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2012-08-31 12:23:03 PM

Fubini: KarmicDisaster: edgesrealm: Saw this on PIX11 this morning Live from the scene. Disturbing stuff.

Why are so many people losing their minds and killing others in such grandiose ways recently? (Okay, grandiose for them...)

OK, I'll answer, it is because of the recent focus on guns as a way to solve your problems. Own a gun and you are suddenly defended against the terrors that you see on TV. We are being told that a gun solves everything, keeps the minorities and opposite political groups away. You even need to carry one around to be safe. The weak minded pick up on this and are buying guns and then using them to solve their problems when really they need some meds. The Aurora Shooters car was full of "Gun Today" mags for example, complete with fantasy stories about people solving their problems with guns.

This is a fantasy narrative. I don't know a single gun owner that would rather use a gun than resolving a situation in some other way. I don't know of a single firearms instruction program that advocates this. Everyone I talk to who has a gun for home defense says that their plan is to stand at the top of the stairs and yell that they have a gun.

Do you really think that Holmes was trying to solve a problem by doing this? What would even give you that idea?


You are mixing up the 99.999% of gun owners that stop at putting the gun in their pocket or having it handy and feel better with the few deranged individuals that see the gun as the solution to their problem, e.g. the Empire State building shooter. It is difficult to understand the nonlinear thinking process of a mentally ill person, I have no idea what Holmes was thinking and I doubt that it would make sense if I knew. Promoting guns so heavily as needed for defense or protection or second amendment solutions is just going to increase the number of deranged people buying guns as well, with the unfortunate consequences.
 
2012-08-31 12:27:10 PM
Damn... violence comes to my hometown.
 
2012-08-31 12:27:13 PM

jso2897: Buttbone


Cat Fancy
 
2012-08-31 12:37:38 PM
Headline FAIL
 
2012-08-31 12:40:08 PM

R.A.Danny: A state that the Brady Campaign gave an A- for gun control. Veddy Interesting.


If NJ would've tightened gun control to get an A or A+ from the Brady Campaign, this would never have happened.
 
2012-08-31 12:42:16 PM

Fubini: Dimensio: Fubini: MayoSlather: The_Sponge: Suck it, gun grabbers.

This is a straw man in most regards. I know of few people that would support a policy that required Americans to relinquish property they currently own. However what we allow for sale in the future of new and used weapons is the main issue.

That argument lost a lot of water once California actually started requiring gun owners to turn in certain types of legally owned weapons.

http://www.wnd.com/1999/07/3745/

It's unfortunate that this link is to WND, but from what I know the facts seem to be represented fairly with a little hyperbole around the sides. The short version is that the state said a gun was legal to own, then retroactively said it was not legal and gave gun owners a deadline to turn their rifles into a gun buyback program or else be in violation of the law. This happened in 1998.

You are mistaken. Firearm owners were not instructed to turn their firearms to a "buyback program"; instead, they were offered no compensation at all for the confiscation of their property.

All the links I've ever seen talk about the mandatory buyback program, but it's kind of hard to get good sources about this particular event, so if you know of one go ahead and post it.


According to an information bulletin released by the California Department of Justice, "no reimbursement is authorized in exchange for relinquishing assault weapons registered after the March 30, 1992 deadline".
 
2012-08-31 12:44:29 PM

Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Only cowards own guns.

Have you any rational commentary, rather than a "poisoning the well" fallacy, to offer, or do you rely upon fallacious argumentation due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit?

You never make a point. You just string a bunch of words together ultimately saying NOTHING.


You did not address my question.

For what reason did you rely upon fallacious reasoning? Did you do so due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit, or are you unaware that your initial statement is no more rational nor honest than is the statement "only child molesters use the Fark handle "Casey Anthony""?
 
2012-08-31 12:46:36 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: I'm kind of on your side, but goddamit, why do you have to be such an insufferable sperglord on this issue?


I am an insufferable sperglord on all issues. However, same-sex marriage discussions and evolution discussions have not occurred as frequently as of late and, when they do occur, fewer individuals advocating the irrational position with respect to those issues contribute to them.
 
2012-08-31 12:48:02 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: From TFA:


An ex-Marine
...
The gunman was a former Marine


Which is it?

("Ex-Marine" = dishonorable discharge or similar; "former Marine" = honorable discharge.)


I thought it was "Once a Marine, always a Marine." The one thing that I did note FTA was that he was a "rifleman," only in 2 years, and never went overseas. I didn't think they were letting anyone out after only 2 years these days. Unless they got kicked out, that is. So, no blaming on Battle induced PTSD.
 
2012-08-31 12:52:17 PM
As to getting rid of the guns that already exist (as a thought experiment rather than a position I advocate), I've thought of a few ideas, though even liberals may not like them.

First, ban all imports of guns and ammunition. Even from Canada. Play the Messicans/turrists/Chicoms cards if need be to placate Republicans, because race-baiting is okay if it's for a good cause.

Next, force all domestic ammunition manufacturers to only produce redesigned bullets in a new, nonstandard caliber that will not function (very well) in existing firearms.

Next, ban the sale of reloading powder.

This would largely prevent gun crime after an adjustment period, wherein gangbangers could make more money selling their bullets to panicked old white people than they would selling crack or meth.

If you want to truly go overboard, replace the firing pin->primer mechanism with a bullet that includes a tiny receiver that must detect a signal from a transmitter just behind the firing chamber before activating a charge via capacitor composed of a primer that is much less sensitive than lead azide or lead styphnate. (I would recommend a mix of erythritol tetranitrate and mannitol hexanitrate). The transmitter/receiver dynamic would require authentication via a system protected by public-key encryption.

Next, in this overboard fantasy, the production of nitrocellulose would need to be curbed via a few measures. Sale of any and all nitrate salts in any quantity would require an agricultural or pyrotechnic license. Nitrocellulose lacquer would require a pyrotechnic permit that only the wealthiest pyrotechnicians could afford. Magician's flash paper would have to go.


I can still think of dozens of ways to create a system for propelling a metallic slug at high velocity via explosive release of chemical energy, but this would make me the rare exception to the norm.

Hunters who aren't rich enough to be hunting foxes will be relegated to the crossbow, until one of those is used in a murder. Then they'd have to use something else. Perhaps the atlatl.



Also, you'd need to give massive, MASSIVE bailouts to Smith & Wesson, Ruger, and the like to compensate them and keep them in business. I'm talking an even bigger giveaway than Cash For Clunkers + GM bailout.


GAT, I find your views on corporate campaigning, banking regulation, healthcare, and foreign policy to be, well, awesome. But this is one issue where it really isn't feasible to approach it from any other direction than 'find the crazies and lock them up preemptively.'

You could instead take advantage of the situation and do the world a favor by pumping that blubbery shiatcamel Adelson full of .30-00 hollow point.
 
2012-08-31 12:55:34 PM

Dimensio: omnibus_necanda_sunt: I'm kind of on your side, but goddamit, why do you have to be such an insufferable sperglord on this issue?

I am an insufferable sperglord on all issues. However, same-sex marriage discussions and evolution discussions have not occurred as frequently as of late and, when they do occur, fewer individuals advocating the irrational position with respect to those issues contribute to them.


Opinion revised... upward.
 
2012-08-31 01:01:24 PM

Trivia Jockey: Let me change the subject a bit and put all the legalities and rights issues aside...

Can some of you gun advocates explain why you want to have guns so badly? Why you feel the need to have them?

A lot of advocates tell me they want to exercise their rights, and that's fine, but putting that aside, is there any other reason why you feel it's so important to own a gun or guns?


I use my .270 for deer hunting, as well as the occasional coyote. The deer provide meat for my family and it helps keep the population down. I also just really enjoy hunting. The coyotes can be a problem because they start killing livestock when they get too populated.

I use my 12 gauge to hunt pheasants. Again, for food and sport. I have a 20 gauge that I bought for my son to use while pheasant hunting. My next oldest just turned 12 and is now old enough to hunt, so I'll probably have to buy another shotgun for Christmas again this year.

The .22 is handy for keeping rabbits out of the garden. It's also a great gun to start the kids out with when teaching them how to safely handle a firearm. There's not much kick so it's not real intimidating, but it's dangerous and under the proper supervision you can teach them to respect a firearm and handle it properly. You can also take them out and put 100 rounds through it teaching them how to shoot without spending a small fortune.

I have some money saved up to buy a varmint rifle, probably a .223. I want that for shooting prairie dogs and coyotes. The prairie dogs are invasive and ruin pastures, and shooting them helps keep the population in check. The .270 would work for both, but the ammo is a lot more expensive, and it's overkill in most situations.

Someday when my kids are older, I'll probably buy a handgun. I haven't decided if I want a revolver or a semi-auto. Maybe both. Why do I want a hand gun? Mostly for fun. They can also be handy on the farm if you happen across a coon, skunk, badger, etc. and you don't have a rifle handy. Do I NEED a handgun? Not really. I still plan to buy one. Or two. Or more, who knows?

I suppose according to the gun-grabbers on Fark, all of this means I have a tiny penis. If I'm successful and go out and buy a car that's nicer than you can afford, my penis will probably disappear altogether. We all know that the only reason people ever want to have things that I don't approve of or can't afford is because they're compensating for a tiny member. Those of you living in mom's basement must have the biggest dicks on the planet. Too bad no woman will ever see them.
 
2012-08-31 01:04:34 PM
I wish that people would read the article before they write ignorant comments. The article clearly states that the shooter has never served overseas. That means it is highly unlikely that he suffers from PTSD as a result of his military service. That also makes it unlikely that lack of VA support had anything to do with the shooting. The article did mention that the individual had a possible history of depression.

Not to take away from the tragedy of the situation but I also believe this incident was mislabeled as a "mass shooting" or a "shootout". It appears to be a case where one individual was angered by two others, came back to the scene, targeted them specifically and then turned the firearm on himself. Upon hearing the term mass shooting I envision someone who is moving about shooting people at random or shooting a large number of people who were not chosen at random.

The recent NYC incident was also not a "mass shooting" unless you consider the perpetrators to be the NYPD.
 
2012-08-31 01:06:29 PM

GRCooper: Casey Anthony: Only cowards own guns.

Only morons make blanket statements


Only the dead know Denmark.
 
2012-08-31 01:08:16 PM

BeesNuts: GAT_00: Glorious freedom everywhere.

Hey guys, let's turn this into a gun thread! It's totally not about inadequate mental health care and support for the kids we sent to the desert to shoot at people for 15-20% of their lives! It's about access to firearms!

/I don't even disagree with your stance on gun rights... much...
//but god DAMN dude.


I thought it should be about how bat shiat nuts you people in the states are.
 
2012-08-31 01:13:36 PM

BeesNuts: GAT_00: Glorious freedom everywhere.

Hey guys, let's turn this into a gun thread! It's totally not about inadequate mental health care and support for the kids we sent to the desert to shoot at people for 15-20% of their lives! It's about access to firearms!

/I don't even disagree with your stance on gun rights... much...


So you agree that it is murder when a woman shoots a rapist who is trying to rape her?
 
2012-08-31 01:14:40 PM

Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Only cowards own guns.

Have you any rational commentary, rather than a "poisoning the well" fallacy, to offer, or do you rely upon fallacious argumentation due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit?

You never make a point. You just string a bunch of words together ultimately saying NOTHING.

You did not address my question.

For what reason did you rely upon fallacious reasoning? Did you do so due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit, or are you unaware that your initial statement is no more rational nor honest than is the statement "only child molesters use the Fark handle "Casey Anthony""?


To what "fallacious reasoning" are you referring? I did not provide any reasoning. Oh, it's just more word vomit.

What is the reasoning behind owning a gun. To protect yourself? Why do you feel you need to protect yourself? What are you afraid of? You are obviously fearful and insecure if you feel you need a firearm. Your gun is your little security blanket. It qualms the fear and anxiety you feel deep down in your soul. You are a coward.
 
2012-08-31 01:17:49 PM

Wenchmaster: Because a 50-kilogram elderly female can defend herself against a young 100-kilogram male attacker with a gun fairly easily compared to matching the attacker's physical superiority with her smaller mass.


I"m sorry, but we've already had this debate in this country. In the 70's. It's been settled.

The metric system lost. Get over it.
 
2012-08-31 01:18:48 PM
I picked the USA. I won, but due to the odds, the payoff was just getting my bet money back.
 
2012-08-31 01:20:10 PM

Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Only cowards own guns.

Have you any rational commentary, rather than a "poisoning the well" fallacy, to offer, or do you rely upon fallacious argumentation due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit?

You never make a point. You just string a bunch of words together ultimately saying NOTHING.

You did not address my question.

For what reason did you rely upon fallacious reasoning? Did you do so due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit, or are you unaware that your initial statement is no more rational nor honest than is the statement "only child molesters use the Fark handle "Casey Anthony""?

To what "fallacious reasoning" are you referring? I did not provide any reasoning. Oh, it's just more word vomit.

What is the reasoning behind owning a gun. To protect yourself? Why do you feel you need to protect yourself? What are you afraid of? You are obviously fearful and insecure if you feel you need a firearm. Your gun is your little security blanket. It qualms the fear and anxiety you feel deep down in your soul. You are a coward.


calms not qualms. sorry, i just got so excited.
 
2012-08-31 01:20:16 PM
Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.
 
2012-08-31 01:22:09 PM

omnibus_necanda_sunt: Hunters who aren't rich enough to be hunting foxes will be relegated to the crossbow, until one of those is used in a murder. Then they'd have to use something else. Perhaps the atlatl.


Just you *TRY* and stop me:

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2012-08-31 01:22:53 PM
I'm still waiting for HOW exactly stricter gun laws will keep some asshole from getting a gun or even modifying his weapon, which is very simple. I want to hear the logic behind it. I cant tell you how many people I've had this conversation with while stoned. They simple cant connect the dots
 
2012-08-31 01:25:59 PM

Gdalescrboz: I'm still waiting for HOW exactly stricter gun laws will keep some asshole from getting a gun or even modifying his weapon, which is very simple. I want to hear the logic behind it. I cant tell you how many people I've had this conversation with while stoned. They simple cant connect the dots


People who want to ban firearms general rely on emotional arguments. They're afraid of them so reason doesn't really enter into it. They simply view it as a murder's weapon, not as a tool that can both be used and misused depending on the person holding it.

/Got my new Glock today :-)
//Can't wait to take it to the range tomorrow
 
2012-08-31 01:26:29 PM

Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Casey Anthony: Only cowards own guns.

Have you any rational commentary, rather than a "poisoning the well" fallacy, to offer, or do you rely upon fallacious argumentation due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit?

You never make a point. You just string a bunch of words together ultimately saying NOTHING.

You did not address my question.

For what reason did you rely upon fallacious reasoning? Did you do so due to an awareness that your position lacks any intellectual merit, or are you unaware that your initial statement is no more rational nor honest than is the statement "only child molesters use the Fark handle "Casey Anthony""?

To what "fallacious reasoning" are you referring? I did not provide any reasoning. Oh, it's just more word vomit.

What is the reasoning behind owning a gun. To protect yourself? Why do you feel you need to protect yourself? What are you afraid of? You are obviously fearful and insecure if you feel you need a firearm. Your gun is your little security blanket. It qualms the fear and anxiety you feel deep down in your soul. You are a coward.


Your baseless ad hominem attacks are no more credible nor warranted than would be the accusation that you post to FARK as a means of distracting you from your desire to molest children.
 
2012-08-31 01:27:09 PM

Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.


As you are a known liar, your claims are not credible.
 
2012-08-31 01:29:33 PM

Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.


Doesn't there have to be some sort of lower victim limit for it to count as a "mass shooting"? I mean, this guy had an argument with his cow-orkers, went to his car and got guns, apparently shot the two people he wanted to kill, then killed himself before the cops even arrived.

That's a "mass shooting" only under the loosest possible definition of the word. If a guy kills his girlfriend then shoots himself at a mall, is that also a mass shooting, because there are a bunch of people around?
 
2012-08-31 01:30:42 PM

dittybopper: Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.

Doesn't there have to be some sort of lower victim limit for it to count as a "mass shooting"? I mean, this guy had an argument with his cow-orkers, went to his car and got guns, apparently shot the two people he wanted to kill, then killed himself before the cops even arrived.

That's a "mass shooting" only under the loosest possible definition of the word. If a guy kills his girlfriend then shoots himself at a mall, is that also a mass shooting, because there are a bunch of people around?


To provide fair consideration, Lorelle has exhibited symptoms of poor reading comprehension ability.
 
2012-08-31 01:31:30 PM
Can we not call it a mass shooting since only like 3 people died? Mass shootings should be like 8 or plus. Got me excited for nutting.
 
2012-08-31 01:36:32 PM
The problem with a lot of gun nuts is that they think their right to bear arms is justification to use it to solve every slight against them. They have been so ingrained with the self-defense rationale that pretty much every situation that doesn't go their way is an 'attack' that they need to 'defend' themselves against. Responsible gun owners know that the very last thing they want is to have to be in a situation where you need to make the decision to draw your weapon and pull the trigger. Gun nuts, on the other hand, are actively hoping to plant a few slugs in the next person who they perceive as a 'threat'.
 
2012-08-31 01:42:37 PM

Trivia Jockey: Can some of you gun advocates explain why you want to have guns so badly? Why you feel the need to have them?


Because I want my mother who is in her 50's and about 5' and a buck ten to have a fighting chance if somebody my size ever goes after her. I don't really give a shiat that you don't agree. I will never let your ilk get your way. And I'm not alone.
 
2012-08-31 01:42:43 PM

Dimensio: To provide fair consideration, Lorelle has exhibited symptoms of poor reading comprehension ability.


Am I the only one who has noticed that "Lorelle" is an anagram for "eel roll"? Maybe we should start calling her "Ms. Unagi".
 
2012-08-31 01:43:11 PM
Some people are taking the cancellation of Jersey Shore harder than others...
 
2012-08-31 01:46:17 PM

vpb: Crudbucket: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 495x411]

Guns mounted on the carts would have made for a pretty sweet lightning round.

If only someone had been carrying one of these, they could have taken him out.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x160]


farkin' A!
 
2012-08-31 01:46:56 PM

NutWrench: Tawnos: Also, subby, bravo on that trolltastic headline. This thread will reach infinity. It already has Gat 00 in here making an ass of himself. Wait till the rest of us west-coasters wake up for it to really take off.

Especially the "mass shooting" part. Now, I'm not an expert in mass shootings but three people dead is NOT a "mass shooting."
I'm sure we'll have several dozen posts debating where the cutoff point should be.


To be fair, the body count was only listed as "several" when this link was posted.
 
2012-08-31 01:47:38 PM

Dimensio: Your baseless ad hominem attacks are no more credible nor warranted than would be the accusation that you post to FARK as a means of distracting you from your desire to molest children.


How are they baseless? What do you do with a gun, brush your teeth? No, you own a gun to protect yourself from the scary bogey man you fear is going to get you one of these days. And you're terrified someone is going to take your little security blanket away, which is why you exert so much time and energy posting in these FARK threads.
 
2012-08-31 01:49:43 PM
Farking LOL! I love all the internet lawyers and military experts in these threads. Thanks for the laughs, guys.
 
2012-08-31 01:51:37 PM

Casey Anthony: Dimensio: Your baseless ad hominem attacks are no more credible nor warranted than would be the accusation that you post to FARK as a means of distracting you from your desire to molest children.

How are they baseless? What do you do with a gun, brush your teeth? No, you own a gun to protect yourself from the scary bogey man you fear is going to get you one of these days. And you're terrified someone is going to take your little security blanket away, which is why you exert so much time and energy posting in these FARK threads.


Your accusations are based upon unjustified assumptions which are, as I have stated, as valid as is the assumption that you are a closet pedophile.
 
2012-08-31 01:59:13 PM

Gdalescrboz: I'm still waiting for HOW exactly stricter gun laws will keep some asshole from getting a gun or even modifying his weapon, which is very simple. I want to hear the logic behind it. I cant tell you how many people I've had this conversation with while stoned. They simple cant connect the dots


Stricter laws on production could reduce the number of gun crimes.

You can't stop that with local laws about possession, because criminals can simply drive to the neighboring city or state and get what they want.

The gun manufacturers produce far more weapons than the legitimate market can handle. They know that a huge amount of their sales are destined to criminals via straw buyers.
 
2012-08-31 02:00:40 PM

jaytkay: The gun manufacturers produce far more weapons than the legitimate market can handle. They know that a huge amount of their sales are destined to criminals via straw buyers.


Please substantiate this assertion.
 
2012-08-31 02:01:12 PM
I blame Charlton Heston.

/gotta blame somebody.
 
2012-08-31 02:07:06 PM

Dimensio: As you are a known liar, your claims are not credible.


You're here already? I thought you'd still be in bed masturbating with yer gunz.
 
2012-08-31 02:07:21 PM

theknuckler_33: The problem with a lot of gun nuts is that they think their right to bear arms is justification to use it to solve every slight against them. They have been so ingrained with the self-defense rationale that pretty much every situation that doesn't go their way is an 'attack' that they need to 'defend' themselves against. Responsible gun owners know that the very last thing they want is to have to be in a situation where you need to make the decision to draw your weapon and pull the trigger. Gun nuts, on the other hand, are actively hoping to plant a few slugs in the next person who they perceive as a 'threat'.


Except there is no basis in fact for your assumption. If it were true, we'd have gun deaths far eclipsing every other source of death in the US.

According to the CDC
, in 2010, there were a total of 2,465,932 deaths in the US (page 17). Of those, only 31,513 were firearm related (p.20). that is only 1.28% of ALL deaths in the US for 2010. Those deaths include: Homicide, Suicide, Legal Intervention, and Accidental Discharge. There were more deaths from Drugs (37,792), Motor Vehicles (35,080), Septic Shock (34,843), Hypertension (33,275), Kidney Failure (44,388)... the list goes on.

The other argument is about kids finding guns in the home and accidentally shooting themselves or others. In 2010, there were only 600 accidental discharge deaths. 600. 600. While it is tragic to those closely involved, it's meaningless statistically. Even if we add in all the firearm related deaths that were of 'undetermined intent', assuming all of them were accidental discharge of someone finding a gun, that brings it to 846. Again, not statistically significant. Certainly not enough to create more inane restrictions on a legal item.

Again, Prohibition doesn't work. All it does is make criminals of otherwise law-abiding people. You would have to magically remove all guns from the face of the earth, while simultaneously removing all knowledge of how to manufacture them and ammunition to remove gun deaths. Which just won't happen. Besides, those who get an itch to kill will have other means available. Knives, baseball bats, bare hands, cars, bombs, etc. Attack the root cause, not the tool used.
 
2012-08-31 02:07:44 PM

Lorelle: Dimensio: As you are a known liar, your claims are not credible.

You're here already? I thought you'd still be in bed masturbating with yer gunz.


You are a liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 02:08:19 PM

Lorelle: Another day, another mass shooting, another "abberation" according to gun nuts.


And yet another glib, flippant, knee-jerk remark from a woman with more space than brains.

/stop thinking with your ovaries
//and stop letting your emotions cloud any reason you might otherwise be capable of
 
2012-08-31 02:10:25 PM

Dimensio: Lorelle: Dimensio: As you are a known liar, your claims are not credible.

You're here already? I thought you'd still be in bed masturbating with yer gunz.

You are a liar. Claims issued by you are not credible.


Thinking about her as "Ms. Unagi", I read that last sentence as "Clams issued by you are not edible".
 
2012-08-31 02:14:02 PM

dittybopper: Am I the only one who has noticed that "Lorelle" is an anagram for "eel roll"? Maybe we should start calling her "Ms. Unagi".


Am I the only one who has noticed that "dittybopper" is an anagram for "Be Drip Potty?"

gja: And yet another glib, flippant, knee-jerk remark from a woman with more space than brains.

/stop thinking with your ovaries
//and stop letting your emotions cloud any reason you might otherwise be capable of


My condolences on having your peener amputated.
 
2012-08-31 02:14:18 PM

tgambitg: theknuckler_33: The problem with a lot of gun nuts is that they think their right to bear arms is justification to use it to solve every slight against them. They have been so ingrained with the self-defense rationale that pretty much every situation that doesn't go their way is an 'attack' that they need to 'defend' themselves against. Responsible gun owners know that the very last thing they want is to have to be in a situation where you need to make the decision to draw your weapon and pull the trigger. Gun nuts, on the other hand, are actively hoping to plant a few slugs in the next person who they perceive as a 'threat'.

Except there is no basis in fact for your assumption. If it were true, we'd have gun deaths far eclipsing every other source of death in the US.


I was speaking of a mindset and it is absolutely true.
 
2012-08-31 02:16:27 PM

Russky: BeesNuts: GAT_00: Glorious freedom everywhere.

Hey guys, let's turn this into a gun thread! It's totally not about inadequate mental health care and support for the kids we sent to the desert to shoot at people for 15-20% of their lives! It's about access to firearms!

/I don't even disagree with your stance on gun rights... much...
//but god DAMN dude.

I thought it should be about how bat shiat nuts you people in the states are.


I'd ask you about tour country's nuttiness, but I'm sure you would use a lot of Stalin on the answer. I know that you are Lenin to the left, but Pol Pot, meet kettle.
 
2012-08-31 02:18:04 PM

theknuckler_33: tgambitg: theknuckler_33: The problem with a lot of gun nuts is that they think their right to bear arms is justification to use it to solve every slight against them. They have been so ingrained with the self-defense rationale that pretty much every situation that doesn't go their way is an 'attack' that they need to 'defend' themselves against. Responsible gun owners know that the very last thing they want is to have to be in a situation where you need to make the decision to draw your weapon and pull the trigger. Gun nuts, on the other hand, are actively hoping to plant a few slugs in the next person who they perceive as a 'threat'.

Except there is no basis in fact for your assumption. If it were true, we'd have gun deaths far eclipsing every other source of death in the US.

I was speaking of a mindset and it is absolutely true.


Can you point to a survey of people asked about their views on guns? Or a credible news source stating this? Because Billy-Bob down the road spewing nonsense is anecdotal, not data. Cold, hard, facts are all that laws should be made on, not emotion. NEVER emotion. Because emotion is fallible to the extreme, and logic flies out the window.

Just because you feel in your heart that it is true about 'gun nuts' does not make it true. Back up your claims, or tell the truth and say it is your opinion. Because it is not 'absolutely true' until you can back it up with facts.
 
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