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2012-08-31 06:11:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So suddenly conservatives care about what Moore says?


Doubt it.
 
2012-08-31 06:14:26 PM

The Great EZE: Okay, now you're getting ridiculous.


You're probably right :P

I certainly hope so anyways.
 
2012-08-31 06:22:32 PM

ClintonKun: Didn't more of the "base" watch Honey Boo Boo than Romney's acceptance speech? I don't think many of them can muster up enough enthusiasm for Romney to bother voting for him. Nevertheless, the Dems shouldn't be caught with their pants down thinking they can't lose.


June/Sugar Bear 2016
Sugar Bear/Chubbs 2032
Three Thumbs/Trigg 2040
 
2012-08-31 06:24:12 PM
You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?
 
2012-08-31 06:28:36 PM

Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?


What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.
 
2012-08-31 06:33:55 PM

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.


You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?
 
2012-08-31 06:34:52 PM

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.


Did you ever watch Wall Street?
 
2012-08-31 06:37:50 PM
His theory sounds speculative at best. Declarative statements with not much substance. It's the Michael Moore way.
 
2012-08-31 06:41:10 PM
If R-Money doesn't start looking more like a winner, won't the potential donors to his campaign realize he's a lost cause and so not throw their money down a rathole? That would take away R-Money's one advantage which is to out-spend Obama.

Is it really that hard to simply ignore Michael Moore if you don't like him? I don't get the hate that gets directed at him other than it being the base instinct to want to dogpile on the perceived-as-acceptable punching bag.
 
2012-08-31 06:49:14 PM

saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.


Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.
 
2012-08-31 06:56:03 PM

dervish16108: saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.

Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.


Have you missed all the whining about how Obama failed to do any of a number of unconstitutional things to circumvent the Republican abuse of the legislative process? I mean, I agree they're going to show up for him when push comes to shove, but their biggest grievance these past four years seems to be that he didn't want to be "their" Bush.
 
2012-08-31 07:04:37 PM

burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.


I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.
 
2012-08-31 07:15:09 PM

mrshowrules: burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.

I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.


Yeah, and everyone is forgetting one important detail: Obama knows how to fight back.

And when Obama fights back, he knows where to strike his audience where it counts. He convinced people that Bain gave some poor old lady cancer. He made America completely ignore the fact that he was running against a famous war hero with the lingering injuries to show for it. He made the Clintons (remember, the "first black President") look like racists. And he's only just starting on Mitt's skeletons. His is one of the smartest, most creative campaigns in modern history.

It'll be 3 boilerplate "Obama's failed policies" ad vs. one uber-personal "Romney and his people personally put these 1,000 plant workers out of work." ad. Three "ZOMG DEBT!" ads vs. one "Obamacare saved their cute, sick little girl" ad. Can't wait to see how it pans out.
 
2012-08-31 07:20:20 PM
Yes, it is definitely true that by a very large percentage of the time, the candidate that gets the most money gets the votes. And Romney's got a LOT of rich backers.

I donate to Obama when I can. I hope everybody else does too.
 
2012-08-31 07:21:52 PM

Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?


Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.
 
2012-08-31 07:23:27 PM

The Great EZE: mrshowrules: burndtdan: Moore is accounting for the statistical significance of money in determining electoral outcomes, but is not accounting for the at-least-as-strong significance of incumbency. Also, while I can generally agree with his opinions, he hasn't shown any aptitude for predicting outcomes of anything ever.

I was thinking of a little thought experiment. Assuming you couldn't be sued for libel, how much money would a PR campaign cost to convince most Americans that Tom Hanks was a farking asshole?

I'm not saying Obama is Tom Hanks but I think there is a limit on that narrative you can create for any person regardless of how much money you have. You can run 24 hour advertisements on every major TV station and you still won't be able to convince more than 30% of the population that Obama caused the economic mess you guys are recovering from or that you need to cut taxes for rich people to create more jobs.

Yeah, and everyone is forgetting one important detail: Obama knows how to fight back.

And when Obama fights back, he knows where to strike his audience where it counts. He convinced people that Bain gave some poor old lady cancer. He made America completely ignore the fact that he was running against a famous war hero with the lingering injuries to show for it. He made the Clintons (remember, the "first black President") look like racists. And he's only just starting on Mitt's skeletons. His is one of the smartest, most creative campaigns in modern history.

It'll be 3 boilerplate "Obama's failed policies" ad vs. one uber-personal "Romney and his people personally put these 1,000 plant workers out of work." ad. Three "ZOMG DEBT!" ads vs. one "Obamacare saved their cute, sick little girl" ad. Can't wait to see how it pans out.


Another advantage is that Liberals are funnier. You got Colbert/Stewart doing stuff on Youtube that people will pull instead of you having to push.

If your stuff is funny/clever you can distribute it practically for free.
 
2012-08-31 07:26:47 PM
Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.
 
2012-08-31 07:27:56 PM

coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?

Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.


I'd love to care about what you're doing. What are you doing?
 
2012-08-31 07:33:31 PM

Omahawg: Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.


Bush convinced an entire nation to re-elect him so I'm going to say that anything is possible.
 
2012-08-31 07:36:08 PM

Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: coeyagi: Phil Moskowitz: You're all kind of screwed up people without a real basis in reality. Who do you turn to?

What are you on about?

//are you here for drugs?
///I don't know why I'm here. What are you here for?
//// drugs.

You're on the brink of electing a corporatist president. Do you have any clue what that is?

Which one would that be? I just don't want to be voting for a Jebus-ist president, you know, the one who makes policy based on Jebus or rather, what retards THINK Jebus approved of.

I'd love to care about what you're doing. What are you doing?


Being a punk, Clint. You gonna show me your 2nd amendment solution or what?
 
2012-08-31 07:37:27 PM

coeyagi: Being a punk, Clint. You gonna show me your 2nd amendment solution or what?


stop it.
 
2012-08-31 07:37:57 PM

mrshowrules: Omahawg: Can Mittens seriously convince the majority of Americans that he is sincere with his claims that more tax cuts for the wealthy will put the economy on steroids?

that's a mighty big mountain, lou, and the guy isn't all that personable. I would be dubious buying a used toyota from the guy.

Bush convinced an entire nation to re-elect him so I'm going to say that anything is possible.


christ, don't remind me. i was half-dead in the hospital but still managed to finagle a ballot to vote against him.

all the pain meds I begged for that night weren't just because being half-dead hurts
 
2012-08-31 07:53:30 PM

The Great EZE: dervish16108: saintstryfe: Moore is just trying to light a fire under progressives who still are harumphing that Obama dare kill enemies of the US without asking first and didn't hang Dick Cheney from the Washington Monument.

Nice strawman. Virtually everyone who identifies as "progressive" (too afraid to say the word liberal?) will vote democrat no matter what. President Obama could abolish medicare, and they'll still vote for him, just so long as republicans not only pledge to abolish medicare, but force grandmothers to shine the shoes of 1%ers.

Have you missed all the whining about how Obama failed to do any of a number of unconstitutional things to circumvent the Republican abuse of the legislative process? I mean, I agree they're going to show up for him when push comes to shove, but their biggest grievance these past four years seems to be that he didn't want to be "their" Bush.


Who cares if they "whine"? Shouldn't we be more concerned if they had nothing negative to say? The vast majority of them are painstakingly careful to add and stress that "... but I'm still going to vote for (Obama)!" It reminds me of that old Mad TV spoof of House where House's co-workers start with a critical statement but add a disclaimer at the end.
 
2012-08-31 07:56:22 PM
I don't know which video to watch.....Ok, never mind all three videos are playing...... trying to stop the bottom one...... WTF it wont stop...

Great now all I hear is like 2 british dudes talking over three Michael Moores.
 
2012-08-31 08:00:53 PM
Well of course he wants Rmoney to win! People like him don't make much money in times when there's a GOOD President in charge.

He's not a conservative, but he's still a dick.
 
2012-08-31 08:01:11 PM
"To assume that the other side are just a bunch of ignoramuses who are supported by people who believe that Adam and Eve rode on dinosaurs 6,000 years ago is to completely misjudge the opposition."

No, that's just the majority of their supporters who will vote for them no matter what.
 
2012-08-31 08:04:02 PM
When's the last time a presidential candidate won without raising more money than his opponent? I still think Obama's more likely to win, but it could easily go the other way, especially when Rmoney has the resources to carpet bomb the airwaves with lies.

The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.
 
2012-08-31 08:19:53 PM

Richard Roma: The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.


The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.
 
2012-08-31 08:55:24 PM
Or they could ignore the fat provocateur and take my advice, and practice saying President Willard.

Willaaaaaaaaaard!

Willaaaaaaaaaard!

Willard the Fat Cat is gone away
Let the mice come out and play!
 
2012-08-31 09:00:06 PM

dervish16108: The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.


I'd rather see that go the other way. After Romney loses this election, the GOP frontrunners for 2016 could be people like Rubio and Huntsman. That would give the Democrats a chance to pull back to the left, maybe bringing in some of the Green Party types. Or let the Democrats become a centrist party, and hope for a combination of young Hollywood donors, college professors, and social media to propel the Green Party into an actual left-wing influence.

Cause if this whole "two right-wing parties" thing keeps up, the rest of the world is going to leave us in the dust.
 
2012-08-31 09:05:20 PM
People still care about Moore?

I thought he was a joke since he was exposed lying through omission and editing.
 
2012-08-31 09:18:02 PM
Aaaaaaaaand Nate Silver says.........Nope. We're done here.
 
2012-08-31 09:22:30 PM

clkeagle: dervish16108: The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.

I'd rather see that go the other way. After Romney loses this election, the GOP frontrunners for 2016 could be people like Rubio and Huntsman. That would give the Democrats a chance to pull back to the left, maybe bringing in some of the Green Party types. Or let the Democrats become a centrist party, and hope for a combination of young Hollywood donors, college professors, and social media to propel the Green Party into an actual left-wing influence.

Cause if this whole "two right-wing parties" thing keeps up, the rest of the world is going to leave us in the dust.


I think actual liberals have to decide if a right-wing clusterfark is worth creating a third party over. It might crater the Democrats, but if they're not giving us a real choice, they should deserve to be cratered. Obviously, they should've done something when the Dems nominated Kerry in '04, but they need to do something or be trampled by the machine...
 
2012-08-31 09:27:02 PM

ModernPrimitive01: As a far left liberal I want to like Moore, but he just comes off as assholish to me. Bowling for Columbine was good but after, meh............

He says some stupid flame worthy stuff sometimes and sometimes he gets it right, but he isn't someone that should be speaking for anyone else.


Well, I only got to read Dude, Where's My Country?, and given that my grandma is, I kid you not, about as extreme as Limbaugh, I found it hilarious. Still find some of it amusing now that my sense of humor is up to relatively adult levels. The guy's a decent comedian.

But yeah, he really needs to STFU unless he's cracking a joke.
 
2012-08-31 09:35:17 PM
Your concern is duly noted.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:47 PM

Nemo's Brother: Walker: Who cares what he says, he's fat!

/Typical Republican response to anything Michael Moore says

I never see dens call Rush fat. Never. Michael Moore is a lying whore. Like you.


minnesotaindependent.com
 
2012-08-31 09:51:44 PM

mrshowrules: The Dog Ate My Homework: I tried, but I threw up in my mouth before I could say the whole thing.

I'm Canadian and I can't say it without thinking of different ways of killing myself.


I'm Canadian and it makes me want to bite off my tongue.
 
2012-08-31 10:32:13 PM

BigNumber12: Look, I think we can all agree that Obama needs to win in November, because if he doesn't, the cries of "Racism!" will be so shrill for the next four windows that glass objects worldwide will have an expected life of about 10 seconds.



Drinking + Shrieking Toddler = This Post
 
2012-08-31 10:42:02 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.


Fear-mongering, yes, he is using your fear to convense you to vote and not just assume its in the bag. This type of fear pushing in neccesary, as too many would stay at home and Romney just might win.
 
2012-08-31 10:49:57 PM
Does anyone actually care what this man has to say? The only place his opinion may be relevant would be on The Food Network.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:11 PM

Kenny B: Does anyone actually care what this man has to say? The only place his opinion may be relevant would be on The Food Network.


does Michael Moore like food or something? I don't get it
 
2012-08-31 11:04:09 PM
A little early to call it.
 
2012-08-31 11:33:39 PM

dervish16108: Richard Roma: The only good thing about a Rmoney presidency is that he and what would probably be a Repugnantcan-controlled house and senate would so thoroughly trash the nation that they'll experience another 2008-style thrashing in 2016. But it probably wouldn't mean much, because after four more years of corporate government the nation will most likely be unsalvageable.

The 2016 democratic front-runner would likely be New York's Andrew Cuomo, the Koch-funded conservative who's been cutting social safety nets since he got into office. He'll make Obama look like Bernie Sanders.

I think by 2020, the democratic party will have politicians on par with Gingrich (regardless of whether they win or lose the next few elections), and the republicans will have reached new rightward limits reminiscent of a banana republic.


Wrong. If anything, this election will show that the winning plan for Democrats is to return to their FDR roots and become MORE liberal. Let the rightards herpaderp themselves into extinction if they refuse to change, but so far, the more Progressive ideas HAVE been working while Europe is wallowing in it's austerity clusterfugg..
 
2012-08-31 11:34:12 PM
Brian Ross said his networks political statisticians said this election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states. Counties.
 
2012-08-31 11:36:41 PM

MindStalker: The My Little Pony Killer: He's fear-mongering. Probably has another film coming up.

Fear-mongering, yes, he is using your fear to convense you to vote and not just assume its in the bag. This type of fear pushing in neccesary, as too many would stay at home and Romney just might win.


Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.
 
2012-08-31 11:48:31 PM

TV's Vinnie: Even if it is a done deal for Obama, I'm still going to go out and vote anyway. I WANT to take part in extending a collective middle-finger to the face of every teabagger, Randroid, plutocrat, rightard, and supply-side jaggoff out there.


I'm in Texas and therefore my vote means nothing (thanks, electoral college), but I'm voting just so I can tell any Teahadists who approach me outside the polls to go fark themselves.

And I'm tempted to, if Obama wins, go around town that night pasting signs of his grinning face everywhere accompanied by the caption "U MAD?"
 
2012-08-31 11:55:58 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: Brian Ross said his networks political statisticians said this election comes down to 12 COUNTIES. Not states. Counties.


I gotta say [Citation Needed] on that. Elaborate, please.
 
2012-09-01 12:06:51 AM
The polls at this point showed Kerry winning easily in 2004 and then, like now, I watched people insist that it was already over.

1980 showed Reagan way behind at this point.

For those of you that think there is "no way" Obama can lose, or that there's only a "slim chance", I strongly suggest you wake up and smell what you've been shoveling.
 
2012-09-01 12:17:32 AM

randomjsa: The polls at this point showed Kerry winning easily in 2004 and then, like now, I watched people insist that it was already over.

1980 showed Reagan way behind at this point.

For those of you that think there is "no way" Obama can lose, or that there's only a "slim chance", I strongly suggest you wake up and smell what you've been shoveling.


Don't troll about things that can easily be found via 10 seconds of googling. Rookie mistake. You're better than that.
 
2012-09-01 01:03:37 AM

clambam: I think this is a legitimate concern. The lesson of the Wisconsin recall election was "outspend your opponent 8-to-1 and you will win." Expect a deluge of Romney ads in the waning days of the election. I can only hope that Obama is holding something truly damning in reserve, and that Romney will blurt out something truly unbelievable, which he has a tendency to do. The trick is to get him in front of an audience exactly 50% normal and 50% Teabagger. In his uncontrollable need to pander to both sides simultaenously, he might come out with something good, like "One of the most important lessons I learned during my days as the Zodiac Killer..."


You laugh but he was at Stanford at the time of the killings. The killings started again when he returned from France. Down to the month. The killings that happened when he was at BYU ocourred on the east side of the city/. He matches the description and the police sketch and of the very few (strangely very few) handwriting samples available, Mitt's handwriting matches too. Try to read a Zodiac Killer letter NOT in Mitt Romney's voice. It can't be done. Oh and Zodiac and Mitt both had the cop uniforms and the bubblegum lights for their cars. upload.wikimedia.org Only Mitt would think glasses are a disguise.
 
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