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2012-08-31 09:42:39 PM
That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.
 
2012-08-31 11:43:56 PM
Is the "Obvious" tag out back getting beaten by the cops?


At the hearing, Dowell told the judge that he had could not produce subpoenaed documents because emails he had sent about the operation from his work computer had been deleted and he had lost a thumb drive containing photos when it dropped out of his pocket and fell in the gutter.

The Statesman reports that Judge Campbell expressed frustration with Dowell, while Garza's attorney remarked, "I think he decided it was time the dog ate his homework."


*oh-snap.jpg*
 
2012-08-31 11:44:01 PM
Color me shocked.

Law enforcement did this sort of shiat in the 60's, no surprise they're doing it now.
 
2012-08-31 11:50:12 PM
Cop boots.
 
2012-08-31 11:51:15 PM
COINTELPRO is alive and well.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:32 PM

feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


They should get a firm slap on the wrist, then.
 
2012-08-31 11:59:13 PM

propasaurus: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

They should get a firm slap on the wrist, then.


After a thorough investigation by their friends colleagues
 
2012-08-31 11:59:36 PM

Weaver95: COINTELPRO is alive and well.


About as surprising as water being wet.
 
2012-09-01 12:28:39 AM
Wanna find the cop?

Suggest a sane plan of action. The one who says "We can blow shiat up too." or other such illegal and stupid acts? That guy is your cop.
 
2012-09-01 12:32:15 AM

Lionel Mandrake: propasaurus: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

They should get a firm slap on the wrist, then.

After a thorough investigation by their friends colleagues


Whoa, whoa... seems a bit harsh, don't you think?
 
2012-09-01 12:37:09 AM
they did this at every major protest i know about. look at their boots. cops are the biggest assholes on the planet. the only good cop is a dead cop. or a cop on TV. they have awesome PR. still, they are total assholes in real life.
 
2012-09-01 12:39:03 AM

King Something: Cop boots.


I see your cop boots and raise you cowboy boots
 
2012-09-01 12:49:01 AM
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2012-09-01 12:57:26 AM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: COINTELPRO is alive and well.

About as surprising as water being wet.


Well, thank goodness they've run out of real crimes to deal with, and have the free time to create their own.
 
2012-09-01 01:11:17 AM
Dicks.
 
2012-09-01 02:11:43 AM

feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


Tell that to the Black Panthers, who got their first weapons and weapon training from an FBI informant.
 
2012-09-01 02:25:16 AM
Lots of us on here called this way back when.
 
2012-09-01 06:05:12 AM
Occupy Occupy
 
2012-09-01 06:05:51 AM

feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


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IT'S AN ENTRAPMENT!
 
2012-09-01 06:10:05 AM
2 to 12 years for putting a plastic pipe over your arms to make it harder to drag you around? Really the fark you say?
 
2012-09-01 06:10:28 AM
set up by the fuzz you say?
 
2012-09-01 06:12:56 AM

feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


Forget it Jake, it's Austin. They can take blood for testing at SWSX without warrant or cause.
 
2012-09-01 06:14:45 AM

timujin: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

Tell that to the Black Panthers, who got their first weapons and weapon training from an FBI informant.


Training, pfft...the FBI was directly complicit in murder in the Bulger case.
 
2012-09-01 06:17:27 AM
Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.
 
2012-09-01 06:18:35 AM
The real issue is why the fark do people continue to be surprised at these things and give cops the benefit of the doubt in the first place?
 
2012-09-01 06:18:44 AM

gaspode: 2 to 12 years for putting a plastic pipe over your arms to make it harder to drag you around? Really the fark you say?


I'm waiting for completely arbitrary and unlimited punishment for any crime or appearance of having committed a crime to be codified into law. Selective enforcement can only help the owners of society so much.
 
2012-09-01 06:23:07 AM

hasty ambush: Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.


It may be Austin, but it's still Texas. And you know, the city where Rick Perry does his three months every year bring Governor.
 
2012-09-01 06:26:18 AM
So, this like, totally absolves OWS of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what OWS sympathizers believe
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.
 
2012-09-01 06:27:51 AM
"We obviously had an interest in ensuring people didn't step it up to criminal activity," he (Police Chief Mannix) said. "There is obviously a vested public interest to make sure that we didn't allow civil unrest, violent actions to occur."
That is so very obvious.
 
2012-09-01 06:30:46 AM
I'll bet that guy who pooped in public was really a cop.
 
2012-09-01 06:35:22 AM

skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what OWS sympathizers believe
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.


Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers. But keep regurgitating that fearful protect the status-quo rhetoric, buddy.
 
2012-09-01 06:36:28 AM
Austin cops:
The Eyes And Ears Of The World Are Upon You

Lawful citizens:
Awesome little digital cameras are $20-$40 bucks now. Get two, so when you're shaken down for your pics, you can surrender the one you weren't using.
 
2012-09-01 06:36:52 AM

skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of casts doubt on the credibility of the police regarding all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.


Yeah, that's about right.
 
2012-09-01 06:52:07 AM
batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.
 
2012-09-01 06:52:56 AM

skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what OWS sympathizers believe
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.


So, this like, totally absolves Tea Party of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what Tea Party sympathizers believe.
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.
 
2012-09-01 06:55:42 AM
*Obviously* any cop that encouraged criminal behavior was actually a member of OWS *all along*, and was retroactively enrolled in the Police Academy by Obama and his magical time machine.

Geez people, didn't you see The Departed? Criminals infiltrate the police all the time! OWS was no grass roots effort, but a skillfully crafted conspiracy decades in the making, just waiting for a bla... er, I mean liberal enough President
 
2012-09-01 07:03:29 AM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.


Well, the Edwardian spy who claims to be loyal to William Wallace and encourages people to saw their balls off ``for freedom'' might not be a true Scotsman.
 
2012-09-01 07:37:05 AM
"If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." -- Malcolm X
 
2012-09-01 07:42:50 AM
Police admit to infiltrating Occupy Austin, may have acted as provocateurs to get protesters to commit a felony

That's CRAZY talk, submitter! The police would NEVER do do this. You guys should all adjust your TINFOIL HATS!
Oh . . . the police are admitting this?

You know, while were on the subject: can someone explain exactly WHY the police response in this country to Occupy demonstrators (or the G8 summit or political demonstrations in general) is so completely batshiat over-the-top? You'd think the cops were expecting a wave of fire-bombings and total anarchy rather than a peaceful demonstration by a bunch of disorganized hippies.
 
2012-09-01 07:48:53 AM

NutWrench: can someone explain exactly WHY the police response in this country to Occupy demonstrators (or the G8 summit or political demonstrations in general) is so completely batshiat over-the-top?


Cops get so few chances to use their toys....
 
2012-09-01 07:52:53 AM
Not happy!

I do not pay taxes so a public servant can subvert protests groups. Our police forces have been planting people in groups LONG TERM and this is just wrong.

What a job some of these cops have - bonking hippy chicks and bumbing about for years, rather than actually doing the job we pay them to do.

The UK cops fathered kids whilst pretending to be nice people
 
2012-09-01 07:56:39 AM

propasaurus: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

They should get a firm slap on the wrist, then.


Maybe even some paid time off so they can contemplate the bad thing they did.
 
2012-09-01 07:57:42 AM
Another victory for the good guys! I want ANYONE who shows open dissent against the State to feel the full force of Justice. These young americans who are protesting are often the groups that harbour terrorist agendas and should be targeted and treated as a burgeoning criminal entity.


First they put the frog into the pot, then they every so slowly turn up the temperature a little bit, over time. Give the frog a few distractions along the way and voila, you have frog legs~
 
2012-09-01 08:03:12 AM

fusillade762: Is the "Obvious" tag out back getting beaten by the cops?


At the hearing, Dowell told the judge that he had could not produce subpoenaed documents because emails he had sent about the operation from his work computer had been deleted and he had lost a thumb drive containing photos when it dropped out of his pocket and fell in the gutter.

The Statesman reports that Judge Campbell expressed frustration with Dowell, while Garza's attorney remarked, "I think he decided it was time the dog ate his homework."

*oh-snap.jpg*


Somehow, I'm certain that a decent computer forensic specialist could find that missing data rather quickly.

/have had to do it in various civil cases against the police
//they almost always use the "dog ate my homework" bit
///95% recovery rate. The amusing ones were the recovered e-mails where the officer claiming that data had been lost was found to have sent e-mails telling other officers to delete the data
 
2012-09-01 08:22:29 AM

NutWrench: Police admit to infiltrating Occupy Austin, may have acted as provocateurs to get protesters to commit a felony

That's CRAZY talk, submitter! The police would NEVER do do this. You guys should all adjust your TINFOIL HATS!
Oh . . . the police are admitting this?

You know, while were on the subject: can someone explain exactly WHY the police response in this country to Occupy demonstrators (or the G8 summit or political demonstrations in general) is so completely batshiat over-the-top? You'd think the cops were expecting a wave of fire-bombings and total anarchy rather than a peaceful demonstration by a bunch of disorganized hippies.


I think the WTO riots in Seattle in the late 90s kind of spooked police agencies about these things.
 
2012-09-01 08:23:44 AM
Developing ways to weed out the pigs seems like it'd be a really fun way to contribute to one of those organizations. For instance, I think there was an article here a while back about a guy who used to require all members of his little organized crime group to have huge, kinky orgies. That's going a bit far for a political group, but ideas are ideas.
 
2012-09-01 08:25:17 AM
It's tough to be a hero.

/gyro
 
2012-09-01 08:33:20 AM
Throw the cops in jail instead. What a bunch of assholes.
 
2012-09-01 08:34:40 AM
This reminds me of a similar story. In DC 90% of the campers were reporters for WAPO. Nothing better than manufactured news..
 
2012-09-01 08:41:15 AM
How come the police never infiltrate groups of real criminals in the banks, corporate boardrooms & brokerage firms?

Silly question, I know.
 
2012-09-01 08:42:32 AM

PrinceofFark: Another victory for the good guys! I want ANYONE who shows open dissent against the State to feel the full force of Justice. These young americans who are protesting are often the groups that harbour terrorist agendas and should be targeted and treated as a burgeoning criminal entity.


First they put the frog into the pot, then they every so slowly turn up the temperature a little bit, over time. Give the frog a few distractions along the way and voila, you have frog legs~


It also helps if you can convince them that only the "other" frogs will get cooked. People often are only interested in protecting those rights that are of personal interest to themselves.
 
2012-09-01 08:43:48 AM

PrinceofFark: Another victory for the good guys! I want ANYONE who shows open dissent against the State to feel the full force of Justice. These young americans who are protesting are often the groups that harbour terrorist agendas and should be targeted and treated as a burgeoning criminal entity.


First they put the frog into the pot, then they every so slowly turn up the temperature a little bit, over time. Give the frog a few distractions along the way and voila, you have frog legs~


At least they learned something from the Russian exchange program.
 
2012-09-01 08:46:20 AM

festoon: How come the police never infiltrate groups of real criminals in the banks, corporate boardrooms & brokerage firms?

Silly question, I know.


That would require math skills.
/ dime bag = 10 kilos
 
2012-09-01 08:47:54 AM
"Austin Police Chief Sean Mannix said"...

Actually Sean Mannix is the Assistant Chief. Art Acevedo is the Police Chief, and has been since 2007.
 
2012-09-01 08:54:47 AM
Time to file some class action suits.
 
2012-09-01 08:54:57 AM

hasty ambush: Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.


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feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


sure the police can. there may be a legal defense available because of those actions, but can and do do it all the time.
also, why in the hell is this trial in harris county, which is houston, when travis couny is austin.
and why is the article saying the police chief of austin is someone neamed 'Sean Mannix'
I'm not sure the author is sure what happened/is happening in austin and what is taking place in houston.
 
2012-09-01 08:57:50 AM
Austin isn't as liberal as its reputation makes it out to be. The cops are corrupt and racist, and the town council never saw a development project they didn't like, even if laws have to be broken for it to get built.
 
2012-09-01 09:02:37 AM

Coelacanth: Time to file some class action suits.


i1.kym-cdn.com

sovereign immunity does not work that way!

/if it did, and people could generally sue for the tortious and criminal acts of government officials and agents, do you really think there would be operating funds left to fund the government?
 
2012-09-01 09:02:38 AM

fusillade762: Is the "Obvious" tag out back getting beaten by the cops?


I was thinking, is the Obvious tag deep under cover? But pretty much, this.
 
2012-09-01 09:05:23 AM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


It has to have as much validity of the 'few' bad cops get publicity, making the other 80% look bad. Of course the difference is the 'few' bad OWS protestors will get prosecuted, and will serve as an example for further draconian measures. Opposed to the 'few' bad cops who will have paid leave and go back to work.
 
2012-09-01 09:07:48 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Austin isn't as liberal as its reputation makes it out to be. The cops are corrupt and racist, and the town council never saw a development project they didn't like, even if laws have to be broken for it to get built.


that's bullshiat. the city council is liberal as f*ck. they just banned plastic bags. modern liberalism has no problem dancing with corporate influence.
for f*ck sake the city of berkley gives out special tax breaks to select rich corporations. if we listened to you we couldn't call anywhere in the u.s. liberal.
additionally police are hyper violent everywhere, and sure don't recall this force being racist as you claim.
 
2012-09-01 09:13:42 AM
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2012-09-01 09:36:04 AM
Anyone remember the protests at Montebello, Quebec where agent provacateurs were found: Link (video link).

Saw a webpage that showed everything that stunk about it. Protesters had police boots, they talked to the police just before taken into "custody", they push through riot police lines and were treated with kid gloves, and when removed from the scene, were done so with their masks in place and no cop would have ever left their masks in place. Another linky

Gotta give credit to the older guy in the video. He handled the situation very well. Off all the people on the protesters side of the line, the only ones carrying rocks were the cops.
 
2012-09-01 09:37:55 AM

hasty ambush: Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.


Were you under the impression that the constitution is any more likely to be respected in places where the elected officials are liberal? Let's just momentarily put aside that both conservatives and liberals routinely subvert the constitution in pursuit of their own interests or in the name of what they consider the public good. It's still the case that the state is mostly run by career bureaucrats who have had years and years to build up their power structures. In principle, the police chief and his cronies have to do what they're told by duly elected representatives of the people. In practice, they have ways of making the lives of politicians miserable.
 
2012-09-01 10:22:00 AM
deadcrickets:
So, this like, totally absolves Tea Party of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

Such as...

Um...

Yeah, I'm drawing a blank. Didn't one guy jaywalk that one time? And that other guy was illegally parked for a good five minutes when he was waiting to pick up his wife at the curb.

Scofflaws, the bunch of them.
 
2012-09-01 10:25:58 AM
It's like the '60s never went away man....
 
2012-09-01 10:49:40 AM
If what they Occupiers are claiming is true -- that he collected money, purchased and constructed the devices -- than the police officer is actually a party the crime and should be charged. This would be true whether or not the Occupiers were predisposed to committing the offense.
 
2012-09-01 10:56:41 AM

JeffreyScott: If what they Occupiers are claiming is true -- that he collected money, purchased and constructed the devices -- than the police officer is actually a party the crime and should be charged. This would be true whether or not the Occupiers were predisposed to committing the offense.


which of course is something that will never happen. the prosecutor will decline to pursue charges, the press either wont' report the story or they'll slant it to make the cops look like the hero. then the protesters who were charged will quietly have the charges against them dropped and warned to STFU about it or they'll go back into a cage forever.

we've seen this exact scenario happen time and time again.
 
2012-09-01 11:27:06 AM
"People are camped in the streets protesting douchebags!"

"What should we do?"

"Be BIGGER douchebags!"

"That's why you made captain, sir!"

The table is tilted, the game is rigged and the most worrisome thing you can do is to notice and gather, en mass, and say so.

Fascinating little array of freedoms we're protecting from the sekrit muzlims, here.

Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.
 
2012-09-01 11:31:04 AM

bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.


that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.
 
2012-09-01 11:31:43 AM

Weaver95: bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.

that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.


Again?
 
2012-09-01 11:35:09 AM
Cops acting like cops? Impossibru!
 
2012-09-01 11:43:32 AM

bunner: Weaver95: bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.

that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.

Again?


if it helps any, you may consider the Bush administration as a 'beta test'. And it was a failure too, since if we assume the Bush administration as hijacking the US government out from under Al Gore then why did they give it back once Bush was done with it? the point of a coup is to seize control and keep it. Nobody seizes control and then gives it back.
 
2012-09-01 11:49:08 AM

Weaver95: bunner: Weaver95: bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.

that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.

Again?

if it helps any, you may consider the Bush administration as a 'beta test'. And it was a failure too, since if we assume the Bush administration as hijacking the US government out from under Al Gore then why did they give it back once Bush was done with it? the point of a coup is to seize control and keep it. Nobody seizes control and then gives it back.


I suppose, but that rests on one premise. That the offices of government are actually the institutions of governance. The institutions of American governance end with "Inc." Every time you think "conspiracy theory". just say "business plan." Think post Weimar Germany but full of bond brokers instead of wild eyed idealists.
 
2012-09-01 12:08:52 PM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


And were those wannabe bombers the majority of the OWS people in that area? You're reading comprehension sucks. Go be terrified somewhere else. you Nancy.
 
2012-09-01 12:12:13 PM

bunner:

I suppose, but that rests on one premise. That the offices of government are actually the institutions of governance. The institutions of American governance end with "Inc." Every time you think "conspiracy theory". just say "business plan." Think post Weimar Germany but full of bond brokers instead of wild eyed idealists.


there's some truth to that - the idea that corporations and institutions are more or less running the machinery of government without any oversight or input from 'we the people'. But we still have our elected officials and sometimes they can affect change against the wishes of the corporations. most of them don't bother, I grant you...but power is not as easily contained when you have to hide your influence from the unwashed masses.
 
2012-09-01 12:16:43 PM

Weaver95: But we still have our elected officials and sometimes they can affect change against the wishes of the corporations


Ever wonder why somebody will spend 30 million of begged and borrowed money to get a 400,000.00 a year job that you automatically get fired from in 8 years?
 
2012-09-01 12:20:57 PM
Seven protestors who used the devices while blocking a port entrance in Houston last December 12 have been charged with a felony and face jail terms of from two to ten years under what the Statesman calls "an obscure statute that prohibits using a device that is manufactured or adapted for the purpose of participating in a crime."

What the fark is this?? They put their arms through PVC pipes to make it more difficult to be carted away and the f*cking DA bumps the charge to a felony??

Christ, what an asshole.
 
2012-09-01 12:23:24 PM

relcec: why in the hell is this trial in harris county, which is houston, when travis couny is austin.
and why is the article saying the police chief of austin is someone neamed 'Sean Mannix'
I'm not sure the author is sure what happened/is happening in austin and what is taking place in houston.


Because a bunch of Occupy Austin people came and joined Occupy Houston for a protest at the Port of Houston, which is where they used the lock devices built by the cop that resulted in the felony charges. Therefore, the trial is in Harris County, where it all went down. I mean really, it's not that hard to go between Austin and Houston, and Occupy Austin and Occupy Houston are reeeaaaaly closely interlinked- as in, a bunch of Houston occupiers moved to Austin, and now the two groups coordinate as one.

I spent a little bit of time in an art group run by some of these folks, hoping to re-energize my photography hobby. Gave up on it when it became clear that it was waaaay too hippy-disorganized and more politically oriented than I was comfortable with. Also, my pot allergy made them seriously difficult to be around.. >.>

/Yeah, yeah, csb..
 
2012-09-01 12:23:34 PM
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understands all too well.
 
2012-09-01 12:41:53 PM

srv0: "Austin Police Chief Sean Mannix said"...



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2012-09-01 01:14:49 PM
relcec (farkied: Douchebag who uses "Democrat" as an adjective): that's bullshiat. the city council is liberal as f*ck. they just banned plastic bags.

The horror.

modern liberalism has no problem dancing with corporate influence.

Hey waitafugginminute, I thought B. Hussein Osama was a Marxist who hated rich people and therefore America!

for f*ck sake the city of berkley gives out special tax breaks to select rich corporations. if we listened to you we couldn't call anywhere in the u.s. liberal.

*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*

Now you're beginning to get it. The USA does not have a political left worthy of the name.
 
2012-09-01 01:43:57 PM
Police taking lessons from the WBC?
 
2012-09-01 01:44:33 PM

electricity19: relcec: why in the hell is this trial in harris county, which is houston, when travis couny is austin.
and why is the article saying the police chief of austin is someone neamed 'Sean Mannix'
I'm not sure the author is sure what happened/is happening in austin and what is taking place in houston.

Because a bunch of Occupy Austin people came and joined Occupy Houston for a protest at the Port of Houston, which is where they used the lock devices built by the cop that resulted in the felony charges. Therefore, the trial is in Harris County, where it all went down. I mean really, it's not that hard to go between Austin and Houston, and Occupy Austin and Occupy Houston are reeeaaaaly closely interlinked- as in, a bunch of Houston occupiers moved to Austin, and now the two groups coordinate as one.


so an austin police officer was in houston buying pvc pipe to help them resist arrest? and why are they talking about an austin police chief who doesn't exist?
 
2012-09-01 01:46:25 PM

Lee Jackson Beauregard: relcec (farkied: Douchebag who uses "Democrat" as an adjective): that's bullshiat. the city council is liberal as f*ck. they just banned plastic bags.

The horror.

modern liberalism has no problem dancing with corporate influence.

Hey waitafugginminute, I thought B. Hussein Osama was a Marxist who hated rich people and therefore America!

for f*ck sake the city of berkley gives out special tax breaks to select rich corporations. if we listened to you we couldn't call anywhere in the u.s. liberal.

*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*DING*

Now you're beginning to get it. The USA does not have a political left worthy of the name.


bye.
 
2012-09-01 02:44:28 PM

simplicimus: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

Forget it Jake, it's Austin. They can take blood for testing at SWSX without warrant or cause.


Not quite true. If you refuse they have a judge on hand to get the warrant. As for cause, that's allegedly proven to the judge.
 
2012-09-01 02:49:25 PM

feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.


You think people who make and enforce laws obey the laws or have any sense of moral decency. You're cute. Naive, but cute.
Most of what is done to protest movements by the police is not legally allowed. You think they're ever gonna face anything beyond a firing or a slap on the wrist?
 
2012-09-01 02:51:54 PM

cirby: Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


Are you retarded?
You realize they were ex-Occupiers, because they thought Occupy was too peaceful for them?
 
2012-09-01 02:51:56 PM

SharkTrager: simplicimus: feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

Forget it Jake, it's Austin. They can take blood for testing at SWSX without warrant or cause.

Not quite true. If you refuse they have a judge on hand to get the warrant. As for cause, that's allegedly proven to the judge.


Still, I can see using a breathalyzer for Public Intoxication, but being at an event is not cause.
 
2012-09-01 02:54:28 PM

m2313: cirby: Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.

Are you retarded?
You realize they were ex-Occupiers, because they thought Occupy was too peaceful for them?


So, the return of the Weather Underground? Cause they were pretty inept too.
 
2012-09-01 02:57:59 PM
One has to wonder how many crimes were simply the result of our country's own police forces. The recent This American Life episode about an FBI agent "infiltrating" a peaceful mosque is another good example of this phenomenon.

For all this political talk about "liberty" and such, you don't hear anyone speak about shutting down our country's out of control secret police.
 
2012-09-01 03:00:33 PM

NutWrench: You know, while were on the subject: can someone explain exactly WHY the police response in this country to Occupy demonstrators (or the G8 summit or political demonstrations in general) is so completely batshiat over-the-top? You'd think the cops were expecting a wave of fire-bombings and total anarchy rather than a peaceful demonstration by a bunch of disorganized hippies.


It's been like this since forever.
The original Red Scares. The 60s. And since then. I mean, environmental, anarchist, and anti-war groups have already been farked with.
It pretty much goes like this. State force's true purpose is to defend property/capital/profit. Everything else is just icing on the cake. Imposed disorder by the police that makes things chaotic, then they use that chaos to convince us we need them. Look at what happens when they leave like the general strike in Seattle during the labor movement or when the guards abandoned the Walpole Massachusetts prison and prisoner infighting/crime practically dropped to zero over night.
The Tea Party, violent as they are, don't resist or do anything out of the ordinary in public. They don't protest, they rally and fundraise. They have a corporate media on their side, they had a party pre-established for them, and the fundraising of private rich individuals. Their agenda would have done nothing but make the rich richer and marginalize resistance. Occupy on the other hand is offhandedly ignored or slandered by the media. They stand for some semblance of real progress/change. They refuse to be co-opted by either party, as theirs is a bipartisan resistance to the class war coming from above.
The TP stands to make the bastards more money and promise to be more obedient. They have a pre-set PR and political infastructure, and they do the "lone wolf" thing and cut a Congressman's gas line here or there, or shoot up a Unitarian church or etc.
The Occupy/other movements intend to actually change something and get their cut of the pie and promise disobedience until otherwise. They have no pre-set PR or political infastructure. And when they are "violent" it's because they're in a mass crowd being attacked by riot police and so when they fight back you can say "hey look they're rioting".
 
2012-09-01 03:11:20 PM
Bunch of dicks.
 
2012-09-01 04:35:17 PM

deadcrickets:
So, this like, totally absolves Tea Party of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what Tea Party sympathizers believe.
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.


They could, apparently you know them better than me.
 
2012-09-01 04:38:55 PM

Z-clipped: skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of casts doubt on the credibility of the police regarding all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

Yeah, that's about right.


Thanks for proving my point.

If OWS had actually been vigilant in making sure their members didn't break the law in the first place...there wouldn't be anything to cast doubt on.

Remember when MLK jumped up on the police car and dropped the kids off at the pool? Ya..me neither.
 
2012-09-01 05:14:46 PM

relcec: hasty ambush: Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.

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feckingmorons: That is not allowed. They can join, but they can't encourage or assist with illegal acts.

sure the police can. there may be a legal defense available because of those actions, but can and do do it all the time.
also, why in the hell is this trial in harris county, which is houston, when travis couny is austin.
and why is the article saying the police chief of austin is someone neamed 'Sean Mannix'
I'm not sure the author is sure what happened/is happening in austin and what is taking place in houston.


Why Harris County? Because Travis County is completely inept, where as Harris County is only completely corrupt.
True Story: My Stepson was arrested in Austin, gave a full signed confession, and it only took 3 and a half years for him to get sentenced.
 
2012-09-01 05:18:01 PM
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"Lockbox"?? OK, I had to look this up.

Instead of just a sleeve of pipe covering holding hands, they've effectively handcuffed themselves in, so no active hold by the person is needed. Even pepper spraying, tasering, sleep, or rendering then unconscious wouldn't make them let go and won't allow you to remove them.

But the person can just voluntarily unhook themselves at any time, yet no one else can. OK, clever. Maybe the dumbest thing ever created, but clever.

Wow, the practical problems of removing people from this are pretty spectacular. You'd have to attack it with a chop saw or jaws-o'-life, but you can't hurt the people either. A plasma torch could open that up real fast but I couldn't guarantee you won't scorch the person inside, especially if I don't know the exact construction for sure.

Even if there were no barrel, just a pipe, and they were both still mobile, the police procedure would be all messed up. You can't handcuff them or use the normal holds to push them into a police car. They could even keep it up during booking and holding, which would create oddities in processing that could be the basis for lawsuits (putting a male in a female holding cell, or vice-versa) or at least dismissal of charges.
 
2012-09-01 05:37:43 PM

hasty ambush: Amusing. Pollitcally correct, liberal Austin. A town run by liberals, doing something like this. Amusing.


It's an odd situation. Austin's liberal and VERY profitable for all. Silicon Hills. There's a ton of engineering and silicon and art here, and in general the engineers and tech people are liberal or fairly neutral.

We're surrounded by Texas. Land of fairly angry conservatives. Rewriting textbooks to exclude historical fact and evolution, experimenting with bizarre abortion restrictions, banning gay marriage seem to be top agenda issues. Then there's secessionists (seriously) who are certain Texas would be a paradise for the world to behold if it were its own country, beholden to no one. And a buncha quacks who insist the whole problem is we have to return to the gold standard.

We also have a huge legal, voting Hispanic population. They're hardly liberal hippies but a very different sort of conservative. One thing noted, for example, is that Hispanic culture disapproves highly of abortion- but on a personal and familial level. They don't generally give any thought to pursuing a ban through the government.

Austin's the capital of Texas (NOT Houston- don't make that mistake plz). Yet despite being the capital, and the cash cow of the tax base, Austin's views have little representation at the state level and pretty much zilch at the federal level, and Rick Perry ain't exactly popular here. That's largely due to gerrymandering, and 2003 redistricting debacle was basically a Republican takeover. Yet Austin DOES get plenty of government support for its business growth.

It's... complicated.
 
2012-09-01 05:41:22 PM

relcec: electricity19: relcec: why in the hell is this trial in harris county, which is houston, when travis couny is austin.
and why is the article saying the police chief of austin is someone neamed 'Sean Mannix'
I'm not sure the author is sure what happened/is happening in austin and what is taking place in houston.

Because a bunch of Occupy Austin people came and joined Occupy Houston for a protest at the Port of Houston, which is where they used the lock devices built by the cop that resulted in the felony charges. Therefore, the trial is in Harris County, where it all went down. I mean really, it's not that hard to go between Austin and Houston, and Occupy Austin and Occupy Houston are reeeaaaaly closely interlinked- as in, a bunch of Houston occupiers moved to Austin, and now the two groups coordinate as one.


so an austin police officer was in houston buying pvc pipe to help them resist arrest? and why are they talking about an austin police chief who doesn't exist?


Not exactly. An Austin cop convinced Occupy Austin to use the devices, procured PVC pipe and other materials (chains, handcuffs) in Austin, built the locking pipe devices, and helped transport them and implement them in a protest in Houston. The felony charges relate to the utilization of the devices, not to building or possessing them.

The Austin police chief thing, though, is just shiatty fact checking. Mannix, (as a quick google search confirms), is an ASSISTANT police chief. THAT part of it is, in fact, the fault of an idiot reporter not verifying people's actual positions and identities.
 
2012-09-01 05:53:43 PM

Zeno-25: Developing ways to weed out the pigs seems like it'd be a really fun way to contribute to one of those organizations. For instance, I think there was an article here a while back about a guy who used to require all members of his little organized crime group to have huge, kinky orgies. That's going a bit far for a political group, but ideas are ideas.


Eeew. Having seen some of the members it would seem that the orgy requirement might weed out more than a few legit members also. I have to do what with who?
 
2012-09-01 05:59:20 PM

skipjack: So, this like, totally absolves OWS of all the crimes they've ever committed everywhere.

/This is what OWS sympathizers believe
//Cops should serve the sentence in place of the people they provoked.



I think quoting from your profile on your political views is quite relevant

GWB wasn't a horrible president. Hopeymcchangealot hasn't been horrible as a president, he just happens to fall for the idiocy of free healthcare for all, that we can negotiate with radical islam, and that government spending will solve all problems.

Yep, that explains everything
 
2012-09-01 06:03:02 PM
Just so we are clear; are we arguing that government is good or bad?
 
2012-09-01 06:03:16 PM

cirby: ...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.



How were they definitely really OWS when the group was kicked him out once they started talking about blowing things up?
 
2012-09-01 06:04:10 PM

relcec: sovereign immunity does not work that way!

/if it did, and people could generally sue for the tortious and criminal acts of government officials and agents, do you really think there would be operating funds left to fund the government?



Did you go to the Skinnyhead GED school of law?

You certainly can sue, you don't know what sovereign immunity means, at all.
 
2012-09-01 06:35:36 PM

intelligent comment below:
I think quoting from your profile on your political views is quite relevant

GWB wasn't a horrible president. Hopeymcchangealot hasn't been horrible as a president, he just happens to fall for the idiocy of free healthcare for all, that we can negotiate with radical islam, and that government spending will solve all problems.

Yep, that explains everything


Unlike you.....I clearly label in my profile my political bend. In fact..before you got to the part you quoted, I say this, "I'm a conservative. Make sure to label me aptly so you feel safe whilst responding to my post."(which you've done quite well)

So the safe assumption is that besides attacking me because our opinion is different, you have nothing to offer.

/typical
 
2012-09-01 08:42:14 PM
To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.
 
2012-09-01 09:38:45 PM

Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.


I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?
 
2012-09-01 09:53:49 PM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


Those guys OWS kicked out repeatedly?

You mean them?

/Fark off. Protesting is a First Amendment right, no matter what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
//And if you can't accept that, why not tell me what part of their message you disagree with?
 
2012-09-01 10:07:59 PM

cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.


This isnt an example of the "no true Scotsman". An agent provocateur doesnt really identify themselves with the movement they are infiltrating.
 
2012-09-01 10:26:23 PM

skipjack: Unlike you.....I clearly label in my profile my political bend. In fact..before you got to the part you quoted, I say this, "I'm a conservative. Make sure to label me aptly so you feel safe whilst responding to my post."(which you've done quite well)

So the safe assumption is that besides attacking me because our opinion is different, you have nothing to offer.

/typical



I'm not attacking you because of a difference of opinion, I'm attacking you because you're uneducated and uninformed about the topics you debate
 
2012-09-01 10:28:12 PM

simplicimus: Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.

I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?



Yes, that's exactly it. Society is full of uneducated people who never learned from history and don't care to ever start. Even though they have the miracle of the internet with countless free ways to educate themselves before they vote and open their mouths. Ignorance is bliss, and keeping quiet and dumb to fit in to the crowd is how the majority will keep living their pathetic lives.
 
2012-09-01 10:38:42 PM

Frederick: cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.

This isnt an example of the "no true Scotsman". An agent provocateur doesnt really identify themselves with the movement they are infiltrating.


PsiChick: cirby: batcookie:
Except that most Occupiers don't commit crimes, only a handful. And it seems among those handful, some aren't really even Occupiers.

Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. Yeah, that'll work.

...except for the guys who wanted to blow up that bridge in Cleveland, who were definitely, really OWS supporters (except for the FBI guy who infiltrated them). The building they used in Cleveland was leased by one of the wannabe bombers.

Those guys OWS kicked out repeatedly?

You mean them?

/Fark off. Protesting is a First Amendment right, no matter what Rush Limbaugh tells you.
//And if you can't accept that, why not tell me what part of their message you disagree with?


Arguing against wilfull ignorance gets tiresome, doesn't it? That's one of the big problems with the Occupy movement - most people don't WANT to know anything real about it, too much effort to question the status quo and admit that maybe they should be paying attention to what their elected officials (and non-elected corporate masters) are really doing. By discounting the group based on silly things like "oh they're just trouble makers," they're able to avoid looking at the actual issues.
 
2012-09-01 11:59:24 PM

intelligent comment below: simplicimus: Frederick: To most Americans it simply will not be believed that the "good"guys would do this. Plus it gives boot lickers the ability to point at protestors and demonstrators and say "they're bad, do un-American things to them" dear police.

I went through this crap 40 years ago. What gives, those who remember history are doomed to see it repeated?


Yes, that's exactly it. Society is full of uneducated people who never learned from history and don't care to ever start. Even though they have the miracle of the internet with countless free ways to educate themselves before they vote and open their mouths. Ignorance is bliss, and keeping quiet and dumb to fit in to the crowd is how the majority will keep living their pathetic lives.


You are correct, and I am saddened by that.
 
2012-09-02 01:17:51 AM
Has anyone pointed out that Mannix is not police chief in Austin, yet?
 
2012-09-02 01:26:57 AM
"We obviously had an interest in ensuring people didn't step it up to criminal activity," he said. "There is obviously a vested public interest to make sure that we didn't allow civil unrest, violent actions to occur."

You know what? No. No. The police don't get to say this sort of thing anymore. It is most definitely not obvious that police have a vested interest in these things.  Not anymore.
 
2012-09-02 01:57:42 AM
Kind of like when liberals go to teaparty rallies to yell at black people?
 
2012-09-02 03:56:30 AM
Three undercover cops? Isnt that more than the entire population of "occupy Austin"?
 
2012-09-02 05:08:24 AM

smokesteam: Three undercover cops? Isnt that more than the entire population of "occupy Austin"?


Let's see... one in the mouth, one in the bum, and one in the ear.. nope.
 
2012-09-02 07:42:14 AM

intelligent comment below:

I'm not attacking you because of a difference of opinion, I'm attacking you because you're uneducated and uninformed about the topics you debate


This is what's called a bare assertion.

/The more you know
 
2012-09-02 12:28:52 PM
Pro tip: that portly obnoxious slightly too old to blend in white guy with a grown-out military haircut and wearing random t-shirts that look like they were purchased at Salvation Army yesterday? Yeah, he's a cop.
 
2012-09-02 03:53:10 PM

skipjack: This is what's called a bare assertion.

/The more you know



No, "bare" means I'm just yelling to yell. When you literally have no facts but still choose to debate, don't come crying to me about being mean

Bullseyed: Kind of like when liberals go to teaparty rallies to yell at black people?



We know this isn't true because there's more black people at the GOP convention than a Tea party rally.
 
2012-09-03 09:31:26 AM

bunner: Weaver95: bunner: Weaver95: bunner: "
Wake me up for the next Reichstag fire.

that won't happen 'till around 2018 or so. Democrats are far too disorganized to pull something like that off. it'd take a Republican administration to effectively seize control over the government.

Again?

if it helps any, you may consider the Bush administration as a 'beta test'. And it was a failure too, since if we assume the Bush administration as hijacking the US government out from under Al Gore then why did they give it back once Bush was done with it? the point of a coup is to seize control and keep it. Nobody seizes control and then gives it back.

I suppose, but that rests on one premise. That the offices of government are actually the institutions of governance. The institutions of American governance end with "Inc." Every time you think "conspiracy theory". just say "business plan." Think post Weimar Germany but full of bond brokers instead of wild eyed idealists.


No - they end in Pty Ltd (even though they are 'citizens' their is absolutely no PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY - "sorry man, I was just doing my job, you cannot hold me responsible" -> "sorry you stupid dumb c*nt you are the only person we are holding responsible (even if the law doesn't actually reflect that".
 
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