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gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:20:48 PM

Lorelle: dittybopper: Am I the only one who has noticed that "Lorelle" is an anagram for "eel roll"? Maybe we should start calling her "Ms. Unagi".

Am I the only one who has noticed that "dittybopper" is an anagram for "Be Drip Potty?"

gja: And yet another glib, flippant, knee-jerk remark from a woman with more space than brains.

/stop thinking with your ovaries
//and stop letting your emotions cloud any reason you might otherwise be capable of

My condolences on having your peener amputated.


"peener"? What are you like 6 years old?
Grow the hell up woman. And while you are at it learn to think before posting such predictable pablum.
Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Learn to think critically.
 
2012-08-31 02:22:29 PM
Nearly 350 posts and we're finally to a steady diet of "small penis", "child molester", and "masturbating with ur gunz".

I think we're about done here, Lou.
 
2012-08-31 02:26:02 PM

gja:
Grow the hell up woman. And while you are at it learn to think before posting such predictable pablum.
Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Learn to think critically.


Oh, puh-LEEZE. Ovaries have nothing to do with guns, but you seem to have a preoccupation with them.

You also seem to have hatred for women who don't worship guns. On second thought, you seem to have hatred for ALL women.
 
2012-08-31 02:28:09 PM

Lorelle: My condolences on having your peener amputated.


*TWEET*. Violation of Markley's Law. Ten yard penalty and loss of down.
 
2012-08-31 02:31:05 PM

dittybopper: Lorelle: My condolences on having your peener amputated.

*TWEET*. Violation of Markley's Law. Ten yard penalty and loss of down.


NO FAIR! I was thisclose to a touchdown!

/killing time before FATFAG
 
2012-08-31 02:33:25 PM

gja: Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.


Wait, were you talking about guns, or your penis?
 
2012-08-31 02:34:08 PM
jaytkay SmartestFunniest 2012-08-31 01:59:13 PM


Gdalescrboz: I'm still waiting for HOW exactly stricter gun laws will keep some asshole from getting a gun or even modifying his weapon, which is very simple. I want to hear the logic behind it. I cant tell you how many people I've had this conversation with while stoned. They simple cant connect the dots

Stricter laws on production could reduce the number of gun crimes.


Exactly my point. Stricter gun control laws COULD increase gun violence. Hell, stricter gun control laws COULD turn us all into bears. I cant explain why, but it could. Stop giving us hypotheticals and make logical connections that WILL lead to decreased gun violence. I'd be all for it if I heard a good explanation, thus far I haven't heard anything. I'm biting at the bit, feed me, please feed me.
 
2012-08-31 02:35:43 PM

Lorelle: Am I the only one who has noticed that "dittybopper" is an anagram for "Be Drip Potty?"


Oh, come on, you can do better than that. Like "trippy bed toy", which would imply a penis substitute.

It's like you're not even *TRYING* anymore.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:37:44 PM

Lorelle: gja:
Grow the hell up woman. And while you are at it learn to think before posting such predictable pablum.
Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Learn to think critically.

Oh, puh-LEEZE. Ovaries have nothing to do with guns, but you seem to have a preoccupation with them.

You also seem to have hatred for women who don't worship guns. On second thought, you seem to have hatred for ALL women.


Not that it is salient to the convo, but I love women and have a certain reverence for them in general (that whole giving-birth-to-new-lives thing). I actually love them enough to get married a second time!

I hate nobody. Hate is an ugly emotion I have no room for. I do not hate women who don't worship guns likely because I myself do not worship bits of metal and plastic/wood, etc...

But neither do I get all 'wet-my-pants' fearful of them. They are objects, and about as likely to kill me as a parked car.

And I intensely despise when an otherwise possibly intelligent person (i am referring to you, herein) acts in a way that they need not if they were only to count 10, think with a cool head, and THEN act.

It's called self-control. Perhaps one day you will give it a spin?
 
2012-08-31 02:39:01 PM
Charlie: "Gee Mr. Wonka does this thread really happen every week?"

Willy Wonka: "It sure does, Charlie. Just like clockwork. A little nonsense now and then is cherished by the wisest men."
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:39:49 PM

dittybopper: Lorelle: My condolences on having your peener amputated.

*TWEET*. Violation of Markley's Law. Ten yard penalty and loss of down.


Holy Shiat! I was not aware of this!

/laughing so hard I just f-ed up the java I was writing....
 
2012-08-31 02:42:42 PM

gja: I actually love them enough to get married a second time!


I think that's proof enough for anyone to refute any remark of 'coward'. Crazy, maybe, but with 50% of this countries marriages ending in divorce and the other 50% in death, I think it's by far a greater threat to you. If only we could shoot it.
 
2012-08-31 02:46:37 PM

dittybopper: Oh, come on, you can do better than that. Like "trippy bed toy", which would imply a penis substitute.

It's like you're not even *TRYING* anymore.


Oh, all right...

Body Prep Tit
Pop Dirty Bet
Pry Top Bidet
Bed Potty Rip

Happy now??
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:47:29 PM
2 things really need to happen in the U.S.A.

1. We need to decriminalize Marijuana.
Tax it, don't tax, I don't f-ing care. Just STOP throwing people in jail for it.
We need the room in jail for...

2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...

3. Apply same type of sentencing to ANY proven gang/organized crime members.

That's where I would start anyway.
 
2012-08-31 02:54:35 PM

gja: 2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...


I would advocate only such a penalty for crimes involving an actual victim. I would not wish for police to charge an individual who negligently ran a red light with a felony offense merely because the driver was also in possession of a firearm but I do know that some police and prosecutors would do so if legally possible.
 
2012-08-31 02:56:42 PM

gja: It's called self-control. Perhaps one day you will give it a spin?


Perhaps you should take your own advice??

You got very upset by my initial comment (and that was weak bait, too. Not my best effort), then proceeded to bring my ovaries into the conversation, which is highly indicative of YOUR loss of self-control.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:58:15 PM

Dimensio: gja: 2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...

I would advocate only such a penalty for crimes involving an actual victim. I would not wish for police to charge an individual who negligently ran a red light with a felony offense merely because the driver was also in possession of a firearm but I do know that some police and prosecutors would do so if legally possible.


Yes, of course. My error by omission. These sentences would be doled out for crimes involving victims. The intent I had was to STOP HAVING US KILL EACH OTHER.
 
2012-08-31 03:04:37 PM

gja: 2 things really need to happen in the U.S.A.

1. We need to decriminalize Marijuana.
Tax it, don't tax, I don't f-ing care. Just STOP throwing people in jail for it.
We need the room in jail for...

2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...

3. Apply same type of sentencing to ANY proven gang/organized crime members.

That's where I would start anyway.


That's a long '2' things. While I don't have any disagreement with 1, for 2 is the sentence really what deters people from a crime? "Oh man, I'm going to get 15 years instead of 5 for this crime, I better not do it?"

And on the 3rd, we already have just as many of those in the jails as on the streets, they're just as comfortable. So unless you fashion a Judge Dredd scenario, maybe some program to spread out prisoner populations throughout the country so no clusters develop? I don't think there are as many Bloods in Pedokah, North Dakota so they would lose their support system. Now this wouldn't prevent them from forming new gangs, but maybe if we shifted populations around bi-yearly, we wouldn't have the prison gang culture we have now.
 
2012-08-31 03:05:49 PM

tallguywithglasseson: gja: Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Wait, were you talking about guns, or your penis?


The anti-gun crowd has a proven, undefineable obsession with the dick.
It's one of the first remarks out of them in any gun thread, or for that matter, a thread discussing any automobile that is larger than a battery-powered roller skate.

They seem to love the cock.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 03:07:27 PM

Lorelle: gja: It's called self-control. Perhaps one day you will give it a spin?

Perhaps you should take your own advice??

You got very upset by my initial comment (and that was weak bait, too. Not my best effort), then proceeded to bring my ovaries into the conversation, which is highly indicative of YOUR loss of self-control.


HAHA, "very upset"? No little lady, 'me' very upset would be a not-so-pretty picture. Mildly annoyed is about right, sweetie.
I am very long of patience and tolerance, but once to the end of that, things get a tad shall-we-say loud and less than congenial.

I never lose my self control nor my composure. That is not tolerated in my position, and would be a career ending character fault.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 03:11:35 PM

tallguywithglasseson: gja: Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Wait, were you talking about guns, or your penis?


Touche'. You would get a month of TF, if you didn't already have it, for the wittiest retort in-thread.
My hat is off to you, sir.

//wasn't REALLY wearing a hat...just sayin.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 03:22:23 PM

MichiganFTL: gja: 2 things really need to happen in the U.S.A.

1. We need to decriminalize Marijuana.
Tax it, don't tax, I don't f-ing care. Just STOP throwing people in jail for it.
We need the room in jail for...

2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...

3. Apply same type of sentencing to ANY proven gang/organized crime members.

That's where I would start anyway.

That's a long '2' things. While I don't have any disagreement with 1, for 2 is the sentence really what deters people from a crime? "Oh man, I'm going to get 15 years instead of 5 for this crime, I better not do it?"

And on the 3rd, we already have just as many of those in the jails as on the streets, they're just as comfortable. So unless you fashion a Judge Dredd scenario, maybe some program to spread out prisoner populations throughout the country so no clusters develop? I don't think there are as many Bloods in Pedokah, North Dakota so they would lose their support system. Now this wouldn't prevent them from forming new gangs, but maybe if we shifted populations around bi-yearly, we wouldn't have the prison gang culture we have now.


Yeah, we REALLY need to break the backs of these farking gangs. They tear up a neighborhood something fierce. Here in Long Island they have polluted 1 town so badly the cops barely patrol anymore. The P.O. basically sit back with a "f them, let them kill each other off" attitude.
The town's real name is Wyandanch, it's dirt name is Crime-danch . How messed up is THAT?

More handguns per square mile than you would believe. Not one is legal, bet on it.
 
2012-08-31 03:25:14 PM

Lorelle: gja:
Grow the hell up woman. And while you are at it learn to think before posting such predictable pablum.
Penii were not part of this conversation (you seem to have a certain preoccupation with it however, perhaps some psychotherapy sessions can help you explore and deal with that).

The fact remains, your post was indicative of an emotionally charged, flippant, knee-jerk comment born of baseless fear and hatred for an inanimate object.

Learn to think critically.

Oh, puh-LEEZE. Ovaries have nothing to do with guns, but you seem to have a preoccupation with them.

You also seem to have hatred for women who don't worship guns. On second thought, you seem to have hatred for ALL women.


I like all women.., EIP



/lol
 
2012-08-31 03:48:59 PM

gja: Dimensio: gja: 2. Make it a felony offense to use ANY weapon in the commission, or attempt to commit, a crime. Make the sentence long enough to make the miscreants take pause and ask themselves "is this really gonna be worth doing xx years without any possible time-off/plea-bargainng etc...

I would advocate only such a penalty for crimes involving an actual victim. I would not wish for police to charge an individual who negligently ran a red light with a felony offense merely because the driver was also in possession of a firearm but I do know that some police and prosecutors would do so if legally possible.

Yes, of course. My error by omission. These sentences would be doled out for crimes involving victims. The intent I had was to STOP HAVING US KILL EACH OTHER.


But will it?

If armed robbery becomes almost equivalent to murder in terms of punishment, then will armed robbers stop leaving witnesses?

/just thinking it through ...
 
2012-08-31 03:49:34 PM

Trivia Jockey: Let me change the subject a bit and put all the legalities and rights issues aside...

Can some of you gun advocates explain why you want to have guns so badly? Why you feel the need to have them?

A lot of advocates tell me they want to exercise their rights, and that's fine, but putting that aside, is there any other reason why you feel it's so important to own a gun or guns?

See, you are so very wrong here. You miss the point.

I'm a VERY big gun advocate. Very big. How many guns do I own? 0.
The First Amendment allows people to exercise the right to free speech and that includes silence.
 
2012-08-31 03:54:21 PM
I wonder how many time this will play out and if Americans will ever go to a single shot/no multiple shot magazine scenario on gun control.

Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns, they require a psych test, boiling the frog measures.

/Just wondering if their is a point at which 51% could consider gun control.
 
2012-08-31 03:55:18 PM
ahh, the tiny dick gun lovers out in force again.
 
2012-08-31 04:01:07 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: As more of the military comes back from overseas, we're going to see this happen more and more. But since the VA is soshulism according to the people in control of the budget, I seriously doubt we will see improvements to mental health care until they are flushed out of the system like the little shiats they are.


WOW. Did you even read the article? He NEVER served overseas. But I guess FACTS don't really have a place in your attempt to distort and go with an obvious agenda. Good Job.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 04:01:34 PM

pacified: ahh, the tiny dick gun lovers out in force again.


You gotta have a tiny dick to love a gun, their holes are soooo small its tough for big willys to fit into.

/i neither love nor hate guns. unliving bits of metal and mechanisms are just that
 
2012-08-31 04:01:54 PM
Maybe it's time to have a monthly psychological assessment of gun owners? It's just that even normal people can go crazy at any moment. Initially, you're a responsible gun owner, then later you'll be some rage fueled badass with a gun.

Owning a gun means having huge responsibility not just to yourself, but also to those around you. If you think you need a gun, then be cautious, know your responsibility and have yourself checked from time to time. It's going to be a hassle, but maybe it's for the best, both for yourself and others.
 
2012-08-31 04:02:04 PM

marius2: I'm just curious how many the cops killed.


Gee, I guess you might know if you read the article. WOW.
 
2012-08-31 04:02:06 PM

pacified: ahh, the tiny dick gun lovers out in force again.


I am curious: what is the cause of your obsession with male genitalia?
 
2012-08-31 04:03:05 PM

pacified: ahh, the tiny dick gun lovers out in force again.


And yet another to prove the theory...

/It's OK to love the dick - we're not here to judge you.
 
2012-08-31 04:03:21 PM

Enemabag Jones: Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns


Are you unaware that individuals previously convicted of any felony offense are prohibited by law from possessing firearms?
 
2012-08-31 04:04:13 PM
Sorry, I'll leave now as I can see this place is over run with the anti-gun fanatics & their agendas.
 
2012-08-31 04:05:59 PM

GreenSun: Maybe it's time to have a monthly psychological assessment of guncar owners? It's just that even normal people can go crazy at any moment. Initially, you're a responsible guncar owner, then later you'll be some rage fueled badass with a guncar.

Owning a guncar means having huge responsibility not just to yourself, but also to those around you. If you think you need a guncar, then be cautious, know your responsibility and have yourself checked from time to time. It's going to be a hassle, but maybe it's for the best, both for yourself and others.


Do you see how inane your argument is now? You could substitute car for gun and still have the same argument. Or any number of other things that kill more people than guns. Stop blaming the tool.
 
2012-08-31 04:06:17 PM

GreenSun: Maybe it's time to have a monthly psychological assessment of gun owners? It's just that even normal people can go crazy at any moment. Initially, you're a responsible gun owner, then later you'll be some rage fueled badass with a gun.


Perhaps a monthly psychological assessment of all United States residents would be more appropriate.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 04:07:51 PM

TXEric: pacified: ahh, the tiny dick gun lovers out in force again.

And yet another to prove the theory...

/It's OK to love the dick - we're not here to judge you.


encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-08-31 04:09:00 PM

Dimensio: GreenSun: Maybe it's time to have a monthly psychological assessment of gun owners? It's just that even normal people can go crazy at any moment. Initially, you're a responsible gun owner, then later you'll be some rage fueled badass with a gun.

Perhaps a monthly psychological assessment of all United States residents would be more appropriate.


Given the number of gun owners, the two are functionally equivalent.
 
2012-08-31 04:11:27 PM

Dimensio: Enemabag Jones: Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns

Are you unaware that individuals previously convicted of any felony offense are prohibited by law from possessing firearms?


Or that you can be a criminal and not even know it? The fact that any police officer can come up to you and likely find a crime being broken if they scour criminal codes for an offense doesn't help matters. If you're in New York City and you work in a convenience store, and you sell someone under 18 a Sharpie, you've broken the law. Using that logic, you can't own a gun.
 
2012-08-31 04:29:18 PM
tgambitg,
Dimensio: Enemabag Jones: Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns
Are you unaware that individuals previously convicted of any felony offense are prohibited by law from possessing firearms?
Or that you can be a criminal and not even know it? The fact that any police officer can come up to you and likely find a crime being broken if they scour criminal codes for an offense doesn't help matters. If you're in New York City and you work in a convenience store, and you sell someone under 18 a Sharpie, you've broken the law. Using that logic, you can't own a gun.


Not talking about felons, although 'felony' means as much to me now as 'sex offender' does without more information.

I am talking about public intoxication, low level shoplifting, DWI's, as a way of culling those who have access to guns. Making it something more restricted like getting a license to carry a firearm in some states, or own a full-auto firearm.

If one wanted to start restricting access to guns, start with anyone that has a low-level criminal record and work up from there. It would probably be smarter in American politics then restricting access to semi-auto firearms.
 
2012-08-31 04:29:44 PM

tgambitg: I was speaking of a mindset and it is absolutely true.

Can you point to a survey of people asked about their views on guns? Or a credible news source stating this? Because Billy-Bob down the road spewing nonsense is anecdotal, not data. Cold, hard, facts are all that laws should be made on, not emotion. NEVER emotion. Because emotion is fallible to the extreme, and logic flies out the window.

Just because you feel in your heart that it is true about 'gun nuts' does not make it true. Back up your claims, or tell the truth and say it is your opinion. Because it is not 'absolutely true' until you can back it up with facts.


I like how you put gun nuts in quotes as if it is a fictional thing.

Look, I'm not proposing any laws at all, let alone based on emotion. Let me put what I said another way. I am of the opinion that the trait I described is not so much a trait of gun nuts, but rather the definition of gun nuts (ie. if someone does not think that way, they are not a gun nut). Does that soothe your butthurt?
 
2012-08-31 04:36:51 PM

meintx2001: marius2: I'm just curious how many the cops killed.

Gee, I guess you might know if you read the article. WOW.


Gee, when I posted at the start of the thread that information was not available.

Though seriously, welcometofark.jpg.
 
2012-08-31 04:37:11 PM

Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.


You misspelled "election year". There was one murder a day in Detroit alone last year. This is not some frightening new trend. Firearms advocates aren't responsible for this. We are firearms advocates because of this.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:07 PM

AngryDragon: Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.

You misspelled "election year". There was one murder a day in Detroit alone last year. This is not some frightening new trend. Firearms advocates aren't responsible for this. We are firearms advocates because of this.


Lorelle is convinced that such violence will be abated through imposition of strict restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership, such as the efforts implemented in New Jersey.
 
2012-08-31 04:39:55 PM

GreenSun: Maybe it's time to have a monthly psychological assessment of gun owners? It's just that even normal people can go crazy at any moment. Initially, you're a responsible gun owner, then later you'll be some rage fueled badass with a gun.

Owning a gun means having huge responsibility not just to yourself, but also to those around you. If you think you need a gun, then be cautious, know your responsibility and have yourself checked from time to time. It's going to be a hassle, but maybe it's for the best, both for yourself and others.


Monthly? You gonna pay for that?
 
2012-08-31 04:40:58 PM

Dimensio: Enemabag Jones: Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns

Are you unaware that individuals previously convicted of any felony offense are prohibited by law from possessing firearms?


Unless they get their rights restored which I am hoping to do this year
 
2012-08-31 05:21:57 PM
Tyler then drew a handgun and shot himself.

If only his head had had a gun, it might have had a chance to defend itself.
 
2012-08-31 05:23:35 PM

Mazzic518: Dimensio: Enemabag Jones: Alternativly they could incrementally start by saying anyone with any criminal record can't have guns

Are you unaware that individuals previously convicted of any felony offense are prohibited by law from possessing firearms?

Unless they get their rights restored which I am hoping to do this year


I'd still expect a hold and you'll have to file an appeal to get the weapon. I was just talking with the gun shop owner about that today when I picked up my pistol. You'll get it eventually, but it's a pain in the ass.
 
2012-08-31 06:30:51 PM

Dimensio: calm like a bomb: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

It isn't going to change. That war is over, we lost, and the price we will pay for the right of self-righteous honkeys to own military grade weaponry and armor piercing bullets is that sometimes one of them will get all shooty.

Military-grade weaponry is restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Handgun ammunition capable of penetrating body armour (legally determined by composition of the bullet core) is prohibited to civilians by federal law.

Civilian disarmament advocates "lose" because they consistently demonstrate themselves fundamentally ignorant of firearms terminology and even of existing regulations when proposing new restrictions. Their ignorance results in their proposals being entirely unreasonable and irrational infringements upon liberty. An unfortunate consequence of this ignorance is that even reasonable and rational proposals are adamantly opposed by firearm ownership rights advocacy organizations due to a conditioned response from numerous previous proposals that were not reasonable.




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