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2012-08-31 04:38:26 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!


You're a good little soldier, yes you are!
 
2012-08-31 04:38:46 PM  

WombatControl: CBO


Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).
 
2012-08-31 04:38:50 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says


To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:03 PM  
I think

mrshowrules: twobux: Still not believing it. Electoral-vote.com still shows President Obama up 332-206. But if Romney picks up Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and North Carolina from Obama in '08, it's 269-269. Romney-Biden, baby!

I don't believe in demonic girls climbing out of wells to be real either but I though the "The Ring" was scary. When Moore says we should get use to the term "President Romney" I shat myself.


Not me, I made another bomb.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:43 PM  

Serious Black: tinyarena: "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'

Okay, let's give it a try:
President Etch-a-Sketch
Hmmm,,,nope
President Vulture Capitalist
Damn, not even close
President Right Wing Reactionary
Oh now COME ON!
President Off-Shoring

Dang! This is harder than I thought!

President Schrödinger?


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-08-31 04:40:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-08-31 04:40:27 PM  

Decillion: tricycleracer: Can we all agree as a nation that Michael Moore is a waste of space?

He's the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll attack him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Derp Knight.


FTFY
 
2012-08-31 04:40:45 PM  
I prefer The Schrödinger's President.
if romney wins simply on the fact that he gets fistfulls of cash in comparison to obamas fundraising, this country is off the farking cliff.
especially after he gets hung out to dry in the debates.
he took a 4 point dip FROM HIS OWN CONVENTION. spend yer way out of nate silver predictions, i dare you.
 
2012-08-31 04:41:26 PM  

vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.


Bless your heart...
 
2012-08-31 04:41:37 PM  

vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.


As is Christie. A bigger, fatter douche than Moore actually.
 
2012-08-31 04:41:54 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!


So when, exactly, are the CBO's predictions correct?
 
2012-08-31 04:41:55 PM  

karmaceutical: WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!

You're a good little soldier, yes you are!


I'm going to need more statisticals.
 
2012-08-31 04:42:31 PM  

karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...


Not sure what you mean by that.
 
2012-08-31 04:42:45 PM  

j_twelve: Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.

notsureifserious.jpg


They are, just not on defense or prisons. All the social programs though...
 
2012-08-31 04:42:58 PM  
Guess we'll see in November...
 
2012-08-31 04:43:08 PM  

Tor_Eckman: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

As is Christie. A bigger, fatter douche than Moore actually.


I'm not going to argue with that. I really am not up on Christie's views.
 
2012-08-31 04:43:28 PM  
Ar-mun-nee...Ar-mun-nee...Ar-mun-nee...

Hey I got it!
 
2012-08-31 04:43:33 PM  
Aw, what happened to WombatControl?
 
2012-08-31 04:44:49 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: j_twelve: Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.

notsureifserious.jpg

They are, just not on defense or prisons. All the social programs though...


Nor on enforcement of certain laws. Nor are they fiscally concerned when it comes to building a huge wall. Along the Southern Border. Not the Northern one. Not that race has anything to do with it.
 
2012-08-31 04:45:12 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).


I know how the CBO works. (And knowing is half the battle!)

By law, the CBO has to score a bill exactly as Congress writes it. The CBO is not allowed to look at the real-world effects of a bill, because there are a lot of subjective considerations that have to be taken into effect. So if Congress writes a bill that says "We're going to spend a trillion dollars, but we'll magically find a trillion dollar bill in the national sofa cushion" the CBO will score that bill as being revenue neutral.

What Obamacare did was make huge and utterly ridiculous assumptions about revenue. They said CLASS would give $200B in revenue - that's already been shiatcanned. They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen and B) that money can't both be used for paying for Obamacare and going back to the Medicare Trust Fund. The CBO looked at a bill that would cost a trillion but had a pile of worthless revenue predictions and said it would save money. But just with the CLASS part failing, that's no longer true.

That's not the CBO's fault - they are garbage in/garbage out in terms of what the legislation says. The fault is that Congress decided to play games with CBO scoring rather than being honest. And if that becomes a trend, CBO scoring will become virtually worthless.
 
2012-08-31 04:45:22 PM  
I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

especially when the have all the billionaires,a good portion of the media and religious zealotry behind them
 
2012-08-31 04:45:35 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


You'll get there. Keep trying!
 
2012-08-31 04:45:36 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Aw, what happened to WombatControl?


He found out he can lick his own statisticals.
 
2012-08-31 04:46:07 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).


We should really start keeping track of all the threads in which the righty-trolls cite things like the CBO, Politifact, etc so we can post every single one of them whenever they try to discredit them when they say things they don't like.
 
2012-08-31 04:46:38 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


It seems to be a nice southern way of saying you are dumb as fark.
 
BOZ
2012-08-31 04:46:53 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


It's a southern thing meaning: you sure are a stupid farking idiot, but I'll be polite about how I say it
 
2012-08-31 04:48:46 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Aw, what happened to WombatControl?


He's been full retard for a while. It's just particularly effective since he knows how to run with a tiny grain of truth.
 
2012-08-31 04:48:58 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).

I know how the CBO works. (And knowing is half the battle!)

By law, the CBO has to score a bill exactly as Congress writes it. The CBO is not allowed to look at the real-world effects of a bill, because there are a lot of subjective considerations that have to be taken into effect. So if Congress writes a bill that says "We're going to spend a trillion dollars, but we'll magically find a trillion dollar bill in the national sofa cushion" the CBO will score that bill as being revenue neutral.

What Obamacare did was make huge and utterly ridiculous assumptions about revenue. They said CLASS would give $200B in revenue - that's already been shiatcanned. They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen and B) that money can't both be used for paying for Obamacare and going back to the Medicare Trust Fund. The CBO looked at a bill that would cost a trillion but had a pile of worthless revenue predictions and said it would save money. But just with the CLASS part failing, that's no longer true.

That's not the CBO's fault - they are garbage in/garbage out in terms of what the legislation says. The fault is that Congress decided to play games with CBO scoring rather than being honest. And if that becomes a trend, CBO scoring will become virtually worthless.


I'd say it already has given how Paul Ryan had the CBO score his budget with magical assumptions of tax revenues and job growth.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:06 PM  

karmaceutical: vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.

You'll get there. Keep trying!


You sound concerned.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:29 PM  

WombatControl: How, you ask?


You mean the same payment reduction that Ryan intends to do? You may want to explain how it's bad if Obama does it, but good if it's part of the Ryan/Romney plan.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:30 PM  

WombatControl: I know how the CBO works.


You sure about that? From that link:

"What Blahous calls "double counting" is actually the "unified budget process," an accounting method that considers the spending and revenues of the entire federal budget over a 10 year period and the way Congress keeps track of its dollars. It's the same math that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) relied on to conclude in 2010 that the law "would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenues."
 
2012-08-31 04:50:54 PM  
What kind of turnout problem would Obama have to have before getting in trouble? I think it would have to be close to historic--and across the board. So even if the 20something don't show up like 2008 you would have to see the same from minorities and women as well.

It's pretty fair to say that if even a halfway-respectable portion of Americans show up on election day the the President is pretty safe. Yeah, Romney has his base, but it doesn't look as formidable was it even in 2004.

So do your duty and nag people to vote. Guilt always works. If enough people wake up that Tuesday morning and say, "Ah well, might as well get this shiat over with" then that's all she wrote.
 
2012-08-31 04:51:25 PM  

WombatControl: They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen


Why not?
 
2012-08-31 04:51:38 PM  
If he meant it in the sense of "If you don't get up off your lazy ass and vote, you'd best start thinking about those words" or even "President Romney is still a possibility, be scared of this, go vote," then hey, I'm all right with this.
 
2012-08-31 04:52:17 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.

You'll get there. Keep trying!

You sound concerned.


FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?
 
2012-08-31 04:53:15 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: It seems to be a nice southern way of saying you are dumb as fark.


BOZ: It's a southern thing meaning: you sure are a stupid farking idiot, but I'll be polite about how I say it


Ah. Well, if one is white-knighting for Michael Moore, one isn't in exactly the strongest position to comment on anyone else's intelligence.
 
2012-08-31 04:53:57 PM  

CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.


He could easily be right. There have been more crazy gaps that have been closed and overcome.

Every pro Obama person seems convinced that Obama is going to win. That alone should scare the Democrats. People that say "I'm voting, I always vote, I'm voting for Obama" have a good chance of sitting on the couch (who will know?) because they *know* Obama is going to win.

Look at the Republicans. They are in arms (as usual). They are preparing and circling their wagons getting ready to give it their best. What he says makes a lot of sense.. if you were just watching the election and got to vote on your cellphone Obama would win, hands down. But this isn't how elections are held and I can already see all the signs that Dems aren't going to turn out like Reps are.

hubris kills and the Dems have plenty. They don't want to believe this man that the Republicans hated in their primaries... that wonderbread and wonder jr. who are holding an axe over medicare's head... could possibly beat Obama. But they can and it's becoming more and more likely that they will.

The lies have been steady and gobbled up. The doubts about R&R are getting thinner and thinner. And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November

you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-31 04:54:05 PM  

whidbey: But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is.


In many cases, that's because his points are blatant lies.
 
2012-08-31 04:54:51 PM  
Well, Rmoney is due for a big cash influx from the Kochsuckers.
 
2012-08-31 04:57:16 PM  
You know, he could donate tons of cash to that pro-Obama Super PAC, if he wasn't spending it all on cake and buckets of butter.
 
2012-08-31 04:57:18 PM  

whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?


I value a greater degree of intellectual honesty. This is actually quite a bone of contention in the Democratic Party, with some people suggesting that we should stoop to merely messaging, damn the honesty, because it's what Republicans have been doing. I can see their point, but ultimately I value the integrity of being as honest and fact-based as possible. So far, that wins more often than it loses. To me, Moore violates it, sometimes unforgivably. I thought Bowling for Columbine was way over the line, but Farenheit 911 went from manipulating facts and lies by omission to simply outright lying, like the trivially disprovable assertion that the bin Ladens were allowed to leave before US airspace was open.
 
2012-08-31 04:58:04 PM  
Said it before and I'll say it again:

Economy do good = President Obama
Economy do bad = President Romney

No need to make it any more complicated than that.
 
2012-08-31 04:58:52 PM  

MurphyMurphy: you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.


Not all of us. Hell, I'm voting for Obama and he's guaranteed to lose in my state.
 
2012-08-31 05:00:16 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

especially when the have all the billionaires,a good portion of the media and religious zealotry behind them


I paid way too much attention in history classes to suggest there is no way history can't repeat itself.

Our current populace? They forget shiat at record setting rates (numba one way for history to repeat itself).

If the DNC doesn't both knock it out of the park and get it's own bump, I'd say if I had to bet money I'd bet on Romney at this point.

For farks sake, the man stood on stage and said everything but "Lets go to war with Iran" and people were clapping and screaming like we just didn't learn what a bad idea this shiat is over the last 10 years. Humans are insufferably stupid and the dumber they are the more likely they are to vote.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:29 PM  

clevershark: Well, Rmoney is due for a big cash influx from the Kochsuckers.


except a few articles down one of the koch brothers is splitting from the social issues of the GOP. the farker will still throw all the money he can at them though, because taxbongo or something.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:42 PM  

whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?


I should point out that the ultimate tragedy is that he had very important things to say in Bowling for Columbine, but that (for me, anyway) it was terribly spoiled by the presentation. He chose controversy as the vehicle for popularizing the issue, but in the process so hopelessly muddied the water it even did a disservice to people who want more gun control.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:47 PM  

vygramul: This is actually quite a bone of contention in the Democratic Party, with some people suggesting that we should stoop to merely messaging, damn the honesty, because it's what Republicans have been doing.


Who's suggesting that?

I thought Bowling for Columbine was way over the line, but Farenheit 911 went from manipulating facts and lies by omission to simply outright lying, like the trivially disprovable assertion that the bin Ladens were allowed to leave before US airspace was open.

I never saw either, but I do remember a bunch of righties getting their panties in a wad over whether F9/11 was factual or not.

To my knowledge, I'm not sure how much of their whining about it stuck or not.

It's still an incredible indictment on the Bush administration.
 
2012-08-31 05:02:32 PM  

MurphyMurphy: CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.

He could easily be right. There have been more crazy gaps that have been closed and overcome.

Every pro Obama person seems convinced that Obama is going to win. That alone should scare the Democrats. People that say "I'm voting, I always vote, I'm voting for Obama" have a good chance of sitting on the couch (who will know?) because they *know* Obama is going to win.

Look at the Republicans. They are in arms (as usual). They are preparing and circling their wagons getting ready to give it their best. What he says makes a lot of sense.. if you were just watching the election and got to vote on your cellphone Obama would win, hands down. But this isn't how elections are held and I can already see all the signs that Dems aren't going to turn out like Reps are.

hubris kills and the Dems have plenty. They don't want to believe this man that the Republicans hated in their primaries... that wonderbread and wonder jr. who are holding an axe over medicare's head... could possibly beat Obama. But they can and it's becoming more and more likely that they will.

The lies have been steady and gobbled up. The doubts about R&R are getting thinner and thinner. And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November

you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 512x397]


Outside of the money thing you're basically saying the exact same things that were said in 2008. When the stock market plunged and McCain had no response for it, people were handing the election to Obama then and there. Then pundits started showing concern about overconfidence. But people still went out to vote for him in record numbers.

Presidential elections have a way of stirring shiftless lazy Americans into 15 minutes of action every time. I don't know how it is: maybe it's the incessant commercials, maybe it's family members goading them, maybe it's those stupid "I Voted" stickers, but we have a tendency to sack up when decision time comes.

Even a moderate amount of "sacking up" in the swing states (the states that are hammered the most by social pressure) should do it for the President.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:08 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: I love the way the Libtards whine about how Rmoney is going to outspend Obama. If BO hadn't outspent McCain 3 to 1, we'd all be saying President Mac.


You betcha!

*wink*
 
2012-08-31 05:03:28 PM  

vygramul: whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?

I should point out that the ultimate tragedy is that he had very important things to say in Bowling for Columbine, but that (for me, anyway) it was terribly spoiled by the presentation. He chose controversy as the vehicle for popularizing the issue, but in the process so hopelessly muddied the water it even did a disservice to people who want more gun control.


Again, I need to see the movie, but some people just aren't moderates, and they don't feel that being moderate is the way to present things. Take it or leave it, it's their preferred means of expression.
 
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