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2012-09-01 03:05:37 AM
No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.
 
2012-09-01 03:10:05 AM
shiats given = 0

Nobody thinks a hooka pipe is safer than a cigarette. Nobody even thinks smoking is safe. But we do it anyway because it's fun and pisses people like subby off.
 
2012-09-01 03:26:04 AM

TommyymmoT: No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.


Got any studies showing that? TFA cited 2 studies. I also don't think hookah smokers typically use pure tobacco.
 
2012-09-01 03:58:39 AM

Happy Hours: TommyymmoT: No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.

Got any studies showing that? TFA cited 2 studies. I also don't think hookah smokers typically use pure tobacco.


Are you serious?
And what does a wild card (pipe filler, cigar butts, pot, hash, crack, meth, old socks etc) have to do with "normal cigarettes"?

And who the hell smokes ANYTHING for 80 MINUTES?

Go talk to subby, he looks lonely in that corner.
 
2012-09-01 04:20:34 AM
Hipsters?

I guess...I didnt know hipsters were into smoking tobacco from hookahs.

I do know people who use vaporizers though...but not for tobacco. Where does that rank?
 
2012-09-01 04:28:36 AM

TommyymmoT: And who the hell smokes ANYTHING for 80 MINUTES?


TFA: In contrast, waterpipe sessions typically last 20-80 minutes, during which the smoker may take 50-20 puffs which each range from 0.15 to one liter each.

"The waterpipe smoker may therefore inhale as much smoke during one session as a cigarette smoker would inhale consuming 100 or more cigarettes," the WHO said.


So, assume your experience lands you at 10 minutes. That's.. 12.5 cigs in 10 minutes.

But, meh. I don't think anyone's smoking because they believe it's awesome for them, so I don't see the sense in defending any particular method.
 
2012-09-01 04:36:40 AM
Geesh...Everyone knows that hipsters prefer American Spirits...they are all natural and grown by Indians so they aren't bad for you.
 
2012-09-01 04:37:37 AM

Relatively Obscure: TommyymmoT: And who the hell smokes ANYTHING for 80 MINUTES?

TFA: In contrast, waterpipe sessions typically last 20-80 minutes, during which the smoker may take 50-20 puffs which each range from 0.15 to one liter each.

"The waterpipe smoker may therefore inhale as much smoke during one session as a cigarette smoker would inhale consuming 100 or more cigarettes," the WHO said.

So, assume your experience lands you at 10 minutes. That's.. 12.5 cigs in 10 minutes.

But, meh. I don't think anyone's smoking because they believe it's awesome for them, so I don't see the sense in defending any particular method.


I'm not defending anything, and certainly not smoking.
I just think it it's more cigarette company propaganda.
 
2012-09-01 08:58:56 AM

TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: TommyymmoT: And who the hell smokes ANYTHING for 80 MINUTES?

TFA: In contrast, waterpipe sessions typically last 20-80 minutes, during which the smoker may take 50-20 puffs which each range from 0.15 to one liter each.

"The waterpipe smoker may therefore inhale as much smoke during one session as a cigarette smoker would inhale consuming 100 or more cigarettes," the WHO said.

So, assume your experience lands you at 10 minutes. That's.. 12.5 cigs in 10 minutes.

But, meh. I don't think anyone's smoking because they believe it's awesome for them, so I don't see the sense in defending any particular method.

I'm not defending anything, and certainly not smoking.
I just think it it's more cigarette company propaganda.


These studies on hookah always seem like such bullshiat. I am not saying it is safe, because I know it isn't, but to say smoking a hookah for 10 minutes is the same as 12.5 cigs is just dishonest and this would be obvious to anyone who has ever smoked one.
 
2012-09-01 09:17:40 AM
ALL SMOKING IS BAD FOR YOU.
 
2012-09-01 09:19:51 AM

Tellingthem: Geesh...Everyone knows that hipsters prefer American Spirits...they are all natural and grown by Indians so they aren't bad for you.


They also like washing down a fresh pack of American Spirits with a nice clove cigarette to disinfect their lungs.. Totally safe.. Hipsters have had it right the entire time.
 
2012-09-01 09:20:41 AM
I like to smoke shisha.
 
2012-09-01 09:20:56 AM
hmm, studies from Iran. yep. I'll trust that blindly.

deeply inhaling cigarettes vs regular inhaling cigarettes? Uhn-huh. Ok, I'll trust a bunch of illiterate bumfark iranians to be truthful about that, too

And hipsters smoking hookahs? really? That part I'll have to explicitly trust the article writer, too, who has so blithely charged into uncharted territory as far as I'm concerned about them.
 
2012-09-01 09:21:43 AM
I used to work at a sort-of middle eastern themed bar/restaurant that offered these hookahs. No, they weren't using pure tobacco. There were a bunch of different flavors, and i wouldn't be surprised if they were high in tar, additives, etc and worse than cigarettes as measured by equal amounts of smoke inhaled. However, nobody ever sat and continually puffed on the thing for 80 minutes straight. Even 20 minutes sounds dubious, but maybe. Most people just took a few puffs for the experience and moved on. Of course, maybe in other countries they take their hookah-ing more seriously.

This study still sounds like BS to me though. Imagine smoking 100 cigarettes in an hour. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be doing so hot afterwards, yet these people seem to walk away feeling fairly chipper.
 
2012-09-01 09:22:10 AM

danno_to_infinity: hmm, studies from Iran. yep. I'll trust that blindly.

deeply inhaling cigarettes vs regular inhaling cigarettes? Uhn-huh. Ok, I'll trust a bunch of illiterate bumfark iranians to be truthful about that, too

And hipsters smoking hookahs? really? That part I'll have to explicitly trust the article writer, too, who has so blithely charged into uncharted territory as far as I'm concerned about them.


actually, I should amend that last one, subby, not the article writer, lays this at the feet of the hipsters
 
2012-09-01 09:22:17 AM
I didn't think there was any tobacco in shisha.

/dnrtfa
 
2012-09-01 09:23:19 AM
Oh, and hipsters definitely were a big part of our clientele.
 
2012-09-01 09:28:06 AM
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2012-09-01 09:30:11 AM

Whiskey Dickens: I didn't think there was any tobacco in shisha.

/dnrtfa


I believe it is generally tobacco mixed with honey or molasses.
 
2012-09-01 09:31:32 AM
Of course hookahs are worse for you than cigarettes, but not because of the tobacco or any shiat, but because

YOU'RE SHARING A HOSE THAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR MOUTHS!! I don't want any random shiat from other people's mouth inside mine... Unless it's a chick I'm kissing lol.
 
2012-09-01 09:33:05 AM

TommyymmoT: No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.


I love it when people do retarded stuff like smoking a hookah and try to claim its not so retarded by pointing out things they think are more retarded like smoking cigarettes.

Is there seriously anything more douchey than smoking a farkunig hookah with tobacco in it?
 
2012-09-01 09:36:37 AM
When you use the word "hipster" to prove that you are hip youre a recursive retard.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:11 AM
Hey Dope Smokers,
Ever wonder what the criminal who grew your demon weed put on it? Attention Wal-Mart shoppers...
Smoke up.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:50 AM
muslimmatters.org
 
2012-09-01 09:38:58 AM
Shouldn't the metric be amount of tobacco consumed? I mean, my hookah fits maybe five cigs worth of tobacco in the bowl, and I share it. Hard to imagine that multiplies to 100 cigs worth of smoke. Maybe the hookah smoke is less dense? It also seems important to note whether burning the tobacco it
 
2012-09-01 09:39:53 AM
that hookah you puff away on is way worse for you than normal cigarettes

Do you take 10 drags from a hooka 20+ times a day? Then, no, it's not.
 
2012-09-01 09:40:28 AM

TommyymmoT: The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.


That's not what tar is.
 
2012-09-01 09:42:53 AM

poe_zlaw: TommyymmoT: No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.

I love it when people do retarded stuff like smoking a hookah and try to claim its not so retarded by pointing out things they think are more retarded like smoking cigarettes.

Is there seriously anything more douchey than smoking a farkunig hookah with tobacco in it?


I own one. Me and the wife probably smoke it a few times a year while watching a movie or something. I doubt it positively contributes to my health, but I don't really believe that rare exposure is awful for me (or even in the top 10 things I do that are negative to my health). It is fun, tasty, and relaxing. I never considered if it makes me cool or hip, nor do I really care. I guess I am a douche to folks that feel the need to constantly judge other's decisions, like you.
 
2012-09-01 09:42:58 AM
Researchers led by Mohammad Hossein Boskabady at Masshad University of Medical Sciences in Iran

Anyone read that and just burst out laughing? Because I did.
 
2012-09-01 09:43:06 AM

rocky_howard: Of course hookahs are worse for you than cigarettes, but not because of the tobacco or any shiat, but because

YOU'RE SHARING A HOSE THAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR MOUTHS!! I don't want any random shiat from other people's mouth inside mine... Unless it's a chick I'm kissing lol.


Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.

www.hookah-shisha.com
 
2012-09-01 09:43:44 AM

ckevinc: [muslimmatters.org image 379x301]


Oh wow.....you mean if we don't die of something else first, right? Like old age?
 
2012-09-01 09:45:39 AM
I enjoyed reading this article, as I smoked coconut flavored Al Fakher out of my Khalil Mamoon hookah and sipping coffee!

/Surprisingly a lot of the college students around here think it IS better than cigs, health-wise
 
2012-09-01 09:47:09 AM
I like to smoke baby back ribs. I am rubbing some down now for tomorrow
 
2012-09-01 09:48:16 AM
Hipsters? Nah... hookahs generally seem to be more appealing to the erudite potheads with alternative political views, who REALLY want to explain to you why Dennis Kucinich should be president.
 
2012-09-01 09:48:52 AM
HIPSTERS!!!
 
2012-09-01 09:50:41 AM

Crudbucket: Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.


I don't do the hoookah thing, you retard.

lol at "professional hookah bar".

Why is it that people love to throw out that "professional" word as if it mean something?
 
2012-09-01 09:51:56 AM
Too bad pipe smokers live longer than non smokers....suck on that ya dum shiats......

/ google it for yourselves lazy arse mf's.
 
2012-09-01 09:52:50 AM
A study conducted in 2005 by Dr. Donald Tashkin at the UCLA School of Medicine demonstrated that people who smoke marijuana are at less risk of developing lung cancer than tobacco smokers. The study of 2,200 people in Los Angeles found that even heavy marijuana smokers were no more likely to develop lung, head or neck cancer than non-users. In comparison, tobacco users' risk of cancer increases the more they smoke.

Data in Dr. Tashkin's study suggest that people who smoke marijuana are less likely to develop lung cancer than people who do not smoke anything at all. Since marijuana smoke contains the same cancer-causing agents as tobacco and the only difference between the nonsmokers and the marijuana smokers was their use of cannabis, then it is not an unreasonable hypothesis that marijuana can prevent the development of cancer.

In 2003, Dr. Manual Guzman at the Complutense University in Madrid Spain published a research paper entitled Cannabinoids: Potential Anticancer Agents. Dr. Guzman's research on the brains of laboratory rats found that the cannabinoids in cannabis inhibit tumor growth and are selective antitumor compounds, as they can kill tumor cells without affecting noncancerous cells.

Investigators at the University of Wisconsin School of Medicine and Public Health reported in January 2008 that the administration of cannabinoids halts the spread of a wide range of cancers, including brain cancer, prostate cancer, breast cancer, lung cancer, skin cancer, pancreatic cancer, and lymphoma. The report noted that cannabis offer significant advantages over standard chemotherapy treatments because the cannabinoids in cannabis are both non-toxic and can uniquely target malignant cells while ignoring healthy ones.

http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=293
 
2012-09-01 09:53:07 AM

rocky_howard: Crudbucket: Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.

I don't do the hoookah thing, you retard.

lol at "professional hookah bar".

Why is it that people love to throw out that "professional" word as if it mean something?


You are aware that hookah bars are regulated by the board of health and these would be required right?
 
2012-09-01 09:55:45 AM

rocky_howard: Crudbucket: Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.

I don't do the hoookah thing, you retard.

lol at "professional hookah bar".

Why is it that people love to throw out that "professional" word as if it mean something?


Oh noes, I've been zinged!

I'm in Kuwait, so "professional hookah bar" is actually a pretty big thing over here.
 
2012-09-01 09:56:30 AM

BokChoy: Hipsters? Nah... hookahs generally seem to be more appealing to the erudite potheads with alternative political views, who REALLY want to explain to you why Dennis Kucinich should be president.


Because of his hot wife? I mean, if such a leprechaun managed to score that hottie, he must know something good.

3.bp.blogspot.com
www.pcrm.org
eviltwinbooking.org
www.super-hair.net

Also, he looks like Ralph Macchio:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-01 09:56:35 AM
This makes me want to break out my hookah and have a smoke. I know what I'll be doing this evening!
 
2012-09-01 09:57:24 AM

Bob16: When you use the word "hipster" to prove that you are hip youre a recursive retard.


nothinginphoenix.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-01 09:57:33 AM

Crudbucket: rocky_howard: Crudbucket: Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.

I don't do the hoookah thing, you retard.

lol at "professional hookah bar".

Why is it that people love to throw out that "professional" word as if it mean something?

Oh noes, I've been zinged!

I'm in Kuwait, so "professional hookah bar" is actually a pretty big thing over here.


There are shiat-tons of them in London, too.
 
2012-09-01 09:58:15 AM

rocky_howard: Of course hookahs are worse for you than cigarettes, but not because of the tobacco or any shiat, but because

YOU'RE SHARING A HOSE THAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE PUT IN THEIR MOUTHS!! I don't want any random shiat from other people's mouth inside mine... Unless it's a chick I'm kissing lol.


What about a hooker- they've had all sorts of other people's junk intheir mouths. Would you kiss a hooker?

YOU'RE SHARING A HO THAT DOZENS OF PEOPLE HAVE PUT THEIR JUNK IN HER MOUTH!! I don't want any random shiat from other people's junk inside mine... Unless it's a chick I'm kissing lol.
 
2012-09-01 10:00:32 AM
Some idiot thinks I've got tobacco in my hookah?

Pardon me while I giggle....
 
2012-09-01 10:02:08 AM

TommyymmoT: No, I'm not a hipster, but I do smoke.
Commercial cigarettes have more additives, (mostly to make sure you stay addicted) than you can shake a stick at. The additives, most commonly referred to as "tar", are far worse for you than the tobacco is.

Pure tobacco, is not nearly as bad for you.
It's harsher (when it's unfiltered, as it would be in a hookah), which would obviously cause irritation, but it's not even close to being "way worse for you than normal cigarettes".
"Normal" cigarettes, are a worse menace than most substances I can think of.

Subby, go sit in the corner.
You dunce.


Almost none of this is true.
 
2012-09-01 10:03:04 AM
In 1974, University of Virginia researchers discovered something very unlikely. Cannabis, banned in the United States in 1937, and further demonized by the Nixon administration in 1968, had an unexpected property: it inhibited the growth of lung cancer cells. But, even more surprising was the response from the government: an apparent complete absence, even discouragement of any follow-up studies.

http://www.nowpublic.com/health/new-us-study-affirms-smoked-marijuana - protects-against-cancer

Link to study

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_ u ids=1159836&dopt=Citation
 
2012-09-01 10:04:49 AM

ph0rk: Crudbucket: rocky_howard: Crudbucket: Well then you're doing it wrong. There are plastic disposable tips that you put on the end of the hose to avoid swapping spit. I've never been to a professional hookah bar that didn't use them. If you're sitting around in your back yard sharing a hose with a circle of friends, that's on you.

I don't do the hoookah thing, you retard.

lol at "professional hookah bar".

Why is it that people love to throw out that "professional" word as if it mean something?

Oh noes, I've been zinged!

I'm in Kuwait, so "professional hookah bar" is actually a pretty big thing over here.

There are shiat-tons of them in London, too.


We've got a bunch in New York, mainly concentrated in the East Village (college/post college) and in Astoria (Middle Easterners).
 
2012-09-01 10:05:38 AM

NickelP: TommyymmoT: Relatively Obscure: TommyymmoT: And who the hell smokes ANYTHING for 80 MINUTES?

TFA: In contrast, waterpipe sessions typically last 20-80 minutes, during which the smoker may take 50-20 puffs which each range from 0.15 to one liter each.

"The waterpipe smoker may therefore inhale as much smoke during one session as a cigarette smoker would inhale consuming 100 or more cigarettes," the WHO said.

So, assume your experience lands you at 10 minutes. That's.. 12.5 cigs in 10 minutes.

But, meh. I don't think anyone's smoking because they believe it's awesome for them, so I don't see the sense in defending any particular method.

I'm not defending anything, and certainly not smoking.
I just think it it's more cigarette company propaganda.

These studies on hookah always seem like such bullshiat. I am not saying it is safe, because I know it isn't, but to say smoking a hookah for 10 minutes is the same as 12.5 cigs is just dishonest and this would be obvious to anyone who has ever smoked one.


So, do you just hate science in general or simply dismiss any evidence that doesn't reaffirm your preexisting prejudices?
 
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