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(Guardian)   Will Rory get killed again? Are the Daleks going to be the classic versions, or of the My Little Dalek: Extermination is Magic design? And just Who is The Doctor? Season 7 of Doctor Who begins with Asylum of the Daleks   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 457
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2012-09-01 09:18:00 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Colin Baker's snarky, meta introduction had so much promise.


"Change Peri, and not a moment too soon!"

I actually got chills when he delivered that line. Pity pretty much everything after that was so terrible. "Varos" was watchable, but it's not great. He also had the worst companions.
 
2012-09-01 09:19:30 PM
And we get a farking commercial, this is why I watch using a VPN normally and am going to do so from now on
 
2012-09-01 09:21:00 PM

BronyMedic: Rules of the New Doctor Who:
1) The Doctor Lies
2) Rory Dies.


You forgot: 3) The Doctor and companions meet each other out of sync

The out-of-sequence thing first planned for Mel Bush (until Colin Baker decided to quit) and hinted at with the Face of Boe was a cute nuance to "Father's Day" and "Smith and Jones". Exploring it more fully with River has opened up many new plot lines. But damn it, it has been done to farking death. Of the companions since Mel (and not including the issue with Sarah Jane, Turlough and Teegan created by "The Five Doctors), the following meet the Doctor out of sequence from him meeting them:
  *  Mel Bush (When she appears in Trial of a Timelord, she & Six have already been travelling for a while after that)
  *  Rose Tyler (met Nine as a baby & Ten as an adult before Nine met her adult self)
  *  Mickey Smith (met Nine as a little boy)
  *  Jack Harkness (Face of Boe kept calling Nine & Ten "Old Friend"; Nine meets Jack after meeting FoB)
  *  Martha Jones (bumps into Ten on the way to work where he meets her; after they get back he meets her the previous morning)
  *  River Song (Ten meets at end of her life; she meets Eleven as a baby (through avatar and small child)
  *  Amy Pond (She meets Eleven & her adult self at a fair, 2 years before Eleven meets her in her back yard)
  *  Oswin Oswald (Eleven meets her at the end of her life, after she had already become Dalek-ised)
  *  (not a companion, but) HM Elizabeth I (Ten doesn't know why she hates him; later nails her & takes off)

It's farking cliché now. The only multi-episode companions who are not out of sync with the Doctor since the trend started with Mel (even counting companions who were not technically companions for more than one episode) are:
  *  Dorothy "Ace" McShane
  *  Adam Mitchell
  *  K-9
  *  Donna Noble
  *  Wilfred Mott
  *  Rory Williams
  *  Craig Owens
  *  (not officially a companion, but) Jackie Tyler

Before you think that I left off Sarah Jane Smith, remember that she met the First and Second Doctors in "The Five Doctors" long after she finished her companionship of the Third and Fourth Doctors.


On a separate issue, is it just me or did Darla Von Karlsen look like she was made up to look a lot like Gideon Vandaleur (or rather the Teslecta disguised as Gideon Vandaleur)? Because of that look, I knew she wasn't real almost right away, I just figured she was a Teslecta, not a Dalek in a human suit.
 
2012-09-01 09:21:47 PM
HOLY CRAP THAT'S TONIGHT?

Awesome!

/SO finally f--king broke me a few months ago
//sticking to the current doctor (with the exception of watching the original River Song episodes for the context) cause just catching up on the two seasons took so much time.... can't get caught up on it all, dammit
///keeps telling me the 10th was the best, eh, I don't know if it's the story arcs, or River Song, or Matt Smith in particular but it just hasn't grabbed me like the past two seasons have
 
2012-09-01 09:24:54 PM

gingerjet: Di Atribe: Wow. They edited out the whole smartass exchange between Amy & the Doctor there. Bummer!

Which is why you just steal it from the internet. The BBC America's edits have farked up more than one Doctor Who scene (especially the first episode of Matt Smiths tenure).


We watched all of the episodes from Rose on through Netflix. Of course, it takes forever to get new episodes up. Boooooo!

DALEK ZOMBIES!!
 
2012-09-01 09:32:23 PM
It's pretty amazing that nobody got spoilered on Jenna Louise Coleman being in the episode despite it having screened publicly weeks ago.
 
2012-09-01 09:34:16 PM
Well, ABC (Australia, that is) did the amazing thing and put it up on their web viewer before it shows on TV - That is, Australians can legitimately stream it online a full week before it shows on TV. Now that's how it's done.

On to the ep: Liked it, a lot, but I must admit to being so used to the big-overarching-plot type stories that I think I was waiting for more from it... but no, that's just me, and no fault of this ep. Had me going "wtf?"-quisical-dog at a few points until things were explained and I went "Ahhh! I see now!"

Are we hiding spoilers? Some things have kinda been said already and I don't want to ruin it for anyone just checking in on this thread...

Spoilers in white:
- So yeah, since that was the new companion there, does this mean we know how she dies before we meet her properly?
- How could Amy ever give up Rory? She's crazy. He's managed to get even more handsome, and he would never stop loving her, he waited for her for two thousand years and he looks at her with those puppydog eyes and gawd I'm gushing over a fictional character shoot me now.
- I'm glad we get to see why the Daleks are so feared and how they aren't just pepper pots on wheels... they do have tech and spies and stuff.
- And yeah, the Doctor has been wiped from their memory... and he made them what they are...
- This is more on the theme that was set last season though: The Doctor has got too "large", too well known. I suspect we're going to be seeing more of him doing things to reduce his impact on the universe.
- Why didn't the nanobots affect the doctor? Or did they...?


Anyway, so very glad the Doctor is back
 
2012-09-01 09:34:19 PM

Di Atribe: gingerjet: Di Atribe: Wow. They edited out the whole smartass exchange between Amy & the Doctor there. Bummer!

Which is why you just steal it from the internet. The BBC America's edits have farked up more than one Doctor Who scene (especially the first episode of Matt Smiths tenure).

We watched all of the episodes from Rose on through Netflix. Of course, it takes forever to get new episodes up. Boooooo!

DALEK ZOMBIES!!


I'm downloading expat shield onto the SO's laptop right now.

/so do I wait for the SO to wake up from a well-deserved-after-garden-work-all-day nap to watch, or do I watch now?
//AGH
 
2012-09-01 09:34:35 PM
So, so far we have zombie Daleks, Dalek zombies, a potential companion, Amy maybe taking the big sleep, and Rory still alive.
 
2012-09-01 09:35:24 PM

ghost_who_walks: Spoilers in white:


Thanks for doing that.

/gonna back up slowly out of the thread now
//and shake the SO awake
 
2012-09-01 09:36:01 PM

rynthetyn: It's pretty amazing that nobody got spoilered on Jenna Louise Coleman being in the episode despite it having screened publicly weeks ago.


It was announced that she was in it a long time ago. There was much debate as to whether she was appearing as her companion character, or as somebody else. It's pretty common for actresses to reappear in different roles. Karen Gillian was in the Rome episode.

Now, for it to happen in the same season- well, that would be odd.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:36 PM
i have been hating on the doctor for a few years now, but this one was actually pretty good. let's see how long that lasts.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:56 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: /so do I wait for the SO to wake up from a well-deserved-after-garden-work-all-day nap to watch, or do I watch now?


That is so sweet to want to wait for your SO! I say watch it now & then re-watch it when he/she wakes up & feign ignorance. :)
 
2012-09-01 09:41:15 PM

Di Atribe: StreetlightInTheGhetto: /so do I wait for the SO to wake up from a well-deserved-after-garden-work-all-day nap to watch, or do I watch now?

That is so sweet to want to wait for your SO! I say watch it now & then re-watch it when he/she wakes up & feign ignorance omniscience!!!!. :)

 

FTFY
 
2012-09-01 09:45:28 PM

ghost_who_walks: 1- So yeah, since that was the new companion there, does this mean we know how she dies before we meet her properly?
2- How could Amy ever give up Rory? She's crazy. He's managed to get even more handsome, and he would never stop loving her, he waited for her for two thousand years and he looks at her with those puppydog eyes and gawd I'm gushing over a fictional character shoot me now.
3- I'm glad we get to see why the Daleks are so feared and how they aren't just pepper pots on wheels... they do have tech and spies and stuff.
4- And yeah, the Doctor has been wiped from their memory... and he made them what they are...
5- This is more on the theme that was set last season though: The Doctor has got too "large", too well known. I suspect we're going to be seeing more of him doing things to reduce his impact on the universe.
6- Why didn't the nanobots affect the doctor? Or did they...?


1. The new companion has a different name. So, maybe that only looks like the new companion.
2. He wanted kids. She couldn't give them. She gave him up so he could have what he wanted. She loves him so much she will give him up to keep him happy. (Ugh, I feel sick just typing that. I need to turn in my man card.)
3. I wondered why we only saw one basic shape until now. Maybe they feel "salt-shaker" is the optimal shape.
4. That means that we get to enjoy watching them develop their hate for him all over again.
5. Possibly, but since he and River can't keep track of his timeline, how can anyone else. If some one spots him all he needs to say is "Lake Where?" or "What astronaut? Sorry, must be my future."
6. They probably did, but the TARDIS can repair him.
 
2012-09-01 09:47:38 PM

t3knomanser: Now, for it to happen in the same season- well, that would be odd.


I can't imagine they would introduce a new companion, send out PR photos & then put them into an early ep as someone else. Karen's role in Fires of Pompeii was a totally different situation. Same with Martha in Doomsday.
 
2012-09-01 09:48:03 PM
Aren't the Daleks supposed to be dead?
 
2012-09-01 09:48:51 PM
Vulcan? Wtf
 
2012-09-01 09:49:51 PM
Oh, and new title/font stuff!
 
2012-09-01 09:50:40 PM

silgryphon: Aren't the Daleks supposed to be dead?


They were remade as Ironsides in that episode with Churchill, Victory of the Daleks
 
2012-09-01 09:51:45 PM

Gunny Walker: ghost_who_walks: 1- So yeah, since that was the new companion there, does this mean we know how she dies before we meet her properly?
2- How could Amy ever give up Rory? She's crazy. He's managed to get even more handsome, and he would never stop loving her, he waited for her for two thousand years and he looks at her with those puppydog eyes and gawd I'm gushing over a fictional character shoot me now.
3- I'm glad we get to see why the Daleks are so feared and how they aren't just pepper pots on wheels... they do have tech and spies and stuff.
4- And yeah, the Doctor has been wiped from their memory... and he made them what they are...
5- This is more on the theme that was set last season though: The Doctor has got too "large", too well known. I suspect we're going to be seeing more of him doing things to reduce his impact on the universe.
6- Why didn't the nanobots affect the doctor? Or did they...?

1. The new companion has a different name. So, maybe that only looks like the new companion.
2. He wanted kids. She couldn't give them. She gave him up so he could have what he wanted. She loves him so much she will give him up to keep him happy. (Ugh, I feel sick just typing that. I need to turn in my man card.)
3. I wondered why we only saw one basic shape until now. Maybe they feel "salt-shaker" is the optimal shape.
4. That means that we get to enjoy watching them develop their hate for him all over again.
5. Possibly, but since he and River can't keep track of his timeline, how can anyone else. If some one spots him all he needs to say is "Lake Where?" or "What astronaut? Sorry, must be my future."
6. They probably did, but the TARDIS can repair him.


For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing
 
2012-09-01 09:52:05 PM
Holy shiat a padded room dalek
 
2012-09-01 09:57:11 PM
Oh that's awesome
 
2012-09-01 09:59:55 PM

Tellingthem: For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing


Maybe the Doctor reprogrammed a crazy Dalek as her in some Machiavellian plot to get Amy and Rory back together. He knew they had problems in The Pond Life. This might be a Doctor from after JLC's departure. He knew all the time what was going on and had a vortex manipulator in his pocket in case things got to be too hairy. Then he told her the story so she could have a happy death. Because the Doctor thinks even Daleks deserve a decent death.
 
2012-09-01 10:00:04 PM
Great episode, and I'm really looking forward to the new companion.

Sucks that we only get five episodes this block of the season.
 
2012-09-01 10:00:41 PM

silgryphon: Aren't the Daleks supposed to be dead?


The Daleks have Joker blood in them. Doesn't matter how dead they are, you know they're coming back.
 
2012-09-01 10:02:59 PM
Soooo that was sheer awesome.

The Doctor's new companion is a Dalek?
 
2012-09-01 10:03:08 PM

Gunny Walker: Tellingthem: For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing

Maybe the Doctor reprogrammed a crazy Dalek as her in some Machiavellian plot to get Amy and Rory back together. He knew they had problems in The Pond Life. This might be a Doctor from after JLC's departure. He knew all the time what was going on and had a vortex manipulator in his pocket in case things got to be too hairy. Then he told her the story so she could have a happy death. Because the Doctor thinks even Daleks deserve a decent death.


Heh after the last couple of season i would guess that you are right.My first thought is that later she is somehow made from his memory and then he decides to bring her along as payback for "her" saving their lives.
 
2012-09-01 10:03:18 PM
Doctor Who?
 
2012-09-01 10:04:13 PM

silgryphon: Oh that's awesome


That was good awesome. Not as many twists as I expected, the ones they had were great.

Next week looks good. Have nearly the full day of catch ups to re-go through. The River Song story can be confusing. Missed much of them again taking care of Bella (the dog).
 
2012-09-01 10:04:41 PM

TheManofPA: Soooo that was sheer awesome.

The Doctor's new companion is a Dalek?


Different name so probably not, she was awesome though.
 
2012-09-01 10:04:43 PM

Tellingthem: For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing


Holy Crap! I think you're right. (I'm re-watching the episode and just hit that part.) She says remember and looks right at the camera. The nanobots changed the doctor. She downloads herself to the nanobots in the Doctor and Amy. She is then later re-created from their memories. After all, she is clever enough to pull that off. Maybe she gets a ganger, but changes her name to keep the Doctor from figuring it out. She even helps them escape right into the TARDIS. The Doctor is so cocky, it doesn't even occur to him that he might have gotten help this time.
 
2012-09-01 10:04:58 PM

ThisIsNotSubtle: Damn, I love this show. I really, really do.


Ummmmm HELLLLLLLLLLL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-09-01 10:05:56 PM
"Eggs?"

"EGGS...TERMINATE!""

so awesome.

I give this episode 10/10
 
2012-09-01 10:07:44 PM

Dogfacedgod: "Eggs?"

"EGGS...TERMINATE!""

so awesome.

I give this episode 10/10


I was laughing during that scene. And the 11 of 10 on the danger scale. Some one has watched Spinal Tap.
 
2012-09-01 10:07:53 PM
Ghost who walks:

Amy threw out Rory because she loved him and wanted him to be able to have the kids that he had always wanted and that she no longer can have because of what Kovarian and her staff did to her at Demons Run. Of course, it's possible that the real problem with her lady parts was caused not by the treatments, but by gestating a damn Time Lord for nine months.

That tied back to a thought I had when Amy was signing the marital settlement agreement or whatever that particular divorce document is called in English courts: The two of them probably had to commit perjury. One or more of the statements in such documents reflect whether or not there was issue from the marriage and the ages and competency of such issue. They would have to falsely claim that the parties had no children. They couldn't hardly put down anything like: "The marriage resulted in a daughter, Melody Pond, alias Mels [something], alias River Song (hereinafter "Daughter"), born on ________ 51xx, outside of the Commonwealth on the asteroid known as Demons Run (currently aged ~50 years). Husband and Wife acknowledge paternity of Daughter."  What else could they do? Admit that they had a kid and that she died without any death certificate or having reported it?
 
2012-09-01 10:12:30 PM

PaulieattheTap: Dogfacedgod: "Eggs?"

"EGGS...TERMINATE!""

so awesome.

I give this episode 10/10

I was laughing during that scene. And the 11 of 10 on the danger scale. Some one has watched Spinal Tap.


"The nose vs the chin. You two could have a fencing match."
 
2012-09-01 10:13:08 PM
Man, that Jenna Louise Coleman is farking adorable.
 
2012-09-01 10:13:28 PM

Gunny Walker: Tellingthem: For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing

Holy Crap! I think you're right. (I'm re-watching the episode and just hit that part.) She says remember and looks right at the camera. The nanobots changed the doctor. She downloads herself to the nanobots in the Doctor and Amy. She is then later re-created from their memories. After all, she is clever enough to pull that off. Maybe she gets a ganger, but changes her name to keep the Doctor from figuring it out. She even helps them escape right into the TARDIS. The Doctor is so cocky, it doesn't even occur to him that he might have gotten help this time.


Yeah it just seemed to me to be a little too "bad wolf" for just a throwaway line. I'm guessing there will be more hints to come if this is a somewhat accurate.
 
2012-09-01 10:14:26 PM
I saw Oswin's issue coming a mile away, but it was sort of sad. She reminded me so much of Jenny that I actually thought it might be Jenny when he found her, only partially converted and mostly insane. It wasn't. It wasn't as sad as that would have been, but it was still pretty far out there.

Seeing the Ponds having issues with their relationship was nice. I like to think the Doctor is putting a massive strain on the entire thing, and has been the entire time.
 
2012-09-01 10:14:32 PM

NeoCortex42: PaulieattheTap: Dogfacedgod: "Eggs?"

"EGGS...TERMINATE!""

so awesome.

I give this episode 10/10

I was laughing during that scene. And the 11 of 10 on the danger scale. Some one has watched Spinal Tap.

"The nose vs the chin. You two could have a fencing match."


What about Mrs. Robinson?
 
2012-09-01 10:15:41 PM

Nefarious: TheManofPA: Soooo that was sheer awesome.

The Doctor's new companion is a Dalek?

Different name so probably not, she was awesome though.


It was more sadly I was like.....wait why does this actress look really familiar. Once it clicked I was like.....oh how'd they pull that off so that people didn't know she was in the opener
 
2012-09-01 10:17:42 PM

That Reilly Monster: Just finished it up and hot damn I loved it. I've never found the Daleks to be scary before. If Moffat's mission was to change that, mission accomplished.


Haven't seen it yet, but the Daleks SHOULD be scary. After all, it's their mission to kill all other sentient life in the universe...

/ enjoyed how they were curbstomping the Cybermen in "Doomsday"
 
2012-09-01 10:21:03 PM
Has anyone figured out yet why the Doctor quietly told Amy in the Dalek ship to "make them remember you" or am I reading too much into it?
 
2012-09-01 10:23:03 PM

HopScotchNSoda: Amy threw out Rory because she loved him and wanted him to be able to have the kids that he had always wanted and that she no longer can have because of what Kovarian and her staff did to her at Demons Run. Of course, it's possible that the real problem with her lady parts was caused not by the treatments, but by gestating a damn Time Lord for nine months.


Oh I know all that. I was just getting a little gay over Rory. He's just so damn cute.
 
2012-09-01 10:23:09 PM

silgryphon: Vulcan? Wtf


Yep.

In Patrick Troughton's first serial, The Doctor fought the Daleks on a planet called Vulcan.

Unfortunately, the serial is lost (as so many Troughton serials are), so the best you'll ever get is an audio reconstruction of it if you want to search for it.

And yes, it did air after Star Trek had begun, but I don't know if Trek would have made it over the pond by the time the serial was written.
 
2012-09-01 10:25:12 PM
The only way to make this episode suck more would be to have Rose make yet another comeback.
 
2012-09-01 10:26:16 PM

Time Traveling Bunnies: Has anyone figured out yet why the Doctor quietly told Amy in the Dalek ship to "make them remember you" or am I reading too much into it?


She asked what to do next. He was talking about himself. Make the Daleks remember him. He can get them cross and they will make mistakes or it will buy him time to work something out.
 
2012-09-01 10:27:57 PM

Gunny Walker: ghost_who_walks:

1- So yeah, since that was the new companion there, does this mean we know how she dies before we meet her properly?

1. The new companion has a different name. So, maybe that only looks like the new companion.


Hmmmm...That'll be very interesting how they explain her out.

2- How could Amy ever give up Rory? She's crazy. He's managed to get even more handsome, and he would never stop loving her, he waited for her for two thousand years and he looks at her with those puppydog eyes and gawd I'm gushing over a fictional character shoot me now.

2. He wanted kids. She couldn't give them. She gave him up so he could have what he wanted. She loves him so much she will give him up to keep him happy. (Ugh, I feel sick just typing that. I need to turn in my man card.)


Looks like The Silence screwed up her bodily function; gonna enjoy seeing them fall when *the question" is finally uttered.

3- I'm glad we get to see why the Daleks are so feared and how they aren't just pepper pots on wheels... they do have tech and spies and stuff.

3. I wondered why we only saw one basic shape until now. Maybe they feel "salt-shaker" is the optimal shape.


Hmmmm...maybe they've finally figured out how to use their technology on other races (such as humans) in order to convert them into Daleks. Hell, the Cybermen can't be the only ones converting other races.

4- And yeah, the Doctor has been wiped from their memory... and he made them what they are...

4. That means that we get to enjoy watching them develop their hate for him all over again.


Call this a balancing out from "Victory of the Daleks." If the new generation of Dalek is now more dangerous and lethal than the previous version, they would've killed him eventually. Now, since they don't know who he is, the Doctor has regained the advantage.

5- This is more on the theme that was set last season though: The Doctor has got too "large", too well known. I suspect we're going to be seeing more of him doing things to reduce his impact on the universe.

5. Possibly, but since he and River can't keep track of his timeline, how can anyone else. If some one spots him all he needs to say is "Lake Where?" or "What astronaut? Sorry, must be my future."


That wouldn't explain how the Daleks knew that he was alive after all; after last season, the universe knew that he "died." Unless, of course, since the TARDIS gives out an energy signal that they knew about and thus confirmed that the Doctor was alive.

6- Why didn't the nanobots affect the doctor? Or did they...?

6. They probably did, but the TARDIS can repair him.


it's more likely that since Galifreyan physiology is different than that of a human, it would've taken more time for the nanobots to convert the Doctor's body. That and the emotions of a time lord can be very different than that of a human being as well.
 
2012-09-01 10:29:28 PM

Gunny Walker: Tellingthem: For the companion thing I can only imagine that the "remember me" part will factor into her story somehow. It just seems like some foreshadowing

Holy Crap! I think you're right. (I'm re-watching the episode and just hit that part.) She says remember and looks right at the camera. The nanobots changed the doctor. She downloads herself to the nanobots in the Doctor and Amy. She is then later re-created from their memories. After all, she is clever enough to pull that off. Maybe she gets a ganger, but changes her name to keep the Doctor from figuring it out. She even helps them escape right into the TARDIS. The Doctor is so cocky, it doesn't even occur to him that he might have gotten help this time.


I can't be staying awake all that long so my comment is made small so that West Coasties can quickly slip past the spoiler.

And there's also the point that from the Doctor's perspective he never sees her face. All he ever sees of her is the chained Dalek form in the last room.
 
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