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(The Raw Story)   Police admit to infiltrating Occupy Austin, may have acted as provocateurs to get protesters to commit a felony   (rawstory.com) divider line 122
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2012-09-01 05:59:20 PM

skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what OWS sympathizers believe
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.



I think quoting from your profile on your political views is quite relevant

GWB wasn't a horrible president. Hopeymcchangealot hasn't been horrible as a president, he just happens to fall for the idiocy of free healthcare for all, that we can negotiate with radical islam, and that government spending will solve all problems.

Yep, that explains everything
 
2012-09-01 06:03:02 PM
Just so we are clear; are we arguing that government is good or bad?
 
2012-09-01 06:03:16 PM

cirby: ...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.



How were they definitely really OWS when the group was kicked him out once they started talking about blowing things up?
 
2012-09-01 06:04:10 PM

relcec: sovereign immunity does not work that way!

/if it did, and people could generally sue for the tortious and criminal acts of government officials and agents, do you really think there would be operating funds left to fund the government?



Did you go to the Skinnyhead GED school of law?

You certainly can sue, you don't know what sovereign immunity means, at all.
 
2012-09-01 06:35:36 PM

intelligent comment below:
I think quoting from your profile on your political views is quite relevant

GWB wasn't a horrible president. Hopeymcchangealot hasn't been horrible as a president, he just happens to fall for the idiocy of free healthcare for all, that we can negotiate with radical islam, and that government spending will solve all problems.

Yep, that explains everything


Unlike you.....I clearly label in my profile my political bend. In fact..before you got to the part you quoted, I say this, "I'm a conservative. Make sure to label me aptly so you feel safe whilst responding to my post."(which you've done quite well)

So the safe assumption is that besides attacking me because our opinion is different, you have nothing to offer.

/typical
 
2012-09-01 08:42:14 PM
To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:45 PM

Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.


I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?
 
2012-09-01 09:53:49 PM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


Those guys OWS kicked out repeatedly?

You mean them?

/Fark off. Protesting is a First Amendment right, no matter what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
//And if you can't accept that, why not tell me what part of their message you disagree with?
 
2012-09-01 10:07:59 PM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


This isnt an example of the "no true Scotsman". An agent provocateur doesnt really identify themselves with the movement they are infiltrating.
 
2012-09-01 10:26:23 PM

skipjack: Unlike you.....I clearly label in my profile my political bend. In fact..before you got to the part you quoted, I say this, "I'm a conservative. Make sure to label me aptly so you feel safe whilst responding to my post."(which you've done quite well)

So the safe assumption is that besides attacking me because our opinion is different, you have nothing to offer.

/typical



I'm not attacking you because of a difference of opinion, I'm attacking you because you're uneducated and uninformed about the topics you debate
 
2012-09-01 10:28:12 PM

simplicimus: Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.

I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?



Yes, that's exactly it. Society is full of uneducated people who never learned from history and don't care to ever start. Even though they have the miracle of the internet with countless free ways to educate themselves before they vote and open their mouths. Ignorance is bliss, and keeping quiet and dumb to fit in to the crowd is how the majority will keep living their pathetic lives.
 
2012-09-01 10:38:42 PM

Frederick: cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.

This isnt an example of the "no true Scotsman". An agent provocateur doesnt really identify themselves with the movement they are infiltrating.


PsiChick: cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.

Those guys OWS kicked out repeatedly?

You mean them?

/Fark off. Protesting is a First Amendment right, no matter what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
//And if you can't accept that, why not tell me what part of their message you disagree with?


Arguing against wilfull ignorance gets tiresome, doesn't it? That's one of the big problems with the Occupy movement - most people don't WANT to know anything real about it, too much effort to question the status quo and admit that maybe they should be paying attention to what their elected officials (and non-elected corporate masters) are really doing. By discounting the group based on silly things like "oh they're just trouble makers," they're able to avoid looking at the actual issues.
 
2012-09-01 11:59:24 PM

intelligent comment below: simplicimus: Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.

I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?


Yes, that's exactly it. Society is full of uneducated people who never learned from history and don't care to ever start. Even though they have the miracle of the internet with countless free ways to educate themselves before they vote and open their mouths. Ignorance is bliss, and keeping quiet and dumb to fit in to the crowd is how the majority will keep living their pathetic lives.


You are correct, and I am saddened by that.
 
2012-09-02 01:17:51 AM
Has anyone pointed out that Mannix is not police chief in Austin, yet?
 
2012-09-02 01:26:57 AM
"We obviously had an interest in ensuring people didn't step it up to criminal activity," he said. "There is obviously a vested public interest to make sure that we didn't allow civil unrest, violent actions to occur."

You know what? No. No. The police don't get to say this sort of thing anymore. It is most definitely not obvious that police have a vested interest in these things.  Not anymore.
 
2012-09-02 01:57:42 AM
Kind of like when liberals go to teaparty rallies to yell at black people?
 
2012-09-02 03:56:30 AM
Three undercover cops? Isnt that more than the entire population of "occupy Austin"?
 
2012-09-02 05:08:24 AM

smokesteam: Three undercover cops? Isnt that more than the entire population of "occupy Austin"?


Let's see... one in the mouth, one in the bum, and one in the ear.. nope.
 
2012-09-02 07:42:14 AM

intelligent comment below:

I'm not attacking you because of a difference of opinion, I'm attacking you because you're uneducated and uninformed about the topics you debate


This is what's called a bare assertion.

/The more you know
 
2012-09-02 12:28:52 PM
Pro tip: that portly obnoxious slightly too old to blend in white guy with a grown-out military haircut and wearing random t-shirts that look like they were purchased at Salvation Army yesterday? Yeah, he's a cop.
 
2012-09-02 03:53:10 PM

skipjack: This is what's called a bare assertion.

/The more you know



No, "bare" means I'm just yelling to yell. When you literally have no facts but still choose to debate, don't come crying to me about being mean

Bullseyed: Kind of like when liberals go to teaparty rallies to yell at black people?



We know this isn't true because there's more black people at the GOP convention than a Tea party rally.
 
2012-09-03 09:31:26 AM

bunner: Weaver95: bunner: Weaver95: bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.

that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.

Again?

if it helps any, you may consider the Bush administration as a 'beta test'. And it was a failure too, since if we assume the Bush administration as hijacking the US government out from under Al Gore then why did they give it back once Bush was done with it? the point of a coup is to seize control and keep it. Nobody seizes control and then gives it back.

I suppose, but that rests on one premise. That the offices of government are actually the institutions of governance. The institutions of American governance end with "Inc." Every time you think "conspiracy theory". just say "business plan." Think post Weimar Germany but full of bond brokers instead of wild eyed idealists.


No - they end in Pty Ltd (even though they are 'citizens' their is absolutely no PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY - "sorry man, I was just doing my job, you cannot hold me responsible" -> "sorry you stupid dumb c*nt you are the only person we are holding responsible (even if the law doesn't actually reflect that".
 
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