoit Hole, or the 1996 Doctor Who movie to see just how America farks things up.

I presume you are referring to the "When I was a little girl, I had an imaginary friend..." The problem with it was where it was put. People would not have been enraged by it had it come before the cold open -- like those of Torchwood, The Sarah Jane Adventures, Dragnet, Law & Order, Law & Order: SVU, Law & Order: CI, 1970s Battlestar Galactica, and the non-spoken, written one of modern Battlestar Galactica. The Amy speech screwed up the whole pacing. The cold open ends on an exciting or suspenseful moment, and instead of going straight into the rousing, exciting opening credit sequence & music, everything is interrupted by a quiet piano and a woman gently talking about her childhood. A few shows, like Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Life on Mars, and Ashes to Ashes worked the narration into the start of the title sequence, but their cold opens were written for that and the theme music started under the narration.

I dunno, both Torchwood and Sarah Jane annoyed me with the "This is the plot of the TV series you're watching!" openings. I think it didn't help, with Doctor Who, that it wasn't on the British version.


*sigh* Has it really been at least a year or so since Elizabeth Sladen died? Crap.

/how cruel is that
//farking cruel
//I so farking hate Cancer
 
2012-09-02 12:23:22 AM

rickycal78: sirbissel: One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?

Not necessarily. Remember the transmission the normal Daleks were hearing, the song? I'm going to rationalize the whole thing as the human voice being a radio transmission, then when he met her he heard her real voice. Still doesn't entirely work, I know since the Daleks usually have their robo voice in radio transmission, but it's the only thing I can think of.


I'll have to rewatch, but don't you hear the Dalek and Doctor's conversation from inside the white room (not just inside the Dalek's head). I can't honestly remember what the voice sounds like in those scenes.
 
2012-09-02 12:24:28 AM

Vaneshi: BronyMedic: Rules of the New Doctor Who:
1) The Doctor Lies

The Doctor always lies. That's the thing, it's been true since the Bakers and it's true now... it's just far more obvious (to the viewer at least) that he is in fact lying.


Heck, even the first doctor lied his arse of all the time from the first episode onwards.
 
2012-09-02 12:25:30 AM

rickycal78: sirbissel: One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?

Not necessarily. Remember the transmission the normal Daleks were hearing, the song? I'm going to rationalize the whole thing as the human voice being a radio transmission, then when he met her he heard her real voice. Still doesn't entirely work, I know since the Daleks usually have their robo voice in radio transmission, but it's the only thing I can think of.


I thought the the dalek "voice" came more from the speaker on the mechanical shell versus the actual body inside. Also since she was human it would make sense that her natural voice would be picked up for radio broadcast versus hearing it sent through a speaker...I would also guess though they just overlooked a few things like this to help further the story and the twist ending.
 
2012-09-02 12:25:47 AM

Gunny Walker: A_Listless_Wanderer: dennysgod: I will add that Matt is starting to look kinda old which is scary since he's only 30, I hope that's just the BBC makeup departments doing.
When 900 1103 years old you reach, look as good you will not...FTFY


Meh, his father-in-law is nearly twice that old. So is Jack, on whom age definitely is starting to make a significant impact.


TheManofPA: I'm going to go with Starz wanting to Americanize it. Has Starz done anything right?


I've heard nothing but good things about Boss, but have not seen it myself.
 
2012-09-02 12:26:07 AM

limeyfellow: Vaneshi: BronyMedic: Rules of the New Doctor Who:
1) The Doctor Lies

The Doctor always lies. That's the thing, it's been true since the Bakers and it's true now... it's just far more obvious (to the viewer at least) that he is in fact lying.

Heck, even the first doctor lied his arse of all the time from the first episode onwards.


The first Doctor abducted two schoolteachers for no good reason.

He's always been a bit of a prick.

/they did get eternal youth out of the deal, though.
 
2012-09-02 12:27:36 AM

TheManofPA: rickycal78: sirbissel: One thing I didn't quite get-- the Doctor heard whats-her-face's voice. But if she was a Dalek, then wouldn't the voice have been all in her mind and the Doctor would have heard a Dalek's voice?

Not necessarily. Remember the transmission the normal Daleks were hearing, the song? I'm going to rationalize the whole thing as the human voice being a radio transmission, then when he met her he heard her real voice. Still doesn't entirely work, I know since the Daleks usually have their robo voice in radio transmission, but it's the only thing I can think of.

I'll have to rewatch, but don't you hear the Dalek and Doctor's conversation from inside the white room (not just inside the Dalek's head). I can't honestly remember what the voice sounds like in those scenes.


It's her voice when she hears herself, Dalek when the doctor talks to her. IIRC, debating watching it again.

Anyway, considering she was over a speaker the whole time, I'd go with voice being manipulated.

Although goddamn, on a side note, my simple Google search to figure out when the premiere was going to be ended up telling me that Rory and Amy leave (and when). Obviously it was gonna happen, and I don't know how, but goddammit that was annoying.

/why I didn't know the premiere was tonight
 
2012-09-02 12:29:10 AM

HopScotchNSoda: Meh, his father-in-law is nearly twice that old.


Yeah, but he's had plastic surgery.
 
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