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(Huffington Post)   Michael Moore: "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 269
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2012-08-31 02:27:46 PM  
Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says
 
2012-08-31 02:29:27 PM  
Still not believing it. Electoral-vote.com still shows President Obama up 332-206. But if Romney picks up Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and North Carolina from Obama in '08, it's 269-269. Romney-Biden, baby!
 
2012-08-31 02:42:13 PM  
he is a fat farking idiot and this proves it.
 
2012-08-31 02:44:37 PM  
He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.
 
2012-08-31 02:49:31 PM  
Auto-playing piece of shiat, huck you fluff po.
 
2012-08-31 02:53:52 PM  
So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?
 
2012-08-31 03:05:46 PM  

violentsalvation: Auto-playing piece of shiat, huck you fluff po.


And this is why I never click on HuffPo links anymore.

Also, what are we supposed to practice? Not laughing uncontrollably after saying it?
 
2012-08-31 03:11:08 PM  
I have heard it said that this gentleman is excessively corpulent and the result of an out of wedlock union. It also seems that he is widely believed to be composed of an inordinate proportion of bovine excrement.
 
2012-08-31 03:37:30 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: violentsalvation: Auto-playing piece of shiat, huck you fluff po.

And this is why I never click on HuffPo links anymore.

Also, what are we supposed to practice? Not laughing uncontrollably after saying it?


I think we're supposed to get used to it, kind of like getting used to the Cubs losing every year.
 
2012-08-31 03:38:10 PM  

twobux: Still not believing it. Electoral-vote.com still shows President Obama up 332-206. But if Romney picks up Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and North Carolina from Obama in '08, it's 269-269. Romney-Biden, baby!


I don't believe in demonic girls climbing out of wells to be real either but I though the "The Ring" was scary. When Moore says we should get use to the term "President Romney" I shat myself.
 
2012-08-31 03:39:34 PM  
He's just firing up the base.
 
2012-08-31 03:39:54 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?

 
2012-08-31 03:39:56 PM  
I think Michael Moore should practice eating shiat.

/In a non-partisan way, of course
 
2012-08-31 03:40:03 PM  
"Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told host Josh Zepps.

Yup, Moore's still retarded.
 
2012-08-31 03:40:48 PM  
"Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told host Josh Zepps. "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

Well, not completely misjudge them, but I take your point, Mr. Moore.
 
2012-08-31 03:41:21 PM  
Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.

or he's gone stupid, that's entirely a possibility too.
 
2012-08-31 03:41:45 PM  
Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.
 
2012-08-31 03:42:14 PM  
Michael Moore kicking the left into line behind the donks using dishonest fear tactics? Oh no, say it ain't so.
 
2012-08-31 03:42:37 PM  
To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition.

I don't care much about michael moore, but he's right about this. People would do well to avoid any sense of security looking at electoral college maps or Nate Silver's predictions.
 
2012-08-31 03:43:01 PM  
He's concerned about all that billionaire money that Citizens United allowed into the election.
 
2012-08-31 03:43:10 PM  
Romney himself doesn't bother me politically. He's a standard say/do anything guy who won't do to much good/bad for the country. I don't like him personally and he has a face that my fist wants to meet for some reason though.

It's the other Republicans that worry me, some of them haven't 'gone rogue' they've left the farking planet. I'd be ok with the crazy turned up to 11, but some of these people have go to ludicrous speed.
 
2012-08-31 03:43:50 PM  
That's crap. It's not how many that vote, it's who counts the votes.
 
2012-08-31 03:44:32 PM  
Didn't more of the "base" watch Honey Boo Boo than Romney's acceptance speech? I don't think many of them can muster up enough enthusiasm for Romney to bother voting for him. Nevertheless, the Dems shouldn't be caught with their pants down thinking they can't lose.
 
2012-08-31 03:44:56 PM  
More like "Prosidebt Fartmney", amirite?
 
2012-08-31 03:44:56 PM  
With former UT Gov Leavitt spearheading the transition team picks, and stacking it with Mormons, we will be not be saying "White House Cabinet" but "White House Quorum."
Now THAT scares the shiat out of me.
 
2012-08-31 03:46:19 PM  

CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems Americans into voting. They should be scared and vote.


If every eligible American voted, there would be no chance of a Romney Presidency.

Which is, of course, why there are so many Republican-led voter disenfranchisement policies in place.
 
2012-08-31 03:46:25 PM  
mommy, the fat man is scaring me. Make him fly, mommy! Make him fly!
 
2012-08-31 03:46:50 PM  

Guuberre: I think Michael Moore should practice eating shiat a f**king salad now and then.

/In a non-partisan way, of course


FTFM
 
2012-08-31 03:47:34 PM  
Thing is... The Republicans probably wouldn't mind losing. When they have something to complain about/hate, the money/ratings come rolling in.

If they won, then they would actually have to come up with some ideas.
 
2012-08-31 03:49:58 PM  

Decillion: Thing is... The Republicans probably wouldn't mind losing. When they have something to complain about/hate, the money/ratings come rolling in.

If they won, then they would actually have to come up with some ideas.


ohwaityoureserious.jpg

I mean, unless stripping people of civil rights and expanding military spending to keep the debt ballooning count as ideas.
 
2012-08-31 03:52:27 PM  
As a far left liberal I want to like Moore, but he just comes off as assholish to me. Bowling for Columbine was good but after, meh............

He says some stupid flame worthy stuff sometimes and sometimes he gets it right, but he isn't someone that should be speaking for anyone else.
 
2012-08-31 03:52:28 PM  
Practice saying Republican Senate Majority and see if you don't get some nape hairs to tingle. Or even Senate Majority Leader Rand Paul. How's your lunch sitting now?
 
2012-08-31 03:53:27 PM  
I tried, but I threw up in my mouth before I could say the whole thing.
 
2012-08-31 03:55:02 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: Decillion: Thing is... The Republicans probably wouldn't mind losing. When they have something to complain about/hate, the money/ratings come rolling in.

If they won, then they would actually have to come up with some ideas.

ohwaityoureserious.jpg

I mean, unless stripping people of civil rights and expanding military spending to keep the debt ballooning count as ideas.


Technically they do.

/The best kind of do.
 
2012-08-31 03:55:29 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: Bowling for Columbine was good


No, it wasn't.

/it begins 
 
2012-08-31 03:56:04 PM  

The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried, but I threw up in my mouth before I could say the whole thing.


I'm Canadian and I can't say it without thinking of different ways of killing myself.
 
2012-08-31 03:56:06 PM  
So if I read that right, Moore is saying that it matters which side gets the most people out to vote. This is shocking news!
 
2012-08-31 03:56:15 PM  
Ah yes, because when I think of reasonable, well-thought-out political analysis, I think of Michael Moore.
 
2012-08-31 03:56:30 PM  

CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.


+1
 
2012-08-31 03:57:44 PM  

VitruvianMonkey: Ah yes, because when I think of reasonable, well-thought-out political analysis, I think of Michael Moore.


...and then click on the Fark politics tab.
 
2012-08-31 03:58:35 PM  
Sure it's lulzy mocking the dipsh*ts at the convention, but like it or not, there is half of our country who wants to elect him.

Unless the polls are lying.
 
2012-08-31 03:58:40 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: As a far left liberal I want to like Moore, but he just comes off as assholish to me. Bowling for Columbine was good but after, meh............

He says some stupid flame worthy stuff sometimes and sometimes he gets it right, but he isn't someone that should be speaking for anyone else.


He plays fast and loose with stats but his movies are faithful to the truth IMHO. Plus they are entertaining. For instance, I thought the way he represented Canadian health care in Sicko to be perfectly consistent with my own knowledge and experience.
 
2012-08-31 03:59:27 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Practice saying Republican Senate Majority and see if you don't get some nape hairs to tingle. Or even Senate Majority Leader Rand Paul. How's your lunch sitting now?


Its eerie.
 
2012-08-31 03:59:28 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!


Somebody add this to the list of rules for obese people on camera, particularly when sitting on a couch: PUT ON SOME DAMNED PANTS!

Other than that, I think he's pretty smart, but he has a delivery that makes him look like just another schmuck.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:01 PM  
Citizens United.
That is all.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:41 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: As a far left liberal I want to like Moore, but he just comes off as assholish to me. Bowling for Columbine was good but after, meh............


That's pretty much how I feel. I agree with him on most things, I just don't like his approach or style or whatever. I feel the same about Ed Schultz and most Democratic politicians.

Roger & Me is awesome, though
 
2012-08-31 04:00:41 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?


Actually, I was pretty curious. I clicked thinking he'd, for once, some compelling and rational rhetoric; but it was just moore of the same.
 
2012-08-31 04:01:40 PM  
Can we all agree as a nation that Michael Moore is a waste of space?
 
2012-08-31 04:01:46 PM  
Tactic: Scare Base Into Action

I don't necessarily disagree with the over all sentiment that turn-out will largely determine this election, and the more to get the left and left-leaning sorts into the game and actually OUT there to vote, the better.

/Republicans are doing the exact same thing
 
2012-08-31 04:01:55 PM  

Virtual Pariah: CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.

+1


+1
 
2012-08-31 04:02:21 PM  
fark, now I'm forced to agree with something that socialist bastard said...

Romney is going to win, and not just because he's outraising Obama and has more cash on hand. He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney. All this summer I've heard about how robotic Romney is, how he can't dare talk about Bain, how he's so out-of-touch, all the usual left-wing Obama Approved® talking points.

Mitt Romney said "fark it" to all of them. He didn't appear wooden last night. He didn't walk away from Bain. He showed a hell of a lot more life in him than I've ever seen from the guy. If that Mitt Romney shows up in the debates, it might not be that close.

And here's the thing: poll after poll shows that Obama is stuck right around 47% of the vote. I don't expect he'll get less than that-this won't be a blowout like 1980 or 1984. But the thing is that Obama rarely polls above that level. All Romney needs to do in a race this tight is pull a majority of the remaning undecided voters.

And if you're not in Obama's camp already, I don't think you're going to be be pursuaded after four years of constant speeches and fawning media attention. The people on the fence are not people likely to vote for the President, they're people who will either vote for Romney or stay home in November. And then it just comes out to base turnout, and that benefits the GOP. Obama is not going to get the same turnout he got in 2008, and the composition of the electorate is not going to look like 2008. What we're going to see is an electorate much more like 2010 or 2004 then 2008. And that's not good news for Obama.

Watching the polls, Obama's only up .5% in the RCP average. Labor Day will mess with polling, so I don't expect to see a huge shift in momentum. But if after the DNC the race is still tied, I expect Romney will win.

Watch the swing state polls too - those start reverting to the national mean about this time. Now Romney can start spending his campaign war chest in earnest.

All Romney has to do is cut that bio video from last night into a series of ads and run them in the swing states. Obama's scaremongering doesn't play well, and if the DNC plays out like I think it will, it's possible Obama's numbers might actually go down.

I've predicted that we would start to see the race shifting after the conventions - so far, that's looking like the way it will play out.

Oh wait, this is Fark, we're all supposed to believe that Dear Leader will win 72 states and at least 158% of the vote...
 
2012-08-31 04:03:00 PM  
As long as Romney wins thanks to the grotesque influx of PAC money from the ultra-rich and shady corporations and not because most people want him to be president, I can learn to live with it, Michael.
 
2012-08-31 04:03:51 PM  
"I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'

Okay, let's give it a try:
President Etch-a-Sketch
Hmmm,,,nope
President Vulture Capitalist
Damn, not even close
President Right Wing Reactionary
Oh now COME ON!
President Off-Shoring

Dang! This is harder than I thought!
 
2012-08-31 04:05:22 PM  

Rich Cream: He's just firing up the base.


The only thing that fat pig fires up these days is a grill large enough to cook 3 sides of beef and a ham. All for one meal.
 
2012-08-31 04:05:30 PM  
He still alive? I heard he chocked on a ham sandwich and no one could get their arms around him to dislodge it.
 
2012-08-31 04:06:40 PM  

tricycleracer: Can we all agree as a nation that Michael Moore is a waste of space?


He's the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll attack him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Left Knight.
 
2012-08-31 04:07:03 PM  

tinyarena: "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'

Okay, let's give it a try:
President Etch-a-Sketch
Hmmm,,,nope
President Vulture Capitalist
Damn, not even close
President Right Wing Reactionary
Oh now COME ON!
President Off-Shoring

Dang! This is harder than I thought!


President Mo Money
 
2012-08-31 04:07:40 PM  
Forgot a letter..

President Mormoney
 
2012-08-31 04:10:20 PM  

ClintonKun: Didn't more of the "base" watch Honey Boo Boo than Romney's acceptance speech? I don't think many of them can muster up enough enthusiasm for Romney to bother voting for him.


That's not indicative of enthusiasm. The base is used to seeing Romney flail around the English language like an ostrich fighting a nasal parasite, and they're probably tired of hearing about it, too. They're gonna vote for him. So they tune out to avoid being exposed to anything that might make them feel worse about voting for him, and tune into that Boo Boo crap to make them feel better about themselves. It's a win win.
 
2012-08-31 04:10:59 PM  

Brick-House: He still alive? I heard he chocked on a ham sandwich and no one could get their arms around him to dislodge it.


No, that was your mom.
 
2012-08-31 04:11:17 PM  
That guy looks a little bit more like Jabba the Hut every time I see him.
 
2012-08-31 04:11:26 PM  

WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.


Is today Backwards Day?
 
2012-08-31 04:11:32 PM  

tinyarena: "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'

Okay, let's give it a try:
President Etch-a-Sketch
Hmmm,,,nope
President Vulture Capitalist
Damn, not even close
President Right Wing Reactionary
Oh now COME ON!
President Off-Shoring

Dang! This is harder than I thought!


President Schrödinger?
 
2012-08-31 04:13:09 PM  
[howaboutnobear.gif]

538 has Obama at about 70% to win.

Nate Silver > *
 
2012-08-31 04:13:44 PM  

hutchkc: Romney himself doesn't bother me politically. He's a standard say/do anything guy who won't do to much good/bad for the country. I don't like him personally and he has a face that my fist wants to meet for some reason though.

It's the other Republicans that worry me, some of them haven't 'gone rogue' they've left the farking planet. I'd be ok with the crazy turned up to 11, but some of these people have go to ludicrous speed.


I felt that way about W. I was really, really wrong.
 
2012-08-31 04:14:01 PM  
Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-31 04:14:04 PM  

twobux: Romney-Biden, baby!


Reverse that and there would be a ticket worth voting for, Biden/Romney
 
2012-08-31 04:14:54 PM  

Brick-House: He still alive? I heard he chocked on a ham sandwich and no one could get their arms around him to dislodge it.


That was Rush Limbaugh.

But he was revived when his Dominican houesboy stuffed Oxy down his gullet.
 
2012-08-31 04:15:53 PM  

WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.


He's the one who'll sign the bill to end Medicare. Why shouldn't they be afraid of him?
 
2012-08-31 04:17:26 PM  

tricycleracer: Can we all agree as a nation that Michael Moore is a waste of space?


No.

In fact, pretty sure you're in the minority here. You mad?
 
2012-08-31 04:18:49 PM  

hutchkc: Romney himself doesn't bother me politically. He's a standard say/do anything guy who won't do to much good/bad for the country. I don't like him personally and he has a face that my fist wants to meet for some reason though.

It's the other Republicans that worry me, some of them haven't 'gone rogue' they've left the farking planet. I'd be ok with the crazy turned up to 11, but some of these people have go to ludicrous speed.


That's exactly the problem though. If a GOP-controlled Congress sent Mitt Romney a bill that, say, completely abolished Medicare, or doubled national defense spending, or cutting taxes so much that they couldn't balance the budget no matter what, do you think he's going to veto those things? Or is he going to sign the bill? Grover Norquist has already stated that he just wants Mitt Romney to sign what Congress puts in front of him.
 
2012-08-31 04:19:31 PM  

skykid: Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 197x500]


That's like posting the point spread before a big game. It might show who should win. Doesn't show who will win
 
2012-08-31 04:20:20 PM  
Ad Hominem
 
2012-08-31 04:21:23 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.

He's the one who'll sign the bill to end Medicare. Why shouldn't they be afraid of him?


Sorry, but your Medicare scare tactics aren't working. The American people aren't stupid. They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer, and trying to scare them into thinking that no changes to the current system are acceptable don't work.

As Paul Ryan said, that's a fight that the GOP would just love to have...
 
2012-08-31 04:21:56 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says


but who's fatter, Chris Christie or Michael Moore?
 
2012-08-31 04:22:37 PM  

TDWCom29: skykid: Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 197x500]

That's like posting the point spread before a big game. It might show who should win. Doesn't show who will win


Doesn't change the fact Romney is not doing a great job of playing offense in the majority of swing states.
 
2012-08-31 04:24:53 PM  

WombatControl: Mitt Romney said "fark it" to all of them. He didn't appear wooden last night. He didn't walk away from Bain.


This is the scariest part. The man doesn't need to run away from his obviously detrimental past. People don't CARE. They don't care the man is a crook and a liar.

And yes, money is a BIG pusher. May I remind you peeps...

XKCD style office run
 
2012-08-31 04:25:46 PM  

WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer


Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years
 
2012-08-31 04:26:21 PM  
Let's not forget, Romney was losing in a lot of states during the primaries. Then just bombarded the states with negative ads. You see where that got him

Of course, his opponents there were people he should have been beating in the first place. That's not the case here, maybe that makes a difference
 
2012-08-31 04:26:46 PM  

DarwiOdrade: MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?

 
2012-08-31 04:27:21 PM  

shotglasss: Rich Cream: He's just firing up the base.

The only thing that fat pig fires up these days is a grill large enough to cook 3 sides of beef and a ham. All for one meal.


Both

bases; apparently.
 
2012-08-31 04:27:25 PM  

TDWCom29: Let's not forget, Romney was losing in a lot of states during the primaries. Then just bombarded the states with negative ads. You see where that got him

Of course, his opponents there were people he should have been beating in the first place. That's not the case here, maybe that makes a difference


With Obama and Romney shockingly neck and neck in the polls, anything is pure speculation until that scenario changes.
 
2012-08-31 04:28:16 PM  
I love the way the Libtards whine about how Rmoney is going to outspend Obama. If BO hadn't outspent McCain 3 to 1, we'd all be saying President Mac.
 
2012-08-31 04:28:20 PM  
Good lord, he really is fat.
 
2012-08-31 04:29:19 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: the Libtards


Oh that's really going to get you taken seriously.

Good job.
 
2012-08-31 04:30:08 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.

He's the one who'll sign the bill to end Medicare. Why shouldn't they be afraid of him?

Sorry, but your Medicare scare tactics aren't working. The American people aren't stupid. They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer, and trying to scare them into thinking that no changes to the current system are acceptable don't work.

As Paul Ryan said, that's a fight that the GOP would just love to have...


Reversing the Medicare reimbursement and MA payment changes like Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan now say they will do will make Medicare go bust before Vouchercare can start up.
 
2012-08-31 04:30:15 PM  
The debates should be interesting. Obama will expose Romney for the suck-puppet that he is.
 
2012-08-31 04:30:50 PM  
Michael Moore threads draw righty-trolls like shiat draws flies - he's the kind of "librul" they can relate to.
 
2012-08-31 04:31:18 PM  
I think this is a legitimate concern. The lesson of the Wisconsin recall election was "outspend your opponent 8-to-1 and you will win." Expect a deluge of Romney ads in the waning days of the election. I can only hope that Obama is holding something truly damning in reserve, and that Romney will blurt out something truly unbelievable, which he has a tendency to do. The trick is to get him in front of an audience exactly 50% normal and 50% Teabagger. In his uncontrollable need to pander to both sides simultaenously, he might come out with something good, like "One of the most important lessons I learned during my days as the Zodiac Killer..."
 
2012-08-31 04:31:19 PM  

Pinner: The debates should be interesting. Obama will expose Romney for the suck-puppet that he is.


I think the Biden-Ryan debates are going to be much more interesting
 
2012-08-31 04:32:24 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.

Is today Backwards Day?


Nope... different kind of day...

24fpsmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-31 04:33:18 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years


Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!
 
2012-08-31 04:33:29 PM  
He must have a SuperPac documentary coming out.
 
2012-08-31 04:35:27 PM  

WombatControl: Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.


Uh, yeah, they're spending cuts.
 
2012-08-31 04:36:43 PM  

Farker Soze: Brick-House: He still alive? I heard he chocked on a ham sandwich and no one could get their arms around him to dislodge it.

No, that was your mom.


No, mom chocked on dads huge penis.
 
2012-08-31 04:36:45 PM  

karmaceutical: The My Little Pony Killer: WombatControl: He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney.

Is today Backwards Day?

Nope... different kind of day...

[24fpsmoviereviews.files.wordpress.com image 406x270]


an Aubrey Day?

secretsocietynyc.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-31 04:37:17 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: WombatControl: Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

Uh, yeah, they're spending cuts.


I thought Republicans loved to cut spending? What's the problem here?
 
2012-08-31 04:37:48 PM  

birchman: He must have a SuperPac documentary coming out.


Getting this right would give him a skosh more credibility in that regard...
 
2012-08-31 04:38:03 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: WombatControl: Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

Uh, yeah, they're spending cuts.


And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.
 
2012-08-31 04:38:08 PM  

WombatControl:

Watching the polls, Obama's only up .5% in the RCP average. Labor Day will mess with polling, so I don't expect to see a huge shift in momentum. But if after the DNC the race is still tied, I expect Romney will win.


RCP average? The people that weight 2 week old, 1 day old, RV and LV polls exactly the same, regardless of pollster or previous accuracy? You are gonna have to clap a LOT harder than that if you want Tinkerbell to live.

4 years of Fox, hundreds of millions of dollars in attack ads, and a nominee who at one point or another has agreed with every political position evar, and your captain of industry still can't muster a lead against an admitted cocaine using african american presiding over a painfully slow recovery. Dude if you can't even pull ahead now, with all the horrible things that Obama has apparently done that should be clear to the dullest observer,nothing short of a nuclear war is going to change that over the next 60 days.
 
2012-08-31 04:38:26 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!


You're a good little soldier, yes you are!
 
2012-08-31 04:38:46 PM  

WombatControl: CBO


Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).
 
2012-08-31 04:38:50 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says


To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:03 PM  
I think

mrshowrules: twobux: Still not believing it. Electoral-vote.com still shows President Obama up 332-206. But if Romney picks up Florida, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, and North Carolina from Obama in '08, it's 269-269. Romney-Biden, baby!

I don't believe in demonic girls climbing out of wells to be real either but I though the "The Ring" was scary. When Moore says we should get use to the term "President Romney" I shat myself.


Not me, I made another bomb.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:43 PM  

Serious Black: tinyarena: "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.'

Okay, let's give it a try:
President Etch-a-Sketch
Hmmm,,,nope
President Vulture Capitalist
Damn, not even close
President Right Wing Reactionary
Oh now COME ON!
President Off-Shoring

Dang! This is harder than I thought!

President Schrödinger?


www.bitlogic.com
 
2012-08-31 04:40:07 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2012-08-31 04:40:27 PM  

Decillion: tricycleracer: Can we all agree as a nation that Michael Moore is a waste of space?

He's the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll attack him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Derp Knight.


FTFY
 
2012-08-31 04:40:45 PM  
I prefer The Schrödinger's President.
if romney wins simply on the fact that he gets fistfulls of cash in comparison to obamas fundraising, this country is off the farking cliff.
especially after he gets hung out to dry in the debates.
he took a 4 point dip FROM HIS OWN CONVENTION. spend yer way out of nate silver predictions, i dare you.
 
2012-08-31 04:41:26 PM  

vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.


Bless your heart...
 
2012-08-31 04:41:37 PM  

vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.


As is Christie. A bigger, fatter douche than Moore actually.
 
2012-08-31 04:41:54 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!


So when, exactly, are the CBO's predictions correct?
 
2012-08-31 04:41:55 PM  

karmaceutical: WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: They know that programs like Medicare won't be around for much longer

Affordable Care Act helped extend Medicare's solvency by 12 years

Yes, I know, let's make Medicare more solvent! How, you ask? We'll cut $716 billion from Medicare.* Oh, but don't worry, those are good cuts.

*Never mind the fact that we're gonig to count those cuts twice, spending them to bolster the CBO score for ObamaCare while at the same time pretending that the $716 billion is going back into the Medicare trust fund. Because through the magic of bullshiat we can make $1 into $2!

You're a good little soldier, yes you are!


I'm going to need more statisticals.
 
2012-08-31 04:42:31 PM  

karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...


Not sure what you mean by that.
 
2012-08-31 04:42:45 PM  

j_twelve: Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.

notsureifserious.jpg


They are, just not on defense or prisons. All the social programs though...
 
2012-08-31 04:42:58 PM  
Guess we'll see in November...
 
2012-08-31 04:43:08 PM  

Tor_Eckman: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

As is Christie. A bigger, fatter douche than Moore actually.


I'm not going to argue with that. I really am not up on Christie's views.
 
2012-08-31 04:43:28 PM  
Ar-mun-nee...Ar-mun-nee...Ar-mun-nee...

Hey I got it!
 
2012-08-31 04:43:33 PM  
Aw, what happened to WombatControl?
 
2012-08-31 04:44:49 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: j_twelve: Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.

notsureifserious.jpg

They are, just not on defense or prisons. All the social programs though...


Nor on enforcement of certain laws. Nor are they fiscally concerned when it comes to building a huge wall. Along the Southern Border. Not the Northern one. Not that race has anything to do with it.
 
2012-08-31 04:45:12 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).


I know how the CBO works. (And knowing is half the battle!)

By law, the CBO has to score a bill exactly as Congress writes it. The CBO is not allowed to look at the real-world effects of a bill, because there are a lot of subjective considerations that have to be taken into effect. So if Congress writes a bill that says "We're going to spend a trillion dollars, but we'll magically find a trillion dollar bill in the national sofa cushion" the CBO will score that bill as being revenue neutral.

What Obamacare did was make huge and utterly ridiculous assumptions about revenue. They said CLASS would give $200B in revenue - that's already been shiatcanned. They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen and B) that money can't both be used for paying for Obamacare and going back to the Medicare Trust Fund. The CBO looked at a bill that would cost a trillion but had a pile of worthless revenue predictions and said it would save money. But just with the CLASS part failing, that's no longer true.

That's not the CBO's fault - they are garbage in/garbage out in terms of what the legislation says. The fault is that Congress decided to play games with CBO scoring rather than being honest. And if that becomes a trend, CBO scoring will become virtually worthless.
 
2012-08-31 04:45:22 PM  
I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

especially when the have all the billionaires,a good portion of the media and religious zealotry behind them
 
2012-08-31 04:45:35 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


You'll get there. Keep trying!
 
2012-08-31 04:45:36 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Aw, what happened to WombatControl?


He found out he can lick his own statisticals.
 
2012-08-31 04:46:07 PM  

themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).


We should really start keeping track of all the threads in which the righty-trolls cite things like the CBO, Politifact, etc so we can post every single one of them whenever they try to discredit them when they say things they don't like.
 
2012-08-31 04:46:38 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


It seems to be a nice southern way of saying you are dumb as fark.
 
BOZ
2012-08-31 04:46:53 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.


It's a southern thing meaning: you sure are a stupid farking idiot, but I'll be polite about how I say it
 
2012-08-31 04:48:46 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Aw, what happened to WombatControl?


He's been full retard for a while. It's just particularly effective since he knows how to run with a tiny grain of truth.
 
2012-08-31 04:48:58 PM  

WombatControl: themindiswatching: WombatControl: CBO

Of course, you probably think the CBO is the absolute authority when they're talking about a bill you like (as long as they don't say anything bad about it).

I know how the CBO works. (And knowing is half the battle!)

By law, the CBO has to score a bill exactly as Congress writes it. The CBO is not allowed to look at the real-world effects of a bill, because there are a lot of subjective considerations that have to be taken into effect. So if Congress writes a bill that says "We're going to spend a trillion dollars, but we'll magically find a trillion dollar bill in the national sofa cushion" the CBO will score that bill as being revenue neutral.

What Obamacare did was make huge and utterly ridiculous assumptions about revenue. They said CLASS would give $200B in revenue - that's already been shiatcanned. They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen and B) that money can't both be used for paying for Obamacare and going back to the Medicare Trust Fund. The CBO looked at a bill that would cost a trillion but had a pile of worthless revenue predictions and said it would save money. But just with the CLASS part failing, that's no longer true.

That's not the CBO's fault - they are garbage in/garbage out in terms of what the legislation says. The fault is that Congress decided to play games with CBO scoring rather than being honest. And if that becomes a trend, CBO scoring will become virtually worthless.


I'd say it already has given how Paul Ryan had the CBO score his budget with magical assumptions of tax revenues and job growth.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:06 PM  

karmaceutical: vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.

You'll get there. Keep trying!


You sound concerned.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:29 PM  

WombatControl: How, you ask?


You mean the same payment reduction that Ryan intends to do? You may want to explain how it's bad if Obama does it, but good if it's part of the Ryan/Romney plan.
 
2012-08-31 04:50:30 PM  

WombatControl: I know how the CBO works.


You sure about that? From that link:

"What Blahous calls "double counting" is actually the "unified budget process," an accounting method that considers the spending and revenues of the entire federal budget over a 10 year period and the way Congress keeps track of its dollars. It's the same math that the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) relied on to conclude in 2010 that the law "would produce a net reduction in federal deficits of $143 billion over the 2010-2019 period as result of changes in direct spending and revenues."
 
2012-08-31 04:50:54 PM  
What kind of turnout problem would Obama have to have before getting in trouble? I think it would have to be close to historic--and across the board. So even if the 20something don't show up like 2008 you would have to see the same from minorities and women as well.

It's pretty fair to say that if even a halfway-respectable portion of Americans show up on election day the the President is pretty safe. Yeah, Romney has his base, but it doesn't look as formidable was it even in 2004.

So do your duty and nag people to vote. Guilt always works. If enough people wake up that Tuesday morning and say, "Ah well, might as well get this shiat over with" then that's all she wrote.
 
2012-08-31 04:51:25 PM  

WombatControl: They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen


Why not?
 
2012-08-31 04:51:38 PM  
If he meant it in the sense of "If you don't get up off your lazy ass and vote, you'd best start thinking about those words" or even "President Romney is still a possibility, be scared of this, go vote," then hey, I'm all right with this.
 
2012-08-31 04:52:17 PM  

vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: karmaceutical: vygramul: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

To be fair, it's what Democrats like to say about Chris Christie. Being fat evokes an equal-opportunity ad-hominem.

Moore is, however, a douche.

Bless your heart...

Not sure what you mean by that.

You'll get there. Keep trying!

You sound concerned.


FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?
 
2012-08-31 04:53:15 PM  

Markoff_Cheney: It seems to be a nice southern way of saying you are dumb as fark.


BOZ: It's a southern thing meaning: you sure are a stupid farking idiot, but I'll be polite about how I say it


Ah. Well, if one is white-knighting for Michael Moore, one isn't in exactly the strongest position to comment on anyone else's intelligence.
 
2012-08-31 04:53:57 PM  

CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.


He could easily be right. There have been more crazy gaps that have been closed and overcome.

Every pro Obama person seems convinced that Obama is going to win. That alone should scare the Democrats. People that say "I'm voting, I always vote, I'm voting for Obama" have a good chance of sitting on the couch (who will know?) because they *know* Obama is going to win.

Look at the Republicans. They are in arms (as usual). They are preparing and circling their wagons getting ready to give it their best. What he says makes a lot of sense.. if you were just watching the election and got to vote on your cellphone Obama would win, hands down. But this isn't how elections are held and I can already see all the signs that Dems aren't going to turn out like Reps are.

hubris kills and the Dems have plenty. They don't want to believe this man that the Republicans hated in their primaries... that wonderbread and wonder jr. who are holding an axe over medicare's head... could possibly beat Obama. But they can and it's becoming more and more likely that they will.

The lies have been steady and gobbled up. The doubts about R&R are getting thinner and thinner. And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November

you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-31 04:54:05 PM  

whidbey: But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is.


In many cases, that's because his points are blatant lies.
 
2012-08-31 04:54:51 PM  
Well, Rmoney is due for a big cash influx from the Kochsuckers.
 
2012-08-31 04:57:16 PM  
You know, he could donate tons of cash to that pro-Obama Super PAC, if he wasn't spending it all on cake and buckets of butter.
 
2012-08-31 04:57:18 PM  

whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?


I value a greater degree of intellectual honesty. This is actually quite a bone of contention in the Democratic Party, with some people suggesting that we should stoop to merely messaging, damn the honesty, because it's what Republicans have been doing. I can see their point, but ultimately I value the integrity of being as honest and fact-based as possible. So far, that wins more often than it loses. To me, Moore violates it, sometimes unforgivably. I thought Bowling for Columbine was way over the line, but Farenheit 911 went from manipulating facts and lies by omission to simply outright lying, like the trivially disprovable assertion that the bin Ladens were allowed to leave before US airspace was open.
 
2012-08-31 04:58:04 PM  
Said it before and I'll say it again:

Economy do good = President Obama
Economy do bad = President Romney

No need to make it any more complicated than that.
 
2012-08-31 04:58:52 PM  

MurphyMurphy: you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.


Not all of us. Hell, I'm voting for Obama and he's guaranteed to lose in my state.
 
2012-08-31 05:00:16 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.

never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

especially when the have all the billionaires,a good portion of the media and religious zealotry behind them


I paid way too much attention in history classes to suggest there is no way history can't repeat itself.

Our current populace? They forget shiat at record setting rates (numba one way for history to repeat itself).

If the DNC doesn't both knock it out of the park and get it's own bump, I'd say if I had to bet money I'd bet on Romney at this point.

For farks sake, the man stood on stage and said everything but "Lets go to war with Iran" and people were clapping and screaming like we just didn't learn what a bad idea this shiat is over the last 10 years. Humans are insufferably stupid and the dumber they are the more likely they are to vote.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:29 PM  

clevershark: Well, Rmoney is due for a big cash influx from the Kochsuckers.


except a few articles down one of the koch brothers is splitting from the social issues of the GOP. the farker will still throw all the money he can at them though, because taxbongo or something.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:42 PM  

whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?


I should point out that the ultimate tragedy is that he had very important things to say in Bowling for Columbine, but that (for me, anyway) it was terribly spoiled by the presentation. He chose controversy as the vehicle for popularizing the issue, but in the process so hopelessly muddied the water it even did a disservice to people who want more gun control.
 
2012-08-31 05:01:47 PM  

vygramul: This is actually quite a bone of contention in the Democratic Party, with some people suggesting that we should stoop to merely messaging, damn the honesty, because it's what Republicans have been doing.


Who's suggesting that?

I thought Bowling for Columbine was way over the line, but Farenheit 911 went from manipulating facts and lies by omission to simply outright lying, like the trivially disprovable assertion that the bin Ladens were allowed to leave before US airspace was open.

I never saw either, but I do remember a bunch of righties getting their panties in a wad over whether F9/11 was factual or not.

To my knowledge, I'm not sure how much of their whining about it stuck or not.

It's still an incredible indictment on the Bush administration.
 
2012-08-31 05:02:32 PM  

MurphyMurphy: CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems into voting. They should be scared and vote.

He could easily be right. There have been more crazy gaps that have been closed and overcome.

Every pro Obama person seems convinced that Obama is going to win. That alone should scare the Democrats. People that say "I'm voting, I always vote, I'm voting for Obama" have a good chance of sitting on the couch (who will know?) because they *know* Obama is going to win.

Look at the Republicans. They are in arms (as usual). They are preparing and circling their wagons getting ready to give it their best. What he says makes a lot of sense.. if you were just watching the election and got to vote on your cellphone Obama would win, hands down. But this isn't how elections are held and I can already see all the signs that Dems aren't going to turn out like Reps are.

hubris kills and the Dems have plenty. They don't want to believe this man that the Republicans hated in their primaries... that wonderbread and wonder jr. who are holding an axe over medicare's head... could possibly beat Obama. But they can and it's becoming more and more likely that they will.

The lies have been steady and gobbled up. The doubts about R&R are getting thinner and thinner. And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November

you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 512x397]


Outside of the money thing you're basically saying the exact same things that were said in 2008. When the stock market plunged and McCain had no response for it, people were handing the election to Obama then and there. Then pundits started showing concern about overconfidence. But people still went out to vote for him in record numbers.

Presidential elections have a way of stirring shiftless lazy Americans into 15 minutes of action every time. I don't know how it is: maybe it's the incessant commercials, maybe it's family members goading them, maybe it's those stupid "I Voted" stickers, but we have a tendency to sack up when decision time comes.

Even a moderate amount of "sacking up" in the swing states (the states that are hammered the most by social pressure) should do it for the President.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:08 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: I love the way the Libtards whine about how Rmoney is going to outspend Obama. If BO hadn't outspent McCain 3 to 1, we'd all be saying President Mac.


You betcha!

*wink*
 
2012-08-31 05:03:28 PM  

vygramul: whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?

I should point out that the ultimate tragedy is that he had very important things to say in Bowling for Columbine, but that (for me, anyway) it was terribly spoiled by the presentation. He chose controversy as the vehicle for popularizing the issue, but in the process so hopelessly muddied the water it even did a disservice to people who want more gun control.


Again, I need to see the movie, but some people just aren't moderates, and they don't feel that being moderate is the way to present things. Take it or leave it, it's their preferred means of expression.
 
2012-08-31 05:03:28 PM  

Hobodeluxe: I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.



Bush had the benefit of 9/11 and "terror threats".
 
2012-08-31 05:06:20 PM  
A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.
 
2012-08-31 05:07:44 PM  

LazarusLong42: If he meant it in the sense of "If you don't get up off your lazy ass and vote, you'd best start thinking about those words" or even "President Romney is still a possibility, be scared of this, go vote," then hey, I'm all right with this.


Basically, he said both of those. He said not to underestimate the opposition and recognize the huge influence of money, but also get out and vote to counter this rather than assuming victory. His concern is people are becoming complacent, believing President Obama will again be President.
 
2012-08-31 05:07:44 PM  

Serious Black: se spending, or cutting taxes so much that they couldn't balance the budget no matter what, do you think he's going to veto those things? Or is he going to sign the bill? Grover Norquist has already stated that he just wants Mitt Romney to sign what Congress puts in front of


I totally see him doing that. But it's the congress critters that worry me as the crazy they can create.
 
2012-08-31 05:07:58 PM  

IntertubeUser: A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.


Only if you can really say with a straight face that 51% of this country buys into that kind of puritanism. I can't.
 
2012-08-31 05:08:07 PM  
www.mopo.ca
 
2012-08-31 05:08:41 PM  

The Great EZE: Outside of the money thing you're basically saying the exact same things that were said in 2008. When the stock market plunged and McCain had no response for it, people were handing the election to Obama then and there. Then pundits started showing concern about overconfidence. But people still went out to vote for him in record numbers.

Presidential elections have a way of stirring shiftless lazy Americans into 15 minutes of action every time. I don't know how it is: maybe it's the incessant commercials, maybe it's family members goading them, maybe it's those stupid "I Voted" stickers, but we have a tendency to sack up when decision time comes.

Even a moderate amount of "sacking up" in the swing states (the states that are hammered the most by social pressure) should do it for the President.


Rev. Skarekroe: MurphyMurphy: you think you've lost faith in your nation just looking at the nutjob Republicans?
wait until the depression that hits when your watching the map light up and realize Democrats didn't even turn out to hand Obama his 'guaranteed win'.

Not all of us. Hell, I'm voting for Obama and he's guaranteed to lose in my state.


I'm in a swing state (PA) and it's going to be real close I think.

No one that I know that seemed to give a shiat in '08 is at all interested in this election (all 20-30 somethings) and it's frustrating. It's their vote to not use... but if other social circles are the same way it's not a good sign.

Inner city turnout is going to be even less I'll bet. I'm using a stereotype and making assumptions about people... but I have a good feeling the week of the election there will be thousands of people in Philadelphia that have NO FKING CLUE that they have to vote for Obama again. Many people in the larger population centers weren't even aware that midterm elections existed (how the tea party nabbed the house and many governorships)... many (D) voters have little-to-no understanding of how this shiat works and when it is they are supposed to do their part.

I agree there is always doomsaying. But don't forget that the last time Peter called wolf, there actually was a wolf. And nobody farking paid any attention.
 
2012-08-31 05:09:10 PM  

skykid: Hobodeluxe: I can recall people saying "no way can Bush get re-elected" a lot around here too.



Bush had the benefit of 9/11 and "terror threats".


He also had the benefit of early Rombot prototype, model name "John Kerry." And Obama's "I killed OBL" will = Bush's "I kept you safe."

I also recall a shocking number of anti-gay measures on local ballots that were cited as being part of the reason for a high Bush turnout. Basically every farkup the Dems made and every advantage the GOP in 2004 is working inversely (or is it conversely?) in 2012.

All the Democrats need to do is put measures on local ballots defining rape as "a very bad thing" and the cycle will be complete.
 
2012-08-31 05:14:01 PM  

whidbey: vygramul: This is actually quite a bone of contention in the Democratic Party, with some people suggesting that we should stoop to merely messaging, damn the honesty, because it's what Republicans have been doing.

Who's suggesting that?

I thought Bowling for Columbine was way over the line, but Farenheit 911 went from manipulating facts and lies by omission to simply outright lying, like the trivially disprovable assertion that the bin Ladens were allowed to leave before US airspace was open.

I never saw either, but I do remember a bunch of righties getting their panties in a wad over whether F9/11 was factual or not.

To my knowledge, I'm not sure how much of their whining about it stuck or not.

It's still an incredible indictment on the Bush administration.


I used to say that there was plenty of reason to hate Bush without having to make shiat up. When you make shiat up, it gives the opposition something to latch onto and attack, with good reason, and distract from the perfectly valid reasons fo which Bush should have been kicked out of office. I don't find the film worth referencing because that well is so poisoned, even with the stuff that he pointed out that was true.

whidbey: vygramul: whidbey: FWIW, Moore usually annoys me. But aside from the sideshow, he does make some pertinent points that nobody else in the mainstream is. They don't even dare. If that's being a "douche," so what?

Do you think he should be nicer about some of hard unpleasant truths in this country?

I should point out that the ultimate tragedy is that he had very important things to say in Bowling for Columbine, but that (for me, anyway) it was terribly spoiled by the presentation. He chose controversy as the vehicle for popularizing the issue, but in the process so hopelessly muddied the water it even did a disservice to people who want more gun control.

Again, I need to see the movie, but some people just aren't moderates, and they don't feel that being moderate is the way to present things. Take it or leave it, it's their preferred means of expression.


True enough. I express my opinion to it. But I would never say you should just take my word for it. Watching the films is something I would suggest someone do if they want to argue about their contents. I intend, if I can do so without paying for some service I do not already receive, to watch Obama2016 in order to be appropriately informed about its preferred means of expression.
 
2012-08-31 05:14:48 PM  

whidbey: IntertubeUser: A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.

Only if you can really say with a straight face that 51% of this country buys into that kind of puritanism. I can't.


Do you really think that 51% of Americans were that bothered by Janet Jackson's boob? Do you think that every law and regulation on the books is supported by +51% of Americans?

This election is the Theocrats vs. the sane, rational rest of us.

If Romney wins, start stocking up on Sears catalogs.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:19 PM  

whidbey: IntertubeUser: A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.

Only if you can really say with a straight face that 51% of this country buys into that kind of puritanism. I can't.


Technically, you only need 51% of the 40% of Americans who vote.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:34 PM  
People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:51 PM  

vygramul: I intend, if I can do so without paying for some service I do not already receive, to watch Obama2016 in order to be appropriately informed about its preferred means of expression.


Yeah I wouldn't mind stumbling upon a copy of that, myself.
 
2012-08-31 05:15:55 PM  

IntertubeUser: whidbey: IntertubeUser: A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.

Only if you can really say with a straight face that 51% of this country buys into that kind of puritanism. I can't.

Do you really think that 51% of Americans were that bothered by Janet Jackson's boob? Do you think that every law and regulation on the books is supported by +51% of Americans?

This election is the Theocrats vs. the sane, rational rest of us.

If Romney wins, start stocking up on Sears catalogs.


Ha!
 
2012-08-31 05:16:31 PM  
 
2012-08-31 05:16:36 PM  

MurphyMurphy: I'm in a swing state (PA) and it's going to be real close I think.

No one that I know that seemed to give a shiat in '08 is at all interested in this election (all 20-30 somethings) and it's frustrating. It's their vote to not use... but if other social circles are the same way it's not a good sign.

Inner city turnout is going to be even less I'll bet. I'm using a stereotype and making assumptions about people... but I have a good feeling the week of the election there will be thousands of people in Philadelphia that have NO FKING CLUE that they have to vote for Obama again. Many people in the larger population centers weren't even aware that midterm elections existed (how the tea party nabbed the house and many governorships)... many (D) voters have little-to-no understanding of how this shiat works and when it is they are supposed to do their part.

I agree there is always doomsaying. But don't forget that the last time Peter called wolf, there actually was a wolf. And nobody farking paid any attention.


Okay, now you're getting ridiculous. And I think you're forgetting that Obama can run a pretty good campaign. He'll be out in the swing states, stumping his heart out, town halling until his face turns blue. Local heroes (both popular and political) will be acting as surrogates annoying the denizens to no end. His highlights and Conservative lowlights ("HE'S A TERRORIST!") will go viral. The ads are going to air during Monday Night Football, American Idol, Survivor, and freakin' Glee. People will know. People always figure it out in time.

The real campaign season is only just beginning.
 
2012-08-31 05:17:41 PM  

jso2897: People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.


Nate Silver has truly impressed me, and I concur with your assessment.
 
2012-08-31 05:18:27 PM  

IntertubeUser: If Romney wins, start stocking up on Sears catalogs.


Damn. I knew I forgot to do something important this year.
 
2012-08-31 05:19:27 PM  

Rich Cream: He's just firing up the base.


If there were any year where firing up the base mattered, this is the year that's perhaps only second to four years ago.

It's 18 hours after hearing Romney dismiss climate change and my blood is still boiling. I want that farker to be sitting in the Cayman Islands in December knowing full well that America collectively thinks he's an arsehole....an unfit, unacceptable, unlikable and untrustworthy arsehole.

And then I want to find some way so that he can't be referred to as the Governor of Massachusetts ever again.
 
2012-08-31 05:19:28 PM  

vygramul: jso2897: People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.

Nate Silver has truly impressed me, and I concur with your assessment.


As you said - the real campaign starts now - and the GOP has to play catch-up. The probabilities are against them - but that doesn't mean they can't win, only that it is less probable.
 
2012-08-31 05:20:47 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says


I never see dens call Rush fat. Never. Michael Moore is a lying whore. Like you.
 
2012-08-31 05:21:24 PM  

whidbey: IntertubeUser: A Romney Administration will go after Internet pr0n and make the enforcement of television "decency" regulations a priority. Vote Obama.

//It may be that simple.

Only if you can really say with a straight face that 51% of this country buys into that kind of puritanism. I can't.


I live in Georgia. I sure as hell can.
 
2012-08-31 05:21:41 PM  
I'm guessing Moore is working on a film about PACs and the super version thereof.
 
2012-08-31 05:23:31 PM  

robbiex0r: I'm guessing Moore is working on a film about PACs and the super version thereof.


Because he would never ever make a politically-tinged statement unless he were plugging a movie. You just couldn't be going there with this.
 
2012-08-31 05:24:09 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: WombatControl: They said that we would cut $716 from Medicare - that's A) not going to happen

Why not?


Because it's politically suicidal.

Ryan's plan makes cuts to Medicare in the same amount, but doesn't double-count those cuts. The money goes right back to the Medicare trust fund. And quite frankly, even that isn't going to work. The argument that there's fraud and abuse in Medicare is true. The argument that there's $716 billion worth of fraud and abuse in Medicare is ridiculous. You simply cannot cut that much from Medicare without reducing payments to doctors, which will make it harder for Medicare patients to get care.

In the end, neither Obamacare nor Ryan's plan can really count on those cuts ever going through. Neither side is actually going to cut $716 billion from Medicare, because both sides want to have a chance in hell at getting reelected.
 
2012-08-31 05:26:13 PM  
Hope so, but probably not. Very hard to beat an incumbent.
 
2012-08-31 05:27:01 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

I never see dens call Rush fat. Never. Michael Moore is a lying whore. Like you.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-31 05:27:51 PM  

vygramul: jso2897: People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.

Nate Silver has truly impressed me, and I concur with your assessment.


I agree with this. But the problem with Nate Silver's predictions is that they're based largely on polls, which means that they're going to reflect the incomplete state of polling right now. That problem will lessen as more and better polls come out, but Silver is giving credence to old polls along with the new. That's not always bad, but it depends on how you do the weighting.

But the biggest problem with Silver's model is that he's the only one who knows how it works. There could be a whole shiat-ton of assumptions in there than could prejudice his analysis. The more shiat you add into a statistical model, the more opportunities for error you introduce.

Silver's a smart guy, and he does good work, but you should never take his stuff as gospel.
 
2012-08-31 05:32:21 PM  
No matter who wins at this point, Moore loses: Romney is diametrically opposed to everything Moore stands for, but his ability to vastly outspend Obama means that if Obama wins anyway, Moore's entire core political assumption -that we live in a plutocracy where money is the only real agent of change- falls apart. Either way, Moore loses.

For the record, I think Obama will win.
 
2012-08-31 05:33:11 PM  
Look, I think we can all agree that Obama needs to win in November, because if he doesn't, the cries of "Racism!" will be so shrill for the next four windows that glass objects worldwide will have an expected life of about 10 seconds.
 
2012-08-31 05:33:18 PM  
One more...

Copy pasta from Romney's Wiki page

During his years in business, Romney held several specific positions in the local lay clergy, which consists of worthy males over the age of 12. Around 1977, he became a counselor to the president of the Boston Stake. He served as bishop of the ward (ecclesiastical and administrative head of his congregation) at Belmont, Massachusetts, from 1981 to 1986. As such, in addition to home teaching, he also formulated Sunday services and classes using LDS scriptures to guide the congregation. He forged links with other religious institutions in the area when the Belmont meetinghouse was destroyed by a fire of suspicious origins in 1984; the congregation rotated its meetings to other houses of worship while the structure was rebuilt.

Romney isn't just a Mormon, he's been a leader in the Mormon church. He's drank the kool-aid and helped serve it to others, so to speak.

Romney is the most devoutly religious presidential candidate in my lifetime. I don't know if Obama deserves a second term; but Romney shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a first term.
 
2012-08-31 05:43:08 PM  

BigNumber12: Look, I think we can all agree that Obama needs to win in November, because if he doesn't, the cries of "Racism!" will be so shrill for the next four windows that glass objects worldwide will have an expected life of about 10 seconds.


I can think of a number of reasons far better than that.
 
2012-08-31 05:45:33 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?


No.
Did you think Huffpo is a conservative site?
 
2012-08-31 05:46:58 PM  

ManateeGag: he is a fat farking idiot and this proves it.


But your sentiments do not compute with trolls that all farkers are Moore apologists.
 
2012-08-31 05:49:39 PM  

Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says


Who cares what he says, he's a propagandist, and not even a competent one like Rove. His shiat literally only catches idiots who have even less than the average knowledge of policy (which is already bad to begin with) and if you actually respect his work as a legit statement of policy you should be ashamed of yourself.

//Whereas if you fall for one of Rove's bits you should also be ashamed of yourself, but it's more understandable, cause, y'know, competence.
 
2012-08-31 05:51:53 PM  

WombatControl: vygramul: jso2897: People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.

Nate Silver has truly impressed me, and I concur with your assessment.

I agree with this. But the problem with Nate Silver's predictions is that they're based largely on polls, which means that they're going to reflect the incomplete state of polling right now. That problem will lessen as more and better polls come out, but Silver is giving credence to old polls along with the new. That's not always bad, but it depends on how you do the weighting.

But the biggest problem with Silver's model is that he's the only one who knows how it works. There could be a whole shiat-ton of assumptions in there than could prejudice his analysis. The more shiat you add into a statistical model, the more opportunities for error you introduce.

Silver's a smart guy, and he does good work, but you should never take his stuff as gospel.


Yes we should rather listen to a blatant shill such as yourself.
 
2012-08-31 05:52:19 PM  

skykid: Bush had the benefit of 9/11 and "terror threats".


Bush had the benefit of Kerry. Obama has the benefit of Romney.
 
2012-08-31 05:52:22 PM  
I think Michael Moore is Dinesh D'Souza's biggest fan, 'cuz 2016 is gonna do for Mitt Romney what his Fahrenheit 9/11 did for John Kerry.

/That is, lose the election for him, of course.
 
2012-08-31 05:53:43 PM  
"I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

Find me a prominent mouthpiece of the political right that says its a mistake to assume their opposition is just a bunch of hippie socialists who want to make gay marriage mandatory and get hard at the thought of aborted fetuses and I'll go DOWN on you!
 
2012-08-31 05:57:29 PM  

Halli: WombatControl: vygramul: jso2897: People are expecting too much of these polls. Even 538 (the pick of the litter, IMHO) can only tell us what would happen if the election were held tomorrow - not 60 days from now.
The GOP has some catchup tp play - the "convention bump" hasn't worked out for them - we'll just have to see what they do next, and whether it does any good.

Nate Silver has truly impressed me, and I concur with your assessment.

I agree with this. But the problem with Nate Silver's predictions is that they're based largely on polls, which means that they're going to reflect the incomplete state of polling right now. That problem will lessen as more and better polls come out, but Silver is giving credence to old polls along with the new. That's not always bad, but it depends on how you do the weighting.

But the biggest problem with Silver's model is that he's the only one who knows how it works. There could be a whole shiat-ton of assumptions in there than could prejudice his analysis. The more shiat you add into a statistical model, the more opportunities for error you introduce.

Silver's a smart guy, and he does good work, but you should never take his stuff as gospel.

Yes we should rather listen to a blatant shill such as yourself.


I wonder if Wombat approves of Florida's protect the polls campaign.
 
2012-08-31 05:58:03 PM  
You farking morons need and deserve corporate rule. You really do. I want every last one of you to experience the fruit of your labour.
 
2012-08-31 05:58:10 PM  

WombatControl: Romney is going to win, and not just because he's outraising Obama and has more cash on hand. He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney. All this summer I've heard about how robotic Romney is, how he can't dare talk about Bain, how he's so out-of-touch, all the usual left-wing Obama Approved® talking points.

Mitt Romney said "fark it" to all of them. He didn't appear wooden last night. He didn't walk away from Bain. He showed a hell of a lot more life in him than I've ever seen from the guy. If that Mitt Romney shows up in the debates, it might not be that close.


Yeah, he said a lot of pretty things but no concrete plan of action.


"I have a plan that will create 8 million jobs"

Oh yeah...well I have a plan that will create 10 million jobs. Beat that Romney!
 
2012-08-31 05:59:45 PM  

Mrtraveler01: WombatControl: Romney is going to win, and not just because he's outraising Obama and has more cash on hand. He's going to win because Obama's whole strategy was based around making voters afraid of Romney. All this summer I've heard about how robotic Romney is, how he can't dare talk about Bain, how he's so out-of-touch, all the usual left-wing Obama Approved® talking points.

Mitt Romney said "fark it" to all of them. He didn't appear wooden last night. He didn't walk away from Bain. He showed a hell of a lot more life in him than I've ever seen from the guy. If that Mitt Romney shows up in the debates, it might not be that close.

Yeah, he said a lot of pretty things but no concrete plan of action.


"I have a plan that will create 8 million jobs"

Oh yeah...well I have a plan that will create 10 million jobs. Beat that Romney!


And in which country will you create those jobs, Mr. Romney?
 
2012-08-31 05:59:53 PM  
FTFA: "Mitt Romney is going to raise more money than Barack Obama. That should guarantee his victory," Moore told host Josh Zepps. "I think people should start to practice the words 'President Romney.' To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

Wait a minute... What is he trying to say here? Adam and Eve didn't ride on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago?
 
2012-08-31 05:59:54 PM  

ClintonKun: Didn't more of the "base" watch Honey Boo Boo than Romney's acceptance speech? I don't think many of them can muster up enough enthusiasm for Romney to bother voting for him. Nevertheless, the Dems shouldn't be caught with their pants down thinking they can't lose.


Perhaps that's why Moore is saying this. After all, conventional wisdom after 2008 was that the Republicans were done. Two years later, and they come back in a major way thanks to the Tea Party and morans who sat out the 2010 election. This yer we have Citizens United and a Republican voting base that might not love Romney, but they really don't like Obama. If people sit out this year the way they sat out 2010, then it could go for Romney.

Assuming Romney is Kerry 2.0 is risky. While the odds are in Obama's favor, and the RNC clearly didn't give Romney the bump he'd like, things could still happen. That's why voter turnout is so critical, and if you can vote but don't, you are part of the problem.

And if you look at Romney and Obama and don't see a lot of difference (both sides are bad so why bother) take a look at who might control Congress. Do you really want Romney to give the Tea Party a blank check to go nuts? Because giving them more power will make things so much worse. Remember, these are people would cheer on as America burned if they could blame Obama. (See Paul Ryan blame Obama for what he and his fellow Republican's did to America's credit rating.)

So vote. Every vote is sacred. Every vote is great. (If a vote is wasted, God gets quite irate)
 
2012-08-31 06:01:11 PM  
Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.
 
2012-08-31 06:01:21 PM  
Look at what you idiots are talking about. Would you respect you?
 
2012-08-31 06:01:49 PM  

saintstryfe: or he's gone stupid, that's entirely a possibility too


Maybe fat cells can turn cancerous and metastasize to the brain.
 
2012-08-31 06:02:52 PM  

burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.


You want him to talk like a pollster? You want him to sound like James Carville?
 
2012-08-31 06:04:01 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Look at what you idiots are talking about. Would you respect you?


Cue Ali G's address to the British parliament.

//restecp
 
2012-08-31 06:11:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?


Doubt it.
 
2012-08-31 06:14:26 PM  

The Great EZE: Okay, now you're getting ridiculous.


You're probably right :P

I certainly hope so anyways.
 
2012-08-31 06:22:32 PM  

ClintonKun: Didn't more of the "base" watch Honey Boo Boo than Romney's acceptance speech? I don't think many of them can muster up enough enthusiasm for Romney to bother voting for him. Nevertheless, the Dems shouldn't be caught with their pants down thinking they can't lose.


June/Sugar Bear 2016
Sugar Bear/Chubbs 2032
Three Thumbs/Trigg 2040
 
2012-08-31 06:24:12 PM  
You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?
 
2012-08-31 06:28:36 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?


What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.
 
2012-08-31 06:33:55 PM  

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.


You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?
 
2012-08-31 06:34:52 PM  

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.


Did you ever watch Wall Street?
 
2012-08-31 06:37:50 PM  
His theory sounds speculative at best. Declarative statements with not much substance. It's the Michael Moore way.
 
2012-08-31 06:41:10 PM  
If R-Money doesn't start looking more like a winner, won't the potential donors to his campaign realize he's a lost cause and so not throw their money down a rathole? That would take away R-Money's one advantage which is to out-spend Obama.

Is it really that hard to simply ignore Michael Moore if you don't like him? I don't get the hate that gets directed at him other than it being the base instinct to want to dogpile on the perceived-as-acceptable punching bag.
 
2012-08-31 06:49:14 PM  

saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.


Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.
 
2012-08-31 06:56:03 PM  

dervish16108: saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.

Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.


Have you missed all the whining about how Obama failed to do any of a number of unconstitutional things to circumvent the Republican abuse of the legislative process? I mean, I agree they're going to show up for him when push comes to shove, but their biggest grievance these past four years seems to be that he didn't want to be "their" Bush.
 
2012-08-31 07:04:37 PM  

burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.


I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.
 
2012-08-31 07:15:09 PM  

mrshowrules: burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.

I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.


Yeah, and everyone is forgetting one important detail: Obama knows how to fight back.

And when Obama fights back, he knows where to strike his audience where it counts. He convinced people that Bain gave some poor old lady cancer. He made America completely ignore the fact that he was running against a famous war hero with the lingering injuries to show for it. He made the Clintons (remember, the "first black President") look like racists. And he's only just starting on Mitt's skeletons. His is one of the smartest, most creative campaigns in modern history.

It'll be 3 boilerplate "Obama's failed policies" ad vs. one uber-personal "Romney and his people personally put these 1,000 plant workers out of work." ad. Three "ZOMG DEBT!" ads vs. one "Obamacare saved their cute, sick little girl" ad. Can't wait to see how it pans out.
 
2012-08-31 07:20:20 PM  
Yes, it is definitely true that by a very large percentage of the time, the candidate that gets the most money gets the votes. And Romney's got a LOT of rich backers.

I donate to Obama when I can. I hope everybody else does too.
 
2012-08-31 07:21:52 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?


Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.
 
2012-08-31 07:23:27 PM  

The Great EZE: mrshowrules: burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.

I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.

Yeah, and everyone is forgetting one important detail: Obama knows how to fight back.

And when Obama fights back, he knows where to strike his audience where it counts. He convinced people that Bain gave some poor old lady cancer. He made America completely ignore the fact that he was running against a famous war hero with the lingering injuries to show for it. He made the Clintons (remember, the "first black President") look like racists. And he's only just starting on Mitt's skeletons. His is one of the smartest, most creative campaigns in modern history.

It'll be 3 boilerplate "Obama's failed policies" ad vs. one uber-personal "Romney and his people personally put these 1,000 plant workers out of work." ad. Three "ZOMG DEBT!" ads vs. one "Obamacare saved their cute, sick little girl" ad. Can't wait to see how it pans out.


Another advantage is that Liberals are funnier. You got Colbert/Stewart doing stuff on Youtube that people will pull instead of you having to push.

If your stuff is funny/clever you can distribute it practically for free.
 
2012-08-31 07:26:47 PM  
Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.
 
2012-08-31 07:27:56 PM  

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?

Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.


I'd love to care about what you're doing. What are you doing?
 
2012-08-31 07:33:31 PM  

Omahawg: Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.


Bush convinced an entire nation to re-elect him so I'm going to say that anything is possible.
 
2012-08-31 07:36:08 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?

Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.

I'd love to care about what you're doing. What are you doing?


Being a punk, Clint. You gonna show me your 2nd amendment solution or what?
 
2012-08-31 07:37:27 PM  

coeyagi: Being a punk, Clint. You gonna show me your 2nd amendment solution or what?


stop it.
 
2012-08-31 07:37:57 PM  

mrshowrules: Omahawg: Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.

Bush convinced an entire nation to re-elect him so I'm going to say that anything is possible.


christ, don't remind me. i was half-dead in the hospital but still managed to finagle a ballot to vote against him.

all the pain meds I begged for that night weren't just because being half-dead hurts
 
2012-08-31 07:53:30 PM  

The Great EZE: dervish16108: saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.

Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.

Have you missed all the whining about how Obama failed to do any of a number of unconstitutional things to circumvent the Republican abuse of the legislative process? I mean, I agree they're going to show up for him when push comes to shove, but their biggest grievance these past four years seems to be that he didn't want to be "their" Bush.


Who cares if they "whine"? Shouldn't we be more concerned if they had nothing negative to say? The vast majority of them are painstakingly careful to add and stress that "... but I'm still going to vote for (Obama)!" It reminds me of that old Mad TV spoof of House where House's co-workers start with a critical statement but add a disclaimer at the end.
 
2012-08-31 07:56:22 PM  
I don't know which video to watch.....Ok, never mind all three videos are playing...... trying to stop the bottom one...... WTF it wont stop...

Great now all I hear is like 2 british dudes talking over three Michael Moores.
 
2012-08-31 08:00:53 PM  
Well of course he wants Rmoney to win! People like him don't make much money in times when there's a GOOD President in charge.

He's not a conservative, but he's still a dick.
 
2012-08-31 08:01:11 PM  
"To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

No, that's just the majority of their supporters who will vote for them no matter what.
 
2012-08-31 08:04:02 PM  
When's the last time a presidential candidate won without raising more money than his opponent? I still think Obama's more likely to win, but it could easily go the other way, especially when Rmoney has the resources to carpet bomb the airwaves with lies.

The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.
 
2012-08-31 08:19:53 PM  

Richard Roma: The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.


The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.
 
2012-08-31 08:55:24 PM  
Or they could ignore the fat provocateur and take my advice, and practice saying President Willard.

Willaaaaaaaaaard!

Willaaaaaaaaaard!

Willard the Fat Cat is gone away
Let the mice come out and play!
 
2012-08-31 09:00:06 PM  

dervish16108: The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.


I'd rather see that go the other way. After Romney loses this election, the GOP frontrunners for 2016 could be people like Rubio and Huntsman. That would give the Democrats a chance to pull back to the left, maybe bringing in some of the Green Party types. Or let the Democrats become a centrist party, and hope for a combination of young Hollywood donors, college professors, and social media to propel the Green Party into an actual left-wing influence.

Cause if this whole "two right-wing parties" thing keeps up, the rest of the world is going to leave us in the dust.
 
2012-08-31 09:05:20 PM  
People still care about Moore?

I thought he was a joke since he was exposed lying through omission and editing.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:02 PM  
Aaaaaaaaand Nate Silver says.........Nope. We're done here.
 
2012-08-31 09:22:30 PM  

clkeagle: dervish16108: The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.

I'd rather see that go the other way. After Romney loses this election, the GOP frontrunners for 2016 could be people like Rubio and Huntsman. That would give the Democrats a chance to pull back to the left, maybe bringing in some of the Green Party types. Or let the Democrats become a centrist party, and hope for a combination of young Hollywood donors, college professors, and social media to propel the Green Party into an actual left-wing influence.

Cause if this whole "two right-wing parties" thing keeps up, the rest of the world is going to leave us in the dust.


I think actual liberals have to decide if a right-wing clusterfark is worth creating a third party over. It might crater the Democrats, but if they're not giving us a real choice, they should deserve to be cratered. Obviously, they should've done something when the Dems nominated Kerry in '04, but they need to do something or be trampled by the machine...
 
2012-08-31 09:27:02 PM  

ModernPrimitive01: As a far left liberal I want to like Moore, but he just comes off as assholish to me. Bowling for Columbine was good but after, meh............

He says some stupid flame worthy stuff sometimes and sometimes he gets it right, but he isn't someone that should be speaking for anyone else.


Well, I only got to read Dude, Where's My Country?, and given that my grandma is, I kid you not, about as extreme as Limbaugh, I found it hilarious. Still find some of it amusing now that my sense of humor is up to relatively adult levels. The guy's a decent comedian.

But yeah, he really needs to STFU unless he's cracking a joke.
 
2012-08-31 09:35:17 PM  
Your concern is duly noted.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:47 PM  

Nemo's Brother: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

I never see dens call Rush fat. Never. Michael Moore is a lying whore. Like you.


minnesotaindependent.com
 
2012-08-31 09:51:44 PM  

mrshowrules: The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried, but I threw up in my mouth before I could say the whole thing.

I'm Canadian and I can't say it without thinking of different ways of killing myself.


I'm Canadian and it makes me want to bite off my tongue.
 
2012-08-31 10:32:13 PM  

BigNumber12: Look, I think we can all agree that Obama needs to win in November, because if he doesn't, the cries of "Racism!" will be so shrill for the next four windows that glass objects worldwide will have an expected life of about 10 seconds.



Drinking + Shrieking Toddler = This Post
 
2012-08-31 10:42:02 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.


Fear-mongering, yes, he is using your fear to convense you to vote and not just assume its in the bag. This type of fear pushing in neccesary, as too many would stay at home and Romney just might win.
 
2012-08-31 10:49:57 PM  
Does anyone actually care what this man has to say? The only place his opinion may be relevant would be on The Food Network.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:11 PM  

Kenny B: Does anyone actually care what this man has to say? The only place his opinion may be relevant would be on The Food Network.


does Michael Moore like food or something? I don't get it
 
2012-08-31 11:04:09 PM  
A little early to call it.
 
2012-08-31 11:33:39 PM  

dervish16108: Richard Roma: The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.

The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.


Wrong. If anything, this election will show that the winning plan for Democrats is to return to their FDR roots and become MORE liberal. Let the rightards herpaderp themselves into extinction if they refuse to change, but so far, the more Progressive ideas HAVE been working while Europe is wallowing in it's austerity clusterfugg..
 
2012-08-31 11:34:12 PM  
Brian Ross said his networks political statisticians said this election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states. Counties.
 
2012-08-31 11:36:41 PM  

MindStalker: The My Little Pony Killer: He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.

Fear-mongering, yes, he is using your fear to convense you to vote and not just assume its in the bag. This type of fear pushing in neccesary, as too many would stay at home and Romney just might win.


Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.
 
2012-08-31 11:48:31 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.


I'm in Texas and therefore my vote means nothing (thanks, electoral college), but I'm voting just so I can tell any Teahadists who approach me outside the polls to go fark themselves.

And I'm tempted to, if Obama wins, go around town that night pasting signs of his grinning face everywhere accompanied by the caption "U MAD?"
 
2012-08-31 11:55:58 PM  

Boudica's War Tampon: Brian Ross said his networks political statisticians said this election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states. Counties.


I gotta say [Citation Needed] on that. Elaborate, please.
 
2012-09-01 12:06:51 AM  
The polls at this point showed Kerry winning easily in 2004 and then, like now, I watched people insist that it was already over.

1980 showed Reagan way behind at this point.

For those of you that think there is "no way" Obama can lose, or that there's only a "slim chance", I strongly suggest you wake up and smell what you've been shoveling.
 
2012-09-01 12:17:32 AM  

randomjsa: The polls at this point showed Kerry winning easily in 2004 and then, like now, I watched people insist that it was already over.

1980 showed Reagan way behind at this point.

For those of you that think there is "no way" Obama can lose, or that there's only a "slim chance", I strongly suggest you wake up and smell what you've been shoveling.


Don't troll about things that can easily be found via 10 seconds of googling. Rookie mistake. You're better than that.
 
2012-09-01 01:03:37 AM  

clambam: I think this is a legitimate concern. The lesson of the Wisconsin recall election was "outspend your opponent 8-to-1 and you will win." Expect a deluge of Romney ads in the waning days of the election. I can only hope that Obama is holding something truly damning in reserve, and that Romney will blurt out something truly unbelievable, which he has a tendency to do. The trick is to get him in front of an audience exactly 50% normal and 50% Teabagger. In his uncontrollable need to pander to both sides simultaenously, he might come out with something good, like "One of the most important lessons I learned during my days as the Zodiac Killer..."


You laugh but he was at Stanford at the time of the killings. The killings started again when he returned from France. Down to the month. The killings that happened when he was at BYU ocourred on the east side of the city/. He matches the description and the police sketch and of the very few (strangely very few) handwriting samples available, Mitt's handwriting matches too. Try to read a Zodiac Killer letter NOT in Mitt Romney's voice. It can't be done. Oh and Zodiac and Mitt both had the cop uniforms and the bubblegum lights for their cars. upload.wikimedia.org Only Mitt would think glasses are a disguise.
 
2012-09-01 01:15:08 AM  

Richard Roma: TV's Vinnie: Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.

I'm in Texas and therefore my vote means nothing (thanks, electoral college), but I'm voting just so I can tell any Teahadists who approach me outside the polls to go fark themselves.

And I'm tempted to, if Obama wins, go around town that night pasting signs of his grinning face everywhere accompanied by the caption "U MAD?"


do what I did last time and drive around town, slowly, while blasting out 'chocolate city' by parliament and 'funky president' by james brown. i had many lulz
 
2012-09-01 01:17:16 AM  

j_twelve: Gyrfalcon: Mike Chewbacca:And last I checked, the GOP was big on spending cuts, especially in government.

notsureifserious.jpg


I guess I should have said they're big on "cutting government" which is different.
 
2012-09-01 01:25:51 AM  

TV's Vinnie: MindStalker: The My Little Pony Killer: He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.

Fear-mongering, yes, he is using your fear to convense you to vote and not just assume its in the bag. This type of fear pushing in neccesary, as too many would stay at home and Romney just might win.

Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.


Thus it has always been with young teens, rebelling against their elders
 
2012-09-01 01:31:30 AM  
I live in the reddest part of a red state and I think some people will seriously stroke out when he wins again. Like blood from their eyes aneurysms. I also think their anger helps to keep them alive but goddamn are they tiresome to listen to. Functionally retarded too.
 
2012-09-01 02:05:35 AM  

Omahawg: Richard Roma: TV's Vinnie: Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.

I'm in Texas and therefore my vote means nothing (thanks, electoral college), but I'm voting just so I can tell any Teahadists who approach me outside the polls to go fark themselves.

And I'm tempted to, if Obama wins, go around town that night pasting signs of his grinning face everywhere accompanied by the caption "U MAD?"

do what I did last time and drive around town, slowly, while blasting out 'chocolate city' by parliament and 'funky president' by james brown. i had many lulz


Did you see any muslins dancing in the street to your tunes? Steve King promised there were gonna be muslins dancing in the streets that night, but I never saw any. This made me scared cuz I think our local muslins stayed home that night to work on their bombs.
 
2012-09-01 05:13:22 AM  

skykid: Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 197x500]


While 71% chance of winning the election is a distinct advantage.... I wouldn't count that as a "slam dunk". Plenty of people have gotten screwed on the river going all in on a hand they were up 70-30 on.
 
2012-09-01 05:53:02 AM  

MurphyMurphy: And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November


This is the most compelling argument I've heard thus far. It is far more compelling than it should be.

Romney is spending a lot of money right now and he's at 48% in the polls. Let's say that holds true on election day. If Romney wants to move that number to 49%, he needs to double what he's spending now.

If he wants to bump that up to 50%, he'll have to quadruple it. If he wants to go to 51% to blow the election out, he will have to octuple his campaign spending.

Money has less influence than you might think.
 
2012-09-01 10:30:13 AM  

andrewagill: MurphyMurphy: And the money.... they have SO MUCH MONEY over Obama, and money wins elections. Undecided voters are the stupidest people on the planet (and a demographic that usually turns out in high numbers) and they will be barraged with pro-Romney rhetoric between now and November

This is the most compelling argument I've heard thus far. It is far more compelling than it should be.

Romney is spending a lot of money right now and he's at 48% in the polls. Let's say that holds true on election day. If Romney wants to move that number to 49%, he needs to double what he's spending now.

If he wants to bump that up to 50%, he'll have to quadruple it. If he wants to go to 51% to blow the election out, he will have to octuple his campaign spending.

Money has less influence than you might think.


No, its just exponentially more expensive to "buy" votes as you move up the intelligence curve. There will always be some that are unreachable: I wouldn't vote to Romney even if he did pay me.

Its all a sham anyway. A national pep rally to pick between two members of the same team. Its the 1980s WWF with all the anger and vitriol in public, but all the players follow the same script and are paid by the same people.

I worry that Obama's reelection will lead some of the more derpy members of our society to acts of violence. There is good chance of attempts on Obama's life. There are just too many stupid angry people in this country ... too many stupid angry people with guns.
 
2012-09-01 10:45:37 AM  

dletter: skykid: Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 197x500]

While 71% chance of winning the election is a distinct advantage.... I wouldn't count that as a "slam dunk". Plenty of people have gotten screwed on the river going all in on a hand they were up 70-30 on.


Problem is Romney hasn't hit over 40% in the 538 projection since Early June the first week when Silver began his projection.

If Romney didn't get a bump from picking Ryan he sure as hell isn't going to get a huge bump after the disaster of a convention he just had from Ryan's lies to Clint's "Old Man Yells At Chair" act.

Romney's only hope to get back at a fighting shot of Obama is the debates and given that he can lose his cool if his opponent tells him how the weather was today, I wouldn't have any confidence if I were a Republican that the campaign is going to get better.
 
2012-09-01 12:03:51 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Boudica's War Tampon: Brian Ross said his networks political statisticians said this election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states. Counties.

I gotta say [Citation Needed] on that. Elaborate, please.


I wasn't going to say anything earlier, but a little thought exercise seems to make that unlikely. If you look at what it would take for Romney to win, a near sweep of the swing states, it suggests that each state is swung by only two counties. I guess you could make the argument that you generally don't win some states without winning others, and you generally don't win some counties without winning others, but that's not the same as saying you can just campaign in those counties and expect to win. Those 12 counties might be able to predict how you did nationwide, but that doesn't mean that only their votes count or that their votes make the difference.

It's like watering your garden and finding that the downhill plot does the best, and that if it has bad tomatoes, your entire garden is going to suck, but if it has great tomatoes, your garden is doing well. That doesn't mean you no longer have to water any plants other than those in that one plot.
 
2012-09-01 12:39:00 PM  

Richard Roma: I'm in Texas and therefore my vote means nothing (thanks, electoral college)


graphics8.nytimes.com

It's not an electoral college problem. It's a Texas problem, and it's not insurmountable.


John McCain Rep. 4,467,748 55.5% -5.6% 34
Barack Obama Dem. 3,521,164 43.8 +5.5
 
2012-09-01 12:53:22 PM  

skykid: dletter: skykid: Sure Michael I'll just leave this here for you.

[farm9.staticflickr.com image 197x500]

While 71% chance of winning the election is a distinct advantage.... I wouldn't count that as a "slam dunk". Plenty of people have gotten screwed on the river going all in on a hand they were up 70-30 on.

Problem is Romney hasn't hit over 40% in the 538 projection since Early June the first week when Silver began his projection.

If Romney didn't get a bump from picking Ryan he sure as hell isn't going to get a huge bump after the disaster of a convention he just had from Ryan's lies to Clint's "Old Man Yells At Chair" act.

Romney's only hope to get back at a fighting shot of Obama is the debates and given that he can lose his cool if his opponent tells him how the weather was today, I wouldn't have any confidence if I were a Republican that the campaign is going to get better.


Agreed, but, again, if we are to assume that his projection odds are true "odds"... 30% isn't "awful" odds. If it was 95-5%, you'd say it was a huge upset for Romney to win the election. At 70 to 30%, while Obama is favored... I wouldn't call it a "huge upset", maybe an upset, but, Romney was in the "running". If the odds were at something like 95-5%, Romney winning would be a huge upset, to the extent where if he did win you'd almost have to assume that things outside of how people would be expected to vote played a heavy influence.... a good example of that will be PA... right now Nate has Obama as having a 90% chance of winning PA...... with those odds, Romney actually winning PA would have to be chalked up to the voter ID laws affecting the expected outcome of the vote, rather than his really being expected to win.
 
2012-09-01 01:05:28 PM  
Shut your yapd1ck, Moore.
 
2012-09-01 03:43:07 PM  

ghare: CPennypacker: Psst. He's trying to scare dems Americans into voting. They should be scared and vote.

If every eligible American voted, there would be no chance of a Romney Presidency.

Which is, of course, why there are so many Republican-led voter disenfranchisement policies in place.


THIS.
If every american who could vote actually did so, the slate would be nearly wiped clean of republicans from the oval office to your local city council for generations.
This thought is what makes republicans sh*t themselves. Fewer voters = more (R)'s.

Complacency is the enemy.
Democrats should get their asses to the polls by any means necessary.
 
2012-09-01 05:29:41 PM  

schubie: clambam: I think this is a legitimate concern. The lesson of the Wisconsin recall election was "outspend your opponent 8-to-1 and you will win." Expect a deluge of Romney ads in the waning days of the election. I can only hope that Obama is holding something truly damning in reserve, and that Romney will blurt out something truly unbelievable, which he has a tendency to do. The trick is to get him in front of an audience exactly 50% normal and 50% Teabagger. In his uncontrollable need to pander to both sides simultaenously, he might come out with something good, like "One of the most important lessons I learned during my days as the Zodiac Killer..."

You laugh but he was at Stanford at the time of the killings. The killings started again when he returned from France. Down to the month. The killings that happened when he was at BYU ocourred on the east side of the city/. He matches the description and the police sketch and of the very few (strangely very few) handwriting samples available, Mitt's handwriting matches too. Try to read a Zodiac Killer letter NOT in Mitt Romney's voice. It can't be done. Oh and Zodiac and Mitt both had the cop uniforms and the bubblegum lights for their cars. [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324] Only Mitt would think glasses are a disguise.


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2012-09-01 08:12:14 PM  

whidbey: schubie: clambam: I think this is a legitimate concern. The lesson of the Wisconsin recall election was "outspend your opponent 8-to-1 and you will win." Expect a deluge of Romney ads in the waning days of the election. I can only hope that Obama is holding something truly damning in reserve, and that Romney will blurt out something truly unbelievable, which he has a tendency to do. The trick is to get him in front of an audience exactly 50% normal and 50% Teabagger. In his uncontrollable need to pander to both sides simultaenously, he might come out with something good, like "One of the most important lessons I learned during my days as the Zodiac Killer..."

You laugh but he was at Stanford at the time of the killings. The killings started again when he returned from France. Down to the month. The killings that happened when he was at BYU ocourred on the east side of the city/. He matches the description and the police sketch and of the very few (strangely very few) handwriting samples available, Mitt's handwriting matches too. Try to read a Zodiac Killer letter NOT in Mitt Romney's voice. It can't be done. Oh and Zodiac and Mitt both had the cop uniforms and the bubblegum lights for their cars. [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x324] Only Mitt Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster would think glasses are a disguise.

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2012-09-01 08:32:16 PM  
I respect people more when they admit that there are intelligent people on both sides.
 
2012-09-01 09:31:28 PM  
I'm looking forward to saying President Romney.

I hope he can turn our country around. I also hope that Dems and Repub's can work together for the betterment of the United States.

/confident in the first
//not as much in the second
 
2012-09-02 01:59:12 PM  
But we can all do cool stuff like call him "Sh*tt Romney* and "FartMittBongo" and stuff while they finish cleaning out the treasury. The very fact that we still think that these elections have any effect on the agenda of the people who actually own and run this country - and whom, I might add, are also dismantling and selling it - is testament to the fact that we're too stupid to stop them.
 
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