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2012-08-31 09:28:34 AM
Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy, it would be pretty surprising to see anyone from the previous administration chastise his efforts. There have been some subtle improvements and some not-so-subtle improvements, particularly in our dealings with Europe and our deference to the UN on matters of international security.

You know the Republicans are in trouble when their message seems to be that simultaneously we are weaker in the world while also being too aggressive in our pursuit of terrorists. They want foreign policy off the table because they don't have a good grasp of what their plank needs to be.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:08 AM
At Liar-palooza '12, did they give a video tribute to Osama bin Laden? They seem to love him so much.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:30 AM

beta_plus: ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family


I'm so sorry your BFF bin Laden is dead. You worthless piece of terrorist loving shiat.
 
2012-08-31 09:30:08 AM

Mugato: spcMike: He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did

Vader didn't find Solo, Fett did.


Yeah, but are YOU gonna tell Vader he "didn't build that"?

// Vader's clearly a Republican
// also, Breckin Meyer's "Boba Fett and Han Solo in Carbonite" from Robot Chicken is amazing
 
2012-08-31 09:31:10 AM

Rocket To Russia: At Liar-palooza '12, did they give a video tribute to Osama bin Laden? They seem to love him so much.


At least they didn't have a massive circlejerk to videos of the twin towers being destroyed like they did last time around.
 
2012-08-31 09:37:53 AM
Why didn't she mention the whole thing about Obama telling the Russians: "We'll get this done when I get re-elected, just be cool for now, baby. B to the Bama is looking out for ya..."
 
2012-08-31 09:39:10 AM

Voiceofreason01: FTFA: "the Republicans charted a course of denial and obstruction from the day Mr. Obama was inaugurated, determined to deny him a second term by denying him any achievement, no matter the cost to the economy or American security"


/Not only does Condi have the nerve to be both black and a woman but now she insists on being honest, contrary to the party line, she must not care if she ever gets to run for President.


crow202.org
 
2012-08-31 09:39:40 AM

spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.


I've wondered the same thing for years. The best explanation was that just mentioning his name scared the bejeezus out of Han Solo, so before people even saw him do his thing there was this expectation of badassery from him. We just happened to see Boba Fett on a bad day.
 
2012-08-31 09:40:50 AM

Tickle Mittens: spcMike: I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

Boba Fett is established by Vader. He gets a specific verbal warning, as compared to an "I'm disappointed" force choking. After that, he sasses Vader; "He's no good to me dead."

/He also outmanuvers Han when he anticipates him hiding in the garbage dump, following him to Bespin, allowing Vader to cut him off.


However, among the Bounty Hunters in the employ of the Empire, none is as cool as IG-88. Who had his consciousness implanted into the Death Star's control computer, unbeknownst to anyone but him. Had it not been destroyed, he had planned to use it to conquer the galaxy. I think step 1 was to blow up Corescent during the inevitable "We Totally Kicked Some Rebel Ass" parades.
 
2012-08-31 09:41:06 AM
Shaggy_C Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy,



.....except with a much higher body count.
 
2012-08-31 09:42:33 AM

craigdamage: Shaggy_C Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy,



.....except with a much higher body count.


LOL wut?
 
2012-08-31 09:45:08 AM

craigdamage: Shaggy_C Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy,



.....except with a much higher body count.


Exactly how so? Please show how you came to this conclusion.
 
2012-08-31 09:45:47 AM

craigdamage: .....except with a much higher body count.


Is this a joke?
 
2012-08-31 09:45:51 AM

ramblinwreck: beta_plus: His greatest foreign policy triumph:

[pub.mathaba.net image 420x263]

Of course, that's only after his ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the sovereign territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered using torture.

Wait a minute, Osama Bin Laden is now getting sympathy from folks? Fark that. I'm pretty left of center, but this is one instance where I don't give a fark. OBL could have been killed holding an olive branch, white doves, and a box full of puppies and kitties in view of a bus of nuns and the Vienna Boy's Choir and I wouldn't be defending him. Sorry, I think you're pretty much alone with a fringe group on that.


It's the new GOP narrative. OBL was an OK guy, never hurt anybody. We should have nabbed him and plied him with McDonalds and kittens. Basically like this book from the 1950s:

Link

But instead of Hans the cute German kid, you would have Osama, the naive Saudi who would be smitten with a yummy cheeseburger and a shake.

It's amazing how the GOP tries to turn something good on it's head when they don't get their way. Bush couldn't get OBL, Ronnie Raygun couldn't get Qaddafi.
 
2012-08-31 09:50:43 AM

trotsky: ramblinwreck: beta_plus: His greatest foreign policy triumph:

[pub.mathaba.net image 420x263]

Of course, that's only after his ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the sovereign territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered using torture.

Wait a minute, Osama Bin Laden is now getting sympathy from folks? Fark that. I'm pretty left of center, but this is one instance where I don't give a fark. OBL could have been killed holding an olive branch, white doves, and a box full of puppies and kitties in view of a bus of nuns and the Vienna Boy's Choir and I wouldn't be defending him. Sorry, I think you're pretty much alone with a fringe group on that.

It's the new GOP narrative. OBL was an OK guy, never hurt anybody. We should have nabbed him and plied him with McDonalds and kittens. Basically like this book from the 1950s:

Link

But instead of Hans the cute German kid, you would have Osama, the naive Saudi who would be smitten with a yummy cheeseburger and a shake.

It's amazing how the GOP tries to turn something good on it's head when they don't get their way. Bush couldn't get OBL, Ronnie Raygun couldn't get Qaddafi.


And then Obama got both.

(Because he's the farking man, that's why.)
 
2012-08-31 09:51:03 AM

Eleke: spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.

I've wondered the same thing for years. The best explanation was that just mentioning his name scared the bejeezus out of Han Solo, so before people even saw him do his thing there was this expectation of badassery from him. We just happened to see Boba Fett on a bad day.


I think most people like Boba Fett because, in his first real introduction, he was admonished for extreme measures by none other than Darth Vader himself.
 
2012-08-31 09:52:31 AM

qorkfiend: Eleke: spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.

I've wondered the same thing for years. The best explanation was that just mentioning his name scared the bejeezus out of Han Solo, so before people even saw him do his thing there was this expectation of badassery from him. We just happened to see Boba Fett on a bad day.

I think most people like Boba Fett because, in his first real introduction, he was admonished for extreme measures by none other than Darth Vader himself.


Yet they continue to like him even though he was bested by a hole in the ground.
 
2012-08-31 09:55:18 AM

sprawl15: if only i post one more refutation than this troll will surely see the light and stop throwing shiatposts onto the thread


But, there's somebody wrong on the internet!

And they're doing it deliberately!

In order to get people to respond!

How the hell are people supposed to resist that?
 
2012-08-31 09:56:09 AM

Epoch_Zero: trotsky: ramblinwreck: beta_plus: His greatest foreign policy triumph:

[pub.mathaba.net image 420x263]

Of course, that's only after his ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the sovereign territory of a country that never attacked us using intelligence gathered using torture.

Wait a minute, Osama Bin Laden is now getting sympathy from folks? Fark that. I'm pretty left of center, but this is one instance where I don't give a fark. OBL could have been killed holding an olive branch, white doves, and a box full of puppies and kitties in view of a bus of nuns and the Vienna Boy's Choir and I wouldn't be defending him. Sorry, I think you're pretty much alone with a fringe group on that.

It's the new GOP narrative. OBL was an OK guy, never hurt anybody. We should have nabbed him and plied him with McDonalds and kittens. Basically like this book from the 1950s:

Link

But instead of Hans the cute German kid, you would have Osama, the naive Saudi who would be smitten with a yummy cheeseburger and a shake.

It's amazing how the GOP tries to turn something good on it's head when they don't get their way. Bush couldn't get OBL, Ronnie Raygun couldn't get Qaddafi.

And then Obama got both.

(Because he's the farking man, that's why.)


If you actually go and read the DoD and the Special Operations Command version of things, they were impressed with how Obama made the calls. In fact, and this is the best damn thing, one of the Admirals (might have been McRaven) said that this could have very well turned into Obama's Iran Hostage Raid had it failed.

But it didn't. The execution by the SEALs and the go order given by the President all worked in synch. And I bet the micromanagement was absent as well. Obama leads from behind; he's certainly not an empyty-farking-chair. He's just more subtle about it than the dick swingers like Cheney and Bush W.
 
2012-08-31 09:58:55 AM

spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.


Boba Fett survived the Sarlac.
 
2012-08-31 09:59:56 AM

Epoch_Zero: craigdamage: Shaggy_C Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy,



.....except with a much higher body count.

Exactly how so? Please show how you came to this conclusion.


OK, so all the deaths due to the arab spring or various other movements in the middle east over the past couple years are Obama's fault for not delivering US-style democracy to those countries. All those deaths combined are more than all the deaths of US servicemen in Iraq and Afghanistan.

See? Simple.

No holes in that logic, whatsoever!
 
2012-08-31 10:01:10 AM

theknuckler_33: beta_plus: his ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the sovereign territory of a country that never attacked us

It's cute how you don't mention the name of that 'unarmed man'. I'll be sure to remember that you wish OBL was still alive.


Or that the photo is unrelated to the article that he links to. In fact, there's no information at all on the source of the photo.
 
2012-08-31 10:01:31 AM

Epoch_Zero: qorkfiend: Eleke: spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.

I've wondered the same thing for years. The best explanation was that just mentioning his name scared the bejeezus out of Han Solo, so before people even saw him do his thing there was this expectation of badassery from him. We just happened to see Boba Fett on a bad day.

I think most people like Boba Fett because, in his first real introduction, he was admonished for extreme measures by none other than Darth Vader himself.

Yet they continue to like him even though he was bested by a hole in the ground.


You forgot the extensive Extended Universe where Boba Fett was the baddest ass ever to be a bad ass motherfarker. The EU also killed Chewie. So take that with what you will.
 
2012-08-31 10:03:47 AM
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sprawl15: if only i post one more refutation than this troll will surely see the light and stop throwing shiatposts onto the thread

 
2012-08-31 10:04:01 AM

trotsky: You forgot the extensive Extended Universe where Boba Fett was the baddest ass ever to be a bad ass motherfarker. The EU also killed Chewie. So take that with what you will.


And there are furry worms that absorb the Force and clones spell their names with extra silent vowels.
 
2012-08-31 10:04:55 AM

highbrow45: spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.

Boba Fett survived the Sarlac.


Yeah, and I bet Condi's survived more than one sandy vagina.
 
2012-08-31 10:06:00 AM

Graffito: theknuckler_33: beta_plus: his ordering the assassination of an unarmed man in front of his family while violating the sovereign territory of a country that never attacked us

It's cute how you don't mention the name of that 'unarmed man'. I'll be sure to remember that you wish OBL was still alive.

Or that the photo is unrelated to the article that he links to. In fact, there's no information at all on the source of the photo.


"young-black-Libyan-taken-prisoner-by-rebels.jpg"

Don't you get it? Obama is racist against blacks because black people got caught up in a farking civil war that Obama got all involved in which was "Obama's war" and Obama is bad because of that... for starting another war. But he didn't do enough though, he should have made sure nothing bad happened in that civil war, so he should have done more. So, Obama is bad for starting his own personal war and then he's bad again for not doing it right.
 
2012-08-31 10:08:10 AM

trotsky: But it didn't. The execution by the SEALs and the go order given by the President all worked in synch. And I bet the micromanagement was absent as well.


As the planning meetings proceeded-the president and his aides often had a model of the compound before them-a critical point about a unilateral U.S. assault caught Obama's attention: How would these covert warriors return safely from the compound, especially if they were to encounter hostile Pakistani military forces? He noticed that in the initial planning the assault force was small. He asked McRaven if such a force could fight its way out if necessary.

McRaven had based the planning on an assumption that if his commandos were confronted by the Pakistanis, they would protect themselves without attempting to defeat the Pakistani forces, while waiting for the politicians in Washington and Islamabad to sort things out. He calculated that his team could hold off any Pakistani assault for one or two hours.

Obama nixed the idea of commandos hunkering down to await diplomatic rescue. He worried that the Navy SEALs conducting the mission could end up as hostages of the Pakistanis, and he told McRaven to ensure that the U.S. forces could escape the compound and return to safety, whether or not they encountered Pakistani resistance.

"Don't worry about keeping things calm with Pakistan," Obama said to McRaven. "Worry about getting out."

McRaven added additional forces; a second group of SEALs would be prepared to take on any Pakistani forces that might try to intervene.

(source)
 
2012-08-31 10:09:44 AM

Mugato: trotsky: You forgot the extensive Extended Universe where Boba Fett was the baddest ass ever to be a bad ass motherfarker. The EU also killed Chewie. So take that with what you will.

And there are furry worms that absorb the Force and clones spell their names with extra silent vowels.


If it didn't happen in the movies it didn't happen. I hate that retcon revisionist bullshiat.
 
2012-08-31 10:10:24 AM

sprawl15: trotsky: But it didn't. The execution by the SEALs and the go order given by the President all worked in synch. And I bet the micromanagement was absent as well.

As the planning meetings proceeded-the president and his aides often had a model of the compound before them-a critical point about a unilateral U.S. assault caught Obama's attention: How would these covert warriors return safely from the compound, especially if they were to encounter hostile Pakistani military forces? He noticed that in the initial planning the assault force was small. He asked McRaven if such a force could fight its way out if necessary.

McRaven had based the planning on an assumption that if his commandos were confronted by the Pakistanis, they would protect themselves without attempting to defeat the Pakistani forces, while waiting for the politicians in Washington and Islamabad to sort things out. He calculated that his team could hold off any Pakistani assault for one or two hours.

Obama nixed the idea of commandos hunkering down to await diplomatic rescue. He worried that the Navy SEALs conducting the mission could end up as hostages of the Pakistanis, and he told McRaven to ensure that the U.S. forces could escape the compound and return to safety, whether or not they encountered Pakistani resistance.

"Don't worry about keeping things calm with Pakistan," Obama said to McRaven. "Worry about getting out."

McRaven added additional forces; a second group of SEALs would be prepared to take on any Pakistani forces that might try to intervene.

(source)


Badass.
 
2012-08-31 10:11:05 AM
That was both scathing and accurate. When did the media find its balls?
 
2012-08-31 10:15:24 AM

sprawl15: trotsky: But it didn't. The execution by the SEALs and the go order given by the President all worked in synch. And I bet the micromanagement was absent as well.

As the planning meetings proceeded-the president and his aides often had a model of the compound before them-a critical point about a unilateral U.S. assault caught Obama's attention: How would these covert warriors return safely from the compound, especially if they were to encounter hostile Pakistani military forces? He noticed that in the initial planning the assault force was small. He asked McRaven if such a force could fight its way out if necessary.

McRaven had based the planning on an assumption that if his commandos were confronted by the Pakistanis, they would protect themselves without attempting to defeat the Pakistani forces, while waiting for the politicians in Washington and Islamabad to sort things out. He calculated that his team could hold off any Pakistani assault for one or two hours.

Obama nixed the idea of commandos hunkering down to await diplomatic rescue. He worried that the Navy SEALs conducting the mission could end up as hostages of the Pakistanis, and he told McRaven to ensure that the U.S. forces could escape the compound and return to safety, whether or not they encountered Pakistani resistance.

"Don't worry about keeping things calm with Pakistan," Obama said to McRaven. "Worry about getting out."

McRaven added additional forces; a second group of SEALs would be prepared to take on any Pakistani forces that might try to intervene.

(source)


Obviously a meticulously constructed libby-lib narrative. Everyone knows Obama was on a golf course (shooting triple bogies, no doubt), tried to stop the mission, and was overridden by heroic conservative warriors on the JCOS... you know, the ones that don't want gays in the military under any circumstances.
 
2012-08-31 10:17:56 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: relcec: only because she is also an authoritarian war monger who believes in the unitary executive. where have the actual liberals gone?

We're here. We're just not projecting Bush's failings onto Obama they way you seem to be.

/bring up NDAA motherfarker, I dare you


Please explain how bush is responsible for Obama revoking Habaes Corpus for U.S. citizens in the NDAA which was signed December 31, 2011, starting a war with Libya, and expanding the cyberwarfare program against Iran. the truth is you don't actually have a problem with authoritarianism and the development of a soul crushing police state, the ever expanding power of the presidency, or heavy handed arbitrary international interventionism.
you are a Democrat who pretends these things are harmful when Republicans are in office because only at that point does it become politically convenient. you and the millions of political fanboys just like you are a big reason why American has such a dangerous foreign policy.

Carl Levin (D) explaining to a fellow Democratic Senator from Illinois that the reason the section in the NDAA that said that indefinite detention provisions would not apply to u.s. citizens and lawful residents, and which had already passed committee and was in the bill, was removed was because the Obama administration requested its removal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_military_intervention_in_Libya
 
2012-08-31 10:21:20 AM

theknuckler_33: Obviously a meticulously constructed libby-lib narrative. Everyone knows Obama was on a golf course (shooting triple bogies, no doubt), tried to stop the mission, and was overridden by heroic conservative warriors on the JCOS... you know, the ones that don't want gays in the military under any circumstances.


Yeah right, a colourd who isn't Tiger Woods allowed on a golf course without a tray. Pfft.
 
2012-08-31 10:22:56 AM
Boba Fett became a badass when he said,"He's no good to me dead."

And how did Vader respond?

"The Empire will compensate you, if he dies. Put him in."

Not, "What's good for you is what I decide." Or, "The good of the Empire is all that matters." Or, "Dead or alive, you will deal with it."

No, Straight up, if Han dies, Vader'll make sure Fett gets paid extra, because he is such a badass that even Vader didn't want on his bad side.

And he survived the Sarlacc, twice.
 
2012-08-31 10:24:05 AM

relcec: Please explain how bush is responsible for Obama revoking Habaes Corpus for U.S. citizens in the NDAA which was signed December 31, 2011, starting a war with Libya


The NDAA signed December 31, 2011 was responsible for starting a war with Libya that ran from March 19, 2011 to October 31, 2011.

img717.imageshack.us
 
2012-08-31 10:27:09 AM

EnviroDude: When you look at how things turned out in Egypt, if you are a pro-militant Muslim, it went very well.


Sometimes, in a democracy, the other guy wins.

Why do you hate democracy?
 
2012-08-31 10:30:12 AM

Epoch_Zero: qorkfiend: Eleke: spcMike: Rev. Skarekroe: I always admired Condi. Sure, she was working for the bad guys but I think she's cool anyway. Like a Republican Boba Fett.

I'm sorry, why does everyone think Boba Fett is so cool?

He didn't capture Han Solo, Vader did. He merely transported the carbonite slab to Jabba. And then he dies like a biatch at the hands of a half blind guy and fell into a giant sand vagina. To be honest he was completely inept and useless.

So, yeah, I guess Condi kind of is like Boba.

I've wondered the same thing for years. The best explanation was that just mentioning his name scared the bejeezus out of Han Solo, so before people even saw him do his thing there was this expectation of badassery from him. We just happened to see Boba Fett on a bad day.

I think most people like Boba Fett because, in his first real introduction, he was admonished for extreme measures by none other than Darth Vader himself.

Yet they continue to like him even though he was bested by a hole in the ground.


Nah. He was bested by Luke Skywalker, with a bit of luck from Han Solo, which just happened to cause him to fall into the hole in the ground (that had teeth and a digestive tract).
 
2012-08-31 10:31:44 AM

relcec: you and the millions of political fanboys just like you are a big reason why American has such a dangerous foreign policy.


Yep, those damn libs and their never ending quest to conquer the Earth with the US military regardless of cost and kidnap their own citizens. Meanwhile, Republicans protest the wars and strive for more domestic spending and infrastructure.

To quote Barney Frank addressing a young woman accusing the jewish man of enacting Nazi-inspired laws "On what planet do you spend the majority of your time?"

There was immediate backlash in the liberal and democratic communities about the continuation of Bush policy. There was no encouragement or gleeful adoption, as you claim.
 
2012-08-31 10:33:07 AM

xanadian: EnviroDude: When you look at how things turned out in Egypt, if you are a pro-militant Muslim, it went very well.

Sometimes, in a democracy, the other guy wins.

Why do you hate democracy?


Actually I think in this case "the other guy" was a Mubarak supporter.
 
2012-08-31 10:41:06 AM

Epoch_Zero: relcec: you and the millions of political fanboys just like you are a big reason why American has such a dangerous foreign policy.

Yep, those damn libs and their never ending quest to conquer the Earth with the US military regardless of cost and kidnap their own citizens. Meanwhile, Republicans protest the wars and strive for more domestic spending and infrastructure.

To quote Barney Frank addressing a young woman accusing the jewish man of enacting Nazi-inspired laws "On what planet do you spend the majority of your time?"

There was immediate backlash in the liberal and democratic communities about the continuation of Bush policy. There was no encouragement or gleeful adoption, as you claim.


I should ask on what planet do you spend the majority of your time?

Wednesday, Feb 8, 2012 10:13 AM CST
Repulsive Progressive Hypocrisy
A new poll shows deep support among liberals for the very Bush/Cheney policies they once pretended to despise

By Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/repulsive_progressive_hypocrisy/


Condi while having retarded and dangerous views, is at least being consistent. I can't even say that for most of you folks. The majority of you people condition your support for these policies almost completely on the party affiliation of the state actor that undertakes them.
 
2012-08-31 10:48:20 AM

Epoch_Zero: craigdamage: Shaggy_C Considering Obama foreign policy is essentially a continuation of Bush foreign policy,



.....except with a much higher body count.

Exactly how so? Please show how you came to this conclusion.


It took over 4000 American lives and over a trillion dollars to tip over Saddam Hussein and completely destabilize the middle east.

It cost us one helicopter and a bullet to kill bin Laden, and the rest of his asshole friends seem to have an affinity for Helfire missiles and Predator drones.
 
2012-08-31 10:51:47 AM

sprawl15: relcec: Please explain how bush is responsible for Obama revoking Habaes Corpus for U.S. citizens in the NDAA which was signed December 31, 2011, starting a war with Libya

The NDAA signed December 31, 2011 was responsible for starting a war with Libya that ran from March 19, 2011 to October 31, 2011.


I was primarily thinking about how the Habeus Corpus bit reclec's going on about was added to the NDAA by congressional Republicans as a poison pill and passed with a veto proof majority but pointing out his poor recollection of the order of events doesn't hurt.

reclec: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-presid ent-hr-1540
 
2012-08-31 10:53:37 AM

relcec: Wednesday, Feb 8, 2012 10:13 AM CST
Repulsive Progressive Hypocrisy
A new poll shows deep support among liberals for the very Bush/Cheney policies they once pretended to despise
By Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/repulsive_progressive_hypocrisy/


"a new Washington Post/ABC News poll today demonstrates..."

nubian please
 
2012-08-31 10:59:59 AM

relcec: Epoch_Zero: relcec: you and the millions of political fanboys just like you are a big reason why American has such a dangerous foreign policy.

Yep, those damn libs and their never ending quest to conquer the Earth with the US military regardless of cost and kidnap their own citizens. Meanwhile, Republicans protest the wars and strive for more domestic spending and infrastructure.

To quote Barney Frank addressing a young woman accusing the jewish man of enacting Nazi-inspired laws "On what planet do you spend the majority of your time?"

There was immediate backlash in the liberal and democratic communities about the continuation of Bush policy. There was no encouragement or gleeful adoption, as you claim.

I should ask on what planet do you spend the majority of your time?

Wednesday, Feb 8, 2012 10:13 AM CST
Repulsive Progressive Hypocrisy
A new poll shows deep support among liberals for the very Bush/Cheney policies they once pretended to despise
By Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/08/repulsive_progressive_hypocrisy/


Condi while having retarded and dangerous views, is at least being consistent. I can't even say that for most of you folks. The majority of you people condition your support for these policies almost completely on the party affiliation of the state actor that undertakes them.


From your link:
"A new Washington Post-ABC News poll shows that Obama, who campaigned on a pledge to close the brig at Guantanamo Bay and to change national security policies he criticized as inconsistent with U.S. law and values, has little to fear politically for failing to live up to all of those promises."

Perhaps due to the Republicans being responsible for the continued existence of Guantanamo, having filibustered all attempts to close it.

Going further, your article - an op-ed, btw - does not mention anything other than the Obama administration continuing the policy of domestic wiretapping, and avoids the backlash when he did this:

Warning: Site design from Geocities circa 1999, eesh.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/26/1086488/-21-reasons-why-I-w il l-never-again-vote-for-Obama
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/04/20/the-ever-expanding-surve il lance-state-that-has-grown-under-obama/

Going forward, from your article:
"Fully 77 percent of liberal Democrats endorse the use of drones, meaning that Obama is unlikely to suffer any political consequences as a result of his policy in this election year."

Not putting American lives in danger by using drones instead of sending in wave after wave of infantry? Good god, man! How.... pragmatic.

FTFA: "
Support for drone strikes against suspected terrorists stays high, dropping only somewhat when respondents are asked specifically about targeting American citizens living overseas, as was the case with Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemeni American killed in September in a drone strike in northern Yemen."

Al-Aulaqi was an Al-Queda recruiter and was promoted to "regional Commander" inside that organization. He was a terrorist with clear ties to terrorist bombings and was already being tried in absentia by the Yemenis, who wanted him dead or alive.

His American citizenship is meaningless in this context, as we kill domestic terrorists as well.



I hope you stretched before all this reaching.
 
2012-08-31 11:04:43 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: I was primarily thinking about how the Habeus Corpus bit reclec's going on about was added to the NDAA


You're already a few steps beyond where you should throw the bullshiat flag.

There is - and never was - a suspension of Habeus Corpus for American citizens after Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. There was only indefinite military detainment, and that was already allowed under the 9/11 AUMF.
 
2012-08-31 11:06:16 AM

sprawl15: There isn't


FTFM
 
2012-08-31 11:06:38 AM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: That was both scathing and accurate. When did the media find its balls?


that's one opinion piece in the NY times. wake me when CNN or another network actually calls these assholes out on their brazen mendacity.

but, yeah, it's a start.
 
2012-08-31 11:07:42 AM

Monkeyhouse Zendo: sprawl15: relcec: Please explain how bush is responsible for Obama revoking Habaes Corpus for U.S. citizens in the NDAA which was signed December 31, 2011, starting a war with Libya

The NDAA signed December 31, 2011 was responsible for starting a war with Libya that ran from March 19, 2011 to October 31, 2011.

I was primarily thinking about how the Habeus Corpus bit reclec's going on about was added to the NDAA by congressional Republicans as a poison pill and passed with a veto proof majority but pointing out his poor recollection of the order of events doesn't hurt.

reclec: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-presid ent-hr-1540




so this is why you dared me to bring up the NDAA? you were gonna go all out and hit me with an obama press release?

just tell me straight out please, it is your contention that Democratic Senator Carl Levin is LYING on the Senate floor when he says that the portion of the bill specifically prohibiting the use of the NDAA on American citizens and lawful u.s. residents? and you claim as evidence for this is Obama's personal press release signing statement?


you are either doing a piss poor job of attempting camouflage and obfuscate what we all know the president did,
or you really have allowed your delusions to flourish to impressive levels in order to tamp down cognitive dissonance created by maintaining personal and undying fealty to your political hero who unfortunately for you happens all too frequently advance political policies that you claim to abhor.


Carl Levin (D) explaining to a fellow Democratic Senator from Illinois that the reason the section in the NDAA that said that indefinite detention provisions would not apply to u.s. citizens and lawful residents, and which had already passed committee and was in the bill, was removed was because the Obama administration requested its removal.
 
2012-08-31 11:08:28 AM

sprawl15: Monkeyhouse Zendo: I was primarily thinking about how the Habeus Corpus bit reclec's going on about was added to the NDAA

You're already a few steps beyond where you should throw the bullshiat flag.

There is - and never was - a suspension of Habeus Corpus for American citizens after Hamdi v. Rumsfeld. There was only indefinite military detainment, and that was already allowed under the 9/11 AUMF.


Yeah, that's why I linked the signing statement. I didn't feel like typing all that out.
 
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