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(Talking Points Memo)   Marco Rubio has gone rogue   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 88
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2012-08-31 09:06:27 AM  
Face it Marco. To the other headliners of the Republican party, you're a dirty wetback who doesn't belong here. Stop kissing their asses.
 
2012-08-31 09:27:36 AM  
RINO!!!
 
2012-08-31 09:35:49 AM  
Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.
 
2012-08-31 09:44:00 AM  
Marco Rubio told a story when introducing Mitt last night. The story of a man born in a foreign country, that left everything to escape revolution, the family ate paste and struggled to get by, but they made it big, and one day a descendant of that man is now running for President of the United States.

I wonder if Rubio will look back in shame at that story some day? How what is a proud story for his family, and what they escaped and accomplished, he signed over to the GOP as some throw-away anectdote to make Mitt Romney seem somewhat less than the entitled, born on third base, white-bread elitist he is. I could hear Tony Montana rolling over in his grave, screaming about eating octopus and 'like a bird...flying aroun"
 
2012-08-31 09:47:46 AM  

propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.


I think you underestimate the desperation of the GOP.
 
2012-08-31 09:50:11 AM  
I watched him on the Daily Show the other night and he seemed like an intelligent, reasonable man.
 
2012-08-31 09:50:27 AM  
So how does it feel to be in a party that will always look at you as as 'Not White'?
Because that's the Teabagger/GOP of the moment. It's All-White, All-the-Time.
And they're betting the farm on that plan.
 
2012-08-31 09:53:58 AM  
Not a hispanic - he's Cuban. That's more like some kind of islander Israeli, the only interest they have in the GOP is hoping they help them get some free land.
 
2012-08-31 09:57:42 AM  
Stockholm Syndrome is a terrible condition.
 
2012-08-31 10:00:24 AM  
propasaurus:
Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

...because 41 is such an advanced age for a politician who might want to be President - or even VP - some day? He's six years younger than Obama was when he took office. They could easily have put Rubio into the VP slot this time around, and he would have brought in a lot of Hispanic votes, but they went for the economics side instead. Rubio will be doing a LOT of work for the GOP over the next few months, and will probably help them carry Florida. He'll also still be in the Senate next year (which is more important to the GOP than having an extra seat in the House - the GOP can afford to lose Ryan for an election cycle, but Rubio's seat is critical now).

Rubio did his job - the speech he gave was not, under any circumstances, supposed to be challenging or "edgy." It was a warmup speech for the guy he's supporting for President.

When Obama speaks next week, the people leading up to his spot will do the same.
 
2012-08-31 10:00:59 AM  

vernonFL: I watched him on the Daily Show the other night and he seemed like an intelligent, reasonable man.


That's why I love America: you can seem like anything you want!
 
2012-08-31 10:01:13 AM  
As a Hispanic immigrant and naturalized citizen, I like Rubio to the point where I sort of want to vote for him someday. He is charismatic and highly articulate, and seems to be considerably intelligent, but he seems to be using his intelligence to defend the indefensible and deflect, obfuscate and in the worst cases flat out ignore the bigotry the GOP holds towards our people.

IMO, he is well aware of the xenophobia that is deeply ingrained within his party, but chooses to remain a Republican merely to stand out, and make a name for himself more easily. A charismatic Latino politician is bound to stand out more easily in a party where such a thing is more rare. It just seems like a cynical career ploy.

It is possible that he genuinely believes in the trickle-down fairy, but I find it hard to believe he can be so idealistic as to want to lead the party where a law like Arizona's SB1070 is so deeply popular.
 
2012-08-31 10:04:01 AM  

cirby: and will probably help them carry Florida.


The new voter suppression law will do that without Rubio's help.
 
2012-08-31 10:04:45 AM  

vernonFL: I watched him on the Daily Show the other night and he seemed like an intelligent, reasonable man.


The guy's farking sharp. I think Rubio would beat Obama in a debate IMHO.

He's seems to smart to be in today's GOP.
 
2012-08-31 10:07:13 AM  

sprawl15: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

I think you underestimate the desperation of the GOP.


Right, and he's an attractive and successful Latino-American.
 
2012-08-31 10:07:55 AM  
Marco Rubio has gone rogue says whatever his GOP handlers tell him to.
 
2012-08-31 10:09:50 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Not a hispanic - he's Cuban. That's more like some kind of islander Israeli, the only interest they have in the GOP is hoping they help them get some free land.


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2012-08-31 10:11:28 AM  
Mitt told him afterward that he needs to consider self-deportation.
 
2012-08-31 10:13:18 AM  
I really curious what the vetting team found out about Rubio that made them not choose him for VP. He's latin (brings in some latin vote), from Florida (gives you Florida), religious (the social conservative love his constant references to God), and young and charismatic (which Romney isn't). He was the obvious choice. He must have had a pretty big negative to make Pawlenty and ultimately Ryan the preferred choices.
 
2012-08-31 10:13:43 AM  

Cythraul: Face it Marco. To the other headliners of the Republican party, you're a dirty wetback who doesn't belong here. Stop kissing their asses.


No no no, he's one of the Good Hispanics.
 
2012-08-31 10:15:06 AM  
Here in South Texas, he would not be considered Hispanic.
 
2012-08-31 10:16:58 AM  
Rubio can't very well talk about immigration because he can't admit that what the President did was more or less put into law his program.
 
2012-08-31 10:17:03 AM  

Virtuoso80: I really curious what the vetting team found out about Rubio that made them not choose him for VP. He's latin (brings in some latin vote), from Florida (gives you Florida), religious (the social conservative love his constant references to God), and young and charismatic (which Romney isn't). He was the obvious choice. He must have had a pretty big negative to make Pawlenty and ultimately Ryan the preferred choices.



Of the five characteristics you offered, I wonder which one might have provided you with an answer.
 
2012-08-31 10:17:45 AM  
I thought Rubio made a very nice speech. A very impressive guy.

I'm glad TPM is here to let me know what he didn't say and how bad that is.
 
2012-08-31 10:19:12 AM  
Rubio is smart. He has a good job, with great job security. He says things people want to hear. I don't think he actually cares about anything. That seems to be a common theme with these Tea Bagger morons. They keep talking about our fore fathers and what they stood for... while completely glossing over our grand fathers and what they stood for. These Tea Bagging assholes are trying to dismantle the structure that other generations sacrificed to create because they saw first hand what happens when you leave corporations unchecked. All in the name of Liberty though, right Marco?
 
2012-08-31 10:19:26 AM  
USA! USA! USA!
 
2012-08-31 10:25:50 AM  
It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.
 
2012-08-31 10:26:17 AM  

Lord_Baull: Virtuoso80: I really curious what the vetting team found out about Rubio that made them not choose him for VP. He's latin (brings in some latin vote), from Florida (gives you Florida), religious (the social conservative love his constant references to God), and young and charismatic (which Romney isn't). He was the obvious choice. He must have had a pretty big negative to make Pawlenty and ultimately Ryan the preferred choices.


Of the five characteristics you offered, I wonder which one might have provided you with an answer.


Yeah, being from Florida is kind of an issue.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:33 AM  

MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.


Dirty little secret: We were always more prejudiced against letting a woman lead us than a negro. I mean, he may have dark skin, but at least doesn't get periods and remind us of our ex-wives (or in the case of woman voters, remind us of that baitch at work we hate so much).
 
2012-08-31 10:33:52 AM  

Virtuoso80: MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.

Dirty little secret: We were always more prejudiced against letting a woman lead us than a negro. I mean, he may have dark skin, but at least doesn't get periods and remind us of our ex-wives (or in the case of woman voters, remind us of that baitch at work we hate so much).


I was unaware using 'Negro' is no longer offensive.
 
2012-08-31 10:34:17 AM  

Lord_Baull: Marco Rubio has gone rogue says whatever his GOP handlers tell him to

has become the party's latino biatch.
 
2012-08-31 10:35:32 AM  
"we chose more government instead of more freedom"
 
2012-08-31 10:39:46 AM  
Gusano de mierda.
 
2012-08-31 10:42:41 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Virtuoso80: MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.

Dirty little secret: We were always more prejudiced against letting a woman lead us than a negro. I mean, he may have dark skin, but at least doesn't get periods and remind us of our ex-wives (or in the case of woman voters, remind us of that baitch at work we hate so much).

I was unaware using 'Negro' is no longer offensive.


I think it's more antiquated than offensive. If I heard someone talking about a negro I would assume he's in the arguing-with-a-chair demographic.
 
2012-08-31 10:46:06 AM  
Cubans are not liked by other Latino groups. Rubio would be as much help in getting the Mexican vote as an Italian guy would be.
 
2012-08-31 10:46:28 AM  

Virtuoso80: I really curious what the vetting team found out about Rubio that made them not choose him for VP. He's latin (brings in some latin vote), from Florida (gives you Florida), religious (the social conservative love his constant references to God), and young and charismatic (which Romney isn't). He was the obvious choice. He must have had a pretty big negative to make Pawlenty and ultimately Ryan the preferred choices.


The most rabid members of the base would not support him. I was talking to a birther a while back, and she was ranting about how Obama couldn't be President because his parents were not both citizens when he was born. I asked her about Rubio, and she said he was fantastic and it was too bad he wasn't qualified to be President because of his parents - she favored Condi instead.
 
2012-08-31 10:46:57 AM  

MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.


Yeah, but the fact that the GOP hates them sorta nullifies that.
 
2012-08-31 10:48:56 AM  

sprawl15: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

I think you underestimate the desperation of the GOP.


I think both ya'll underestimate Sen. Rubio.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:06 AM  

ghare: MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.

Yeah, but the fact that the GOP hates them sorta nullifies that.


And oddly it was George Bush who, despite all the quips and insults about his intelligence, that saw this. And due to the xenophobia of his party's base, he went from having the most votes from hispanics of any Republican presidential candidate ever to pretending that he couldn't speak a work of Spanish at the end of this second term.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:37 AM  

Cletus C.: I thought Rubio made a very nice speech. A very impressive guy.

I'm glad TPM is here to let me know what he didn't say and how bad that is.


TPM is not a news site. It is Liberal politics site and yet it didn't say anything nonfactual, too derogatory about the quality of the speech nor did it claim Rubio was not impressive as you put it.

It criticized the speech for lacking substance.

TPM doesn't not claim to be unbiased and yet comes off as fairer than most sites on the Right claiming to be news sites. Sorta ironic.
 
2012-08-31 10:52:14 AM  

Epoch_Zero: Virtuoso80: MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.

Dirty little secret: We were always more prejudiced against letting a woman lead us than a negro. I mean, he may have dark skin, but at least doesn't get periods and remind us of our ex-wives (or in the case of woman voters, remind us of that baitch at work we hate so much).

I was unaware using 'Negro' is no longer offensive.


It is offensive. I was using it in connection with "we" as an implication of societal racism. Perhaps also change "women" in that sentence to "baitch" or another derogatory term, and my intention becomes clearer.
 
2012-08-31 10:55:01 AM  

GAT_00: Rubio can't very well talk about immigration because he can't admit that what the President did was more or less put into law his program.


Conceding that point to Obama would win the GOP points with independents. But conceding anything to Obama would cause the GOP DNA to unravel. The Obama is the Anti-Christ message doesn't resonate beyond the echo chamber of the GOP.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:30 AM  

SoupJohnB: sprawl15: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

I think you underestimate the desperation of the GOP.

Right, and he's an attractive and successful Latino-American.


I thought that was overturned this week. Here's to hoping it's not too late.
 
2012-08-31 11:00:54 AM  

Virtuoso80: Epoch_Zero: Virtuoso80: MFAWG: It's kind of interesting that as a nation we elected a Negro before a Hispanic. Hispanics tend to line up with the GOP's core values of social conservatism, low taxes, and business friendly quite nicely.

Dirty little secret: We were always more prejudiced against letting a woman lead us than a negro. I mean, he may have dark skin, but at least doesn't get periods and remind us of our ex-wives (or in the case of woman voters, remind us of that baitch at work we hate so much).

I was unaware using 'Negro' is no longer offensive.

It is offensive. I was using it in connection with "we" as an implication of societal racism. Perhaps also change "women" in that sentence to "baitch" or another derogatory term, and my intention becomes clearer.


Gotcha.

ArkPanda: I would assume he's in the arguing-with-a-chair demographic.


This needs to become a thing.
 
2012-08-31 11:06:03 AM  

Richard Saunders: sprawl15: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

I think you underestimate the desperation of the GOP.

I think both ya'll underestimate Sen. Rubio.


Governor of Florida in the next 10 years, and if he's anywhere close to successful, he'll go for the White House.
 
2012-08-31 11:10:48 AM  

propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.


Really? I'm not a Republican, but he seems like a better bet for the GOP than anybody else with a reasonable chance of getting the 2016 nomination. He's hard-right from an important swing state, helps lose the "old white guy" tag, and comes off as fairly reasonable and friendly (or at the very least, non-crazy) to moderates and liberals, despite his positions.

I suspect he was offered the vice presidential nomination from Romney but was smart enough to turn it down.
 
2012-08-31 11:13:51 AM  

Renart: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

Really? I'm not a Republican, but he seems like a better bet for the GOP than anybody else with a reasonable chance of getting the 2016 nomination. He's hard-right from an important swing state, helps lose the "old white guy" tag, and comes off as fairly reasonable and friendly (or at the very least, non-crazy) to moderates and liberals, despite his positions.

I suspect he was offered the vice presidential nomination from Romney but was smart enough to turn it down.


How does he help shed the "old white guy" tag by take the same policy positions as the old white guys?
 
2012-08-31 11:18:17 AM  

Insatiable Jesus: Not a hispanic - he's Cuban. That's more like some kind of islander Israeli, the only interest they have in the GOP is hoping they help them get some free land.


Um, he IS Hispanic. Cuba has people who came from Spain. He is not Mexican, if that is what you meant,
 
2012-08-31 11:23:12 AM  

karmaceutical: Renart: propasaurus: Marco is done. He'll never be anything more than what he is right now. An also-ran.

Really? I'm not a Republican, but he seems like a better bet for the GOP than anybody else with a reasonable chance of getting the 2016 nomination. He's hard-right from an important swing state, helps lose the "old white guy" tag, and comes off as fairly reasonable and friendly (or at the very least, non-crazy) to moderates and liberals, despite his positions.

I suspect he was offered the vice presidential nomination from Romney but was smart enough to turn it down.

How does he help shed the "old white guy" tag by take the same policy positions as the old white guys?


The same way that Obama shed that image for Democrats. Having somebody outside the old white guy demographic espouse your ideals makes it no longer just an old white guy thing, especially when it's a person that is respected and not a token.

As for the speech being fluff, it's a Convention speech. Those are all fluff. Heck, it probably got reviewed by the Romney handlers to remove any substance and get fluffed.
 
2012-08-31 11:24:37 AM  

karmaceutical: How does he help shed the "old white guy" tag by take the same policy positions as the old white guys?


Because he's a younger Hispanic. I'm not saying it's anything other than a cosmetic change, but conservatives throughout history like to find token "outsiders" to represent the same old reactionary politics.
 
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