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(WBIR Knoxville)   If you get away with murdering a police officer and the friend riding along on patrol with him, you probably shouldn't post crime scene photos of the victims on facebook. Or put them up on a big billboard on your property. Just sayin'   (wbir.com) divider line 88
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2012-08-31 01:06:32 PM
Cops have no respect and overall are just punks and criminals hiding behind a badge. Fark them. Go have a cry law and order freaks.
 
2012-08-31 01:06:32 PM

special20: Oliver Twisted: Anyone out there know the story behind the initial shooting?

google-fu:
"Prosecutors claimed the pair went to serve an outstanding arrest warrant for Rocky Houston on a charge of failure to appear in court. The brothers insist the men came to kill them. Prosecutors couldn't prove who shot first, and no jury ever found either Houston guilty of any crime in either man's death."


It seems dubious at best that someone serving a warrant would take a friend on a ride along.
 
2012-08-31 01:14:46 PM

ActionFigure: clyph: special20: That DA, and the TBI sure have a lot of butt-hurt going on.

Photos in question were evidence in the trial. That makes them part of the public record.

DA and TBI need to get over it.

"Poorest of taste" is still protected by the First Amendment.

Get over the people who killed your friends and colleagues displaying photos of the dead bodies?
How do you "get over" that?


With fire! A couple of moltovs tossed onto the signs and pictures aught to do it.
 
2012-08-31 01:17:20 PM

ha-ha-guy: Well I think we can pretty much be assured next time the police come these guys property, they will be coming to kill them.


Maybe they should put some sort of sign up to show the dirty pigs what happened last time someone tried that??? Or is the first step to get the sign taken down so the cowardly cops and charge in shooting?
 
2012-08-31 01:17:23 PM
Stupid auto play ads. Ugh.
 
2012-08-31 01:18:08 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ya know, there's a reason cheering the deaths of cops is disliked by many of us here on Fark. This is one of them.


Because the fewer dirty cops there are, the less likelyhood one will murder you?
 
2012-08-31 01:24:26 PM
The cops in this country are just as evil and corrupt as the politicians.

I don't trust any of them.

There is more to this story.

I'm pretty good at reading between the lines.
These pigs are corrupt and unlawful. Happens every single day.
 
2012-08-31 01:25:01 PM
Surprisingly this gun toting troll is an Obama supporter not a tea partier.

"We are trying to report federal crimes, and we feel like our plea has fallen on deaf ears," he said. "We're praying President Barack Obama will turn toward East Tennessee. I'm preparing a package for him right now."
 
2012-08-31 01:31:13 PM

JerkyMeat: Cops have no respect and overall are just punks and criminals hiding behind a badge. Fark them. Go have a cry law and order freaks.


This and pics or it didn't happen.
 
2012-08-31 01:31:59 PM

twiztedjustin: Two brothers named Rocky and Leon, and they're white?


UNPOSSIBLE


They killed a cop and got away with it, so obviously they aren't black.
 
2012-08-31 01:33:30 PM

ActionFigure: clyph: special20: That DA, and the TBI sure have a lot of butt-hurt going on.

Photos in question were evidence in the trial. That makes them part of the public record.

DA and TBI need to get over it.

"Poorest of taste" is still protected by the First Amendment.

Get over the people who killed your friends and colleagues displaying photos of the dead bodies?
How do you "get over" that?


A 30.06 and a good scope. A couple of hand loaded rounds, and a 'hunting accident'.

Or maybe that old farmhouse is a tinder box and all it would take is one spark, from a 2 gallon gas can with a road flare tied to it.

Just saying...
 
2012-08-31 01:34:03 PM

jaybeezey: special20: Oliver Twisted: Anyone out there know the story behind the initial shooting?

It seems dubious at best that someone serving a warrant would take a friend on a ride along.


You have to be civil when handing someone a summons or warrant and you want someone else to be ready to call 911 while you're running for your life and dodging bullets. Ya just don't know who's gonna answer the door, nor what mood they're gonna be in. Deputy was off-the-clock while doing this, and needed back-up from a police buddy, or old retired police buddy (I never caught the relationship there).
 
2012-08-31 01:36:31 PM

master_dman: The cops in this country are just as evil and corrupt as the politicians.

I don't trust any of them.

There is more to this story.

I'm pretty good at reading between the lines.
These pigs are corrupt and unlawful. Happens every single day.


I'm pretty good at reading between the lines. What I hear you saying is "I can't be trusted".
 
2012-08-31 01:38:18 PM

corn-bread: Two criminal trials with "evidence" like this, and no conviction?
There is waaayyy more to this story.

Also from what little I gathered from some of the comments, this wasn't your ordinary "ride along". The guy was a former cop (one post said he was on disability) and he had a firearm with him.

Something is wrong here, no doubt about it.


I'm with you on this one, there is something very fishy going on here.

That being said, I'm still supporting a 'hunting accident' for these brothers.
 
2012-08-31 01:41:22 PM

clyph: ActionFigure: Get over the people who killed your friends and colleagues displaying photos of the dead bodies?
How do you "get over" that?

Suck it up and grow a pair.

Life isn't fair. Sometimes the innocent are convicted and the guilty go free. Sometimes people use their right of free speech to say things that piss you off. That is the price we pay to live in a free society that is governed by the rule of law.


Just as much as the accused shooters have the right to display public photos, those involved also have the right to be upset by it. Both are entitled to their opinion just as much as you are entitled to bleat "GET OVER IT!" without an inkling of how they may actually feel. Either side, that is.
 
2012-08-31 01:43:22 PM
I'm guessing there's an entire family of crazies living way up the holler and jury was not interested in worrying about getting shot "by accident" next time Clem or his brother Darrel or his other brother Darrel were out coon huntin'.
 
2012-08-31 01:55:34 PM
There are just as many bad cops as there are bad people.

There are lots of bad people.
 
2012-08-31 01:56:28 PM
Is this a news story, or a plot summary of 'Justified'?
 
2012-08-31 02:04:52 PM

Diener: Surprisingly this gun toting troll is an Obama supporter not a tea partier.

"We are trying to report federal crimes, and we feel like our plea has fallen on deaf ears," he said. "We're praying President Barack Obama will turn toward East Tennessee. I'm preparing a package for him right now."


And the Secret Service is preparing a blast-proof room and suiting up in EOD gear to receive it, I'm sure.
 
2012-08-31 02:05:46 PM

Gyrfalcon: Ya know, there's a reason cheering the deaths of cops is disliked by many of us here on Fark. This is one of them.


Even those of us who generally are annoyed with much of outrageous cop behavior agree with you on this.
 
Ral
2012-08-31 02:24:50 PM
Roane County in Tennessee is an extremely rural area. There are only like 50K people in the whole county and the cities there are very small ones. It would not surprise me if there are corrupt cops in Roane County who abuse their authority as police. It certainly doesn't surprise me that there are crazy coots like Houston living there. He's nuts, but he isn't necessarily the one who started the gunfight.
 
2012-08-31 02:37:07 PM
ongbok

Except for they didn't wait for them to get out of the car before they started shooting at them.
FtFY.

Good riddance.
 
2012-08-31 02:45:55 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: There are just as many bad cops as there are bad people.

There are lots of bad people.


A bad person who works at Taco Bell means I might get some saliva in my nachos. A bad person who works for the police dept. means I might get the shiat kicked out of me, arrested, and facing charges and a prison sentence.

But yeah, great analogy.
 
2012-08-31 02:47:33 PM

ongbok: Smelly Pirate Hooker: How do you not get convicted of killing a cop in Tennessee?

I'm going to guess these two were the "Get the evil government out of my life type" and the jury that heard the case were the same. Lots of that in Tennessee.


Our one saving grace.
 
2012-08-31 03:32:22 PM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: How do you not get convicted of killing a cop in Tennessee?


By being innocent?

/Oh, wait. Never mind.

D.A. Johnson believed the Houstons did have legal access to the photos as part of their defense during the 2010 trial. However, he added in a statement, "...any public display on their own property of these photos in whatever manner by the Houstons is despicable and certainly runs counter to the Houstons' claims of innocence..."


No. No it doesn't. Sounds like someone is butthurt about losing a case.
 
2012-08-31 03:48:18 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Giant Clown Shoe: There are just as many bad cops as there are bad people.

There are lots of bad people.

A bad person who works at Taco Bell means I might get some saliva in my nachos. A bad person who works for the police dept. means I might get the shiat kicked out of me, arrested, and facing charges and a prison sentence.

But yeah, great analogy.


You realize that isn't an analogy right?
 
2012-08-31 03:52:30 PM

Giant Clown Shoe: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Giant Clown Shoe: There are just as many bad cops as there are bad people.

There are lots of bad people.

A bad person who works at Taco Bell means I might get some saliva in my nachos. A bad person who works for the police dept. means I might get the shiat kicked out of me, arrested, and facing charges and a prison sentence.

But yeah, great analogy.

You realize that isn't an analogy right?


Yeah. Great "point", then.
 
2012-08-31 04:25:02 PM
My problems with the little bit of evidence posted to us:

1.The officer and friend were still in the car. One was shot 18 times and the other 14.
2. the Houstons would have had to be 100% effective with each having a 9mm and one clip each which seems unlikely in a fire fight. This leads me to believe they had to be using a large magazine rifle or be carrying multiple clips meaning they were prepared for a shoot-out.
3. The scenario that keeps playing out in my mind is a Houston on either side of the car firing into the windows.
4. Would you draw first in that situation.
5. Of course Brown was armed; he was an ex-cop. He probably carries at the super market as well.

Not saying the cops were clean, but it plays like premeditation on the Houston side being ready to kill by being that prepared. If they knew they were in immediate danger and the cops were out to kill them, why have the confrontation at all.
 
2012-08-31 04:37:39 PM

special20: Oliver Twisted: Anyone out there know the story behind the initial shooting?

google-fu:
"Prosecutors claimed the pair went to serve an outstanding arrest warrant for Rocky Houston on a charge of failure to appear in court. The brothers insist the men came to kill them. Prosecutors couldn't prove who shot first, and no jury ever found either Houston guilty of any crime in either man's death."


I know about this case, having spoke with one of the defendant's attorney's and one of their investigators.

This is Tennessee's verison of Ruby Ridge. The Houstons are weird stick to their own types. Because of their representation law enforcement would never go out to their house with just one car. They always made it a huge event.

Despite this, a single member of law enforcement with a ride along went to their house to serve a warrant. The ride along was armed and participated in shooting at the Houstons. There was evidence, from the angle of the bullet holes in the Houstons' house that shots were being made from the law enforcement vehicle (towards the Houstons' house) as the deputy and ride along were still pulling up to and around the house.

No one argues one point, that the law enforcement officer and his armed ride along were totally out gunned after the shooting started. Fragments of one of the men's skull was found about a hundred feet down the road.

Both of the Houstons were charged with murder and the state was seeking the death penalty. Usually when going to trail in a small county like Roan County, TN, the defense team wants to seek a change of venue. However, the Houstons demanded the trail take place in their own county, with a local jury, presumably because they wanted the local residents on the jury who are aware the types of people that serve on local law enforcement. As side note, a huge percentage of the county works in law enforcement. There is the Roan County Sheriff, Tennessee State Troopers based near there, and just into the next county there is Wartburg Correctional facility and Brushy Mountain Correctional facility. It is difficult to choose a jury where the jury pool doesn't contain members of law enforcement, or their relatives. In other words, not what most would consider a defendant friendly county.

The first brother, Leon, was found not guilty. The other brother, Rocky, was also acquitted but in very unusual circumstances. In Tennessee a jury is not supposed to consider lessor included offenses unless they have acquitted the defendant of the more serious charges. When the jury stated they found him not guilty of the murder of the ride along, but were deadlocked on some of the charges for the sheriff deputy, they were polled and the judge sent them back to fill out the jury form to reflect the offenses they had acquitted him on. They came back out and presented a jury verdict form that noted they acquitted him of a lot of the lesser included offenses, but were deadlocked on the first degree murder. After a post trail legal battle, it was determined that because one cannot be convicted of a lessor included until after they were acquitted of the more serious offense, that the jury's actions in acquitting him of the lessor included offenses acted to acquit him of the more serious charge.

I don't know what happened, but I will say that the Houston brothers are not well liked in Roan County, and yet juries who know their and law enforcement's reps, decided to totally acquit one brother and clearly acquit the other brother in at least the murder of the ride along. That should speak volumes, even with the weird happenings with the charges for the sheriff deputy.

Are these brothers angry and resentful? They have been since the moment they were charged. They will probably be so until the day they die.


State of Tennessee v. Rocky Joe Houston
 
2012-08-31 04:51:51 PM
Mr Lawson and Jeffrey Scott both sum this up well.

The general opinion of most people around here are that the Houstons defended themselves. Of course they go on to say that they're both crazy and created their share of problems, but that the cop and his ride-along went out there with ill intent. Well that's not the exact words they use, but the idea is there.

/Roane resident
//lots of crazy country folk around here
 
2012-08-31 06:06:25 PM

twiztedjustin: Two brothers named Rocky and Leon, and they're white?


UNPOSSIBLE


Of course they're white. If they were black they'd be on death-row.
 
2012-08-31 09:43:11 PM

The Martian Manhandler: Just watched the video of the guy speaking outside the courthouse, and the dude is crazy as a shiathouse rat. Unfortunately, so are Tea Partiers, and he probably had a bunch of them on the jury.


always good to see that the Jump To Conclusions Mat is still selling well.
 
2012-09-01 03:48:55 AM

JeffreyScott: special20: Oliver Twisted: Anyone out there know the story behind the initial shooting?

google-fu:
"Prosecutors claimed the pair went to serve an outstanding arrest warrant for Rocky Houston on a charge of failure to appear in court. The brothers insist the men came to kill them. Prosecutors couldn't prove who shot first, and no jury ever found either Houston guilty of any crime in either man's death."

I know about this case, having spoke with one of the defendant's attorney's and one of their investigators.

This is Tennessee's verison of Ruby Ridge. The Houstons are weird stick to their own types. Because of their representation law enforcement would never go out to their house with just one car. They always made it a huge event.

Despite this, a single member of law enforcement with a ride along went to their house to serve a warrant. The ride along was armed and participated in shooting at the Houstons. There was evidence, from the angle of the bullet holes in the Houstons' house that shots were being made from the law enforcement vehicle (towards the Houstons' house) as the deputy and ride along were still pulling up to and around the house.

No one argues one point, that the law enforcement officer and his armed ride along were totally out gunned after the shooting started. Fragments of one of the men's skull was found about a hundred feet down the road.

Both of the Houstons were charged with murder and the state was seeking the death penalty. Usually when going to trail in a small county like Roan County, TN, the defense team wants to seek a change of venue. However, the Houstons demanded the trail take place in their own county, with a local jury, presumably because they wanted the local residents on the jury who are aware the types of people that serve on local law enforcement. As side note, a huge percentage of the county works in law enforcement. There is the Roan County Sheriff, Tennessee State Troopers based near there, and just into the ne ...


So the cops were already shooting before they even stopped.

Glad these brothers had the better guns.

I'd still be pissed off too if I were these guys. The cops rolled up firing like gangstas on a drive-by, and had the inferior weapons. They asked to be shot, and they got shot.
 
2012-09-01 05:34:08 AM

ha-ha-guy: cerwen: ha-ha-guy Well I think we can pretty much be assured next time the police come these guys property, they will be coming to kill them.

Rocky and Leon are probably the most law-abiding citizens in the state - especially on the road.

If I were them, relocation would be the first order of business, likely to another country. These boys got really lucky with the jury and the fact this never got appealed further up the food chain. It seems dumb to taunt the local PD and further press your luck. All they'll do is scare the hell out of everyone and ensure that when they do get shot, the grand jury that looks into it doesn't really give a fark.


It did. Court of Appeals told them they could NOT try one of the brothers again (only one had 3 trials; the other had two - deadlock and a mistrial. Prosecutor was going for a third, Appellate Court told them they were done).

But like others, there's something not right about this. Three failures to convict one brother, two failures for the other and the Appellate Court telling the prosecutor they may NOT try the guy again? The news story is slanted, hard, to make these boys out to be dangerous cop killers, but it's really rare to see Appeals courts and juries let dangerous cop killers walk.

Also, if they shot first, while the cop and ride along guy (a former cop himself) were still in the car, and the two cops couldn't really defend themselves... then someone wanna explain how the one brother got shot and ended up at the hospital to be arrested that same night the shootout occurred?

The truth is somewhere in the middle of the two stories, and at this time, I admit to being inclined to believe it leans more towards the brothers. However, I wasn't there and don't know what actually went down. I do know there's lots of things here that are not adding up, and just because a cop got killed doesn't mean that cop was a hero.
 
2012-09-01 12:07:39 PM
Perhaps these guys feel vindicated by the acquittal and are putting up this up as both a 'fark you' to the police as well as to allow others to see the evidence and make up their own mind.

Even if you're innocent or not guilty of a crime doesn't mean you have to disappear. The fact that you choose to make public various aspects of the case or even go for tastelessness in your public display/statements doesn't automatically change your guilt.

The police have have had no problem making gory details public when it suited their needs/interests. They give proud press conferences when someone suspected of killing a cop is convicted, yet they seem to expect silence from the other side when the case goes their way.

The police need to suck it up and move on the exact way they would expect defenders of these guys to had they been convicted.
 
2012-09-01 12:09:17 PM

ActionFigure: Get over the people who killed your friends and colleagues displaying photos of the dead bodies?
How do you "get over" that?


If you're at all professional, you just do.
 
2012-09-01 12:15:03 PM

Gyrfalcon: But keep shooting at cops when they come to serve a warrant, and I guarantee in a year or two a simple unlawful detainer notice will be served by an entire SWAT team who arrive in an APC.


At which point law abiding people like me will see that sort of thing and assume there's a war in progress and act accordingly. Those APC are not fire proof, and the people inside have to come out eventually.

The police have chosen to use SWAT teams, complete with their little armored Bearcats to server minor warrants, and have used excessive amounts of force during these warrant services and now they and their apologists are acting surprised when some people refuse to be abused or refuse to accept being shot at simply because the person doing it is a cop.

If the police want peace, they have to act peaceful. When they act the way they do, they give people nothing to lose in responding with equal force.
 
2012-09-01 12:19:04 PM

grinnel: Not saying the cops were clean, but it plays like premeditation on the Houston side being ready to kill by being that prepared. If they knew they were in immediate danger and the cops were out to kill them, why have the confrontation at all.


If I know I'm in immediate danger from a specific group, and members of that specific group are now at my house, what choice do I have in responding to the confrontation?
 
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