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2012-09-01 08:35:17 AM
These weren't the droids we were looking for?
 
2012-09-01 10:28:22 AM
Scheel, who is based in Arizona, didn't elaborate but said she was acting on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice.

that reeks of dirty politics and someone calling in a marker....
 
2012-09-01 10:41:37 AM
I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?
 
2012-09-01 10:42:01 AM
At this point, who cares? The damage has been done, and he is old, unhealthy, and will die soon - along with the geriatric trailer rattlers who vote for him. The future of Arizona will have little to do with people like him or Jan Brewer..
He isn't worth thinking about., let alone pursuing.
 
2012-09-01 10:42:11 AM
That is disgusting.
 
2012-09-01 10:44:11 AM
It's very hard for law authorities to commit an act that's prosecutable.
 
2012-09-01 10:46:29 AM
That leaves plenty more....
 
2012-09-01 10:47:58 AM

rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?


probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.
 
2012-09-01 10:48:12 AM
In a separate probe, the U.S. Justice Department has accused Arpaio's office of a wide range of civil rights violations, and in another case, a federal judge has yet to rule in a civil case brought by a group of Latino plaintiffs that claimed Arpaio and his deputies engaged in racial profiling.

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2012-09-01 10:52:38 AM
The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.
 
2012-09-01 10:59:12 AM

Weaver95: rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?

probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.


Lost Thought 00's statement might have more to do with it. Executive branch positions, particularly law enforcement and counsel positions, have a great deal of discretion built into the position, thus creating a very high standard for "inappropriate" behavior. So long as ol' Joe has a viable excuse upon which to fall back, getting charges to stick is near impossible and a failed prosecution just enhances that person's power (not to mention it gives the dirty politician a soapbox to use their personal charisma to reinforce their story with the public). I'm betting the DOJ wanted a bulletproof, slam dunk set of charges and didn't get it.
 
2012-09-01 10:59:40 AM
Submitter admits he wants Sheriff Joe's balls, admits he would let the posse run a train on him. Denies their offer to wear a condom
 
2012-09-01 11:02:04 AM

Weaver95: rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?

probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.


He's the J Edgar of our time. Scary.
 
2012-09-01 11:03:16 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

Joseph M. "Joe" Arpaio (born June 14, 1932) is the five-time elected sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

[...]

Their petition to get a recall question for the two officials onto the next general election ballot failed when the group was unable to collect the more than 200,000 registered voter signatures required.[140] In a survey taken by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, while the petition was in circulation, nearly three out of four respondents opposed the recall, and 65 percent of the respondents held a positive opinion of Arpaio.
 
2012-09-01 11:09:25 AM

Bob16: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio

Joseph M. "Joe" Arpaio (born June 14, 1932) is the five-time elected sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona.

[...]

Their petition to get a recall question for the two officials onto the next general election ballot failed when the group was unable to collect the more than 200,000 registered voter signatures required.[140] In a survey taken by the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication, while the petition was in circulation, nearly three out of four respondents opposed the recall, and 65 percent of the respondents held a positive opinion of Arpaio.


This is literally why Arizona can't have nice things.
 
2012-09-01 11:11:31 AM

Solon Isonomia: Weaver95: rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?

probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.

Lost Thought 00's statement might have more to do with it. Executive branch positions, particularly law enforcement and counsel positions, have a great deal of discretion built into the position, thus creating a very high standard for "inappropriate" behavior. So long as ol' Joe has a viable excuse upon which to fall back, getting charges to stick is near impossible and a failed prosecution just enhances that person's power (not to mention it gives the dirty politician a soapbox to use their personal charisma to reinforce their story with the public). I'm betting the DOJ wanted a bulletproof, slam dunk set of charges and didn't get it.


i'm sure that played a part in it but...Joe has gone WAY beyond even the most permissive standards of acceptable behavior. the more you dig the worse it gets - threats, bribes, intimidation, ignoring court orders, destruction of records, obstruction...the list goes on and on.
 
2012-09-01 11:11:39 AM
I still am amazed that the people of Arizona who voted him in are okay with Sheriff Joe using state tax dollars to investigate whether or not Obama is a US Citizen. He is just an Arizona Sheriff, right?

Those voters picked him so I really have no issue with him serving. It's their right to pick whatever qualified person or nutjob they want to their elected offices, and if they want a farked up state, more power to them.
 
2012-09-01 11:13:11 AM
Must be a ZOMFG KONSPIRICY!

Who says lefties can't be idiots?
 
2012-09-01 11:15:10 AM

Weaver95: Scheel, who is based in Arizona, didn't elaborate but said she was acting on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice.

that reeks of dirty politics and someone calling in a marker....


So thats what...like Sherriff Joes 20th marker?

Surely hes almost out of markers to call in. You must go full retard in the next investigation that wastes time, manpower and money.

He is the penultimate evil since he is hiding all his evil doings so freaking well.
 
2012-09-01 11:16:15 AM
They might have flipped a few of his deputies and are willing to sit back and let the info roll in. You go after a person's allies if you want to weaken them.

Or maybe they found out he has ass cancer and this problem will take care of itself.
 
2012-09-01 11:16:29 AM
Witch hunt found no witch

the team that sent guns to Mexico are so disconnected from reality
 
2012-09-01 11:18:29 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Witch hunt found no witch


well...we don't know that for sure. we know the investigation was halted. we don't know why.

the team that sent guns to Mexico are so disconnected from reality

wasn't that started by the Bush administration...?
 
2012-09-01 11:21:39 AM
Quite frankly, I'm surprised he's not the governor.
 
2012-09-01 11:22:40 AM

Giltric: Weaver95: Scheel, who is based in Arizona, didn't elaborate but said she was acting on behalf of the U.S. Department of Justice.

that reeks of dirty politics and someone calling in a marker....

So thats what...like Sherriff Joes 20th marker?

Surely hes almost out of markers to call in. You must go full retard in the next investigation that wastes time, manpower and money.

He is the penultimate evil since he is hiding all his evil doings so freaking well.


You mean like Joe's taxpayer funded trips to Hawaii for his deputies to investigate Obama's birth certificate?
 
2012-09-01 11:23:01 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Witch hunt found no witch

the team that sent guns to Mexico are so disconnected from reality


So investigating one issue and one person and giving up is a witch hunt. When the police pull you over for a traffic infraction, do you you hell "Witch Hunt!!!" in their face?
 
2012-09-01 11:23:33 AM

farkityfarker: Quite frankly, I'm surprised he's not the governor.


well, if Joe was the governor he wouldn't be able to hang around the prison all day long and watch all those sweaty young latino men wandering around in pink underwear.
 
2012-09-01 11:24:19 AM
My thought was touched on in another thread.

Let me begin by saying hello to Mr. Godwin. I am interested in the history of Nazi Germany up until its end in 1945. I have always wondered what it was like in those days from the failed putsch to Hitler's being appointed Chancellor, and effectively becoming dictator.

We are not in the exact same situation. But the similarities are eerie.

Fascinating Captain!
 
2012-09-01 11:27:18 AM

Weaver95: Solon Isonomia: Weaver95: rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?

probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.

Lost Thought 00's statement might have more to do with it. Executive branch positions, particularly law enforcement and counsel positions, have a great deal of discretion built into the position, thus creating a very high standard for "inappropriate" behavior. So long as ol' Joe has a viable excuse upon which to fall back, getting charges to stick is near impossible and a failed prosecution just enhances that person's power (not to mention it gives the dirty politician a soapbox to use their personal charisma to reinforce their story with the public). I'm betting the DOJ wanted a bulletproof, slam dunk set of charges and didn't get it.

i'm sure that played a part in it but...Joe has gone WAY beyond even the most permissive standards of acceptable behavior. the more you dig the worse it gets - threats, bribes, intimidation, ignoring court orders, destruction of records, obstruction...the list goes on and on.


Oh I agree entirely, but they need to get direct proof of him ordering/authorizing it or they need to get several of his deputies to turn state's and testify that he was responsible for those actions or the case will get killed at trial. Circumstantial evidence might have the same weight as direct evidence under the law, but nailing someone at the head of a large organization requires a way to get past the buffers (a'la Godfather Part II) and pin the decisionmaking on the leader. As it stands, Joe could pull the "overzealous staffer" defense and a jury would likely hang or go not guilty, unless there are several recordings of Joe himself doing the bad acts (if there are, then I want to know who farked up the case and didn't use the media correctly).
 
2012-09-01 11:30:58 AM

skinink: I still am amazed that the people of Arizona who voted him in are okay with Sheriff Joe using state tax dollars to investigate whether or not Obama is a US Citizen. He is just an Arizona Sheriff, right?

Those voters picked him so I really have no issue with him serving. It's their right to pick whatever qualified person or nutjob they want to their elected offices, and if they want a farked up state, more power to them.


Arizona is a retirement mecca now. It's all old people and sun baked desert dwellers. It's been a very, how shall we say, "White" state for a long time and these people want to make sure it stays that way. He plays to their fears and it works and as long as he goes after them dirty Messicans, he's a frickin' hero. The fact that he's going after the niBONG in the White House makes him all the more endearing.
 
2012-09-01 11:32:35 AM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Witch hunt found no witch

well...we don't know that for sure. we know the investigation was halted. we don't know why.

the team that sent guns to Mexico are so disconnected from reality

wasn't that started by the Bush administration...?


No
The witch hunt started with holder
 
2012-09-01 11:33:56 AM
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Chicago could use Sheriff Joe.
 
2012-09-01 11:34:36 AM
Sheriff Joe is proof that awesome can still get elected in America!
 
2012-09-01 11:35:46 AM

cabbyman: Sheriff Joe is proof that awesome can still get elected in America!


You're just phoning it in now.
 
2012-09-01 11:35:47 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.


Good news: there is, in fact, an Arizona!
 
2012-09-01 11:38:08 AM

Fart_Machine: cabbyman: Sheriff Joe is proof that awesome can still get elected in America!

You're just phoning it in now.


Phoned in awesome is still awesome.
 
2012-09-01 11:39:03 AM
The next sheriff they "elect" should be one that doesn't enforce the law.
 
2012-09-01 11:41:37 AM
Wasilla Hillbilly: The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.

I think it's cute you accept no afterlife on the basis of FAITH.
 
2012-09-01 11:43:08 AM
I still resent the fact that I know who the Sheriff of Maricopa County is whereas I don't know who the Sheriffs of the counties I live and work in are.

I guess he's an attention whore.
 
2012-09-01 11:45:17 AM

ComicBookGuy: Wasilla Hillbilly: The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.

I think it's cute you accept no afterlife on the basis of FAITH.


why don't you both go and scout things about a bit, then come back and tell us what you found ok? that should settle this argument for everyone.

now - off you go! there's a couple good lads.
 
2012-09-01 11:46:39 AM

ComicBookGuy: Wasilla Hillbilly: The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.

I think it's cute you accept no afterlife on the basis of FAITH.


Although I am athiest, there are plenty of people who believe in some form of an afterlife that reject the idea of hell. There is no faith involved in my disbelief, but let's not derail the thread.
 
2012-09-01 11:49:21 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Witch hunt found no witch


But enough about Sheriff Joe's investigation on Obama's citizenship...
 
2012-09-01 11:51:42 AM
KEEP LOOKING!
 
2012-09-01 11:53:06 AM

Solon Isonomia: Weaver95: rudemix: I wonder how large the file of dirt is that Arpayaso has on Scheel?

probably nothing directly, but I'd be willing to wager that Sheriff Joe has buckets of dirt on his local/state politicians. Follow the money - odds are that Joe grabbed big name Arizona political leaders by the short hairs and and THEM pressure the DOJ to back off and kill the investigation.

Lost Thought 00's statement might have more to do with it. Executive branch positions, particularly law enforcement and counsel positions, have a great deal of discretion built into the position, thus creating a very high standard for "inappropriate" behavior. So long as ol' Joe has a viable excuse upon which to fall back, getting charges to stick is near impossible and a failed prosecution just enhances that person's power (not to mention it gives the dirty politician a soapbox to use their personal charisma to reinforce their story with the public). I'm betting the DOJ wanted a bulletproof, slam dunk set of charges and didn't get it.


You also have to consider that this is not exactly the most competent DoJ we have ever had. Consider:

It took them two tries to get Blago

Wasted efforts on Bonds, Clements and Armstrong (granted some carry over from previous admin)

Screwed up the paperwork on Polanski

Dropped a case because of to much evidence

Fast and Furious.
 
2012-09-01 11:54:40 AM

jso2897: At this point, who cares? The damage has been done, and he is old, unhealthy, and will die soon - along with the geriatric trailer rattlers who vote for him. The future of Arizona will have little to do with people like him or Jan Brewer..
He isn't worth thinking about., let alone pursuing.


Difficulty: Precedent has now been set for other police departments in the country to arrest people for Driving While Brown with no fear of getting so much as a sternly-worded letter from the US DOJ.
 
2012-09-01 11:55:54 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: The best news is the authoritarian jackass is 80 years old. Clock is ticking. I just wish there was a hell for him to go.


Imagine the funeral. When I was still in school the mayor died and as I was walking to campus one day the procession went down the street I was on. It seemed like it went on forever. It was nearly a 2 mile walk and for most of that 2 miles that day all the cars I saw were part of the funeral procession and this was in a smaller city than Phoenix and most of you have probably never heard of that mayor while almost everyone in the US knows who Joke Arpaio is.

Tea Partiers will come out of the woodwork and criticize Obama for not attending Arpaio's funeral (even if he manages to live past Obama's 2nd term). It's going to make us sick.
 
2012-09-01 11:56:57 AM
Well, lucky for "sheriff" joe, it's not against the law to be a colossal sack of cocks.
 
2012-09-01 12:00:25 PM

Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Witch hunt found no witch

well...we don't know that for sure. we know the investigation was halted. we don't know why.

the team that sent guns to Mexico are so disconnected from reality

wasn't that started by the Bush administration...?


Started and ended during the Bush administration on a smaller scale and recognized as a failure. The restarted under Obama on a grander scale with a possible ulterior motive and ended in an unmitigated disaster.... but you already knew that.
 
2012-09-01 12:00:53 PM

King Something: jso2897: At this point, who cares? The damage has been done, and he is old, unhealthy, and will die soon - along with the geriatric trailer rattlers who vote for him. The future of Arizona will have little to do with people like him or Jan Brewer..
He isn't worth thinking about., let alone pursuing.

Difficulty: Precedent has now been set for other police departments in the country to arrest people for Driving While Brown with no fear of getting so much as a sternly-worded letter from the US DOJ.


The objective was not to prosecute but to inspire Hispanics to get out and vote for Obama. Possibly inspired more people to vote against Obama.
 
2012-09-01 12:01:47 PM

Snowflake Tubbybottom:

Started and ended during the Bush administration on a smaller scale and recognized as a failure. The restarted under Obama on a grander scale with a possible ulterior motive and ended in an unmitigated disaster.... but you already knew that.


well then all we have to do in the future is NEVER do anything the Bush administration thought was a good idea.

i'm glad we had this conversation. it shows that you are progressing nicely.
 
2012-09-01 12:03:51 PM
Okay, Mexican cartels. It's up to you now. Make us all proud.
 
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