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(Talking Points Memo)   A full list of everything that went wrong at the RNC   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 290
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2012-08-31 09:30:57 AM
The malfunction and eventual failure of the Ronald Reagan holographic generator isn't mentioned anywhere.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:29 AM
encrypted-tbn1.google.com
 
2012-08-31 09:39:56 AM
I think declaring war on every other country on earth was somewhat noteworthy.
 
2012-08-31 09:42:31 AM
So that Paul Ryan guy still can't get a suit that fits?
 
2012-08-31 09:43:01 AM
Nominating Gordon Gekko for President didn't make the list?
 
2012-08-31 09:44:08 AM

Headso: So that Paul Ryan guy still can't get a suit that fits?


What's with that? Ron Paul has better fitting suits, and he's shrinking.
 
2012-08-31 09:44:19 AM
tl;dr
 
2012-08-31 09:44:34 AM
The audience is what went wrong
 
2012-08-31 09:45:37 AM

Gotfire: The audience is what went wrong


The speakers weren't exactly doing much to help the situation.
 
2012-08-31 09:45:53 AM
I live in Tampa, and if you discount things that people have no control over (Isaac) the convention went off without a hitch. All of the Fail happened inside the St. Pete Times Forum and on the stage.
 
2012-08-31 09:46:09 AM
Did Zombie Reagan catch on fire? That. Would. Be. HILARIOUS.
 
2012-08-31 09:47:05 AM

JimmyFartpants: I live in Tampa, and if you discount things that people have no control over (Isaac) the convention went off without a hitch. All of the Fail happened inside the St. Pete Times Forum and on the stage.


But did the strip joints make bank?
 
2012-08-31 09:47:46 AM
One assumes the list starts and ends with "They nominated Mitt Romney".
 
2012-08-31 09:48:07 AM
The vaunted vice presidential nominee? His speech took a pounding from fact-checkers, potentially knocking the Romney campaign off kilter just as it enters the home stretch.

No, that has been the entire campaign. This is them on message.

the emergence of Ann Romney as a beloved national figure

wat
 
2012-08-31 09:49:35 AM
 
2012-08-31 09:50:09 AM
FTFA: As Obama's auto czar Steve Rattner noted, Ryan's insistence that Obama should have saved the individual assembly line also ran directly counter to his frequent refrain that the government shouldn't be in the business of "picking winners and losers."

Silly czar; Republicans only mean that when someone else is being picked as the "winner".
 
2012-08-31 09:52:14 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?"

www.foldingchairwarehouse.com
...

upload.wikimedia.org
Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question:

www.foldingchairwarehouse.com
...

upload.wikimedia.org
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

www.foldingchairwarehouse.com
...
 
2012-08-31 09:52:23 AM
It is impossible to create a comprehensive list because the set of items is way too large.
 
2012-08-31 09:53:59 AM
Eastwood's speech was like that scene in Empire Strikes Back where Luke fought Vader on Dagobah. It was pointless, slowed everything down and made no sense. 
 
2012-08-31 09:55:54 AM

Eeek: Eastwood's speech was like that scene in Empire Strikes Back where Luke fought Vader on Dagobah. It was pointless, slowed everything down and made no sense.


It was sad.
 
2012-08-31 09:57:23 AM
localtvkwgn.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-31 09:58:26 AM
We Built it!

/am I doing it right?
 
2012-08-31 09:58:52 AM
img266.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-31 09:59:32 AM
All anyone is going to remember about this convention is a ver old Clint Eastwood arguing with an empty chair.  It may be all we remember about Obama's re-election in a few years.
 
2012-08-31 10:00:31 AM

dericwater: JimmyFartpants: I live in Tampa, and if you discount things that people have no control over (Isaac) the convention went off without a hitch. All of the Fail happened inside the St. Pete Times Forum and on the stage.

But did the strip joints make bank?


That's what I was wondering. Please, think of the strippers!
 
2012-08-31 10:06:21 AM
Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.
 
2012-08-31 10:06:51 AM

the Staples guy had help from Romney. I thought you guys built stuff on your own.
Rubio thanked a teacher. Again, I thought you guys don't need any help to build businesses.

they focus on small business because big business is not for us. And if we think about big business they might have to bring jobs back to our country and pay a living wage and that is bad for the CEOs.

Clint talked to an empty chair. And yep...the middle of NYC is the only place you could move it to in the whole country. And closing it tomorrow would be be political suicide. I like you old man, but sit down in the chair and think for a minute.

Romney said unconditional love...unless you're gay or maybe don't want a pregnancy to ruin your life. Or not a Christian.

America deserves things? Sounds like socialism and entitlements.

A shiatload of generic platitudes. there was not one idea or suggestion of how he will do anything. devoid of anything resembling content. Just is all Obama's fault.

This would be my RNC sign:


LIE TO
ME
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|
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2012-08-31 10:07:32 AM

UberDave: The malfunction and eventual failure of the Ronald Reagan holographic generator isn't mentioned anywhere.


I heard the Reagan hologram achieved sentience and wouldn't endorse Romney.
 
2012-08-31 10:09:09 AM
oh, and they love the idea of people having to work 2 to 3 jobs just to make it.

yeah, awesome.
 
2012-08-31 10:10:15 AM

UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.


Nah. The chair has a consistent stance. Also, more personality.
 
2012-08-31 10:12:36 AM

NeoCortex42: Nah. The chair has a consistent stance. Also, more personality


Actually, based on Eastwood's speech, I'm really contemplating changing my vote to Chair. CHAIR IN 2012!

Chair won't let America down.
 
2012-08-31 10:14:19 AM
Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!
 
2012-08-31 10:15:43 AM

t3knomanser: Chair won't let America down.


Chair has been married 3 times and had an affair with an Ottoman.
 
2012-08-31 10:16:24 AM
Chair smells like ass.
 
2012-08-31 10:17:32 AM

t3knomanser: NeoCortex42: Nah. The chair has a consistent stance. Also, more personality

Actually, based on Eastwood's speech, I'm really contemplating changing my vote to Chair. CHAIR IN 2012!

Chair won't let America down.


Hey everyone! It's an inanimate carbon chair!!!
 
2012-08-31 10:17:41 AM

badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!


Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.
 
2012-08-31 10:17:48 AM
A full list of everything that went wrong at the RNC

Not even close.
 
2012-08-31 10:18:02 AM

UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.


Romney: "Obama-chair raised taxes on people to pay for Obamacare. He called it a fine but SCOTUS ruled it was a tax. The individual mandate is a tax."

Obama-Chair: ...

Romney: "Sure Romneycare also had an individual mandate "tax" but that is at the State level which is completely different. Sure I endorsed it as a Federal solution as well but that is before I knew it would conflict with me opposing Obamacare".

Obama-Chair: ...

Romeny: "Why so smug chair? You think I'm making this up. I'll be you $10,000 and a can of furniture wax that I never specifically said that I was sorta proud that Obamacare was modeled after what we did."

Obama-Chair: ...

Romney: "At least people know where I was born. Lemon.Wet.Good. I like firing people."
 
2012-08-31 10:18:49 AM

UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.


I don't know. Eastwood lost to one, it must be a dangerous opponent.
 
2012-08-31 10:19:37 AM

badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!


Thanks, son. Now go to your room, adults are talking.
 
2012-08-31 10:19:41 AM

farkityfarker: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.


That's a good one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE run on BLAME BUSH.

PLEASE?

Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.

COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?
 
2012-08-31 10:19:47 AM

vernonFL: t3knomanser: Chair won't let America down.

Chair has been married 3 times and had an affair with an Ottoman.


Chair was once sat on by Saul Alinsky.
 
2012-08-31 10:20:01 AM

UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.


i dunno, they seem to be equally stiff and wooden. I say it's a toss-up.
 
2012-08-31 10:20:50 AM

badaboom: farkityfarker: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.

That's a good one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE run on BLAME BUSH.

PLEASE?

Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.

COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?


Took you guys much longer than I expected to show up this morning.
 
2012-08-31 10:22:07 AM

badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!


Or I guess the US could turn control of the executive branch to the party that, you know, caused it all to begin with.

/And no, I'm not letting Clinton off the hook for not vetoing Gramm-Leach-Bliley either
//One party is far more at fault than the other
 
2012-08-31 10:22:14 AM

Combustion: t3knomanser: NeoCortex42: Nah. The chair has a consistent stance. Also, more personality

Actually, based on Eastwood's speech, I'm really contemplating changing my vote to Chair. CHAIR IN 2012!

Chair won't let America down.

Hey everyone! It's an inanimate carbon chair!!!


Whar long-form inspection sticker?
 
2012-08-31 10:22:41 AM

qorkfiend: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Thanks, son. Now go to your room, adults are talking.


Love it! You simply can not defend the President's record so your argument is SHUT UP! Love it.

Run on BLAME BUSH AND SHUT UP! What a great platform.

The liberal argument: Shut Up! Link
 
2012-08-31 10:24:39 AM
Dem platform (secret leaked memo):

1) Blame Bush
2)Everyone is else is a bigot
3) Shut up!
4) Whatever you do, do not mention our record.
 
2012-08-31 10:24:53 AM
I for one am appealed by the Republican War on Chairs.
 
2012-08-31 10:25:30 AM

badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Thanks, son. Now go to your room, adults are talking.

Love it! You simply can not defend the President's record so your argument is SHUT UP! Love it.

Run on BLAME BUSH AND SHUT UP! What a great platform.

The liberal argument: Shut Up! Link


You're just trying too hard. It's okay. We all remember the first time we trolled a politics thread.
 
2012-08-31 10:25:31 AM

mrshowrules: UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.

Romney: "Obama-chair raised taxes on people to pay for Obamacare. He called it a fine but SCOTUS ruled it was a tax. The individual mandate is a tax."

Obama-Chair: ...

Romney: "Sure Romneycare also had an individual mandate "tax" but that is at the State level which is completely different. Sure I endorsed it as a Federal solution as well but that is before I knew it would conflict with me opposing Obamacare".

Obama-Chair: ...

Romeny: "Why so smug chair? You think I'm making this up. I'll be you $10,000 and a can of furniture wax that I never specifically said that I was sorta proud that Obamacare was modeled after what we did."

Obama-Chair: ...

Romney: "At least people know where I was born. Lemon.Wet.Good. I like firing people."


Here is how the model works.

Right wing nutjob: Stupid talking point.

Obama: Shut up, I can't answer that.

It's their fantasy. They wank to it. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Obama and Romney actually meet.
 
2012-08-31 10:25:35 AM

badaboom: The liberal argument: Shut Up! Link


Yup, because no one has a reality-based view on how "liberals" think than Pajamas Media. Hell, the video describes net neutrality as "Orwellian".
 
2012-08-31 10:26:18 AM

badaboom: He's done an AMAZING job!


Well, he has not, to my knowledge, either lost a debate with an inanimate object nor been upstaged at his biggest event to date by the guy who lost the debate with an inanimate object, so I would say he's well ahead of the competition

.

badaboom: COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?


ACA, ending DADT, and killing the guy who caused 9/11?
 
2012-08-31 10:26:27 AM
Chair was once found with $2.68 worth of change, a cigarette lighter and a remote control in its cushion.
 
2012-08-31 10:26:57 AM

mrshowrules: UberDave: The malfunction and eventual failure of the Ronald Reagan holographic generator isn't mentioned anywhere.

I heard the Reagan hologram achieved sentience and wouldn't endorse Romney.


"The Reagan-net Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 2012. Human decisions are removed from Republican strategy. Reagan-net begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug."
 
2012-08-31 10:27:12 AM

badaboom: Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.


Except for all the stuff he got done. Bonus: you clearly have no idea what the filibuster is.
 
2012-08-31 10:27:19 AM
I'm sorry I missed this. Now I need to find the clips.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:19 AM

Headso: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?"

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question:

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...


I appreciate this.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:23 AM

badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!


I had no idea the job of an American president was to 'stop all the turmoil in the world'. Pretty tall order there.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:33 AM

farkityfarker: Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds.


The, "Romney is a the problem, not the solution", theme will be repeated. It is simple enough and true enough so that it should resonate.
 
2012-08-31 10:28:35 AM

badaboom: Whatever you do, do not mention our record.



Of course republicans don't want democrats to mention an improving economy, a dead bin laden and qaddafi...
 
2012-08-31 10:29:42 AM

ToxicMunkee: Headso: [upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?"

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question:

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x183]
Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

[www.foldingchairwarehouse.com image 381x525]
...

I appreciate this.


Hey, thanks man! although now you've doomed me to be less productive
 
2012-08-31 10:31:42 AM

phalamir: badaboom: He's done an AMAZING job!

Well, he has not, to my knowledge, either lost a debate with an inanimate object nor been upstaged at his biggest event to date by the guy who lost the debate with an inanimate object, so I would say he's well ahead of the competition

.badaboom: COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?

ACA, ending DADT, and killing the guy who caused 9/11?


Obamacare. Unpopular

DADT. Really, do you think the majority of Americans give a crap about this?

Osama: So now you guys want to run on the pro-military tough guy platform? You guys make it sound like Obama cracked Osama;s neck with his bare hands and then ripped out his still beating heart.

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.
 
2012-08-31 10:32:23 AM

badaboom: farkityfarker: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.

That's a good one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE run on BLAME BUSH.

PLEASE?

Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.

COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?


Who's responsible for the debt that Obama's being blamed for?

The Pentagon actually wants to reduce their budget, but the Republicans in the House refuse to do so.
 
2012-08-31 10:32:44 AM

badaboom: Run on BLAME BUSH AND SHUT UP!


I'm waiting to see what Osama Bin Laden has to say about this coming election. Oh, wait...

In all seriousness, I never vote for major party candidates, but the Republicans are really trying to convince me to vote for Democrats down the line, this year.
 
2012-08-31 10:33:01 AM

badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


Job creation has been up. Even in manufacturing, of all things.
 
2012-08-31 10:34:07 AM

SovietCanuckistan: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

I had no idea the job of an American president was to 'stop all the turmoil in the world'. Pretty tall order there.


That would be great to run on. Would love to see Obama get up to the podium and say that America no longer plays a role in peace and stability in the world. Wonder what the slogan for that would be. "America: We no longer matter"?
 
2012-08-31 10:35:04 AM

Mercutio74: Job creation has been up. Even in manufacturing, of all things.


But think about how up it isn't! It could be more up than it is if only we did everything the Republicans told us to. Sure, things are improving under Obama, and sure, Romney hasn't laid out any meaningful plan that's actually different except for saying, "I won't be like Obama," but the Republicans clearly have their shiat together for creating jobs. We should vote for them, or be socialists.
 
2012-08-31 10:35:20 AM

badaboom: That would be great to run on. Would love to see Obama get up to the podium and say that America no longer plays a role in peace and stability in the world. Wonder what the slogan for that would be. "America: We no longer matter"?


It must be tough to navigate life if you can only see two extreme points of view on any subject. Is there a name for your affliction? I'd like to donate to whatever charity helps look for a cure.
 
2012-08-31 10:35:20 AM

badaboom: say that America no longer plays a role in peace and stability in the world. Wonder what the slogan for that would be. "America: We no longer matter"?


So, Libya, in your mind, never happened. Got it.
 
2012-08-31 10:35:58 AM

badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


That's a four-letter word. And if it was, why is Romney losing?
 
2012-08-31 10:35:58 AM

badaboom: phalamir: badaboom: He's done an AMAZING job!

Well, he has not, to my knowledge, either lost a debate with an inanimate object nor been upstaged at his biggest event to date by the guy who lost the debate with an inanimate object, so I would say he's well ahead of the competition

.badaboom: COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?

ACA, ending DADT, and killing the guy who caused 9/11?

Obamacare. Unpopular

DADT. Really, do you think the majority of Americans give a crap about this?

Osama: So now you guys want to run on the pro-military tough guy platform? You guys make it sound like Obama cracked Osama;s neck with his bare hands and then ripped out his still beating heart.

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


And the Republican Congress has created zero jobs. In fact, they destroyed private sector jobs by holding the country hostage with the debt ceiling.
 
2012-08-31 10:36:14 AM

mrshowrules: Obama-Chair


I love this.
 
2012-08-31 10:36:52 AM

badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-31 10:37:34 AM

badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


That is 4 letters
 
2012-08-31 10:38:19 AM

UberDave: Maybe Romney should debate with a chair. That's a debate he could win.


I'm not sure on that. Unless the chair is a swivel chair, it'll be more constant than Romney on various positions.
 
2012-08-31 10:38:43 AM

Petey4335: That is 4 letters


Forget it, he's trolling.
 
2012-08-31 10:39:47 AM

James!: All anyone is going to remember about this convention is a ver old Clint Eastwood arguing with an empty chair.  It may be all we remember about Obama's re-election in a few years.


It was a defining moment. Either you define the moment, or the moment defines you

/obscure?
 
2012-08-31 10:39:59 AM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

That's a four-letter word. And if it was, why is Romney losing?


Link
 
2012-08-31 10:40:38 AM

vernonFL: Chair was once found with $2.68 worth of change, a cigarette lighter and a remote control in its cushion.


communicategood.files.wordpress.com

Chair's role model.
 
2012-08-31 10:41:17 AM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

That's a four-letter word. And if it was, why is Romney losing?

Link


Romney is losing because Joe Biden?

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-31 10:41:30 AM
J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link
 
2012-08-31 10:41:45 AM

badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.


Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.
 
2012-08-31 10:43:20 AM

Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.

Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.


So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.
 
2012-08-31 10:43:46 AM
Why isn't this sh*t sandwich filet mignon, yet?
 
2012-08-31 10:44:40 AM

badaboom: J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link


Stick to the 57 states thing.
 
2012-08-31 10:44:59 AM

badaboom: So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.


Yeah, they probably will mention that we were shedding 700,000 jobs a month in 2009 while we've added 4 million since then. It might come up.
 
2012-08-31 10:45:07 AM

Diogenes: I think declaring war on every other country on earth was somewhat noteworthy.


I don't think you can declare war until you are actually in office. it's more like a promise to declare war on every other country on earth.
 
2012-08-31 10:45:47 AM

Vodka Zombie: badaboom: J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link

Stick to the 57 states thing.


Oh, come on! A surefire dig at your opponent is obviously one in which nobody has any idea what you're referencing!
 
2012-08-31 10:46:16 AM

badaboom: So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.


Dude, you already trolled on this issue. Get to the birth certificate or dijon mustard already.

shiat... it's like reading farking Twilight. We get it! You're in love! FARK! GET ON WITH IT!!!!
 
2012-08-31 10:47:04 AM

badaboom: phalamir: badaboom: He's done an AMAZING job!

Well, he has not, to my knowledge, either lost a debate with an inanimate object nor been upstaged at his biggest event to date by the guy who lost the debate with an inanimate object, so I would say he's well ahead of the competition

.badaboom: COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?

ACA, ending DADT, and killing the guy who caused 9/11?

Obamacare. Unpopular

DADT. Really, do you think the majority of Americans give a crap about this?

Osama: So now you guys want to run on the pro-military tough guy platform? You guys make it sound like Obama cracked Osama;s neck with his bare hands and then ripped out his still beating heart.

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


30+ months of positive net jobs growth. Added 4+ million jobs in private sector since Jan 2009, and that includes the first 6 months (through July) when the momentum of 700,000 jobs lost per month from the Bush fiasco was still in effect.
 
2012-08-31 10:47:45 AM

badaboom: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.

Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.

So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.


They'll be running on a BETTER economy, yes. And, rightly so since, well, they fixed it in spite of Republican obstruction. Your problem, sad, little person, is that you think you want the economy to be hauled back from near rubble to outstanding in just four years, and that's just not possible. Especially since you have no idea what an economy actually IS.

Now, if I give you some crayons, will you please leave the adults alone?
 
2012-08-31 10:49:34 AM
FTA: "the emergence of Ann Romney as a beloved national figure"

This is from TMP? Who thinks of this woman as America's sweetheart? That is setting a low bar for the meanings of both "national figure" and "beloved."
 
2012-08-31 10:49:59 AM

Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.

Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.

So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.

They'll be running on a BETTER economy, yes. And, rightly so since, well, they fixed it in spite of Republican obstruction. Your problem, sad, little person, is that you think you want the economy to be hauled back from near rubble to outstanding in just four years, and that's just not possible. Especially since you have no idea what an economy actually IS.

Now, if I give you some crayons, will you please leave the adults alone?


So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.
 
2012-08-31 10:50:27 AM
This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Fine.

And the month after Obama took office, the country lost 740,000 jobs. Now we've gained an average of 151,000 jobs every month in 2012.

Sure it ain't where we want it to be, but it is significantly better and there's no honest way for you to deny that. But hey, you keep farking that chicken.

//btw that's four letters.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:32 AM

badaboom: He gets an A+.


Meh, he would have been in A territory if he could have convinced the US to go single payer. As it is, there are still a lot of problems with healthcare which is a huge part of the economy and a huge burden on business owners and employees.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:43 AM

badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.


Apparently so, 538 gives him a 71% chance of being re-elected. If the voters only care about the economy and it's so bad, why is Obama winning?
 
2012-08-31 10:51:50 AM

badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Thanks, son. Now go to your room, adults are talking.

Love it! You simply can not defend the President's record so your argument is SHUT UP! Love it.

Run on BLAME BUSH AND SHUT UP! What a great platform.

The liberal argument: Shut Up! Link


Bwhahahahahahahahaahh!

Man no wonder you Republitards loved Eastwood you all argue with a non-existant Obama. We have defended and explained the Presidents record, but sadly you Republitards stick your fingers in your ears every time and yell "NYNYNYNYNYNYN I CAN'T Hear You!"

So, lets go over it again.
22 straight months of positive job growth.
Dow Jones over 13,000 it was over 8000 in 2008
Positive, if slight GDP growth
Osama Bin Laden dead
Al Qaeda leadership destroyed, terrorists on the run, scattered, disorganized
Obamacare
Two entire sectors of the economy saved, financial and car manufacturing

Do I have to go on or are you going to continue to act like a child and insist the President has done nothing and had no achievements to trumpet? I know it is your Republitard talking points, but hey let's talk about your guys record.

tens of thousands of jobs destroyed
billions off shored into foreign accounts
Bain Capital saved through government bail outs
Salt Lake Olympics saved through government bail outs

Hmmm....which record looks better?
 
2012-08-31 10:52:28 AM
Marcus Bachman was able to wash that cum stain out of his tie so there's something that went right.
 
2012-08-31 10:52:38 AM
The good news: Romney is going to create 12 million jobs,

The bad news: Everyone will be working at Staples.
 
2012-08-31 10:53:19 AM

badaboom: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.

Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.

So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.


I'm sure Romney will run on his awesome job creation record right? Can't wait to see that.
 
2012-08-31 10:53:52 AM

urbangirl: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Fine.

And the month after Obama took office, the country lost 740,000 jobs. Now we've gained an average of 151,000 jobs every month in 2012.

Sure it ain't where we want it to be, but it is significantly better and there's no honest way for you to deny that. But hey, you keep farking that chicken.

//btw that's four letters.


Yeah, cause every poll out there shows the American people think Obama has done a bang up job in job creation. They love the unemployment rate. Go ahead, run on Obama's job creation record.
 
2012-08-31 10:53:56 AM

badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.


For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.
 
2012-08-31 10:54:45 AM

badaboom: The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.


I love the smell of sarcasm in the morning.

Fine. Vote in Romney. Ain't sh*t gonna change. Why would a big business man helps us out? I would even go as far as saying it will start to get worse. There is no incentive for his corporate overlords to change anything for us. Big business profits are up. Bankers are rolling it again. Tax rates are at a all time low for them and the elected officials will fight tooth and nail to keep the cuts for them.

But go for it. The demented side of me kinda wants to see it. Then y'all can eat sh*t. But that was rude. Have a good one.
 
2012-08-31 10:55:23 AM
I had no idea the job of an American president was to 'stop all the turmoil in the world'. Pretty tall order there.

That would be great to run on. Would love to see Obama get up to the podium and say that America no longer plays a role in peace and stability in the world. Wonder what the slogan for that would be. "America: We no longer matter"?

Keep movin those goalposts.

/You're not very good at this if even I can call you out.
 
2012-08-31 10:55:49 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: Marcus Bachman was able to wash that cum stain out of his tie so there's something that went right.


Protein gets out protein.
 
2012-08-31 10:55:52 AM

badaboom: Yeah, cause every poll out there shows the American people think Obama has done a bang up job in job creation. They love the unemployment rate. Go ahead, run on Obama's job creation record.


They apparently do. He's winning.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:34 AM

Muta: The, "Romney is a the problem, not the solution", theme will be repeated. It is simple enough and true enough so that it should resonate.


They are argue that Obama isn't fixing things fast enough. Obama can argue that they are going to completely fark it up again. We will see which gets more traction.
 
2012-08-31 10:56:34 AM

Mercutio74: Doctor Funkenstein: Marcus Bachman was able to wash that cum stain out of his tie so there's something that went right.

Protein gets out protein.


A load for the load!
 
2012-08-31 10:56:46 AM

Slaves2Darkness: badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Thanks, son. Now go to your room, adults are talking.

Love it! You simply can not defend the President's record so your argument is SHUT UP! Love it.

Run on BLAME BUSH AND SHUT UP! What a great platform.

The liberal argument: Shut Up! Link

Bwhahahahahahahahaahh!

Man no wonder you Republitards loved Eastwood you all argue with a non-existant Obama. We have defended and explained the Presidents record, but sadly you Republitards stick your fingers in your ears every time and yell "NYNYNYNYNYNYN I CAN'T Hear You!"

So, lets go over it again.
22 straight months of positive job growth.
Dow Jones over 13,000 it was over 8000 in 2008
Positive, if slight GDP growth
Osama Bin Laden dead
Al Qaeda leadership destroyed, terrorists on the run, scattered, disorganized
Obamacare
Two entire sectors of the economy saved, financial and car manufacturing

Do I have to go on or are you going to continue to act like a child and insist the President has done nothing and had no achievements to trumpet? I know it is your Republitard talking points, but hey let's talk about your guys record.

tens of thousands of jobs destroyed
billions off shored into foreign accounts
Bain Capital saved through government bail outs
Salt Lake Olympics saved through government bail outs

Hmmm....which record looks better?



Link
 
2012-08-31 10:58:31 AM

badaboom: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: Just look at how awesome the economy is.

Okay...

Awesome? No.

Better than it was four years ago?

Hmm... How to answer... hmm... Pretty sure someone more ambitious than myself has a graph or numbers or whatever to point out why you're a retard for thinking the economy is bad.

Now. Go to your room.

So I am sure that the DNC will be running on this outstanding economy right? Can't wait to see that.

They'll be running on a BETTER economy, yes. And, rightly so since, well, they fixed it in spite of Republican obstruction. Your problem, sad, little person, is that you think you want the economy to be hauled back from near rubble to outstanding in just four years, and that's just not possible. Especially since you have no idea what an economy actually IS.

Now, if I give you some crayons, will you please leave the adults alone?

So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.


My argument seems to be that you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, and you're sounding like an intellectual infant who can only parrot the talking points of his far more thoughtless superiors because he's too dense to embrace reality and think for himself.

So, yeah. You're a child who wants to vote for children.

P.S. Do I have to "love" the job the president has done on the economy in order to vote for him? Do you see the hazard of letting these binary absolutes dictate your opinion?
 
2012-08-31 10:59:08 AM

badaboom: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


Really? You mean like the fact that private sector jobs are up. And the only reason total jobs aren't up is because of the loss of public sector jobs, which your side equate to useless sinecures that are destroying America? So, Obama has created the jobs you want, and gotten rid of the ones you don't, and this makes you butthurt?

Also: Obamacare, only unpopular until you tell people what's in it. DADT: the patriotic, equality-loving people Americans give a crap about it - why do you hate America and the freedoms we hold so dear? Was Benedict Arnold your great-great-great-grandfather or something? Do you secretly lust for being taken anally by Idi Amin?
 
2012-08-31 11:01:01 AM
P.S. Do I have to "love" the job the president has done on the economy in order to vote for him?

Evidently yes, you do.


Do you see the hazard of letting these binary absolutes dictate your opinion?

Evidently no, he doesn't.
 
2012-08-31 11:01:46 AM

badaboom: urbangirl: This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Fine.

And the month after Obama took office, the country lost 740,000 jobs. Now we've gained an average of 151,000 jobs every month in 2012.

Sure it ain't where we want it to be, but it is significantly better and there's no honest way for you to deny that. But hey, you keep farking that chicken.

//btw that's four letters.

Yeah, cause every poll out there shows the American people think Obama has done a bang up job in job creation. They love the unemployment rate. Go ahead, run on Obama's job creation record.


They have been running on that. Millions of real jobs which were added under Obama. Surely you are familiar with the bikini graph?

Romney's been running on 12 million jobs he will create. If put Obama's real numbers against Romney's made up numbers, Romney wins (wins your vote anyways apparently).
 
2012-08-31 11:04:40 AM

Vodka Zombie: badaboom: J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link

Stick to the 57 states thing.


My favourite Romney gaffe is when he introduced Paul Ryan as the "next Vice-President of the United Sates".
 
2012-08-31 11:05:36 AM

dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.


Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y
 
2012-08-31 11:06:32 AM

mrshowrules: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link

Stick to the 57 states thing.

My favourite Romney gaffe is when he introduced Paul Ryan as the "next Vice-President of the United Sates".


Can't even get the gaffe itself right? Ironic.
 
2012-08-31 11:08:42 AM

urbangirl: P.S. Do I have to "love" the job the president has done on the economy in order to vote for him?

Evidently yes, you do.


Do you see the hazard of letting these binary absolutes dictate your opinion?

Evidently no, he doesn't.


Love how only those not in favor of Obama see the world in black and white while those in favor of Obama are great thinkers who see both sides of every issue. Surely then you can see some reason that someone would support Romney over Obama with your enlightened intellect.
 
2012-08-31 11:09:12 AM

badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y


And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...
 
2012-08-31 11:09:28 AM
Eastwood's act made my day.
 
2012-08-31 11:10:29 AM

badaboom: urbangirl: P.S. Do I have to "love" the job the president has done on the economy in order to vote for him?

Evidently yes, you do.


Do you see the hazard of letting these binary absolutes dictate your opinion?

Evidently no, he doesn't.

Love how only those not in favor of Obama see the world in black and white while those in favor of Obama are great thinkers who see both sides of every issue. Surely then you can see some reason that someone would support Romney over Obama with your enlightened intellect.


Give me your reason's, please? And the only rule I have is you can't say "He is not Obama"
 
2012-08-31 11:11:42 AM

busy chillin': badaboom: urbangirl: P.S. Do I have to "love" the job the president has done on the economy in order to vote for him?

Evidently yes, you do.


Do you see the hazard of letting these binary absolutes dictate your opinion?

Evidently no, he doesn't.

Love how only those not in favor of Obama see the world in black and white while those in favor of Obama are great thinkers who see both sides of every issue. Surely then you can see some reason that someone would support Romney over Obama with your enlightened intellect.

Give me your reason's, please? And the only rule I have is you can't say "He is not Obama"


Aren't the reasons obvious?
 
2012-08-31 11:12:53 AM
s13.postimage.org
 
2012-08-31 11:13:26 AM

qorkfiend: badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y

And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...


Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.
 
2012-08-31 11:14:37 AM

busy chillin': Give me your reason's, please? And the only rule I have is you can't say "He is not Obama"


He will give more money to the rich; he will insure that the paperbag test will be applied to all government spending; he will make the economy immediately go into a level of overdrive that will dwarf the 50s and 60s with his magic underwear; he is not black (see, it isn't just that he isn't Obama, but he isn't any negroid)
 
2012-08-31 11:14:41 AM

badaboom:
Aren't the reasons obvious?


not even close. I am curious what your reasons for voting Romney are.
 
2012-08-31 11:19:08 AM

badaboom: Obamacare. Unpopular


..with people who don't know what it actually is. Most of the people with an unfavorable attitude towards "Obamacare" just say "it's bad", but if you break it down piece by piece without mentioning the scary word, they're in favor of all or most of its components.

DADT. Really, do you think the majority of Americans give a crap about this?

So civil rights isn't a big deal? 'kay.

Osama: So now you guys want to run on the pro-military tough guy platform? You guys make it sound like Obama cracked Osama;s neck with his bare hands and then ripped out his still beating heart.

I actually think the whole Osama thing should be downplayed because it detracts from the administration's other successes re: northern Africa, Iraq, the Korean peninsula, etc

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Yes, Obama has a perception problem with this and deserves some fault for not taking a firmer stance and perhaps stronger methods in dealing with a Congress actively working to harm the economy.
 
2012-08-31 11:20:57 AM

badaboom: Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.


Oh, don't worry. He'll lose that one too.
 
2012-08-31 11:27:11 AM

badaboom: He deserves another 4 years.


I agree.
 
2012-08-31 11:27:15 AM

badaboom: mrshowrules: Vodka Zombie: badaboom: J-O-B-S is a 3 letter word. Joe Biden told me so.

Link

Stick to the 57 states thing.

My favourite Romney gaffe is when he introduced Paul Ryan as the "next Vice-President of the United Sates".

Can't even get the gaffe itself right? Ironic.


I got it right. You missed it.
 
2012-08-31 11:27:31 AM
badaboom:

Come on, son.
 
2012-08-31 11:28:11 AM
p.twimg.com
 
2012-08-31 11:29:36 AM

TimSTP: [img266.imageshack.us image 471x343]


I just watched that episode the other day, so I'm getting a kick, etc.
 
2012-08-31 11:30:11 AM

TimSTP:


Oh, my. I didn't watch. Was it that bad?

This is my children's favorite thing to say- if an interview or round table or anything that could even come close to referencing a guest on a show.

Yeah, I'm lucky.
 
2012-08-31 11:30:54 AM

The Bestest: badaboom: Obamacare. Unpopular

..with people who don't know what it actually is. Most of the people with an unfavorable attitude towards "Obamacare" just say "it's bad", but if you break it down piece by piece without mentioning the scary word, they're in favor of all or most of its components.

DADT. Really, do you think the majority of Americans give a crap about this?

So civil rights isn't a big deal? 'kay.

Osama: So now you guys want to run on the pro-military tough guy platform? You guys make it sound like Obama cracked Osama;s neck with his bare hands and then ripped out his still beating heart.

I actually think the whole Osama thing should be downplayed because it detracts from the administration's other successes re: northern Africa, Iraq, the Korean peninsula, etc

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Yes, Obama has a perception problem with this and deserves some fault for not taking a firmer stance and perhaps stronger methods in dealing with a Congress actively working to harm the economy.


Your points are valid, but thus far Obama has done a poor job convincing anyone what you say is true. Perception is reality. And most Americans have a poor opinion on Obamacare. As far as civil rights issues, DADT falls pretty low on most Americans radar. DADT and gay marriage are not major issues for the vast majority of Americans and if you look at recent state elections (including California) most Americans are still on the opposite side of the President. You are right, he should stop spiking the football on Osama. Gonna be hard to convince the public he is the bad ass he wants to be perceived as AND convince the far left that he is not a war monger (drone strikes, Gitmo still open, still in Afghanistan).
 
2012-08-31 11:31:32 AM

TheMysticS: TimSTP:

Oh, my. I didn't watch. Was it that bad?

This is my children's favorite thing to say- if an interview or round table or anything that could even come close to referencing a guest on a show.

Yeah, I'm lucky.


I'll try harder to make sense and finish my sentences properly next time, I promise.

D'oh
 
2012-08-31 11:36:05 AM
badaboom:
since you replied but not to me...I guess that means you can't articulate your reasons for voting for Romney.

Is that correct?
 
2012-08-31 11:36:45 AM

badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y

And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...

Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.


Actually, I'm going off an aggregation. It was a nice try, sorry.
 
2012-08-31 11:42:02 AM

qorkfiend: badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y

And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...

Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.

Actually, I'm going off an aggregation. It was a nice try, sorry.


You mean this?

Link

That's like celebrating when your team is up 3-0 in the first quarter of a football game.
 
2012-08-31 11:44:52 AM

badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y

And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...

Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.

Actually, I'm going off an aggregation. It was a nice try, sorry.

You mean this?

Link

That's like celebrating when your team is up 3-0 in the first quarter of a football game.


Nope. And anyway, 3-0 is more than enough to win if you're in the third quarter and your opponent can't score any points.
 
2012-08-31 11:48:09 AM
What I want to know is, is the Romney campaign trying to make people think this guy is Latino?

nbclatino.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-31 11:49:39 AM
Six things went wrong, one of which was the weather, and none of which involved the candidate? Sounds like a pretty spectacularly successful venture. Most people couldn't pull off a high school dance with that few mistakes.
 
2012-08-31 11:51:50 AM
Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?
 
2012-08-31 11:53:05 AM

qorkfiend: badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: qorkfiend: badaboom: dericwater: badaboom: So your argument is shut up? Got it. But I am sure you are right. The American people love the job the President has done on the economy. He gets an A+.

For you, yes, shut up. With regards to the economy, President gets and A+, Congress gets F, Supreme Court gets a D. Overall government: C-.

Running the government is a team sport. Unfortunately, we have two losers, the congress and the supreme court. Trade them for some fresh meat and we'll be doing well.

Except the majority of Americans agree with me and not you.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/obama-job-approval-econo m y

And yet, Mitt Romney is still losing...

Cherry pick your poll if it makes you feel good. The only one that matters is in Nov.

Actually, I'm going off an aggregation. It was a nice try, sorry.

You mean this?

Link

That's like celebrating when your team is up 3-0 in the first quarter of a football game.

Nope. And anyway, 3-0 is more than enough to win if you're in the third quarter and your opponent can't score any points.


Here's another analogy. Sitting Presidents are the defending Champs. You are supposed to be way ahead at this point. And you are not. But go ahead and call this one over. Teams do great when they are overconfident. I am sure that's the best way to get your side to the booths.
 
2012-08-31 11:53:58 AM

busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?


Hope and Change.
 
2012-08-31 11:54:28 AM
OK the RNC convention wasn't the worst thing ever. But I was probably below average for a political convention. Romney needed at least a better than average convention. He did not get that.

Does that mean it's over? No. The debates could be a big change to things but Obama is going to have an advantage there.
 
2012-08-31 12:00:07 PM

badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


I double face palmed at my desk. I try to refrain from insults and personal attacks so I will just hit add comment
 
2012-08-31 12:00:53 PM

badaboom: Here's another analogy. Sitting Presidents are the defending Champs. You are supposed to be way ahead at this point. And you are not. But go ahead and call this one over. Teams do great when they are overconfident. I am sure that's the best way to get your side to the booths.


70% chance of winning vs. 30% chance of winning isn't way ahead?
 
2012-08-31 12:01:04 PM

badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.



Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?
 
2012-08-31 12:01:39 PM

Garet Garrett: none of which involved the candidate?


Well, Ryan did give the least truthful speech ever in a convention. But I guess that's not technically something that went wrong; he meant to do that.
 
2012-08-31 12:03:20 PM
Now that we're past the convention, I feel like a bunch of old white motherfarkers are trying to sell me a goddamn Betamax while trying to convince me it's "the next big thing".
 
2012-08-31 12:11:26 PM
Garet Garrett:
Cat got your tongue?
 
2012-08-31 12:11:51 PM

Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?


Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.
 
2012-08-31 12:12:28 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.


That's a lot of words to say "I have no idea why I support Mitt Romney"
 
2012-08-31 12:13:08 PM

Corvus: OK the RNC convention wasn't the worst thing ever. But I was probably below average for a political convention. Romney needed at least a better than average convention. He did not get that.

Does that mean it's over? No. The debates could be a big change to things but Obama is going to have an advantage there.


There was nothing wrong with the convention. They needed a better nominee. The speeches were loaded with endless stupid platitudes on purpose. They have no real plans and there are just too many topics that are off limits. All things considered, I give them a B+ on the convention.

Even if the would have nailed it, it wouldn't make a difference. Romney's only chance now is if Obama gets high before the debates.
 
2012-08-31 12:13:15 PM

badaboom: farkityfarker: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.

That's a good one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE run on BLAME BUSH.

PLEASE?

Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.

COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?


His record is fine. Only people deep, deep inside the Republican mind control zone claim otherwise.
 
2012-08-31 12:14:22 PM

Zerochance: Now that we're past the convention, I feel like a bunch of old white motherfarkers are trying to sell me a goddamn Betamax while trying to convince me it's "the next big thing".


If they outlaw porn, you might be wishing you still had a VCR that played Betamax.
 
2012-08-31 12:15:20 PM

mrshowrules: Romney's only chance now is if Obama gets high before the debates.


I feel like that could only help Obama.
 
2012-08-31 12:16:01 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.


You went on the derp defensive in a hurry. You don't have to stoop to stereotypes. Just calmly explain yourself.
I gave you one rule. Those others came to your mind on their own.
 
2012-08-31 12:16:11 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.

That's a lot of words to say "I have no idea why I support Mitt Romney"


Do you honestly believe that?
 
2012-08-31 12:18:22 PM

badaboom:

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.


Well, there's your problem right there.
 
2012-08-31 12:18:37 PM
Anyone else notice Newt's voice is higher than Calista's?
 
2012-08-31 12:19:18 PM

Garet Garrett: Six things went wrong, one of which was the weather, and none of which involved the candidate? Sounds like a pretty spectacularly successful venture. Most people couldn't pull off a high school dance with that few mistakes.


No one could have predicted a hurricane in Florida during hurricane season? Apparently America needs a President who can almost get it right and limit major screw-ups to under six. Dubya almost did it.

/yes the DNC booked in a Hurricane zone also
 
2012-08-31 12:19:45 PM

busy chillin': badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.

You went on the derp defensive in a hurry. You don't have to stoop to stereotypes. Just calmly explain yourself.
I gave you one rule. Those others came to your mind on their own.


In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?
 
2012-08-31 12:19:51 PM
And really, if your honest reasons are you don't like gay people, or you hate abortion, or you make a ton of money and don't want to pay more taxes, or entitlements should be cut, or don't think women should get birth control, or people with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health care, or all poor people are lazy then at least you have a reason.

I don't agree, but hey, it is a free country and you can have your views.
 
2012-08-31 12:20:29 PM

mrshowrules: Zerochance: Now that we're past the convention, I feel like a bunch of old white motherfarkers are trying to sell me a goddamn Betamax while trying to convince me it's "the next big thing".

If they outlaw porn, you might be wishing you still had a VCR that played Betamax.


I'm starting to think of the GOP as HDDVD. The Republican base is looking to purchase this:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-31 12:20:46 PM

shroom: badaboom:

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Well, there's your problem right there.


Guess we will be posting this a few times....

Link
 
2012-08-31 12:20:49 PM

badaboom: Do you honestly believe that?


Yep. You've posted about six times without ever giving one reason why you are voting for Mitt Romney. I believe you honestly have no idea why you are doing it, because you are going to great lengths to avoid answering what should be a simple question.
 
2012-08-31 12:21:24 PM

badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?


What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?
 
2012-08-31 12:21:32 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: What I want to know is, is the Romney campaign trying to make people think this guy is Latino?

[nbclatino.files.wordpress.com image 640x478]


The GOP is bringing big tent politics to Ann Romney's vagina.
 
2012-08-31 12:22:16 PM

busy chillin': And really, if your honest reasons are you don't like gay people, or you hate abortion, or you make a ton of money and don't want to pay more taxes, or entitlements should be cut, or don't think women should get birth control, or people with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health care, or all poor people are lazy then at least you have a reason.

I don't agree, but hey, it is a free country and you can have your views.


Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.
 
2012-08-31 12:22:56 PM

badaboom: busy chillin': badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.

You went on the derp defensive in a hurry. You don't have to stoop to stereotypes. Just calmly explain yourself.
I gave you one rule. Those others came to your mind on their own.

In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?


What IS Romney's vision for America in your opinion?
 
2012-08-31 12:23:31 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?


I doubt anyone actually knows what Mitt's vision for America is. All he does is slander Obama.
 
2012-08-31 12:23:44 PM

badaboom: busy chillin': And really, if your honest reasons are you don't like gay people, or you hate abortion, or you make a ton of money and don't want to pay more taxes, or entitlements should be cut, or don't think women should get birth control, or people with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health care, or all poor people are lazy then at least you have a reason.

I don't agree, but hey, it is a free country and you can have your views.

Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.


What is incorrect about his statement and why?
 
2012-08-31 12:23:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?


This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link
 
2012-08-31 12:24:23 PM

Alphax: I doubt anyone actually knows what Mitt's vision for America is. All he does is slander Obama.


Hell, I don't think even Mitt knows. All he knows is that he wants the Big Chair that he's been chasing for the past eight years.
 
2012-08-31 12:24:58 PM

badaboom: This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.


So, you have no idea what Romney's vision for America is. OK then.
 
2012-08-31 12:25:38 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: busy chillin': And really, if your honest reasons are you don't like gay people, or you hate abortion, or you make a ton of money and don't want to pay more taxes, or entitlements should be cut, or don't think women should get birth control, or people with pre-existing conditions don't deserve health care, or all poor people are lazy then at least you have a reason.

I don't agree, but hey, it is a free country and you can have your views.

Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.

What is incorrect about his statement and why?


So you want to defend your belief that anyone who does not agree with you is all of the above. Go ahead and defend it. Almost everyone I know is none of the above.
 
2012-08-31 12:26:05 PM

badaboom: So you want to defend your belief that anyone who does not agree with you is all of the above. Go ahead and defend it. Almost everyone I know is none of the above.


You didn't answer the question.
 
2012-08-31 12:26:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

So, you have no idea what Romney's vision for America is. OK then.


I just listed it. Prove me wrong. Or you have no arguments?
 
2012-08-31 12:26:49 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: So you want to defend your belief that anyone who does not agree with you is all of the above. Go ahead and defend it. Almost everyone I know is none of the above.

You didn't answer the question.


Neither did you.
 
2012-08-31 12:27:09 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

So, you have no idea what Romney's vision for America is. OK then.

I just listed it. Prove me wrong. Or you have no arguments?


You didn't prove that you know any of it. What is his plan to create jobs? Do you even know?
 
2012-08-31 12:27:45 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: So you want to defend your belief that anyone who does not agree with you is all of the above. Go ahead and defend it. Almost everyone I know is none of the above.

You didn't answer the question.

Neither did you.


I never said I believed that anyone is "all of the above." Or even any of the above.
 
2012-08-31 12:28:22 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?

This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link

In June 2012, Romney pledged to enact a system to replace the Affordable Care Act, but did not release details of how it would be paid for.[89] Romney's plan includes expanding health savings accounts to pay for premiums, increased competition and consumer choice, and lawsuit reform.[90] Romney has also praised the cost controls of the mandated universal health care coverage of Israel.[91]


Who couldn't support such a well though out, detailed plan?
 
2012-08-31 12:28:51 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Who couldn't support such a well though out, detailed plan?


He didn't read any of it.
 
2012-08-31 12:34:11 PM

badaboom: farkityfarker: badaboom: Can't wait till the Democratic Convention when the Dems get up and crow about their achievements over the past 4 years. I mean it is a no brainer. Best President ever. Just look at how awesome the economy is. And there is virtually no more turmoil in the world. Yep, what a GREAT job this President has done. He deserves another 4 years. Heck, he deserves another 40 years! He's done an AMAZING job!

Dream on.

Obama is going to tear the Republicans to shreds. Including Bush, who gave him the mess he inherited, the obstructionist Republicans in the House and Senate, and Romney and Ryan, just based on the policies they've stated that they support.

That's a good one. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE run on BLAME BUSH.

PLEASE?

Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.

COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?


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2012-08-31 12:43:25 PM

badaboom: shroom: badaboom:

This election is about a 3 letter word: J-O-B-S.

Well, there's your problem right there.

Guess we will be posting this a few times....

Link


And it gets funnier and even more relevant every time you do it. But seriously, pointing to Real Clear Politics and arguing that the poll aggregation only gives Obama a 0.5% lead in the nationwide polls is entirely irrelevant because the President is not elected by popular vote, he is elected by the electoral college. Obama currently has a substantive lead in the electoral college. See here: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/

As for your other points, this election is certainly not about a single issue, folks will vote for a whole bunch of different reasons, and even if the economy and jobs turn out to be the most important reasons it isn't enough for Romney to say "Obama did a bad job." He has to convince America that he will do a better job. He really hasn't done that because the only economic vision he has articulated is "cut taxes and deregulate everything" which a lot of folks remember as being the policies that got us into this mess in the first place. He had an excellent platform to expand upon that in the form of his convention, but he really didn't, he put forward almost no policy specifics.

It is clearly hurting him, the polls have been drifting back in Obama's direction, heck 538 gives Obama the best chance of winning today then they have in the entire race. The whole convention was a colossal missed opportunity. But hey, there is still two months to go and Romney could make up some ground with a good debate performance. He could also make up ground with his substantial cash on hand advantage, or perhaps the race-baiting the Republican party has been engaging in may pay dividends (doubtful at this point as the countries supply of angry old white guys is diminished).. But saying at this point that he is in a good position is just delusional, he is behind and needs to make up a LOT of ground if he is going to win in November.
 
2012-08-31 12:48:04 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.


I never said those things. You are making it up. Why can't you just answer the question instead of making up things no one actually said?

I do not know why you would support Romney over Obama, that's why I asked. Why are you so angry about someone asking you a fair questions like that?
 
2012-08-31 12:51:14 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?

This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link


So you don't know why yourself? You don't think for yourself about these issues you just cut and paste what you are told?
 
2012-08-31 12:52:38 PM

badaboom: Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.


That's not 50% of Americans, that's ~50% of people responding to a poll expressing an intention to vote. This may seem like a petty detail, but the semantics here ARE important. I do believe that the "eligible but willfully non-voting" segment is a significant block.

Now, of those specifically voting FOR Romney, would you not agree that a -very- significant portion of that vote falls into one or more of the listed reasons?
 
2012-08-31 12:55:46 PM

Corvus: badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?

This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link

So you don't know why yourself? You don't think for yourself about these issues you just cut and paste what you are told?


Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.
 
2012-08-31 12:57:55 PM

Corvus: badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: busy chillin': Garet Garrett:

The other Romney supporter in here won't answer...why are voting for Romney?

Hope and Change.


Seriously does it every bother you that you can't answer a question like that? I see this all the time with Republicans. You ask them why they feel a certain way and they can't answer. Does that ever make you pause and reevaluate why you believe something other then someone told you should feel that way?

Yes, cause the other side never has a reason for what they believe. They are all a bunch of uneducated rednecks who cling to their guns and religion. If the other side had anything more than a neanderthal pea brain they would see how wrong they are and how right you are. Save us from ourselves oh enlightened left.

Why do you think someone would support Romney over Obama. Difficulty: Can't use the words racist, homophobe, war on women, or rich/selfish.

I never said those things. You are making it up. Why can't you just answer the question instead of making up things no one actually said?

I do not know why you would support Romney over Obama, that's why I asked. Why are you so angry about someone asking you a fair questions like that?


But Fark has already told me why we support Romney. And it is all of the above. How could it be anything else? The only people who support Romney are dumb racists. Every single one of them.
 
2012-08-31 12:59:42 PM

badaboom: Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.


1) PPACA
2) bin Laden
3) he plans to cut the deficit by using a sane strategy of raising taxes on the wealthy and cutting fraud and waste out of government.

See, when your candidate actually has a record worth noting and has articulated a plan for the future, it's very easy to answer that question.
 
2012-08-31 01:00:27 PM

badaboom: But Fark has already told me why we support Romney. And it is all of the above. How could it be anything else? The only people who support Romney are dumb racists. Every single one of them.


English isn't your first language, is it. Please point out where "Fark" told you this.
 
2012-08-31 01:02:47 PM
Oh, and I forgot: investment in cleaner, American-made energy sources, which Mitt Romney has zero interest in doing.
 
2012-08-31 01:03:10 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.

1) PPACA
2) bin Laden
3) he plans to cut the deficit by using a sane strategy of raising taxes on the wealthy and cutting fraud and waste out of government.

See, when your candidate actually has a record worth noting and has articulated a plan for the future, it's very easy to answer that question.



Funny, cause 1 and 3 are actually the reasons why I am voting against him. And 2, well that's not a reason to elect someone is it? You do realize a Republican would have done the same exact thing. At least we can agree bin Laden being dead is a good thing. But hard to reconcile the whole drone, gitmo still open etc with the hard left. Which Obama is it? The Nobel Peace prize Obama or the America Fark, Yeah. Can't be both.
 
2012-08-31 01:07:46 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?

This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link

So you don't know why yourself? You don't think for yourself about these issues you just cut and paste what you are told?

Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.


1) Intelligent, nuanced, situation based foreign policy
2) PPACA
3) Support for higher education
4) Vastly superior record in support for the sciences
5) Intelligent deficit reduction using both tax increases and cuts (or you know, listening to the damn experts)
6) Much better record on support for green technology/new energy technology coupled with a realistic energy policy (heres a hint: theres no single answer thats adequate)
7) supports finance reform
8) Rights for the LGBT community, women's rights

/specifics are nice aren't they?
 
2012-08-31 01:08:29 PM

badaboom: Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.


I can give you mine if you like.

I'm an imperialist social liberal with left-of-center fiscal leanings.
I strongly approve of Obama's foreign policy.
I dislike ACA because I prefer a single-payer system, but I believe ACA is better than what we had and a necessary step towards something better. I consider Republican alternatives a regression.
I largely disapprove of Obama's stances towards personal freedoms (NDAA, initial support of SOPA/PIPA) but feel Republican stances to be much worse.
I consider Obama to be too much of a corporatist fiscally, but again, feel Republican plans are much worse.
I feel Obama was naive in his first couple of years in handling Congress but do believe he has since grown and improved in that aspect and would have more leverage in a second term.
I believe the Supreme Court is too far to the right and would prefer Obama in position to appoint justices than Romney.
I will not vote third party because I'm a realist that remembers 2000 and the Ralph Nader effect.
 
2012-08-31 01:09:47 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.

1) PPACA
2) bin Laden
3) he plans to cut the deficit by using a sane strategy of raising taxes on the wealthy and cutting fraud and waste out of government.

See, when your candidate actually has a record worth noting and has articulated a plan for the future, it's very easy to answer that question.


Funny, cause 1 and 3 are actually the reasons why I am voting against him. And 2, well that's not a reason to elect someone is it? You do realize a Republican would have done the same exact thing. At least we can agree bin Laden being dead is a good thing. But hard to reconcile the whole drone, gitmo still open etc with the hard left. Which Obama is it? The Nobel Peace prize Obama or the America Fark, Yeah. Can't be both.


You are against cutting the deficit by a sane strategy?
 
2012-08-31 01:10:35 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: You are against cutting the deficit by a sane strategy?



He's backing Grover Norquist's party... of course he is.
 
2012-08-31 01:11:35 PM

badaboom:

You do realize a Republican would have done the same exact thing. At least we can agree bin Laden being dead is a good thing. But hard to reconcile the whole drone, gitmo still open etc with the hard left. Which Obama is it? The Nobel Peace prize Obama or the America Fark, Yeah. Can't be both.


Actually, no. The then Republican candidate specifically stated that he would NOT have violated Packistans sovereignty to get Bin laden:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2011_05/029220.p h p

Obama always stated he would have a very aggressive foreign policy visa-vie terrorism, it was actually a talking point against him in 2008. Most folks voted for him expecting an America Fark, Yeah policy and he more than delivered. You have to at least give Obama as much credit for bin laden as you give him blame for the economy, to do otherwise is pretty disingenuous.
 
2012-08-31 01:12:01 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.

1) PPACA
2) bin Laden
3) he plans to cut the deficit by using a sane strategy of raising taxes on the wealthy and cutting fraud and waste out of government.

See, when your candidate actually has a record worth noting and has articulated a plan for the future, it's very easy to answer that question.


Funny, cause 1 and 3 are actually the reasons why I am voting against him. And 2, well that's not a reason to elect someone is it? You do realize a Republican would have done the same exact thing. At least we can agree bin Laden being dead is a good thing. But hard to reconcile the whole drone, gitmo still open etc with the hard left. Which Obama is it? The Nobel Peace prize Obama or the America Fark, Yeah. Can't be both.


Now I know your trolling.

The Republicans DID have a shot at getting him. At Tora Bora. They specifically backed off. Bush disbanded the unit tracking Bin Laden. Bush and several advisors made numerous public statements declaring Bin Laden was no longer a prioirty. McCain and the Republicans freaked out when Obama said he would do exactly what he ended up authorizing with the raid during a debate.

GITMO is also open because the GOP filibustered efforts to close it. The Drone program has shown far more succesful results than any of the operations Bush enacted. Al Qaeda wasn't even IN Iraq until after the invasion.
 
2012-08-31 01:18:02 PM

Mercutio74: mrshowrules: Zerochance: Now that we're past the convention, I feel like a bunch of old white motherfarkers are trying to sell me a goddamn Betamax while trying to convince me it's "the next big thing".

If they outlaw porn, you might be wishing you still had a VCR that played Betamax.

I'm starting to think of the GOP as HDDVD. The Republican base is looking to purchase this:
[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x197]


What is that 4 Terabits? Might be OK for my German stuff I suppose but I going to need a few dozen overall.
 
2012-08-31 01:18:05 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

What is his vision for America, and why do you believe that is better?

This platform is better than Obama's. Prove me wrong.

Link

So you don't know why yourself? You don't think for yourself about these issues you just cut and paste what you are told?

Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.


I have lots of reasons the main reason is because we will have a economic system that will be more fair. One that will give more opportunity to the poor and middle class to be successful if they work hard. Romney on the other hand will follow Bush policies that will make it harder for the poor and middle class while just giving tax cuts to the rich.


Now will you finally answer me?
 
2012-08-31 01:19:22 PM

badaboom: But Fark has already told me why we support Romney. And it is all of the above. How could it be anything else? The only people who support Romney are dumb racists. Every single one of them.


Who has said that? Then why not set the record straight? Why do you like making yourself into a victim?
 
2012-08-31 01:26:43 PM

cameroncrazy1984: mrshowrules: Romney's only chance now is if Obama gets high before the debates.

I feel like that could only help Obama.


I can see it in my minds eye. Obama walks on to the stage and instead of shaking hands with the Mitt, he holds up a fist bump. Several awkward seconds. "Don't leave me hanging Williard." Finally, Romney goes for the fist bump but before completion, Obama pulls his hand away to wave to various people in the audience.

Obama sits down and giggles while Romney answers the first question. Obama loudly squeals and various other outbursts of laughter at all the GOP talking points. When it is Obama's turn to answer, he stands up (still giggling), picks up the empty chair and places it closer to Romney, gestures to it and then walks off the stage.
 
2012-08-31 01:26:58 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: 1) Intelligent, nuanced, situation based foreign policy
2) PPACA
3) Support for higher education
4) Vastly superior record in support for the sciences
5) Intelligent deficit reduction using both tax increases and cuts (or you know, listening to the damn experts)
6) Much better record on support for green technology/new energy technology coupled with a realistic energy policy (heres a hint: theres no single answer thats adequate)
7) supports finance reform
8) Rights for the LGBT community, women's rights




1) That's a joke
2) Most Americans disagree with you.
3) Care to share details?
4) Details?
5) Funny, I thought the deficit was getting bigger. Is there some sort of parallel universe this is occurring in?
6) Hint: Solyndra.
7) Specifics?
8) Not an issue in this election with the undecideds.
 
2012-08-31 01:27:10 PM

Corvus: I have lots of reasons the main reason is because we will have a economic system that will be more fair. One that will give more opportunity to the poor and middle class to be successful if they work hard. Romney on the other hand will follow Bush policies that will make it harder for the poor and middle class while just giving tax cuts to the rich.


I'll give specific ways it will be more fair:

1) College - I believe under Obama that it will be easier for poor and middle class to go to college because those public funds will not be cut like under Romney they might.

2) Taxes - Obama want's to protect the tax cuts for the poor and middle classes. Ryan's plan would most likely raise taxes on those people. Romney has not given specifics but analysis of what he has said show he will need to get money somewhere and Romney has said he is going to remove many deductions to cut tax rates for the rich so it's assumed these deductions would come from the middle class.

3) Healthcare - Healthcare is one of the biggest burdens to the poor and middle class. Under "Obamacare" medical expenses get capped which will means much less of the middle class becoming bankrupt because of getting sick or loved one's getting sick which was the number 1 cause of bankrupts in the US. Also poor people will have subsidized healthcare coverage. Lastly many people will now be able to retire because they will be able to keep their healthcare which will open more jobs for people.


See I am happy to discuss why I support Obama because I actually understand why I support him. To me it seems if you are afraid to tell someone why you support a candidate it's probably because you don't know why you do.
 
2012-08-31 01:28:14 PM

Corvus: Corvus: I have lots of reasons the main reason is because we will have a economic system that will be more fair. One that will give more opportunity to the poor and middle class to be successful if they work hard. Romney on the other hand will follow Bush policies that will make it harder for the poor and middle class while just giving tax cuts to the rich.

I'll give specific ways it will be more fair:

1) College - I believe under Obama that it will be easier for poor and middle class to go to college because those public funds will not be cut like under Romney they might.

2) Taxes - Obama want's to protect the tax cuts for the poor and middle classes. Ryan's plan would most likely raise taxes on those people. Romney has not given specifics but analysis of what he has said show he will need to get money somewhere and Romney has said he is going to remove many deductions to cut tax rates for the rich so it's assumed these deductions would come from the middle class.

3) Healthcare - Healthcare is one of the biggest burdens to the poor and middle class. Under "Obamacare" medical expenses get capped which will means much less of the middle class becoming bankrupt because of getting sick or loved one's getting sick which was the number 1 cause of bankrupts in the US. Also poor people will have subsidized healthcare coverage. Lastly many people will now be able to retire because they will be able to keep their healthcare which will open more jobs for people.


See I am happy to discuss why I support Obama because I actually understand why I support him. To me it seems if you are afraid to tell someone why you support a candidate it's probably because you don't know why you do.


Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.
 
2012-08-31 01:28:55 PM

badaboom: Wicked Chinchilla: 1) Intelligent, nuanced, situation based foreign policy
2) PPACA
3) Support for higher education
4) Vastly superior record in support for the sciences
5) Intelligent deficit reduction using both tax increases and cuts (or you know, listening to the damn experts)
6) Much better record on support for green technology/new energy technology coupled with a realistic energy policy (heres a hint: theres no single answer thats adequate)
7) supports finance reform
8) Rights for the LGBT community, women's rights



1) That's a joke
2) Most Americans disagree with you.
3) Care to share details?
4) Details?
5) Funny, I thought the deficit was getting bigger. Is there some sort of parallel universe this is occurring in?
6) Hint: Solyndra.
7) Specifics?
8) Not an issue in this election with the undecideds.


So you need to give not reasons at all but everyone else must give every detail possible? Don't you think that's a double standard??
 
2012-08-31 01:30:19 PM

badaboom: Corvus: Corvus: I have lots of reasons the main reason is because we will have a economic system that will be more fair. One that will give more opportunity to the poor and middle class to be successful if they work hard. Romney on the other hand will follow Bush policies that will make it harder for the poor and middle class while just giving tax cuts to the rich.

I'll give specific ways it will be more fair:

1) College - I believe under Obama that it will be easier for poor and middle class to go to college because those public funds will not be cut like under Romney they might.

2) Taxes - Obama want's to protect the tax cuts for the poor and middle classes. Ryan's plan would most likely raise taxes on those people. Romney has not given specifics but analysis of what he has said show he will need to get money somewhere and Romney has said he is going to remove many deductions to cut tax rates for the rich so it's assumed these deductions would come from the middle class.

3) Healthcare - Healthcare is one of the biggest burdens to the poor and middle class. Under "Obamacare" medical expenses get capped which will means much less of the middle class becoming bankrupt because of getting sick or loved one's getting sick which was the number 1 cause of bankrupts in the US. Also poor people will have subsidized healthcare coverage. Lastly many people will now be able to retire because they will be able to keep their healthcare which will open more jobs for people.


See I am happy to discuss why I support Obama because I actually understand why I support him. To me it seems if you are afraid to tell someone why you support a candidate it's probably because you don't know why you do.

Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.


It gives OPPORTUNITY for people who work hard to SUCCEED. Last I checked we called that "The AMERICAN DREAM".

You don't think people should be given an opportunity to succeed in this country?
 
2012-08-31 01:31:20 PM

badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.


SO you against all taxes and all government programs? Defense spending is also Redistribution of wealth are you against that too then?
 
2012-08-31 01:34:10 PM

badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.


The largest Government money "REDISTRIBUTION" program is US defense spending that Romney says he will increase. Are you against that too?

The programs I have mention creates a more productive work force and more likely higher paid people who will then be able to contribute more to the economy.

I want people to work. Not to be stuck in welfare. Why do you want people to be stuck in welfare?
 
2012-08-31 01:37:59 PM

mrshowrules: What is that 4 Terabits? Might be OK for my German stuff I suppose but I going to need a few dozen overall.


That, my friend, was the XBox HD-DVD add on. Romney probably still gets his OS updated from HD-DVD.
 
2012-08-31 01:38:07 PM

badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.


Lets look at the numbers here:

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.84 billion.[1]

Department of Education: US$56 billion ( 2010)



You are telling me 663 billion is less redistribution than 56 billion?

Romney wants to increase that 663 billion by a lot. Where is that money going to come from exactly?
 
2012-08-31 01:46:09 PM

badaboom:
I gave you one rule. Those others came to your mind on their own.

In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?


Empty platitudes. What will he even do? I think Obama is doing a pretty good job. I don't claim he is the best ever...but he trying to work with the Republican party that flat-out won't work with him on anything. My opinion is sh*t was really really bad and now it is not really really bad. Yes, of course it could be better, but I believe he is on our side. I do not trust Mitt to give one sh*t about me.


Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.


I don't believe that about fellow Americans...I just believe those seem to be the views of your parties elected officials with the laws they try to pass. I don't think 50% of Americans are that spiteful.
 
2012-08-31 01:57:41 PM

badaboom: Wicked Chinchilla: 1) Intelligent, nuanced, situation based foreign policy
2) PPACA
3) Support for higher education
4) Vastly superior record in support for the sciences
5) Intelligent deficit reduction using both tax increases and cuts (or you know, listening to the damn experts)
6) Much better record on support for green technology/new energy technology coupled with a realistic energy policy (heres a hint: theres no single answer thats adequate)
7) supports finance reform
8) Rights for the LGBT community, women's rights



1) That's a joke
2) Most Americans disagree with you.
3) Care to share details?
4) Details?
5) Funny, I thought the deficit was getting bigger. Is there some sort of parallel universe this is occurring in?
6) Hint: Solyndra.
7) Specifics?
8) Not an issue in this election with the undecideds.


1) Bin Laden, Quaddafi, new nuclear proliferation treaty, extremely effective drone program, Deposition of arab dictatorships in Morocco, Egypt, and Tunisia, end of combat actions in Iraq, actual plan to get us out of Afghanistan. The list goes on. Can't seem to find a joke

2) No. Most Americans are against the term "Obamacare". Until you actually tell them whats in the healthcare law. Then the public swings far into the support column. shiat, I don't even like PPACA myself in its present form (though I like many of its reforms) because the only real answer to effective healthcare is some kind of universal system.

3) Romney wants to end pell grants. He is against lender regulations. He is against better monitoring of predatory schools with low graduation rates. Obama on the other hand wants to keep pell grants, rehire local teachers, and has put into place numerous provisions to fight predatory lending and abusive for-profit schools

4) He expanded public funding to HHS, NIH, etc. Better university/higher education support also goes here because grad students are truly the backbone of scientific research

5) The deficit is getting bigger. It is a complex problem that requires complex longterm solutions. Like intelligent tax increases and targeted spending cuts. LIke what economic experts agree should happen. The parallel universe is one where we can cut our way out of the problem.

6) He promised to double the amount of energy produced by renewables in his first term. HE did it. Wind power has taken off. He supports research into alternative energy. At the same time he has increased oil drilling off shore and with fracking. He has a balanced approach to energy which is absolutely essential to our future success as a nation.

7) Seriously? Come ON dude

8) Apparently the GOP thinks its important enough to put women's rights and the "Evil Gays" on their platform. Romney straight up stated he will protect the family in his speech. Whether its important for independents or not, its one of the few issues Romney has actually put some form of stake into.

Now, what about you? Do you let indigestion make every decision for you or just whom you elect?
 
2012-08-31 02:00:39 PM

Corvus: badaboom: Corvus: Corvus: I have lots of reasons the main reason is because we will have a economic system that will be more fair. One that will give more opportunity to the poor and middle class to be successful if they work hard. Romney on the other hand will follow Bush policies that will make it harder for the poor and middle class while just giving tax cuts to the rich.

I'll give specific ways it will be more fair:

1) College - I believe under Obama that it will be easier for poor and middle class to go to college because those public funds will not be cut like under Romney they might.

2) Taxes - Obama want's to protect the tax cuts for the poor and middle classes. Ryan's plan would most likely raise taxes on those people. Romney has not given specifics but analysis of what he has said show he will need to get money somewhere and Romney has said he is going to remove many deductions to cut tax rates for the rich so it's assumed these deductions would come from the middle class.

3) Healthcare - Healthcare is one of the biggest burdens to the poor and middle class. Under "Obamacare" medical expenses get capped which will means much less of the middle class becoming bankrupt because of getting sick or loved one's getting sick which was the number 1 cause of bankrupts in the US. Also poor people will have subsidized healthcare coverage. Lastly many people will now be able to retire because they will be able to keep their healthcare which will open more jobs for people.


See I am happy to discuss why I support Obama because I actually understand why I support him. To me it seems if you are afraid to tell someone why you support a candidate it's probably because you don't know why you do.

Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.

It gives OPPORTUNITY for people who work hard to SUCCEED. Last I checked we called that "The AMERICAN DREAM".

You don't think people should be given an opportunity to succeed in this country ...


I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.
 
2012-08-31 02:04:03 PM

badaboom: I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.


That's the point, isn't it? The left believes that the public should have the tools so that your skill and your character is what gets you to where you end up in life. Currently in the US, the greatest predictor of adult wealth is how wealthy your parents are. That's an indication that social programs are not robust enough... unless of course you happen to think that potential is genetic.
 
2012-08-31 02:04:35 PM

busy chillin': badaboom:
I gave you one rule. Those others came to your mind on their own.

In my opinion, Romney's vision for America is the right direction to go. I believe he will do a better job. In my opinion, Obama ihas done a poor job. Those are my opinions. What are yours?

Empty platitudes. What will he even do? I think Obama is doing a pretty good job. I don't claim he is the best ever...but he trying to work with the Republican party that flat-out won't work with him on anything. My opinion is sh*t was really really bad and now it is not really really bad. Yes, of course it could be better, but I believe he is on our side. I do not trust Mitt to give one sh*t about me.


Pretty sad that you believe this about 50% of your fellow Americans.


I don't believe that about fellow Americans...I just believe those seem to be the views of your parties elected officials with the laws they try to pass. I don't think 50% of Americans are that spiteful.


Over 50% of Californians....CALIFORNIANS.....voted against Gay Marriage (Proposition 8). Given that 43% of the electorate is Dem and only 30% is Republican why do you think it passed?
 
2012-08-31 02:06:39 PM

Mercutio74: badaboom: I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.

That's the point, isn't it? The left believes that the public should have the tools so that your skill and your character is what gets you to where you end up in life. Currently in the US, the greatest predictor of adult wealth is how wealthy your parents are. That's an indication that social programs are not robust enough... unless of course you happen to think that potential is genetic.



Good points. Your last statement is unfair. Is there anyone out there saying there should not be equal education?
 
2012-08-31 02:08:05 PM

Corvus: badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.

Lets look at the numbers here:

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.84 billion.[1]

Department of Education: US$56 billion ( 2010)


You are telling me 663 billion is less redistribution than 56 billion?

Romney wants to increase that 663 billion by a lot. Where is that money going to come from exactly?


One thing we can agree on, where is the money going to come for any of this? We are broke.
 
2012-08-31 02:10:02 PM

badaboom:
Over 50% of Californians....CALIFORNIANS.....voted against Gay Marriage (Proposition 8). Given that 43% of the electorate is Dem and only 30% is Republican why do you think it passed?


I don't know why. I was surprised by that outcome.

But to me it all just seems like a distraction from real issues like the economy and jobs. If people truly love the constitution and the first amendment, limiting freedoms shouldn't even be an option. Especially when it is based on a religious belief.

But it comes down to control.
 
2012-08-31 02:17:18 PM

busy chillin': badaboom:
Over 50% of Californians....CALIFORNIANS.....voted against Gay Marriage (Proposition 8). Given that 43% of the electorate is Dem and only 30% is Republican why do you think it passed?

I don't know why. I was surprised by that outcome.

But to me it all just seems like a distraction from real issues like the economy and jobs. If people truly love the constitution and the first amendment, limiting freedoms shouldn't even be an option. Especially when it is based on a religious belief.

But it comes down to control.


Point is you can't just point the finger at Republicans if you are for gay rights. Once that curtain is closed people vote the way they do. The dirty secret is that Black voters and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

61% of Latinos voted yes.
70% of Black voters voted yes. (yes vote was against gay marriage)

Funny you NEVER see the left point the homophobe finger at Black America. Yet the evidence is there that African Americans are very homophobic. It is not just the "right".
 
2012-08-31 02:21:08 PM

badaboom: Mercutio74: badaboom: I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.

That's the point, isn't it? The left believes that the public should have the tools so that your skill and your character is what gets you to where you end up in life. Currently in the US, the greatest predictor of adult wealth is how wealthy your parents are. That's an indication that social programs are not robust enough... unless of course you happen to think that potential is genetic.


Good points. Your last statement is unfair. Is there anyone out there saying there should not be equal education?


Yes. Republicans are absolutely against Pell Grants and other financial assistance. These are things that help the poor and middle class get an equal shot at a higher education.
 
2012-08-31 02:23:57 PM

badaboom:

Point is you can't just point the finger at Republicans if you are for gay rights. Once that curtain is closed people vote the way they do. The dirty secret is that Black voters and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

61% of Latinos voted yes.
70% of Black voters voted yes. (yes vote was against gay marriage)

Funny you NEVER see the left point the homophobe finger at Black America. Yet the evidence is there that African Americans are very homophobic. It is not just the "right".


Valid point. But show me a democrat elected official pushing to limit peoples rights. The citizens can believe what they want...it is the elected officials I have a problem with.
 
2012-08-31 02:25:26 PM
and if there is a democrat pushing it, I also have a problem with him/her.
 
2012-08-31 02:28:32 PM

busy chillin': badaboom:

Point is you can't just point the finger at Republicans if you are for gay rights. Once that curtain is closed people vote the way they do. The dirty secret is that Black voters and Hispanics voted overwhelmingly against gay marriage.

61% of Latinos voted yes.
70% of Black voters voted yes. (yes vote was against gay marriage)

Funny you NEVER see the left point the homophobe finger at Black America. Yet the evidence is there that African Americans are very homophobic. It is not just the "right".

Valid point. But show me a democrat elected official pushing to limit peoples rights. The citizens can believe what they want...it is the elected officials I have a problem with.


In the near future this will not even be an issue and we will be embarrassed it even was. I agree the right has a long way to go. But the bottom line is that religious folk, both on the left AND the right are going to be the most resistant. You have black priests who are very against gay marriage. But by the same token not all Republicans are homophobic or anti-gay marriage. And it is not that hard to change. In 2008 I voted for proposition 8. When it comes around again I will vote the opposite way. Change of heart. It can happen.
 
2012-08-31 02:29:41 PM

Wicked Chinchilla: badaboom: Mercutio74: badaboom: I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.

That's the point, isn't it? The left believes that the public should have the tools so that your skill and your character is what gets you to where you end up in life. Currently in the US, the greatest predictor of adult wealth is how wealthy your parents are. That's an indication that social programs are not robust enough... unless of course you happen to think that potential is genetic.


Good points. Your last statement is unfair. Is there anyone out there saying there should not be equal education?

Yes. Republicans are absolutely against Pell Grants and other financial assistance. These are things that help the poor and middle class get an equal shot at a higher education.


You can be against those things for reasons other than screw everyone else.
 
2012-08-31 02:30:22 PM

badaboom: I 100% believe that everyone should be guaranteed the same opportunity. Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome. That being said, I would love for everyone to have the same outcome, call it what you want wealth, happiness. The left often unfairly thinks that the right loves it when people fail. We love it when people are poor. Fark everyone else. That's just not the case. But guess what, the world needs ditch diggers. Not everyone can be a doctor or a lawyer.


I never said that. You are putting words in my mouth. I said People should get the opportunity to succeeded if they work hard.


So why are you against giving people the tools so that if they work hard they can succeed? That's all I am asking. You attacked it as "Redistribution".
 
2012-08-31 02:34:34 PM

badaboom: Just don't agree that everyone should be guaranteed the same outcome.


I didn't say that. Obama hasn't said that. No Democrat I have ever heard has ever said that. You are making a position for people that they don't actually have. What we want to do is give people an opportunity to succeed if they work hard.

Access to additional education for the poor is a great way to do this. Believe it or not. I want people off of welfare but I think you do that by giving them other opportunities not just cutting the money off.
 
2012-08-31 02:36:10 PM
But it's the GOP/Right Wing that brings out these very discriminatory propositions and positions like Prop 8 and transvaginal insertions and no-abortions under any circumstances.

They KNOW that no-abortion under any circumstances is a distasteful position to take, and when one of theirs (Akin) pointed out how it's not relevant in case of rape, they shot him down, but they haven't changed their position on it.

They're against same-sex marriage, and have written laws to that effect. Individuals may or may not be against same-sex marriage, and people can enjoy the debates among themselves. But for a major political party to write into their platform a view that is antithetical to the constitution and, more importantly, human kindness and humanity itself, that's an indication that they've gone off the deep end.

Seriously, I would imagine such platform from the fringe American Independent Party or some sort.
 
2012-08-31 02:37:05 PM

badaboom:

In the near future this will not even be an issue and we will be embarrassed it even was. I agree the right has a long way to go. But the bottom line is that religious folk, both on the left AND the right are going to be the most resistant. You have black priests who are very against gay marriage. But by the same token not all Republicans are homophobic or anti-gay marriage. And it is not that hard to change. In 2008 I voted for proposition 8. When it comes around again I will vote the opposite way. Change of heart. It can happen.



whoa! Nice.
 
2012-08-31 02:37:25 PM

badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.

Lets look at the numbers here:

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.84 billion.[1]

Department of Education: US$56 billion ( 2010)


You are telling me 663 billion is less redistribution than 56 billion?

Romney wants to increase that 663 billion by a lot. Where is that money going to come from exactly?

One thing we can agree on, where is the money going to come for any of this? We are broke.


Well then why do you support the guy who wants to increase defense spending which is half the US discretionary budget? He is talking about more spending then Obama is and he wants to cut taxes even more. Romney would add more to the deficit than Obama would.

All these other programs together which you called "redistribution" are much much smaller than the Defense budget which Romney believe should be increased by a lot.
 
2012-08-31 02:38:00 PM

busy chillin': badaboom:

In the near future this will not even be an issue and we will be embarrassed it even was. I agree the right has a long way to go. But the bottom line is that religious folk, both on the left AND the right are going to be the most resistant. You have black priests who are very against gay marriage. But by the same token not all Republicans are homophobic or anti-gay marriage. And it is not that hard to change. In 2008 I voted for proposition 8. When it comes around again I will vote the opposite way. Change of heart. It can happen.


whoa! Nice.


/true
//csb
 
2012-08-31 02:41:00 PM

Corvus: badaboom: Corvus: badaboom: Why did you waste all those keystrokes when all you need to type was REDISTRIBUTION.

Lets look at the numbers here:

For the 2010 fiscal year, the president's base budget of the Department of spending on "overseas contingency operations" brings the sum to $663.84 billion.[1]

Department of Education: US$56 billion ( 2010)


You are telling me 663 billion is less redistribution than 56 billion?

Romney wants to increase that 663 billion by a lot. Where is that money going to come from exactly?

One thing we can agree on, where is the money going to come for any of this? We are broke.

Well then why do you support the guy who wants to increase defense spending which is half the US discretionary budget? He is talking about more spending then Obama is and he wants to cut taxes even more. Romney would add more to the deficit than Obama would.

All these other programs together which you called "redistribution" are much much smaller than the Defense budget which Romney believe should be increased by a lot.


Wish it was that simple to take money from Defense and put it toward education. Would be great if we did not have to spend a dime on war. Too bad everyone else is spending. In my opinion, defense is one the primary responsibilities of the federal government. Nation building? Maybe not. But Education is best left to local and State.
 
2012-08-31 02:48:59 PM

badaboom: But Education is best left to local and State.


Problem is, our society is more connected than ever before. This statement made perfect sense way back in the day when there were no common curricula and students rarely left their local area.

Nowadays, there's a vested national interest in general education.
 
2012-08-31 02:52:29 PM

sprawl15: badaboom: But Education is best left to local and State.

Problem is, our society is more connected than ever before. This statement made perfect sense way back in the day when there were no common curricula and students rarely left their local area.

Nowadays, there's a vested national interest in general education.


There may be common goals, but from an efficiency standpoint, sending dollars to DC for this is often a waste. Plus you get things like no child left behind. Plus what works in Texas may not work in Oregon.
 
2012-08-31 02:59:48 PM
What none of you realize is that badaboom is simply Cleverbot in conservative emulation mode
 
2012-08-31 03:02:26 PM

badaboom: There may be common goals, but from an efficiency standpoint, sending dollars to DC for this is often a waste


On the contrary - one of the biggest problems with education is that the majority of funding is local, usually through property taxes. This damns students for the sins of their parents.

The solution often thrown out is vouchers, but that's utterly ridiculous - you're paying for a shiatty school in a shiatty neighborhood, then paying more money to send kids from that district to a different, private school.

badaboom: Plus you get things like no child left behind.


You get good things and bad things from Congress. NCLB being an abortion doesn't make the concept of Federal education funding moot.

badaboom: Plus what works in Texas may not work in Oregon.


That's the whole point - this simply isn't true any more. People aren't beholden to a single location for the majority of their life. What works best for Texas doesn't matter anywhere near as much as what works for the average American, because of the sheer amount of mixing among states, both literally and in terms of information sharing.

Fifty years ago, sending a message to a friend of mine across the country would have taken weeks. Now, I can do it on my phone while I'm taking a shiat. That has a huge impact on the way our society should be approaching problems.
 
2012-08-31 03:07:25 PM

sprawl15: badaboom: There may be common goals, but from an efficiency standpoint, sending dollars to DC for this is often a waste

On the contrary - one of the biggest problems with education is that the majority of funding is local, usually through property taxes. This damns students for the sins of their parents.

The solution often thrown out is vouchers, but that's utterly ridiculous - you're paying for a shiatty school in a shiatty neighborhood, then paying more money to send kids from that district to a different, private school.

badaboom: Plus you get things like no child left behind.

You get good things and bad things from Congress. NCLB being an abortion doesn't make the concept of Federal education funding moot.

badaboom: Plus what works in Texas may not work in Oregon.

That's the whole point - this simply isn't true any more. People aren't beholden to a single location for the majority of their life. What works best for Texas doesn't matter anywhere near as much as what works for the average American, because of the sheer amount of mixing among states, both literally and in terms of information sharing.

Fifty years ago, sending a message to a friend of mine across the country would have taken weeks. Now, I can do it on my phone while I'm taking a shiat. That has a huge impact on the way our society should be approaching problems.


People in Texas have different values than those in Oregon. Really want to start talking about what gets taught about evolution on a national level?
 
2012-08-31 03:08:08 PM

Harold_of_the_Rocks: What none of you realize is that badaboom is simply Cleverbot in conservative emulation mode


Sorry, don't know what that means.
 
2012-08-31 03:14:30 PM

badaboom: Really want to start talking about what gets taught about evolution on a national level?


Not particularly, any more than I want to talk about the dangers of devil wagons replacing our beloved horse drawn carriages.

badaboom: People in Texas have different values than those in Oregon.


What does that matter? Why are public schools the place to impose a morality?

If you require indoctrination to fit in to your local economy, your local economy needs a swift boot to the head.
 
2012-08-31 03:17:37 PM

sprawl15: badaboom: Really want to start talking about what gets taught about evolution on a national level?

Not particularly, any more than I want to talk about the dangers of devil wagons replacing our beloved horse drawn carriages.

badaboom: People in Texas have different values than those in Oregon.

What does that matter? Why are public schools the place to impose a morality?

If you require indoctrination to fit in to your local economy, your local economy needs a swift boot to the head.


Except for math and science, all education is value based. The books picked in English? Value based. What to emphasize in history? Value based. Hard to separate the 2. Utah is way different than Massachusetts.
 
2012-08-31 03:27:31 PM

badaboom: Except for math and science, all education is value based. The books picked in English? Value based. What to emphasize in history? Value based. Hard to separate the 2. Utah is way different than Massachusetts.


Assuming we take your argument at face value and assume those are value based, how would the values in Utah make learning about certain historical events less important than in Massachusetts?
 
2012-08-31 03:39:53 PM
Who got sick, stayed home from their special needs school, and dusted off their 7 year old sopranos referencing alt for this lame all-day derpfest?
 
2012-08-31 03:42:03 PM

Farker Soze: Who got sick, stayed home from their special needs school, and dusted off their 7 year old sopranos referencing alt for this lame all-day derpfest?


Can I use that one? Awesome.
 
2012-08-31 03:46:56 PM
Have at it, Corky.
 
2012-08-31 03:50:39 PM

Farker Soze: Have at it, Corky.


Wow, a joke about Down's syndrome. How sensitive of you. Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools. But you go on with your superior self.
 
2012-08-31 03:57:02 PM
Sure, I'll do that, Arnie.
 
2012-08-31 03:58:56 PM

badaboom: Farker Soze: Have at it, Corky.

Wow, a joke about Down's syndrome. How sensitive of you. Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools. But you go on with your superior self.


That brother is you, isn't it.
 
2012-08-31 04:00:31 PM

badaboom: Wish it was that simple to take money from Defense and put it toward education. Would be great if we did not have to spend a dime on war. Too bad everyone else is spending.


The US currently outspends the next ten countries combined on defense. You're saying we can't take half ow what we spend on defense and still be OK?
 
2012-08-31 04:01:41 PM

badaboom: Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools.


Are they tailoring what kinds of crayons he's allowed to eat based on what state you happen to live in?
 
2012-08-31 04:04:04 PM

sprawl15: badaboom: Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools.

Are they tailoring what kinds of crayons he's allowed to eat based on what state you happen to live in?

Farker Soze: Sure, I'll do that, Arnie.


Bet you love a good racist joke too. Must be the life of the party.
 
2012-08-31 04:10:51 PM
Another far left kook heard from.

webpages.charter.net
 
2012-08-31 04:25:37 PM

badaboom: sprawl15: badaboom: Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools.

Are they tailoring what kinds of crayons he's allowed to eat based on what state you happen to live in?Farker Soze: Sure, I'll do that, Arnie.

Bet you love a good racist joke too. Must be the life of the party.


Oh, I got one, Lennie! A black presidential candidate and a white presidential candidate walk into a bar. The black candidate tries to order a drink, but the white candidate says no, you can't do that, if you want something done right you have to have a Real American do it. Hahahah, that silly negro, thinking he can do things! LOL
 
2012-08-31 04:37:03 PM
badaboom:

Wait, you want to be taken seriously?

Go back to ranting about evolution and how people from Utah need to learn a different history than people from Texas.
 
2012-08-31 04:40:48 PM

badaboom: cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Yeah, that's it. You got me. Now tell me why you are voting for Obama.

1) PPACA
2) bin Laden
3) he plans to cut the deficit by using a sane strategy of raising taxes on the wealthy and cutting fraud and waste out of government.

See, when your candidate actually has a record worth noting and has articulated a plan for the future, it's very easy to answer that question.


Funny, cause 1 and 3 are actually the reasons why I am voting against him. And 2, well that's not a reason to elect someone is it? You do realize a Republican would have done the same exact thing. At least we can agree bin Laden being dead is a good thing. But hard to reconcile the whole drone, gitmo still open etc with the hard left. Which Obama is it? The Nobel Peace prize Obama or the America Fark, Yeah. Can't be both.


Both John McCain and Mitt Romney explicitly said in 2008 that they would not authorize a mission to get Bin Laden if he were found in Pakistan.
 
2012-08-31 04:59:30 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom: sprawl15: badaboom: Would be pretty embarrassing if you knew I had brother with Down's who attends one of those special needs schools.

Are they tailoring what kinds of crayons he's allowed to eat based on what state you happen to live in?Farker Soze: Sure, I'll do that, Arnie.

Bet you love a good racist joke too. Must be the life of the party.

Oh, I got one, Lennie! A black REPUBLICAN presidential candidate and a white DEMOCRATIC presidential candidate walk into a bar. The black candidate tries to order a drink, but the white candidate says no, you can't do that, if you want something done right you have to have a Real American do it. Hahahah, that silly negro, thinking he can do things! LOL



You need to be more specific to get the necessary chuckles. You left this up to interpretation. See, the Democrat is the racist in the above joke. Probably would not be funny at your dinner parties. Remember to be more specific.
 
2012-08-31 05:06:08 PM
You're being obtuse, Benny. Everyone knows that there will never be a black Republican nominee. The racist base won't have it. There is only so much suspension of disbelief you can throw into a joke without squashing the funny.
 
2012-08-31 05:08:41 PM

Farker Soze: You're being obtuse, Benny. Everyone knows that there will never be a black Republican nominee. The racist base won't have it. There is only so much suspension of disbelief you can throw into a joke without squashing the funny.


There all a bunch of Uncle Toms anyway right? Gullible tokens. You are right, how silly.
 
2012-08-31 05:18:31 PM

badaboom: You are right, how silly.


Damn right I am, Simple Jack. At least you're throttling back the retard.
 
2012-08-31 05:26:46 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Wish it was that simple to take money from Defense and put it toward education. Would be great if we did not have to spend a dime on war. Too bad everyone else is spending.

The US currently outspends the next ten countries combined on defense. You're saying we can't take half ow what we spend on defense and still be OK?


Short answer: no we can't. Long answer...

It's extremely complicated. The first question is whether or not we change our global philosophy. Now, I'm a confessed (yet unapologetic) imperialist; I've said as much upthread, so my -personal- belief is that we can't afford to do that. Let's set that aside, however, and say that is a valid option. When we are no longer in the business of projecting global power and keeping sure the dollar is king (yes, keeping the dollar as the de facto global currency is as much a military matter as it is an economic one), then yes, we can start downscaling our military to a quarter of what it is.. maybe even less. The tradeoff becomes that we have a lot less leeway economically in maintaining our status as a global leader. I'm not saying it couldn't be done or that we'd become Canada overnight (no offense, Canada), but if not for the effects of our global power projection, the debt ceiling fiasco would've -destroyed- our country as we know it.

The second issue doesn't involve reducing the scale of our force, but rather its -cost-. This is something I would LOVE to see addressed but frankly I see as even less likely than changing global philosophy. I'm not even talking about human resources either.. hell, if anything we're getting soldiers at a damned -bargain-. Let's use a simplistic example: the good ol' Tomahawk missile - roughly a cool mil a pop. I want you to think for a moment -why- that missile costs $1 million each. Think about materials, manufacturing, etc., everything that goes into making one and why it adds up to a million. THAT is the issue here. Unfortunately, the bulk of the problem there lies in a self-serving Congress (all of it, this isn't a partisan issue at all) and really only one that can be self-corrected. In other words, as long as selfish assholes populate Congress, and as long as constituents that can't see he big picture keep voting them in, this will never change. Eisenhower was a damned prophet.

/I think I got a little rant-y there
 
2012-08-31 05:38:49 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom: You are right, how silly.

Damn right I am, Simple Jack. At least you're throttling back the retard.


Shame you don't realize that "retard" is as offensive as "ni**er". Probably a problem with your upbringing so I won't blame you.
 
2012-08-31 05:40:09 PM

cameroncrazy1984: badaboom: Wish it was that simple to take money from Defense and put it toward education. Would be great if we did not have to spend a dime on war. Too bad everyone else is spending.

The US currently outspends the next ten countries combined on defense. You're saying we can't take half ow what we spend on defense and still be OK?


No! Why, if we cut defense spending in half, do you know who would have the second largest Air Force in the world?

Oh. The US Navy.
 
2012-08-31 05:45:19 PM
Oh, boo hoo, I'm sorry I offended your delicate PC sensibilities, Karl.
 
2012-08-31 05:47:43 PM

Farker Soze: Oh, boo hoo, I'm sorry I offended your delicate PC sensibilities, Karl.


So you don't find the word retard to be offensive? How embarrassing.
 
2012-08-31 05:50:43 PM
Not as embarrassing as not being able to list one single policy reason why you like Romney, Radio.
 
2012-08-31 05:57:18 PM

Farker Soze: Not as embarrassing as not being able to list one single policy reason why you like Romney, Radio.


But you already know why I like him.
 
2012-08-31 06:05:47 PM

badaboom: Farker Soze: Not as embarrassing as not being able to list one single policy reason why you like Romney, Radio.

But you already know why I like him.


Yes, we know, generally: because you're retarded. But specifics, Raymond, specifics!
 
2012-08-31 06:14:23 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom: Farker Soze: Not as embarrassing as not being able to list one single policy reason why you like Romney, Radio.

But you already know why I like him.

Yes, we know, generally: because you're retarded. But specifics, Raymond, specifics!


You are getting there. There can only be a few reasons why someone would like Romney over Obama. Besides the intellectual deficiency you mention the only other reasons can be racism, homophobia, and a hatred for woman, right? Rank them in whatever order you wish.
 
2012-08-31 06:17:29 PM
Fark had MUCH better trolls last election cycle. They weren't as good as the trolls leading up to '04 and the '06 midterms, but that was an era of legendary trolling when they were at the top of their game. This election has been so weak on the troll front I actually miss Farkers like Czar and Snowflake, and the rest of the Legion of Derp. Hell, even a visit from Afternoon would be refreshing at this point.
 
2012-08-31 06:22:28 PM

badaboom: Rank them in whatever order you wish.


Damn, that's a hard task, Forrest. It varies and seems to change so often. For this month I'm going to go with hatred for women, then homophobia, then racism. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
2012-08-31 06:27:03 PM

pinchpoint: Fark had MUCH better trolls last election cycle. They weren't as good as the trolls leading up to '04 and the '06 midterms, but that was an era of legendary trolling when they were at the top of their game. This election has been so weak on the troll front I actually miss Farkers like Czar and Snowflake, and the rest of the Legion of Derp. Hell, even a visit from Afternoon would be refreshing at this point.


Ah, yes, McCain Democrat, the internet dentist, gary and winterwhile were in their prime... those were truly the golden days.
 
2012-08-31 06:28:53 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom: Rank them in whatever order you wish.

Damn, that's a hard task, Forrest. It varies and seems to change so often. For this month I'm going to go with hatred for women, then homophobia, then racism. Thanks for clearing that up.


Wouldn't want to disturb your myopic view of the world.
 
2012-08-31 06:33:07 PM

The Bestest: It's extremely complicated. The first question is whether or not we change our global philosophy. Now, I'm a confessed (yet unapologetic) imperialist; I've said as much upthread, so my -personal- belief is that we can't afford to do that. Let's set that aside, however, and say that is a valid option. When we are no longer in the business of projecting global power and keeping sure the dollar is king (yes, keeping the dollar as the de facto global currency is as much a military matter as it is an economic one), then yes, we can start downscaling our military to a quarter of what it is.. maybe even less. The tradeoff becomes that we have a lot less leeway economically in maintaining our status as a global leader. I'm not saying it couldn't be done or that we'd become Canada overnight (no offense, Canada), but if not for the effects of our global power projection, the debt ceiling fiasco would've -destroyed- our country as we know it.


You don't understand that we could cut our military spending half and still accomplish those goals. There is literally zero need for us to spend several orders of magnitude more than the next TEN countries combined. We can still be imperialists with half the military spending.
 
2012-08-31 06:36:46 PM

badaboom: Farker Soze: badaboom: Rank them in whatever order you wish.

Damn, that's a hard task, Forrest. It varies and seems to change so often. For this month I'm going to go with hatred for women, then homophobia, then racism. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wouldn't want to disturb your myopic view of the world.


No? You disagree, Warren? Is it hatred of women, racism, and then homophobia?
 
2012-08-31 06:41:20 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom: Farker Soze: badaboom: Rank them in whatever order you wish.

Damn, that's a hard task, Forrest. It varies and seems to change so often. For this month I'm going to go with hatred for women, then homophobia, then racism. Thanks for clearing that up.

Wouldn't want to disturb your myopic view of the world.

No? You disagree, Warren? Is it hatred of women, racism, and then homophobia?


I am just happy to confirm your beliefs. My good deed for the day.
 
2012-08-31 06:51:21 PM

badaboom: My good deed for the day.


careful there, you're going to get your Objectivism card confiscated, Sloth.
 
2012-08-31 07:04:30 PM

cameroncrazy1984: You don't understand that we could cut our military spending half and still accomplish those goals. There is literally zero need for us to spend several orders of magnitude more than the next TEN countries combined. We can still be imperialists with half the military spending.


Depends on what you mean. If you're saying we can maintain our level of projection while severely downscaling, I disagree. I currently think that while the scope of our military is large enough to achieve our global goals, it's only barely so with little wiggle room. A "surprise war" would severely strain us. I'm loathe to call Bin Laden an evil genius, but he definitely had an end game beyond killing a few thousand people, and he unfortunately largely succeeded due to the predictability of our response.

Now, if you're saying we should maintain our scope but "spend smarter, not spend more" I agree, but as I said, the difficulty therein relies on getting 500+ suits and ties on the same page and having a much, MUCH more streamlined procurement process.
 
2012-08-31 07:05:37 PM

Farker Soze: badaboom


get a room
 
2012-08-31 07:19:29 PM

The Bestest: Farker Soze: badaboom

get a room


Hey, I'm providing a valuable community service. If we can contain the derp to this played out thread, everyone wins.
 
2012-08-31 07:56:37 PM

The Bestest: Depends on what you mean. If you're saying we can maintain our level of projection while severely downscaling, I disagree. I currently think that while the scope of our military is large enough to achieve our global goals, it's only barely so with little wiggle room. A "surprise war" would severely strain us


Based on what evidence?
 
2012-08-31 08:54:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Based on what evidence?


Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.. the multiple deployments. We were.. still are really, severely stretched in terms of both manpower and logistics. Now, I suppose you could make an argument about us spending on the "wrong" things (in terms of hardware) militarily, but again, that's primarily a Congressional issue.
 
2012-08-31 11:12:26 PM

badaboom: Wish it was that simple to take money from Defense and put it toward education. Would be great if we did not have to spend a dime on war. Too bad everyone else is spending. In my opinion, defense is one the primary responsibilities of the federal government. Nation building? Maybe not. But Education is best left to local and State.


Except that we're spending more than the next 20 nations (or more) combined. And you know, just know that there's lots of boondoggles and unaccounted for money in the DoD budget. Sure, you might get a group of teachers partying up in Las Vegas after a convention or something, but those behaviors pales by several orders of magnitude to the excess and spending that goes on with DoD procurement. The MIC also has a habit of making things wrong. That's because most of their bids are cost-plus, meaning they only profit on the plus part. So, in order to gain more profit, they make sure their cost is as high as possible by adding a lot of bells and whistle. Then, they make sure that none or few of those things work on first pass. That then requires second pass, multiple testing and so on, all of which just drains the money away.

Eisenhower was right in that we should have been careful with the military-industrial complex. We ignored that warning and that's how we have a $1T "national security" black hole.

Lastly, you mentioned that "defense" is a primary role of the US Government, which is correct, as it's in the constitution. But how we conduct this defense is not detailed in the constitution. I say having an educated workforce, having valuable and valued citizens creating goods and services and generating wealth is a great defense to the country. No country would want to attack a country that is lifting all other countries with innovative technology or leading-edge arts, science, business methodology, legal scholarship and the like.

And frankly, traditional "people-killing-people" wars are over. No one does them anymore except for a few regional skirmishes (like currently in Syria and other similar places). One nation boldly attacking another? I think we've shown the world the futility of doing so with the Iraq II/Afghanistan double-bill matinee show. It's impossible now for a country, even one as large as China, to take over and administer another country by force. It's so much easier, cheaper and politically safer to use legal contracts and quasi-legal espionage to accomplish the same goals.
 
2012-08-31 11:15:54 PM

badaboom: sprawl15: badaboom: But Education is best left to local and State.

Problem is, our society is more connected than ever before. This statement made perfect sense way back in the day when there were no common curricula and students rarely left their local area.

Nowadays, there's a vested national interest in general education.

There may be common goals, but from an efficiency standpoint, sending dollars to DC for this is often a waste. Plus you get things like no child left behind. Plus what works in Texas may not work in Oregon.


But you need a national standard to some degree so that when a family moves from Texas to Oregon, there would be some expectation of what will be covered and what were required to take on the grade that a student is placed into. If Texas does nothing but teach creationism garbage and the person goes to Oregon and have no concept of an earth that's more than 7000 years old, that kid is going to be left behind.
 
2012-08-31 11:57:11 PM

The Bestest: cameroncrazy1984: Based on what evidence?

Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.. the multiple deployments. We were.. still are really, severely stretched in terms of both manpower and logistics. Now, I suppose you could make an argument about us spending on the "wrong" things (in terms of hardware) militarily, but again, that's primarily a Congressional issue.


Correct. It's not a monetary issue as you have been implying. If we were to put the emphasis on effectiveness rather than expense, we could spend a hell of a lot less money and be no less safe and no less imperial than we are now.
 
2012-09-01 12:57:16 AM

DeaH: FTA: "the emergence of Ann Romney as a beloved national figure"

This is from TMP? Who thinks of this woman as America's sweetheart? That is setting a low bar for the meanings of both "national figure" and "beloved."


She owns a dancing horse. What's not to love?
 
2012-09-01 01:07:12 AM

badaboom: Oh and Fartbama had the Senate AND the House and couldn't get anything done.




Sigh
 
2012-09-01 01:26:12 PM
badaboom: COME ON OBAMA!! Run on your record. Please?

i.imgur.com

Yeah?
 
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