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2012-08-31 09:27:09 AM

Snarfangel: Look, I'm just saying those "10 items or less" signs are there for a reason.

Mainly, to annoy grammar Nazis who think it should be "10 items or fewer."


My local Alberton's signs actually do say "13 items or fewer". It's really not that difficult to get it right.
 
2012-08-31 09:28:04 AM

Dimensio: BeesNuts: GAT_00: Glorious freedom everywhere.

Hey guys, let's turn this into a gun thread! It's totally not about inadequate mental health care and support for the kids we sent to the desert to shoot at people for 15-20% of their lives! It's about access to firearms!

/I don't even disagree with your stance on gun rights... much...
//but god DAMN dude.

You are addressing an individual who believes justified self-defense to be murder in all cases where an assailant dies. Do not expect rational discourse.


Especially from people who believe he condones Jerry Sandusky's actions.
 
2012-08-31 09:28:30 AM
Today I learned that, according to the press, a double-murder, suicide is both a "mass shooting" and a "shootout"
 
2012-08-31 09:28:54 AM
Going to have to get used to this. When one guy shoots up a place, he inspires a bunch of other crazies to do it.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:20 AM
doublesecretprobation: " don't worry, you'll get used to it and go back to not caring."

This.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:21 AM

This text is now purple: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

Your babbling makes me sick. Fortunately for us, both are Constitutionally protected.


Look, we already knew you were both underendowed and impotent, you don't need to keep reminding us.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:44 AM

This text is now purple: Fortunately for us, both are Constitutionally protected.


Well, we can have a debate about exactly what is Constitutionally protected. But for the sake of argument, let's assume it's ownership of any gun by any U.S. citizen...

Does that mean we should let the status quo remain, unchecked? Or maybe is it time to start disucssing an amendment that makes the Second Amendment more reasonable in light of modern society? You may recall the original one was written when a "mass shooting" would have taken over an hour because of reload time.
 
2012-08-31 09:29:57 AM

Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.


Hate to break it to you, but no amount of legislation will cure crazy. Guns are just plain outlawed in Japan for private citizens to own, but guess what? People still get shot.

It's the collective mental state of this country to get a quick fix to any problem perceived, real or imagined. Take a pill instead of seeking counseling, get liposuction instead of diet and exercise, shoot everyone instead of dealing with your inner demons. As long as guns are being made, this will continue to happen.
 
2012-08-31 09:30:00 AM

AngryDragon: Today I learned that, according to the press, a double-murder, suicide is both a "mass shooting" and a "shootout"


Well, he was carrying an AK-47.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 09:30:46 AM

marius2: I'm just curious how many the cops killed.


One too few apparently.
 
2012-08-31 09:30:49 AM

Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.


You live in Chicago. This happened in NJ. Both places seem to have a surprising lack of "NRA lobbying power and influence", based on their laws.

Also, subby, bravo on that trolltastic headline. This thread will reach infinity. It already has Gat 00 in here making an ass of himself. Wait till the rest of us west-coasters wake up for it to really take off.
 
2012-08-31 09:31:01 AM

farkityfarker: Snarfangel: Look, I'm just saying those "10 items or less" signs are there for a reason.

Mainly, to annoy grammar Nazis who think it should be "10 items or fewer."

My local Alberton's signs actually do say "13 items or fewer". It's really not that difficult to get it right.



But if you have to pay by the letter...or the sign is a little smaller than expected; some allowance it tolerated.
 
2012-08-31 09:32:38 AM
You know what this reminds me of? Video games.
 
2012-08-31 09:32:39 AM

Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.


Obviously, were New Jersey to impose more substantial restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership, this incident could have been averted.
 
2012-08-31 09:33:31 AM
Were these guys the responding officers?

www.fbastard.com
 
2012-08-31 09:33:39 AM

qsblues: Guns are just plain outlawed in Japan for private citizens to own, but guess what? People still get shot.


Yes, yes they do...in Japan, 0.07 people out of every 100,000 people are killed by guns. In the U.S., it's 10.27 out of every 100,000.

That's 146 times more gun deaths per capita.
 
2012-08-31 09:33:42 AM
Was it in another "gun free zone"?
 
2012-08-31 09:33:57 AM

Trivia Jockey: This makes me sick.


Well youre in the right place.

Amerika is a very sick country.
 
2012-08-31 09:35:17 AM
"So, it says here you are ex-military?", the human resources agent said, sweat trickling down his forehead.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:11 AM
The victims included an 18 year old woman? Wait, there were only two people shot, so obviously the reporter is trying to make this thing sound worse than it was. And, if the other victim was a man, well, we all know that men are expendable.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:12 AM

AngryDragon: Today I learned that, according to the press, a double-murder, suicide is both a "mass shooting" and a "shootout"


This reporter(s) also got word from a law enforcement source about how the whole thing played out but then a little ways after that they said it wasn't immediately clear how the window was broken.

I don't think I've ever seen three reporters for an article before.

/I usually don't look but I scrolled back up to label the reporter as a he or she but then saw 3 reporters taking credit for the article.
//Is that common?
 
2012-08-31 09:36:13 AM

Dimensio: Obviously, were New Jersey to impose more substantial restrictions upon civilian firearm ownership, this incident could have been averted.


In any given individual shooting incident, it's hard to determine if and when the shooter could have gotten the guns were the laws different. That's just a guessing game, and probably not a fruitful one.

But when you look at population statistics in various jurisdictions with differing gun laws, you CAN draw conclusions about the likelihood of gun violence to occur. In countries that don't grant citizens broad rights to own guns, they have far far less gun violence per capita. So somehow those laws are making it harder for criminals and the mentally ill to get guns. Not impossible, but harder.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:53 AM
From the article - The gunman was a former Marine

No surprise there.
 
2012-08-31 09:36:56 AM

Tawnos: Also, subby, bravo on that trolltastic headline. This thread will reach infinity. It already has Gat 00 in here making an ass of himself. Wait till the rest of us west-coasters wake up for it to really take off.


Especially the "mass shooting" part. Now, I'm not an expert in mass shootings but three people dead is NOT a "mass shooting."
I'm sure we'll have several dozen posts debating where the cutoff point should be.
 
2012-08-31 09:37:08 AM

qsblues: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

Hate to break it to you, but no amount of legislation will cure crazy. Guns are just plain outlawed in Japan for private citizens to own, but guess what? People still get shot.

It's the collective mental state of this country to get a quick fix to any problem perceived, real or imagined. Take a pill instead of seeking counseling, get liposuction instead of diet and exercise, shoot everyone instead of dealing with your inner demons. As long as guns are being made instant gratification continues to be the norm, this will continue to happen.


FTFY
 
2012-08-31 09:37:20 AM

3StratMan: Was it in another "gun free zone"?


Well, it was in New Jersey which is basically one big "gun-free zone", so yes.
 
2012-08-31 09:37:44 AM

calm like a bomb: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

It isn't going to change. That war is over, we lost, and the price we will pay for the right of self-righteous honkeys to own military grade weaponry and armor piercing bullets is that sometimes one of them will get all shooty.


Military-grade weaponry is restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Handgun ammunition capable of penetrating body armour (legally determined by composition of the bullet core) is prohibited to civilians by federal law.

Civilian disarmament advocates "lose" because they consistently demonstrate themselves fundamentally ignorant of firearms terminology and even of existing regulations when proposing new restrictions. Their ignorance results in their proposals being entirely unreasonable and irrational infringements upon liberty. An unfortunate consequence of this ignorance is that even reasonable and rational proposals are adamantly opposed by firearm ownership rights advocacy organizations due to a conditioned response from numerous previous proposals that were not reasonable.
 
2012-08-31 09:37:59 AM

farkityfarker: Snarfangel: Look, I'm just saying those "10 items or less" signs are there for a reason.

Mainly, to annoy grammar Nazis who think it should be "10 items or fewer."

My local Alberton's signs actually do say "13 items or fewer". It's really not that difficult to get it right.


Hell all our back stock carts at my store are labeled by "Isle"
 
2012-08-31 09:38:11 AM
Maybe if all the other store workers were armed, they wouldn't have gotten killed by the fellow with marine training.

/what kind of camo helps you blend in to a supermarket?
 
2012-08-31 09:38:12 AM
So if you shoot at yourself, it's considered a "shootout"?
 
2012-08-31 09:38:17 AM
It's time to send prayers to the families of those affected, express our concern about violence, and then continue to do nothing but deep throat the NRA and wank off to gun porn.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 09:38:46 AM

BeesNuts: GAT_00: Glorious freedom everywhere.

Hey guys, let's turn this into a gun thread! It's totally not about inadequate mental health care and support for the kids we sent to the desert to shoot at people for 15-20% of their lives! It's about access to firearms!
.

Well, now that you have, it's kind of idiotic to pretend that access to guns isn't a factor or that mental health care eliminates this sort of thing.

Anyone with any sense at all is going to realize that there is a problem, even if their main concern is to keep the problem from being solved because they own a gun shop or can't feel like a man without dressing up in camo and holding an assault rifle.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:09 AM
comment FTA: "What is this world coming to..." 

You mean the same world that historically has seen brutality and carnage beyond what most present day people have ever witnessed?

Yes, this is another tragic shooting - but what recent period of time was without incident? 1970's...1960's?

OH, RIGHT..the 1950's!
It had modern appliances and chores could get done so much quicker...everyone was friendly and knew your name...
 
2012-08-31 09:39:20 AM

Dimensio: Their ignorance results in their proposals being entirely unreasonable and irrational infringements upon liberty.


That's why new laws aren't going to do anything meaningful, it's going to take a new amendment. So maybe 200 years from now we can get that done.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:33 AM
www.lolwtfcomics.com

Can we...at least TRY to go a month without something like this happening?
 
2012-08-31 09:39:46 AM

3StratMan: Was it in another "gun free zone"?


The incident occurred in New Jersey, so yes.
 
2012-08-31 09:39:57 AM
I think people are missing the point. If the Marine (there's no such thing as an ex-Marine) hadn't had a gun, he would never have been able to take out the gunman. Who knows how many people would have died then?
 
2012-08-31 09:40:40 AM

ghare: This text is now purple: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

Your babbling makes me sick. Fortunately for us, both are Constitutionally protected.

Look, we already knew you were both underendowed and impotent, you don't need to keep reminding us.


And, there it is!
The gun grabber mantra - they always think of the cock first.

/They seem to like the cock.
//NTTAWWT
 
2012-08-31 09:40:48 AM
FTA - "He was armed with an AK-47 assault rifle and an automatic pistol."

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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 09:42:00 AM

Crudbucket: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 495x411]

Guns mounted on the carts would have made for a pretty sweet lightning round.


If only someone had been carrying one of these, they could have taken him out.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-31 09:43:34 AM

Trivia Jockey: Dimensio: Their ignorance results in their proposals being entirely unreasonable and irrational infringements upon liberty.

That's why new laws aren't going to do anything meaningful, it's going to take a new amendment. So maybe 200 years from now we can get that done.


How would "a new amendment" address the problem of civilian disarmament advocates being demonstrably ignorant of firearms technology (thus proposing bans on all hunting ammunition, upon a class of firearms rarely used to commit murder and upon a class of firearms that does not and likely will never exist) and ignorant of existing regulations (thus proposing prohibiting civilian ownership of fully automatic firearms)?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-31 09:44:17 AM

ManateeGag: Cleanup, and 5, 6 7 and 12

Crudbucket: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 495x411]

Guns mounted on the carts would have made for a pretty sweet lightning round.

if it wasn't for that commie, Obama, the shoppers would have been able to defend themselves.


That's true. If that 18 year old girl had been carrying she could have taken down the trained Marine before he could kill anyone.
 
2012-08-31 09:45:06 AM

Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.


You need to loosen up if 2 people who you don't have even the slightest connection to are shot in a place nowhere near you in an event that has absolutely no bearing on your life or anyone you know makes you sick.

I'm fairly sure far worse attrocities have been committed throughout the world in the time it took me to type this.
 
2012-08-31 09:46:17 AM
Has anyone pointed out that it's only two people plus the gunman who are dead, and that's only three people and therefore this isn't a big deal and isn't tragic and isn't yet another symptom of America's psychotic gun fetish?

Has that been said?
 
2012-08-31 09:46:45 AM

Dimensio: calm like a bomb: Trivia Jockey: It's going to take dozens and dozens more of these shootings before anyone has the balls to start challenging the NRA's lobbying power and influence.

This makes me sick. As does each shooting.

It isn't going to change. That war is over, we lost, and the price we will pay for the right of self-righteous honkeys to own military grade weaponry and armor piercing bullets is that sometimes one of them will get all shooty.

Military-grade weaponry is restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934. Handgun ammunition capable of penetrating body armour (legally determined by composition of the bullet core) is prohibited to civilians by federal law..


I can buy an AR-15 from a dozen places right now. I can find AK-47s by the crateload. I can legally buy a .50 cal sniper rifle. And for the former two, provided they are not labeled as such, I can buy bullets that will pierce armor. Those laws are written on tissue paper.
 
2012-08-31 09:47:16 AM
I know that Fark isn't the news, but greenlighting this headline as a "mass shooting" plays into the sensationalist media that Drew's book railed against. This is the "summer of the shark" all over again.
 
2012-08-31 09:47:59 AM
You get all these former military men going crazy because:
1. They don't evaluate nor treat them adequately
2. They are trained to think that a gun will resolve a dispute
3. Even if you are by some miracle evaluated and declared mentally unstable you are still allowed to keep your guns
 
2012-08-31 09:48:24 AM
Mass shooting equals two now? Please. Over hype much shall we?
 
2012-08-31 09:49:19 AM
marius2: I'm just curious how many the cops killed.

You hoping for a big body count?
 
2012-08-31 09:49:22 AM
254.4 million registered vehicles in the US
~10,000 deaths per year caused by drunk drivers

270 million guns in the US
~11,500 murders per year through use of firearm


So, roughly the same amount/percentage of death is caused by each when they're used irresponsibly. While this is not advocating that any murder is ok, it does put in perspective that hundreds of millions of people responsibly use their firearms per year, but the crazies get the news.
 
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